Re: [Vo]:CFL lamps and radioactivity
Bananas are lethal. ;-) https://youtu.be/piWCBOsJr-w On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 4:45 PM Jed Rothwell, wrote: > wrote: > > “Going back to the banana problem, the *lethal* *dose* for an average >> human is roughly 5 Sv. This translates into about 50 million bananas. >> Eating that many is definitely not feasible.” >> >> >> >> 400 bananas in one sitting is a fatal dose of potassium. >> > > That's hilarious! > > > JonesBeene wrote: > > >> Holy cow. 50 bananas. Forget the potassium, that is going to produce >> major emissions on its own. Who needs LENR with so much “natural” gas?? >> > > I doubt he ate them in one day, but I'll bet he ate them soon. He likes > them when they are still partly unripe. As do I. His brother gave him 50 as > a birthday present, expecting some to be left over a few days later. They > weren't. That's how Mike told the story. > > - Jed > >
Re: [Vo]:CFL lamps and radioactivity
wrote: “Going back to the banana problem, the *lethal* *dose* for an average human > is roughly 5 Sv. This translates into about 50 million bananas. Eating that > many is definitely not feasible.” > > > > 400 bananas in one sitting is a fatal dose of potassium. > That's hilarious! JonesBeene wrote: > Holy cow. 50 bananas. Forget the potassium, that is going to produce major > emissions on its own. Who needs LENR with so much “natural” gas?? > I doubt he ate them in one day, but I'll bet he ate them soon. He likes them when they are still partly unripe. As do I. His brother gave him 50 as a birthday present, expecting some to be left over a few days later. They weren't. That's how Mike told the story. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:CFL lamps and radioactivity
This poster presented at ICCF shows that the "active LENR agent" that is produced in Russ's fuel can exist and be active in a plasma at 7,000C. What is interesting to me is that the plasma produces gamma when it is initially produced at the electrodes, but as plasma plume moves forward in a supersonic beam, the gamma emissions reduce to 20% in a very short time. HIGH-ENERGETIC METAL NANO-CLUSTER PLASMOID AND ITS SOFT X-RADIATION Klimov A., Grigorenko A., Efimov A., Sidorenko M.,Soloviev A., Tolkunov B., Evstigneev N., Ryabk ov O http://www.newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:18 PM, JonesBeene wrote: > *From: *Jed Rothwell > > > > BTW – the fatal dose for radiation poisoning is about 200 bananas in one > day. Fortunately, the 40K which is the culprit - is rapidly excreted. > > > > Only 200??. Mike Melich might munch that many. He ate 50 when he > turned 50. Maybe not in one day. He is inordinately fond of them. > > > > > > Holy cow. 50 bananas. Forget the potassium, that is going to produce major > emissions on its own. Who needs LENR with so much “natural” gas?? > > > > Seriously though, the idea of LENR plasma being the superior medium > (compared to condensed matter) for thermal gain with hydrogen (and there > is a decent case for that proposition) brings up one of the finest > overlooked papers out there. That would be the Phillips, Chen, Shiina paper > on helium/hydrogen plasma emission “Evidence of Catalytic Production of Hot > Atomic Hydrogen in RF Generated Hydrogen/Helium Plasmas” > > > > https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0509127 > > > > They see copious EUV radiation (extreme ultraviolet) which is much hotter > than expected but is almost certainly NOT nuclear in any way shape or form. > It is not chemical either. What is it? They did not use the term “dense > hydrogen” or hydrino but there is little doubt it is a similar kind of > reaction with a strong UV output. > > > > This is interesting in the context of the CFL, especially the higher > voltage grow lamp variety – and with a radioactive catalyst. A further > development would be a” plasma within a plasma” setup using a CFL lamp as > the power supply for a large volume of gas in which neither RF nor metal > electrodes would be needed. > > > > The CFL is placed inside a larger volume vacuum chamber such as a bell jar > which contains the Phillips gas mix of mostly helium with hydrogen at low > pressure, and thus eliminating RF input by using UV to breed EUV. > > > > The UV is much more likely to couple to a plasma than is RF, and is more > efficient to produce as a bonus. > > > > Jones. > > > > >
RE: [Vo]:CFL lamps and radioactivity
If anyone really cares about how many bananas it takes to kill someone, here is a site where they have looked into the absurdity. http://quarksandcoffee.com/index.php/2015/10/08/how-many-bananas-does-it-take-to-kill-someone/ The 200 bananas in the original post is supported by the calculation in the third paragraph which is slightly less but close. Spoiler: it is not the radiation per se that is toxic so much as the salt of potassium KCl and the fact that its toxicity in large doses is due to the chlorine, in addition to radioactivity. “Bananas contain a relativity high dose of potassium in the form of a salt called potassium chloride (KCl). While potassium is essential to healthy humans [5], anything can be bad or even dangerous in large enough doses. The daily recommended value is thought to be between 1600 to 2000 mg, and bananas contain about 1/4th of that with 451 mg [6]. So what if you got too much potassium? In toxicology, the LD-50 is a metric that used to describe a lethal dose of a chemical in 50% of cases. Equivalently, if exposed to an amount equal to the LD-50 you’d have a 50% chance of dying. I couldn’t find the LD-50 for KCl in humans, but it’s been found to be 2600 mg/kilogram (of body mass) in rats [7]. Assuming it’s the same for humans, the LD50 for an ordinary mass human (65 kg, 143 lbs) is 169 grams (0.37 lbs). Since the K is responsible for 52% of the mass of KCl, and since a banana contains 451 mg of K, it means a banana contains a total of 867 mg of KCl. Thus, a person would have to eat 195 bananas to get a lethal dose of KCl. Don’t worry if you’ve eaten 194 in your lifetime. Your next one won’t kill you, you’d have to eat all 195 bananas in a sitting. Also, this is not a good way to die. Potassium overdoses induce a condition called hyperkalemia, which can seriously mess up your heart. For this reason, large doses of KCl are actually administered as a part of the lethal injection.”
RE: [Vo]:CFL lamps and radioactivity
From: Jed Rothwell BTW – the fatal dose for radiation poisoning is about 200 bananas in one day. Fortunately, the 40K which is the culprit - is rapidly excreted. Only 200??. Mike Melich might munch that many. He ate 50 when he turned 50. Maybe not in one day. He is inordinately fond of them. Holy cow. 50 bananas. Forget the potassium, that is going to produce major emissions on its own. Who needs LENR with so much “natural” gas?? Seriously though, the idea of LENR plasma being the superior medium (compared to condensed matter) for thermal gain with hydrogen (and there is a decent case for that proposition) brings up one of the finest overlooked papers out there. That would be the Phillips, Chen, Shiina paper on helium/hydrogen plasma emission “Evidence of Catalytic Production of Hot Atomic Hydrogen in RF Generated Hydrogen/Helium Plasmas” https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0509127 They see copious EUV radiation (extreme ultraviolet) which is much hotter than expected but is almost certainly NOT nuclear in any way shape or form. It is not chemical either. What is it? They did not use the term “dense hydrogen” or hydrino but there is little doubt it is a similar kind of reaction with a strong UV output. This is interesting in the context of the CFL, especially the higher voltage grow lamp variety – and with a radioactive catalyst. A further development would be a” plasma within a plasma” setup using a CFL lamp as the power supply for a large volume of gas in which neither RF nor metal electrodes would be needed. The CFL is placed inside a larger volume vacuum chamber such as a bell jar which contains the Phillips gas mix of mostly helium with hydrogen at low pressure, and thus eliminating RF input by using UV to breed EUV. The UV is much more likely to couple to a plasma than is RF, and is more efficient to produce as a bonus. Jones.
RE: [Vo]:CFL lamps and radioactivity
“Going back to the banana problem, the lethal dose for an average human is roughly 5 Sv. This translates into about 50 million bananas. Eating that many is definitely not feasible.” 400 bananas in one sitting is a fatal dose of potassium. From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 4:04 PM To: Vortex Subject: Re: [Vo]:CFL lamps and radioactivity JonesBeene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> > wrote: BTW – the fatal dose for radiation poisoning is about 200 bananas in one day. Fortunately, the 40K which is the culprit - is rapidly excreted. Only 200?? A chimpanzee might eat that many. Mike Melich might munch that many. He ate 50 when he turned 50. Maybe not in one day. He is inordinately fond of them. My favorite lunch would be a pound of cherries and champagne.
Re: [Vo]:CFL lamps and radioactivity
JonesBeene wrote: > BTW – the fatal dose for radiation poisoning is about 200 bananas in one > day. Fortunately, the 40K which is the culprit - is rapidly excreted. > Only 200?? A chimpanzee might eat that many. Mike Melich might munch that many. He ate 50 when he turned 50. Maybe not in one day. He is inordinately fond of them. My favorite lunch would be a pound of cherries and champagne.
