Re: [Vo]:Writing another paper. the duality of matter and waves
On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: Hi, I've plotted the different vectorial components of the velocity vector, and distance to the Sun on the same graph, and curiously enough, the y component of the velocity vector (and probably of the distance vector, although I've not plotted it) seems to be in phase with the change in decay rates. Here is the graph: http://maurol.com.ar/decay_rates/velocity_distance.png The different plots are: red: radial distance (normalized) green: total velocity(normalized) blue, magenta, cyan: Vx, Vy, Vz As you can see, the magenta line seems to nicely match the Brookhaven decay data. This can be no more than a coincidence, and more analysis is clearly necessary. This Vy component is the velocity (also an equivalent displacement, although I prefer to talk about velocities) perpendicular to the major axis of the Sun-Earth ellipse, because the x component is aligned with the perihelion-aphelion axis. I'll now try to produce a graph on the same scale as the bnl graph, to superpose them and see how close the match really is. Best regards, Mauro The URL above is invalid. This may work: http://maurol.com.ar/decay_rates/velocity_distance.png Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Writing another paper. the duality of matter and waves
Horace Heffner wrote: On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: Hi, I've plotted the different vectorial components of the velocity vector, and distance to the Sun on the same graph, and curiously enough, the y component of the velocity vector (and probably of the distance vector, although I've not plotted it) seems to be in phase with the change in decay rates. Here is the graph: http://maurol.com.ar/decay_rates/velocity_distance.png The different plots are: red: radial distance (normalized) green: total velocity(normalized) blue, magenta, cyan: Vx, Vy, Vz As you can see, the magenta line seems to nicely match the Brookhaven decay data. This can be no more than a coincidence, and more analysis is clearly necessary. This Vy component is the velocity (also an equivalent displacement, although I prefer to talk about velocities) perpendicular to the major axis of the Sun-Earth ellipse, because the x component is aligned with the perihelion-aphelion axis. I'll now try to produce a graph on the same scale as the bnl graph, to superpose them and see how close the match really is. Best regards, Mauro The URL above is invalid. This may work: http://maurol.com.ar/decay_rates/velocity_distance.png Thank you, and sorry for that. Here's my best shot at the moment: http://maurol.com.ar/decay_rates/halflife_bnl+Rx.jpg I've superposed the graphs. The red line is 1/Sun-Earth distance^2-1 (distance is now in au, and scaled up vertically), and the green line is the -x component of the Sun-Earth distance. A very good match is observed, although not perfect. I'm thinking that maybe latitude of the experiments can account for the rest of the difference in phase, and also for the different experimental results accross different laboratories and experiments. I'll try to plot light time, ecliptic angle and other seasonal astronomical factors at the different latitudes. But this is more time consuming, and I'm short of that at the moment :-) Best regards, Mauro Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Writing another paper. the duality of matter and waves
On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:33 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: Here's my best shot at the moment: http://maurol.com.ar/decay_rates/halflife_bnl+Rx.jpg I've superposed the graphs. The red line is 1/Sun-Earth distance^2-1 (distance is now in au, and scaled up vertically), and the green line is the -x component of the Sun-Earth distance. A very good match is observed, although not perfect. I'm thinking that maybe latitude of the experiments can account for the rest of the difference in phase, and also for the different experimental results accross different laboratories and experiments. I'll try to plot light time, ecliptic angle and other seasonal astronomical factors at the different latitudes. But this is more time consuming, and I'm short of that at the moment :-) Best regards, Mauro This is a really stunning result! What is the source for the Brookhaven data? Is there a URL? My first thought looking at the data is that variations in background are affecting the apparent decay rate. In other words it is not the 227 keV betas that are changing in decay rate, but rather the background rate of some other particle, like cosmic ray generated muons for example. If the counts are performed for a limited interval at some specific hour every day then the cosmic ray background can be expected to change because it is anisotropic. The background variations will have an annual cycle. I would think Brookhaven folks would check background counts as a control though. In counting silicon 32 they probably set the beta counting window to bracket 227 keV. Still, even with a narrow counting energy, the muon counts will be in background and vary with the season. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Writing another paper. the duality of matter and waves
On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:33 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: Here's my best shot at the moment: http://maurol.com.ar/decay_rates/halflife_bnl+Rx.jpg I've superposed the graphs. The red line is 1/Sun-Earth distance^2-1 (distance is now in au, and scaled up vertically), and the green line is the -x component of the Sun-Earth distance. A very good match is observed, although not perfect. I'm thinking that maybe latitude of the experiments can account for the rest of the difference in phase, and also for the different experimental results accross different laboratories and experiments. I'll try to plot light time, ecliptic angle and other seasonal astronomical factors at the different latitudes. But this is more time consuming, and I'm short of that at the moment :-) Best regards, Mauro This is a really stunning result! I agree. If this holds true (and I think it will), it's completely groundbreaking. What is the source for the Brookhaven data? Is there a URL? I didn't search for the bnl paper yet, but the source of that bnl graph is at http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/38341/title/Half-life_%28more_or_less%29 My first thought looking at the data is that variations in background are affecting the apparent decay rate. In other words it is not the 227 keV betas that are changing in decay rate, but rather the background rate of some other particle, like cosmic ray generated muons for example. If the counts are performed for a limited interval at some specific hour every day then the cosmic ray background can be expected to change because it is anisotropic. The background variations will have an annual cycle. I would think Brookhaven folks would check background counts as a control though. In counting silicon 32 they probably set the beta counting window to bracket 227 keV. Still, even with a narrow counting energy, the muon counts will be in background and vary with the season. It's even better than that, because to try to completely avoid backgound noises or distortions, they compare the decay rates of one element with a very long half life, with the decay rate of other with a relatively short half life. So, seasonal variations are appearing between the comparisions of two decay rates. From the article: Between 1982 and 1986, a team led by David Alburger of Brookhaven monitored the radioactivity of silicon-32. The isotopes half-life was known to be at least 60 years, so researchers needed a long time to measure it with any precision. At the same time, the team monitored a chlorine-36 sample. Chlorine-36 has a half-life of more than 300,000 years, so a samples radioactivity stays virtually unchanged for a long time and can be used to spot any spurious fluctuations. To their surprise, the researchers found that both samples had rates of decay that varied with the seasons, by about 0.3 percent. Regards, Mauro Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
RE: [Vo]:Writing another paper. the duality of matter and waves
?Does the concept of 'Helicoid Wave String Model for Photons Electrons' seem familiar? And does the 'spin-twist(rotation) of said (wavestring-ratherthan-particle as a model for said Photon /or Electron wave-string) explanation for it's gravitation-effect sound familiar either? Just a thought -JO- Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:50:32 -0300 From: ma...@lacy.com.ar To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Writing another paper. the duality of matter and waves Hi Frank Something along those lines. Your derivation of the elastic nature of the electron is a little bit confusing, but I think is the way to go. I suggest you to abandon the particle paradigm completely, and concentrate on the extended wave paradigm, i.e. pulsating strings, that is, elastic formulations. In that sense, you should be able to come up with an elastic formulation for the photon also. This could prove to be very fruitful. I'm thinking about this, and the photon seems to be a form of fully elongated string, when propagating on empty space. More about this later, probably. By the way, the particle nature of the photon arises as no more than the result of a discrete packaging or train of pulses(a quanta), produced during emission, and depending on the emission process. We should be able to see all of the Universe as constituted by tiny vibrating(pulsating, actually, and also rotating) strings. Both macroscopic and elementary behavior should arise as a result of the action and interaction of these pulsating strings. Gravity included. And the strong and weak nuclear forces too. In that regard, I suggest you to reflect on the origin of your previously derived elastic nature of the electron, i.e. the elastic nature (as a form of energy) as a manifestation of an interaction between the electron and the surrounding material environment. Particularly protons. Finally, where you able to calculate the frequency or the period of this oscillation of the electron? I cannot make sense of your MHz-meter unit. I should probably read your published paper. Maybe you can post it here in a couple of weeks, or send me a copy. And please forget about control. That 'll come later. And don't forget to give credit where credit is due. In these modern times, and an Internet mailing list can be more stimulating and fruitful than a hundred of magazines or papers. Mauro fznidar...@aol.com wrote: My published paper, The Control of the Natural Forces is out in this September's addition of Infinite Energy. I am working on another paper, The Duality of Matter and Waves Linked below http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/MatterWaves.pdf I invite comment. Frank Znidarsic fznidarsic at America on line dot com _ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx
Re: [Vo]:Writing another paper. the duality of matter and waves
Mauro Lacy wrote: Jack Smith wrote: ... I would note ... that the phase seems slightly off from sun's distance. So we can say there is an annual cycle, but it might be cosmic rays, gravitational potential or perhaps temperature or other environmental variable. velocity? If I'm not mistaken, velocity is always a little bit off phased in relation to distance in an orbit. No, total velocity and radial distance are mostly in phase, exceptuating some minor alterations in the velocity at times. And the phase difference looks too big(in the range of weeks, or even months? The graphic is not very clear) to be accounted for by simple orbital dynamics.
Re: [Vo]:Writing another paper. the duality of matter and waves
Hi Frank Something along those lines. Your derivation of the elastic nature of the electron is a little bit confusing, but I think is the way to go. I suggest you to abandon the particle paradigm completely, and concentrate on the extended wave paradigm, i.e. pulsating strings, that is, elastic formulations. In that sense, you should be able to come up with an elastic formulation for the photon also. This could prove to be very fruitful. I'm thinking about this, and the photon seems to be a form of fully elongated string, when propagating on empty space. More about this later, probably. By the way, the particle nature of the photon arises as no more than the result of a discrete packaging or train of pulses(a quanta), produced during emission, and depending on the emission process. We should be able to see all of the Universe as constituted by tiny vibrating(pulsating, actually, and also rotating) strings. Both macroscopic and elementary behavior should arise as a result of the action and interaction of these pulsating strings. Gravity included. And the strong and weak nuclear forces too. In that regard, I suggest you to reflect on the origin of your previously derived elastic nature of the electron, i.e. the elastic nature (as a form of energy) as a manifestation of an interaction between the electron and the surrounding material environment. Particularly protons. Finally, where you able to calculate the frequency or the period of this oscillation of the electron? I cannot make sense of your MHz-meter unit. I should probably read your published paper. Maybe you can post it here in a couple of weeks, or send me a copy. And please forget about control. That 'll come later. And don't forget to give credit where credit is due. In these modern times, and an Internet mailing list can be more stimulating and fruitful than a hundred of magazines or papers. Mauro fznidar...@aol.com wrote: My published paper, The Control of the Natural Forces is out in this September's addition of Infinite Energy. I am working on another paper, The Duality of Matter and Waves Linked below http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/MatterWaves.pdf I invite comment. Frank Znidarsic fznidarsic at America on line dot com
[Vo]:Writing another paper. the duality of matter and waves
fznidar...@aol.com wrote: My published paper, The Control of the Natural Forces is out in this September's edition of Infinite Energy. I am working on another paper, The Duality of Matter and Waves Linked below http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/MatterWaves.pdf Mauro Lacy wrote: I suggest you abandon the particle paradigm completely, and concentrate on the extended wave paradigm ... --- Hi All, 9-23-09 You might be interested in the following from the Cycles Group. Jack Smith - ``Re: Annual cycle and the eclipse tomorrow night Posted by: Ray Tomes r...@tomes.biz rjtomes Date: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:34 pm ((PST)) Commentator 1 wrote: Here is the data from the Purdue group working at Brookhaven, in which they show a correlation between the radioactive decay rate and distance to the Sun. To get the required precision, they calibrated new samples of a short lived nuclide against one with a long life. It is not clear which half life was more affected. In contrast, I am working with two medium lifetime nuclides, Cs-137 and Co-60. http://www.sciencenews.org/view/download/id/38404/name/GRAPH_2.jpg Feshbach and Jenkins: arxiv.org/abs/0808.3156 Ray Tomes wrote: This is very interesting stuff. The ideas of people who believe in WSM (wave structure of matter) are being supported by this sort of finding as we believe that matter is constantly reformed from incoming waves and so local conditions are important. I would note ... that the phase seems slightly off from sun's distance. So we can say there is an annual cycle, but it might be cosmic rays, gravitational potential or perhaps temperature or other environmental variable. The day is coming when physics will recognize that everything is a flux and that the standing wave nature of the universe means that the incoming waves that reform everything every moment do depend on external conditions in the cosmos. ... ultimately everything is waves in my view. That would include both standing waves (matter and structures) and travelling waves (light etc). Regards, Ray''
Re: [Vo]:Writing another paper. the duality of matter and waves
Jack Smith wrote: ... I would note ... that the phase seems slightly off from sun's distance. So we can say there is an annual cycle, but it might be cosmic rays, gravitational potential or perhaps temperature or other environmental variable. velocity? If I'm not mistaken, velocity is always a little bit off phased in relation to distance in an orbit.
[Vo]:Writing another paper. the duality of matter and waves
My published paper, The Control of the Natural Forces is out in this September's addition of Infinite Energy. I am working on another paper, The Duality of Matter and Waves Linked below _http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/MatterWaves.pdf_ (http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/MatterWaves.pdf) I invite comment. Frank Znidarsic fznidarsic at America on line dot com
