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Don't hold your breath . Broenink February 5th, 2013 at 12:17 PM Daar Mr. Rossi, With the verification of your technology being imminent can you please tell us who financed the independent research and the report which will be published shorty? Andrea Rossi February 5th, 2013 at 1:19 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=785cpage=1#comment-613009 Dear Broenink: The third party indipendent validation tests have been funded directly by some of the Universities ( not Italian) which are making the tests. All the expenses for instrumentation, men hours, hotel, restaurants, taxi etc have been paid indipendently by the Entities who are making the indipendent validation. This is the reason why 1- the report will be published indipendently from the results 2- we cannot know anything of the date of the publication 3- we do not know where the publication will be made 4- we do not know exactly when the tests, that are still in the making, will be finished. Lately I have been informed that more tests will be made to be sure of the results, repeating again the tests. 5- we can assist to the tests, but we cannot make any operation during the tests. 6- the reason for which all these scientists are making these tests and for which their Universities are paying the expenses is merely scientific Thank you for your questions, Warm Regards, A.R. Andrea Rossi February 4th, 2013 at 5:42 PM Dear Giuseppe: Thank you for this question. We are working with the Hot Cat ( the E-Cat at high temperature) since May 2012. The improvements have been remarkable, because we passed from a conceptual prototype to industrial plants that are in construction. The third party tests in course are made on a module of the Hot Cat for industrial applications. We are at the level of safety certification too. As for the theoretical issues, strong improvement has been done too. Personally, I think we have understood very well the phenomenon’s sources and this has improved the technology. Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Third-Party Paper : Good News / Bad News
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 11:43:10 AM Don't hold your breath . Andrea Rossi February 5th, 2013 at 2:42 PM Dear Koen Vandewalle: The scientists are still working and I have no idea of what they are thinking. I do not think we will know what they know and what they think before the publication of the report. About what we are doing: I do not know if it is big or not. All I know is that we are working very hard to deliver the industrial plant we have to put in operation as scheduled. In Great Britain they say: my garden is smaller that England, but bigger than a stamp. Warm Regards, A.R.
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Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: In Great Britain they say: my garden is smaller that England, but bigger than a stamp. OOOkay. Does anyone want to hazard a guess as to what that might mean? In Japan they say fools and caterpillars like to climb up things. I just learned that yesterday. Not sure what that means either, but it's funny. - Jed
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Hi, On 5-2-2013 23:49, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com mailto:a...@well.com wrote: In Great Britain they say: my garden is smaller that England, but bigger than a stamp. OOOkay. Does anyone want to hazard a guess as to what that might mean? Found a similar quote on this page (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Asterix-in-Britain): Trivia * In French, Obelix remarks on the tweed worn by Asterix's Briton cousin, asking, Is it expensive? (c'est cher?); the Briton replies, My tailor is rich (mon tailleur est riche) --- an allusion to basic lessons in English, available in many European states. It has been said that My tailor is rich was the very first spoken phrase said in the first Assimil http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Assimil English without Pain (Anglais sans Peine) English learning vinyl record volume released circa 1960 http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/1960. * Later there's another gag with the same basic premise in reverse: when Asterix remarks that his cousin's boat is small, Anticlimax replies obscurely, It's smaller than the garden of my uncle, but larger than the pen of my aunt, a phrase used in English texts of the period when teaching French. It seems, that Andrea is actually saying something like: I really have no clue what those scientists who are performing the tests are thinking, so I can't comment on it at all. Kind regards, Rob
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http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/rossi-peer-review-by-high-level-magazine-to-take-all-of-february/ Popsci?
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That's not peer reviewed. But there's in general not a fixed period for peer review. The communication between referees and authors can take anything from immediate acceptance until years. 2013/1/20 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/rossi-peer-review-by-high-level-magazine-to-take-all-of-february/ Popsci? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Rossi said it is a magazine but he might mean a journal. Magazines are not usually peer-reviewed. Rossi's English is good but he sometimes mixes up words like magazine and journal. - Jed
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That`s because in Italian, or in most latin languages, the words are the same. 2013/1/20 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Rossi said it is a magazine but he might mean a journal. Magazines are not usually peer-reviewed. Rossi's English is good but he sometimes mixes up words like magazine and journal. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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It was humor. sigh
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Unless it's another hot air balloon launch to earn time and keep its supporters happy... Who knows? 2013/1/18 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com I have my fingers crossed. Dave, don't hold them too long otherwise you're going to have them blocked forever Cheers
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I forgot to mention that I accidentally used super glue to hold them in place! My opinion of Rossi is going to be very much determined by when this report comes out and what it says. If it is delayed forever in a similar fashion to what has been typical of the past, I will start to believe MY a bit more. Someone needs to actually openly build or sell some type of LENR device to keep me actively interested in the field. The MFMP guys are great and I have faith that they will come up with the proof that should start the revolution. So far the MFMP results are not quite substantiated, according to my analysis, but are getting close and will require further detailed calibration. Unfortunately, I am only expecting their device to put out excess power of approximately 1 watt when it is working properly. This was estimated by assuming Rossi's results are accurate and that both achieve similar surface area power densities. The best that I can do for now is to keep supporting the overall efforts with my analytical skills. One day I hope to see all my effort pay off. We all need some good Karma. Dave -Original Message- From: Susanna Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:09 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Third-Party Paper : Good News / Bad News Unless it's another hot air balloon launch to earn time and keep its supporters happy... Who knows? 2013/1/18 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com I have my fingers crossed. Dave, don't hold them too long otherwise you're going to have them blocked forever Cheers
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Susanna Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Unless it's another hot air balloon launch to earn time and keep its supporters happy... Who knows? Earn time from who, for what? The Patent Office does not care how long he takes. If his bank account is falling, he will not make it last longer by making exaggerated claims. No other clock is running Rossi has done nothing to keep his supporters happy. On the contrary, he has infuriated most of his financial supporters, and reporters, and members of the public. He has refused to do a demo. He has cancelled contracts with the university and others, and picked fights with NASA and others. I do not know what makes him tick, but I have not seen him do anything that improve his public relations. I would say he is a PR trainwreck. I do not see what you are talking about here. He earns no time and he makes no one happy. His actions, motivations and goals are a mystery to me. You imply that he benefits from these shenanigans, but I do not see how, or why. - Jed
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I still think that the most probable scenario of Rossi's behavior is the follpwing: *technically:* - he has indeed discovered a method to enhance excess heat in the Ni-H system;\ -it is difficult to convert this enhanced excess heat in a controllable, manageable long duration energy source; he has tried a lot and therefore we have seen a lot of kinds of E-cats, some of them in a series of experiments in which Rossi has tried to combine real enhancement with enhancement bt measurement; - the coming Hot Cat 3rd party experiment will be very probably non-spectacular but will also exclude the idea that the Hot Cat does not generate excess heat; *managerially* - i don't know if he really has a great partner, but he needs one good due to the highly difficult problems to be solved- mainly engineering; - know how management- I think his zeroth order of priority is keeping secret what he does technicaly, ergo he will never describe his real process in a good patent as that EP of Piantelli his yearning for a patent is fairy tale - his strategy is oriented toward the domination of the market, kind of exclusivity as long as possible so it is a historical luck and chance that DGT exists and has superior engineering, scientific understanding and management *psychologically* AR is structurally a nice, sometimes even charming person, but being scared for losing the competition, stressed by the failures and blundesr from his past, being a very strong alpha character his ability to cooperate is low and functionally he is a very difficult person. In historical perspective, the virtues of the E-cats will decide what happens- energy source or not energy source? If I disagree 80% with Rossi's deeds, the disagreement is 115% with the professional Rossi killers. Peter On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Susanna Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Unless it's another hot air balloon launch to earn time and keep its supporters happy... Who knows? Earn time from who, for what? The Patent Office does not care how long he takes. If his bank account is falling, he will not make it last longer by making exaggerated claims. No other clock is running Rossi has done nothing to keep his supporters happy. On the contrary, he has infuriated most of his financial supporters, and reporters, and members of the public. He has refused to do a demo. He has cancelled contracts with the university and others, and picked fights with NASA and others. I do not know what makes him tick, but I have not seen him do anything that improve his public relations. I would say he is a PR trainwreck. I do not see what you are talking about here. He earns no time and he makes no one happy. His actions, motivations and goals are a mystery to me. You imply that he benefits from these shenanigans, but I do not see how, or why. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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From Peter: I still think that the most probable scenario of Rossi's behavior is the follpwing: [snip] Let me just reply with: Yes, Yes, and Yes. ...plus the fact that Rossi is both a prima donna and a loose cannon. It seems the combination makes for many unstable scenarios. Some which are entertaining. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Rossi Third-Party Paper : Good News / Bad News
January 17th, 2013 at 10:36 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=776cpage=2#comment-565344 Dear tomconover: I did not read the report, yet, because it has not been published yet. By the way, the Third Party members returned this week to make more tests to clear some points that they had to repeat, while I am in Miami. I know that there are skeptics too. I fear we will have to wait for the publication to know about the report. Maybe I will have its final version the day before the publication, maybe not. About the plantas, they are in construction. Warm Regards, A.R. Bad news : yet another jam-tomorrow deferment Good news: Could be to clarify a point raised during peer-review (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
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If they actually returned to perform more tests then it most likely is a good sign. Had the ECAT been a total failure, it is unlikely that they would bother to recheck it. I have my fingers crossed. Dave -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:01 pm Subject: [Vo]:Rossi Third-Party Paper : Good News / Bad News January 17th, 2013 at 10:36 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=776cpage=2#comment-565344 Dear tomconover: I did not read the report, yet, because it has not been published yet. By the way, the Third Party members returned this week to make more tests to clear some points that they had to repeat, while I am in Miami. I know that there are skeptics too. I fear we will have to wait for the publication to know about the report. Maybe I will have its final version the day before the publication, maybe not. About the plantas, they are in construction. Warm Regards, A.R. Bad news : yet another jam-tomorrow deferment Good news: Could be to clarify a point raised during peer-review (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
