Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
thomas malloy wrote: grok wrote: Your posts show that you think that everything has an economic basis, Grok. This is a result of the aforementioned cool aide which was served to you, during your education, by the Oligarchy, which you willingly drank. Most likely paid for (willingly) by your parents. You're the one who's been to Jonestown, Malloy. That was a CHURCH, I believe. That's a cheap shot, Grok. To paraphrase the late science fiction author L Ron Hubbard. I'm sick of writing S F and getting paid by the word for my efforts. I'm going to start a church. Scientology is the result. We have previously discussed The Occultic Origins of America's Space Program. Since you missed it, I will synopsize. The man who founded General Dynamics was Jack Parsons. Jack was a student of Alister Crowley and a practitioner of magik. Two of his best pals were L Ron Hubbard and Robert Heinlein. Do an Internet Search, the story is well worth reading. BTW, if you want to talk about a religion, consider Leftism. The works of the academic Saul Alinsky, author of Rules for Radicals I've got the book somewhere here. Never read it. My tastes lean more towards Marx, Lenin and Trotsky -- the Unholy Troika from the Pits of Hell themselves. That figures. FYI, they were mere pawns. Although Lenin clearly understood things. To paraphrase, there are two types of people who support us, those who know who god really is, and useful idiots. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
The final count of people looking for tritium output to find the Claytor paper is ~1014. Most appear to be from the U.S. and Canada. Someone may have circulated the URL directly, instead of the search term, because another ~200 were downloaded, which is higher than normal for this paper. - Jed
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In reply to grok's message of Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:46:00 -0700: Hi, [snip] Implications, eh? Like the implications of how why this stuff is getting from wherever it comes from -- and down everybody's pie-hole, like fatted geese being force-fed with a funnel..? [snip] It's more subtle than that. A better analogy would be geese that fight to get at the food. ;) BTW please remove the reply to from your email client. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Implications, eh? Like the implications of how why this stuff is getting from wherever it comes from -- and down everybody's pie-hole, like fatted geese being force-fed with a funnel..? [snip] It's more subtle than that. A better analogy would be geese that fight to get at the food. ;) No, it's not like that at all. We're being force-fed consumerism. Or we were, at any rate. BTW please remove the reply to from your email client. I've never had that request before. Ever. - -- grok. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * BOYCOTT BOURGEOIS MASS-MEDIA: * McNews: UNfair UNbalanced * * Get mediaworx for your group/Internet/pirate tv/radio station! * Critical endorsement only Most sites need donations *** * http://www.socialist-tv.com Socialist-TV * * http://lasoundposse.org L.A. Sound Posse * * http://wintersoldierfilm.com Winter Soldier - The Film * * http://www.toddpnyc.com/bloqueo Bloqueo: Looking at Cuba Embargo * * http://www.theworld.org The World (internet radio) * * http://www.conceptionmedia.net ConceptionMedia * * http://www.walmartmovie.com WAL-MART: The High Cost of Low Price * ** Capitalism lives on borrowed time: the ultimate carry trade ** GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm1nQMACgkQXo3EtEYbt3F82gCg0F88Kb4toBexWVoDzxVSEwf8 2s4AoPMwMm2WUc0VZJLxYruYqR4loqRr =SQcA -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
John Berry wrote: I consider most everyone on this earth to be severely deluded, what's your point? Seriously, that's impossible. Our species would not survive. That's a little like saying everyone is above average. It is possible that many people are deluded (or at least wrong) about subjects we are not evolved to deal with. This would be similar to the fact that many people are obese because they they can get far more sugary food than was available to our ancestors. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
I didn't say fatally deluded though. But I do believe that a huge amount of what most people believe is wrong. Death/Extinction is not the natural consequence of delusion either. Although I would state that the vast majority of people today hasten their deaths by 2 delusions. Firstly trusting conventional medicine instead of taking responsibility for their own health and education on the matter. Secondly by assuming that little can be done to slow, stop or reverse aging and treating death as inevitable. I'd note that it's been claimed that about 20% of the US can't find the US on a map of the earth and that the same % believes that the sun circles the earth. I'd also note that more scarily 90% of US Americans such as those when the Iraq attacked the WTC and other places such as supported Bush, now if that's not mass delusion... Oh, and it strikes me as just vaguely possible that someone reading this won't have seen Miss Carolina so if you are wondering about my sobriety right now check out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: John Berry wrote: I consider most everyone on this earth to be severely deluded, what's your point? Seriously, that's impossible. Our species would not survive. That's a little like saying everyone is above average. It is possible that many people are deluded (or at least wrong) about subjects we are not evolved to deal with. This would be similar to the fact that many people are obese because they they can get far more sugary food than was available to our ancestors. - Jed
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In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:27:36 -0400: Hi, [snip] This would be similar to the fact that many people are obese because they they can get far more sugary food than was available to our ancestors. [snip] I think the primary reason for the obesity epidemic is trans fats in margarine (sold as healthy), and deep fried foods (French fries). Trans fats disrupt the functioning of the mitochondria in our cells, thus preventing the processing of fats, which then get stored instead of being burnt. This is the reason that the obesity epidemic is following the introduction of Western diets (McDonalds?) around the World. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: This would be similar to the fact that many people are obese because they they can get far more sugary food than was available to our ancestors. [snip] I think the primary reason for the obesity epidemic is trans fats in margarine (sold as healthy), and deep fried foods (French fries). Trans fats disrupt the functioning of the mitochondria in our cells, thus preventing the processing of fats, which then get stored instead of being burnt. This is the reason that the obesity epidemic is following the introduction of Western diets (McDonalds?) around the World. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk This is the same logic as blaming guns for killing people. Look further up the logic chain. - -- grokj.. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM FIGHTBACK! *** * In advance of the Revolution: * Get facts get organized * * Fight the Man! * thru these sites movements * * http://www.obrerosdezanon.org Zanon Factory Workers (Argentina) * * http://www.owcinfo.org ILC Open World Conference of Workers * * http://www.goodjobsfirst.org Good Jobs First * * http://www.corp-research.org The Corporate Research Project * * http://www.viacampesina.org/art_english.php3?id_article=500 * * Via Campesina Grassroots Tsunami relief * * http://www.etan.org/aceh East Timor Action Network - Aceh Relief * NEW-WORLD-ORDER-SPEAK: Law Order == Police State GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm0NEcACgkQXo3EtEYbt3EZxACeN/jCWhq6dSS0dtUoeJw9hFIZ Ug0AoKVIYi7NMhf70Z2QBprylvfj6IIm =O5Co -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
In reply to grok's message of Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:10:31 -0700: Hi, [snip] This is the same logic as blaming guns for killing people. Look further up the logic chain. [snip] I gave the direct reason, and the implications are obvious to anyone with a brain. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: This is the same logic as blaming guns for killing people. Look further up the logic chain. I gave the direct reason, and the implications are obvious to anyone with a brain. Implications, eh? Like the implications of how why this stuff is getting from wherever it comes from -- and down everybody's pie-hole, like fatted geese being force-fed with a funnel..? - -- grok. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * BOYCOTT BOURGEOIS MASS-MEDIA: * McNews: UNfair UNbalanced * * Get mediaworx for your group/Internet/pirate tv/radio station! * Critical endorsement only Most sites need donations *** * http://www.indymedia.org/video/imc.ram IndyMedia Video Channel * * http://www.freespeech.org Free Speech TV * * http://www.papertiger.org/index.php?name=homepage Paper Tiger TV * * http://www.lrna.org/3-ptr/ptr.htmlPeople's Tribune Radio * * http://www.blackcommentator.com/radio_bc Black Commentator Radio * * http://www.taylor-report.com Taylor Report [CIUT Monday 17h00 ET]* * http://www.thisishell.netThis is Hell [WNUR Saturday 9h00 CT]* * HEY, KIDS!: JUST SAY *NO* TO THE DRAFT! * GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm0PJgACgkQXo3EtEYbt3HGDACgs4bhzOtJ3gJ+ePTAuqkGNVkQ OtoAnAv4WEANwRXzKws7kKHyrOv8WJaK =HCOT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
grok, the reason is that either out of malice or disregard there are businesses (people) who are happy to hurt people, make them sick and kill them for a profit. I can't decide which is their main objective the money or the destruction but both occurs. Cancer is one example of something that is extremely curable but they would rather see people die. And most people are deluded enough to trust those in authority, they trust that they are honest and knowledgeable. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:46 AM, grok g...@resist.ca wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: This is the same logic as blaming guns for killing people. Look further up the logic chain. I gave the direct reason, and the implications are obvious to anyone with a brain. Implications, eh? Like the implications of how why this stuff is getting from wherever it comes from -- and down everybody's pie-hole, like fatted geese being force-fed with a funnel..? - -- grok. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * BOYCOTT BOURGEOIS MASS-MEDIA: * McNews: UNfair UNbalanced * * Get mediaworx for your group/Internet/pirate tv/radio station! * Critical endorsement only Most sites need donations *** * http://www.indymedia.org/video/imc.ram IndyMedia Video Channel * * http://www.freespeech.org Free Speech TV * * http://www.papertiger.org/index.php?name=homepage Paper Tiger TV * * http://www.lrna.org/3-ptr/ptr.htmlPeople's Tribune Radio * * http://www.blackcommentator.com/radio_bc Black Commentator Radio * * http://www.taylor-report.com Taylor Report [CIUT Monday 17h00 ET]* * http://www.thisishell.netThis is Hell [WNUR Saturday 9h00 CT]* * HEY, KIDS!: JUST SAY *NO* TO THE DRAFT! * GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm0PJgACgkQXo3EtEYbt3HGDACgs4bhzOtJ3gJ+ePTAuqkGNVkQ OtoAnAv4WEANwRXzKws7kKHyrOv8WJaK =HCOT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: grok, the reason is that either out of malice or disregard there are businesses (people) who are happy to hurt people, make them sick and kill them for a profit. I can't decide which is their main objective the money or the destruction but both occurs. Oh, it's all about the money, believe me. They don't care enuff about us to be doing it out of malice. Cancer is one example of something that is extremely curable but they would rather see people die. And most people are deluded enough to trust those in authority, they trust that they are honest and knowledgeable. Ain't that a fact. However, many of us do not accept this (bogus) authority. However as well: they'll make you pay for that disrespect, like the true mafiosi they are. - -- grok. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * Support these progressive artists: Buy their products; Book `em! * * www.steveearle.com Steve Earle - The Revolution Starts...Now * * http://members.aol.com/drovics/home.htm David Rovics * * http://www.jamesmcmurtry.com James McMurtry on the Web * * http://worldaccordion.tripod.comThe Squeezebox from Hell * * http://www.damiendempsey.com Damien Dempsey * * http://www.billybragg.co.uk Billy Bragg * * http://www.folkthis.org Folk This! * * http://royzimmerman.com Roy Zimmerman: funny political songs * *** It's not our government. It's their government. *** GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm0QDIACgkQXo3EtEYbt3He6QCbBItVHB7TpfvQLs4qui1mqz6m 7e0AoNK81wiwVA1tIobEVfT/yfTYsV1U =88NW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Implications, eh? Like the implications of how why this stuff is getting from wherever it comes from -- and down everybody's pie-hole, like fatted geese being force-fed with a funnel..? Dah, they pay good money for it because they have a fat tooth! This is lowest-common-denominator stuff you're glossing over here. If people lived better (define 'living better') -- they'd eat better. And exercise. Etc. Fact is, capitalist society is just plain rotten at its core. Even if you have money. It does not bring out the best in people - -- despite much propaganda to the contrary. - -- grok. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * Boycott the Bourgeois Economy: BUY PROGRESSIVE * ** Critical endorsement only * Gift-giving Year-round ** * http://gxonlinestore.orgGlobal Exchange online store * * http://gxonlinestore.org/strongroots.html MST BrasÃl online store* * http://takingaim.info/vp.html Taking Aim books CDs * * https://www.peacecoffee.comPeace Coffee (fair trade) * * http://thenewpress.com The New Press * * http://www.chickenhawkcards.com Deck of Republican Chickenhawks * * http://www.deckofbush.com Deck of Bush * * http://www.nationbooks.org Nation Books * *** Where the barricades end -- real democracy begins GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm0gNkACgkQXo3EtEYbt3H8NQCeLvz6AgXRRlVmIoyznSwJb2iI y00AoLkeccnk62MyC3+SB8r/HN5RhA0P =R7ab -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:33:22 -0800 (PST): Hi, [snip] 1 million signs would contain a maximum of 2.58 mg of T, which would yield a *boosted* power of about 10 tonnes of TNT. Perhaps more to the point, the number of signs required to construct any self respecting nuclear weapon would have to be in the billions, and I doubt that so many signs have ever even been made. Not precisely a hydrogen bombe awkshully ... Some Ruskie probably informed them, chief inspector, that in the unusual circumstance where the weapon was not intended to be a deterent ... ... but instead was an offensive weapon to be used the day it was assembled, possibly within a few hours of assembly, one could probably get by with a lot less (and/or poorer enrichement) of fissile via the clever implementation of certain type of booster http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/307/0/ Sorry, no more details will be available on this topic Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
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-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com 1 million signs would contain a maximum of 2.58 mg of T, which would yield a *boosted* power of about 10 tonnes of TNT. Robin, [JB:] Despite the name boosting -- the extra yield is of almost no importance to the real aim. The value of boosting is almost solely to be able to use reactor grade material See page 26/4 http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0401110. One or two grams would be needed for effective boosting ... and the no exit thing was a bit of Sartre-castically misplaced humor...
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:15:10 -0800: Hi Jones, [snip] The value of boosting is almost solely to be able to use reactor grade material One still needs to initiate the fusion reaction, which implies a critical mass of fissile material. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
I consider most everyone on this earth to be severely deluded, what's your point? On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 3:19 PM, grok g...@resist.ca wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Grok sez: As the smoke cleared, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Ever since Iran reportedly accumulated enough fissile material for a Bombe (please use the Peter Seller's pronunciation here) there has been a gigantic theft of tritium - from all over the world ... and get this: most of it is from signage. And therefor would have gone unnoticed till it reached epodemic proportions. The thing about Tritium is not only its relatively short half- life -- @12,3 years -- but from what I remember: its relatively weak radioactivity doesn't tend to penetrate even any glass container holding the stuff. And so in fact, hydrogen bombs have to be regularly replenished with fresh isotope -- otherwise, the nukes' 'past due' shelf-life date is passed: and they in effect become duds. And so there is a regular commerce with the stuff... military or otherwise. And so given all that, it's been my own pet theory for quite some years that various government agencies and militaries -- guess who? -- have in fact been systematically siphoning-off a certain percentage of the output, and using it for purposes such as poisoning the coffee/drinks/whatever of targeted individuals with e.g. tritium water -- which would be easy to transport and deploy - -- and which would be easily flushed out of people's systems long before any galloping cancer, etc., showed up... And how paranoiac can that thought be, given these disclosures..? [Too bad some people won't get this email ;P ] - -- grok. Not everyone has given up on you. Hey, let's get it clear here that I consider many of the people on this eList to be almost terminally-deluded, politically-wise. But they will soon enuff find this out. The hard way, apparently. This is actually an interesting premise. Hope it gets discussed more thoroughly here. Makes awful sense, doesn't it? And don't anyone think it isn't being done, if it makes sense. :/ I do note that radioactive substances have certainly been more crudely used against opponents -- notoriously in Russia, for instance, during the rise of the oligarchy/mafia, when much soviet military materiel fell into the hands of these gangsters. Let me note too that at the time, there was fevered speculation that russian mafiosos had sold the iranis at least least 1 nuke. (Where's all that gob-shite speculation today, I wonder..? ;) - -- grok. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * Boycott Bourgeois Mass-Media * Political Comix Cartoons * ** for Enlightenment Enjoyment * * Critical endorsement only Most sites need donations * * http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks The Boondocks * * http://www.rall.com Ted Rall Comics * * http://harpers.org/Cartoon.html The Cartoons of Mr. Fish * * http://www.buzzflash.com/peyser Tony Peyser Poems Cartoons * *** DEATH TO NEOLIBERALISM *** GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmx2c8ACgkQXo3EtEYbt3EddgCfaCnJqHbJLBMzRssC6QHS5BXI absAnjH7rnXJ1GQkqYvedJeg/0X/NPFo =Ukcj -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
This morning at 6:58 someone did a search for tritium output with the msm search tool. The first thing found is: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ClaytorTNtritiumprob.pdf This person told someone else, who used the same search tool and search terms at 7:06. At 7:20 someone tried Google and got the same file at the top of the list. By 8:00 16 other people tried it. As of 2:30, 588 people have done this. Several other search tools have been used. These people do not seem to be reading many other papers -- only this one. It often happens that someone puts a link in a blog to a LENR-CANR paper. In that case, I can trace it back to the blogger, and I can see what he or she said about the paper. In this case I cannot tell, but it must be a positive comment or you would not see so many people following up. Blogs seldom generate this many visits. - Jed
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Conspiracy Alert :-) You heard it first on Vo: But first, can you tell us, Jed, if any of the hits are from overseas, the Mid-East, TCI ? Ever since Iran reportedly accumulated enough fissile material for a Bombe (please use the Peter Seller's pronunciation here) there has been a gigantic theft of tritium - from all over the world ... and get this: most of it is from signage. And therefor would have gone unnoticed till it reached epodemic proportions. It all started long before the Wal-Mart admission - and the Canadian export of 77,000 tritiated signs to Iran. Of course, these signs contain only miniscule amounts of tritium per sign, but since the NRC put out the word: http://www.al.com/business/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/business/123487651449910.xmlcoll=1 ... conspiracy theorists have had a field day - and now claim that these reports are only the tip of a gigantic iceberg, and nearly one million tritium glow-in-the-dark devices of all kinds have gone missing of late ... ... making Jean Paul Sarte into somewhat more of a modern day prophet than he already was ... Huis Clos. Signed, Huey Claus From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 11:41:52 AM Subject: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today This morning at 6:58 someone did a search for tritium output with the msm search tool. The first thing found is: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ClaytorTNtritiumprob.pdf This person told someone else, who used the same search tool and search terms at 7:06. At 7:20 someone tried Google and got the same file at the top of the list. By 8:00 16 other people tried it. As of 2:30, 588 people have done this. Several other search tools have been used. These people do not seem to be reading many other papers -- only this one. It often happens that someone puts a link in a blog to a LENR-CANR paper. In that case, I can trace it back to the blogger, and I can see what he or she said about the paper. In this case I cannot tell, but it must be a positive comment or you would not see so many people following up. Blogs seldom generate this many visits. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
Jones Beene wrote: You heard it first on Vo: But first, can you tell us, Jed, if any of the hits are from overseas, the Mid-East, TCI ? Reply hazy; Ask again later. (To quote the Magic 8 Ball). What I mean is, I can tell more easily tomorrow when the program does a breakdown by country for the entire daily dataset. I checked a dozen or so of these downloads and they appear to be coming from the US and Canada. Generally speaking, Middle Eastern countries are far down the list of visitors. I have not seen any spike in them lately. They are well below places such as Mexico and Indonesia. Iran and Israel are the highest middle eastern countries by a wide margin, with 500 to 800 visits per year, and ~1,800 MB each. Compare this to South Korea with ~2000 visits 2,700 MB, or Romania ~960 visits 1,800 MB. You could probably map out the number of active physics researchers in the world from my database. You will find that Peru contributes more to science than the United Arab Emirates, and Finland contributes more than all Middle Eastern countries combined (except Israel). I read somewhere that excluding the production of oil, the combined GDP of all Middle Eastern nations (excluding Israel) is smaller than Finland's. Or was it Sweden? Anyway, the point is that these places are intellectually asleep. It is tragic. Israel, as everyone knows, is at the cutting edge of cold fusion research, with perhaps the best recorded results, at Energetics Technologies. At the moment, 10 people there are contributing more than the whole of Japan or the U.S. at the moment. This could result in Israel having more concentrated wealth and power in 30 years than England had in 1900. Quiet experiments with test tubes can have monumental effects in the modern world. They can yield more political and economic power than a mighty fleet of ships, or an army of a million soldiers. That is something few people even now appreciate. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
As of 18:00 the Claytor count stands at 823. 56 in the last hour. The reaction is decaying, you might say. I wish it would ramp up exponentially. I assume this has not happened because every group that has discovered LENR-CANR in this fashion (or a single paper in the collection) has had a limited set of members and no strong method of communicating with a larger universe of members. In other words, there is some group of people out there discussing this, and recommending that people search for tritium input. Evidently, this group has roughly 800 members who are interested in cold fusion. Some others may come along this evening and tomorrow but I expect the totals will soon fall to zero -- or to background levels, perhaps with new members reading the archives from time to time. There are various ways of communicating with a larger universe of Internet readers, such as StumbleUpon, Digg and Fark. They reach a far bigger audience than most discussion groups. Wikipedia is another method. LENR-CANR and New Energy Times have been censored out of Wikipedia by anti-cold fusion fanatics. But the links there did not generate all that much traffic anyway, so this is no big deal. Anyone seriously interested in the topic will find us. I would just as soon not be found by someone who begins and ends a search at Wikipedia. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Ever since Iran reportedly accumulated enough fissile material for a Bombe (please use the Peter Seller's pronunciation here) there has been a gigantic theft of tritium - from all over the world ... and get this: most of it is from signage. And therefor would have gone unnoticed till it reached epodemic proportions. The thing about Tritium is not only its relatively short half- life -- @12,3 years -- but from what I remember: its relatively weak radioactivity doesn't tend to penetrate even any glass container holding the stuff. And so in fact, hydrogen bombs have to be regularly replenished with fresh isotope -- otherwise, the nukes' 'past due' shelf-life date is passed: and they in effect become duds. And so there is a regular commerce with the stuff... military or otherwise. And so given all that, it's been my own pet theory for quite some years that various government agencies and militaries -- guess who? -- have in fact been systematically siphoning-off a certain percentage of the output, and using it for purposes such as poisoning the coffee/drinks/whatever of targeted individuals with e.g. tritium water -- which would be easy to transport and deploy - -- and which would be easily flushed out of people's systems long before any galloping cancer, etc., showed up... And how paranoiac can that thought be, given these disclosures..? [Too bad some people won't get this email ;P ] - -- grok. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * Boycott the Bourgeois Economy: BUY PROGRESSIVE * ** Critical endorsement only * Gift-giving Year-round ** * Palestine Children*s Welfare Fund Gift Shop Bookstore:* * http://www.paypalestine.com * * Cafe Justicia: Fair Trade Guatemalan coffee -- direct: * * http://ccda.galeon.com/cafe_comp_ing.htm* * Ten Thousand Villages: Fair Trade virtual marketplace: * * http://tenthousandvillages.com * * No Sweat Apparel: Sweatshop-free union-made clothing: * * http://www.nosweatapparel.com * The streets are where the subjective meets the objective GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmxuccACgkQXo3EtEYbt3HY4QCgllnV4az5oe3yfm4otVyx7B/d 82gAoPLtHcyBgWE97X2hwJLuM/DByHAi =xz/q -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
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That Iran would be building a hydrogen bombe is almost funny. Go back and look at how effective the Pakistan test was. Even Pak likely has no method of delivery of their 4 ton monstrosity. An effective fission bombe will require almost two orders of magnitude extra enrichment by Iran. Multiple tests will be required to get that one right. But they have no real need for a fusion bombe. A nasty fission bombe like Pakistan's would be much more effective in Israel if Iran could deliver it. But, the gradual depletion of their scientific IP by effective culling makes this threat even less likely. Humint penetration of Iran is easier than Iraq. Terry
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- Original Message From: Terry Blanton That Iran would be building a hydrogen bombe is almost funny. Not precisely a hydrogen bombe awkshully ... Some Ruskie probably informed them, chief inspector, that in the unusual circumstance where the weapon was not intended to be a deterent ... ... but instead was an offensive weapon to be used the day it was assembled, possibly within a few hours of assembly, one could probably get by with a lot less (and/or poorer enrichement) of fissile via the clever implementation of certain type of booster http://ncr-iran.org/content/view/307/0/ Sorry, no more details will be available on this topic
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Grok sez: As the smoke cleared, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Ever since Iran reportedly accumulated enough fissile material for a Bombe (please use the Peter Seller's pronunciation here) there has been a gigantic theft of tritium - from all over the world ... and get this: most of it is from signage. And therefor would have gone unnoticed till it reached epodemic proportions. The thing about Tritium is not only its relatively short half- life -- @12,3 years -- but from what I remember: its relatively weak radioactivity doesn't tend to penetrate even any glass container holding the stuff. And so in fact, hydrogen bombs have to be regularly replenished with fresh isotope -- otherwise, the nukes' 'past due' shelf-life date is passed: and they in effect become duds. And so there is a regular commerce with the stuff... military or otherwise. And so given all that, it's been my own pet theory for quite some years that various government agencies and militaries -- guess who? -- have in fact been systematically siphoning-off a certain percentage of the output, and using it for purposes such as poisoning the coffee/drinks/whatever of targeted individuals with e.g. tritium water -- which would be easy to transport and deploy - -- and which would be easily flushed out of people's systems long before any galloping cancer, etc., showed up... And how paranoiac can that thought be, given these disclosures..? [Too bad some people won't get this email ;P ] - -- grok. Not everyone has given up on you. This is actually an interesting premise. Hope it gets discussed more thoroughly here. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:\ Sorry, no more details will be available on this topic Yes, we should remain neutral on this one. ;-) Terry
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Grok sez: As the smoke cleared, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Ever since Iran reportedly accumulated enough fissile material for a Bombe (please use the Peter Seller's pronunciation here) there has been a gigantic theft of tritium - from all over the world ... and get this: most of it is from signage. And therefor would have gone unnoticed till it reached epodemic proportions. The thing about Tritium is not only its relatively short half- life -- @12,3 years -- but from what I remember: its relatively weak radioactivity doesn't tend to penetrate even any glass container holding the stuff. And so in fact, hydrogen bombs have to be regularly replenished with fresh isotope -- otherwise, the nukes' 'past due' shelf-life date is passed: and they in effect become duds. And so there is a regular commerce with the stuff... military or otherwise. And so given all that, it's been my own pet theory for quite some years that various government agencies and militaries -- guess who? -- have in fact been systematically siphoning-off a certain percentage of the output, and using it for purposes such as poisoning the coffee/drinks/whatever of targeted individuals with e.g. tritium water -- which would be easy to transport and deploy - -- and which would be easily flushed out of people's systems long before any galloping cancer, etc., showed up... And how paranoiac can that thought be, given these disclosures..? [Too bad some people won't get this email ;P ] - -- grok. Not everyone has given up on you. Hey, let's get it clear here that I consider many of the people on this eList to be almost terminally-deluded, politically-wise. But they will soon enuff find this out. The hard way, apparently. This is actually an interesting premise. Hope it gets discussed more thoroughly here. Makes awful sense, doesn't it? And don't anyone think it isn't being done, if it makes sense. :/ I do note that radioactive substances have certainly been more crudely used against opponents -- notoriously in Russia, for instance, during the rise of the oligarchy/mafia, when much soviet military materiel fell into the hands of these gangsters. Let me note too that at the time, there was fevered speculation that russian mafiosos had sold the iranis at least least 1 nuke. (Where's all that gob-shite speculation today, I wonder..? ;) - -- grok. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * Boycott Bourgeois Mass-Media * Political Comix Cartoons * ** for Enlightenment Enjoyment * * Critical endorsement only Most sites need donations * * http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks The Boondocks * * http://www.rall.com Ted Rall Comics * * http://harpers.org/Cartoon.html The Cartoons of Mr. Fish * * http://www.buzzflash.com/peyser Tony Peyser Poems Cartoons * *** DEATH TO NEOLIBERALISM *** GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmx2c8ACgkQXo3EtEYbt3EddgCfaCnJqHbJLBMzRssC6QHS5BXI absAnjH7rnXJ1GQkqYvedJeg/0X/NPFo =Ukcj -END PGP SIGNATURE-
