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Hi Steven, Look at this: http://www.fourmilab.ch/gravitation/orbits/ the result is very similar to your simulations. mic 2012/8/10 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net: Hey Steven, the website is looking very nice; and enjoyed perusing your artwork… So that’s what happened to Kinkade!! And when I come back for another round on this physical plain, I want to get a speeding ticket on the galactic highway! Most talented you be… Oh, some of the orbital forms sure seem strange and totally unexpected… we’re so used to seeing boring mostly circular orbits that it would be fascinating to see one like your simulations… are you aware of any (from astronomers papers) that might be very non-circular? -mark From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 7:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher power effects you simulated. I did a similar thing once and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance was the only one that was stable in orbits. My simulation was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your observations. Thanks. Hi Dave, Against my better judgment I have decided to give a small preview. Check out: http://test.orionworks.com/ As you might have guessed this is one of the sub-domain locations where I'm in the midst of performing a major overhaul of my entire web site. THIS LOCATION IS A TEST SITE! EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION! Lots of links here don't work, or work incorrectly. Things here are constantly subject to change without notice as I experiment fiddle about with this and that feature. Here today… gone tomorrow. The celestial mechanics animation is a multi-framed gif file. I chose using an animated GIF file in this situation over flash because flash is not supported on Apple's IPad platform... at least not officially. It's a shame. I believe this particular animation involved three factors: a positive force 1/r (NOT 1/r^2) a negative/repulsive 1/r^3 force and an external constant force that was gradually built up over a series of animations. It was the external force that changed over the entire simulation run. Everything else remained a constant, so to speak. The external force is gradually building up from the bottom of the picture. As the force builds upward it gradually forces the orbiting satellite to gyrate (wiggle and dance!) upwards. Eventually it pops out of the picture! What astonished me as I ran these simulations were the number of unexpected bifurcations that would suddenly manifest when I least expected it. Many, MANY of my simulations exhibited an astonishing number of unexpected bifurcations. I have generated many other simulations that produce far more interesting effects, and beauty. Hopefully before the end of the year I’ll have a few additional things out there… We’ll see how it goes. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Look at this: http://www.fourmilab.ch/gravitation/orbits/ the result is very similar to your simulations. Thanks Michele. Yes, I've generated simulations very similar to what is shown here. This particular run looks to me as if the algorithm used 1/r^3 (a cube value) to generate the orbital plot. When I ran those type of formulas I noticed it was extremely difficult to achieve a stable orbital period. Typically the satellite would spiral out of control in no time. The tracks left reminded me of the vapor trails one observes in a cloud chamber. The graphic showing the Effective Potential is very revealing. I recently re-discovered that phenomenon as well. You can plot orbital periods on a time plot based on Effective Potential rules. I think an individual named Miles Mathis noticed something similar to this as well. He wrote about it in his self-published book. However, IMHO, I think Miles got his facts wrong! Many think he is a crank. This is a very informative web site. Thanks! Terry, other runs algorithms I've experimented with imitate something akin to what looks like an electron cloud much more than this example. There is s much more to do. I've only scratched the surface. Mark, Kinkade recently died of an overdose of taking prescription drugs presumably from pain he was experiencing. I hope he is in a better place now. Perhaps when he recycles back he will be an artist one more time, but this time he will allow himself to follow his heart as compared to following his bank account. I thought Kinkade was a talented artist who ended up wasting the bulk of his talent churning out the same theme over and over. Well, he made a ton of money, but I wonder if he was really all that happy. Dave, as for me I've tried to keep my plots very simple, involving just a single attractive gravitational nucleus and a single orbiting satellite. But look at the incredible complexity I've stumbled across working with just two objects! I've often wondered what it would be like to plot an entire solar system. Looks like you worked more on the macro level whereas I'm currently working more on a micro/atomic level. More to do... more to do... scurry, scurry scurry! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Not sure if this is relevant but have wondered if the same discount to disassociation I am positing for fractional molecules being moved between different suppression regions /geometries would also exist for molecules moved between different inertial frames like the event horizon in your simulation and normal space-time. My point being Casimir force / suppression are doing exactly the same manipulation of the isotropy that we normally attribute to the square law of gravity only at a much faster cube law rate when the geometry is correct.. I know DiFiore et all were unable to accumulate any gravitational effects with their stacked cavity experiments but a relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect would lead one to view the effect as a segregation and the concentration of the suppressed area inside the cavity is balanced by a much weaker but larger region where the isotropy is instead enhanced. This would cancel out the gravitational bias they were attempting to generate. I think they needed to introduce gas and confinement schemes in this environment because the size and shape of gas atoms will lend an inherent bias to which type of suppression regions the gas prefers to migrate through and once the gas is loaded there isn't a price to circulate the gas between regions - it is provided by nature - the same force that keeps gas from freezing at absolute zero and which can't be exploited in normal space can be harnessed when you have these sudden breaches in isotropy. Fran -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 8:54 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Look at this: http://www.fourmilab.ch/gravitation/orbits/ the result is very similar to your simulations. Thanks Michele. Yes, I've generated simulations very similar to what is shown here. This particular run looks to me as if the algorithm used 1/r^3 (a cube value) to generate the orbital plot. When I ran those type of formulas I noticed it was extremely difficult to achieve a stable orbital period. Typically the satellite would spiral out of control in no time. The tracks left reminded me of the vapor trails one observes in a cloud chamber. The graphic showing the Effective Potential is very revealing. I recently re-discovered that phenomenon as well. You can plot orbital periods on a time plot based on Effective Potential rules. I think an individual named Miles Mathis noticed something similar to this as well. He wrote about it in his self-published book. However, IMHO, I think Miles got his facts wrong! Many think he is a crank. This is a very informative web site. Thanks! Terry, other runs algorithms I've experimented with imitate something akin to what looks like an electron cloud much more than this example. There is s much more to do. I've only scratched the surface. Mark, Kinkade recently died of an overdose of taking prescription drugs presumably from pain he was experiencing. I hope he is in a better place now. Perhaps when he recycles back he will be an artist one more time, but this time he will allow himself to follow his heart as compared to following his bank account. I thought Kinkade was a talented artist who ended up wasting the bulk of his talent churning out the same theme over and over. Well, he made a ton of money, but I wonder if he was really all that happy. Dave, as for me I've tried to keep my plots very simple, involving just a single attractive gravitational nucleus and a single orbiting satellite. But look at the incredible complexity I've stumbled across working with just two objects! I've often wondered what it would be like to plot an entire solar system. Looks like you worked more on the macro level whereas I'm currently working more on a micro/atomic level. More to do... more to do... scurry, scurry scurry! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Hi Steven (SVJ) and Michele, John Walker was very helpful to me in the early days of Autodesk. In those days John was Autodesk. We shared a strong interest in microcomputer based graphics. I particularly like his short story Einstein, Heisenberg, and Tipler. http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/eht.html George Holz Varitronics Systems geo...@varisys.com
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Hi George, Love the short-story, thx for providing the link. Went browsing around Fourmilab.ch and found this, also by John Walker, in May of 1989: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/sftriple/nanofuse.html Is john still around? And if so, does he realize how prescient he was? I wonder if it's in lenr.org -Mark -Original Message- From: George Holz [mailto:geh...@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:26 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Hi Steven (SVJ) and Michele, John Walker was very helpful to me in the early days of Autodesk. In those days John was Autodesk. We shared a strong interest in microcomputer based graphics. I particularly like his short story Einstein, Heisenberg, and Tipler. http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/eht.html George Holz Varitronics Systems geo...@varisys.com
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“Quantum nonlocality is a bug.” :-) mic 2012/8/10 George Holz geh...@optonline.net: Hi Steven (SVJ) and Michele, John Walker was very helpful to me in the early days of Autodesk. In those days John was Autodesk. We shared a strong interest in microcomputer based graphics. I particularly like his short story Einstein, Heisenberg, and Tipler. http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/eht.html George Holz Varitronics Systems geo...@varisys.com
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On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: “Quantum nonlocality is a bug.” :-) A real programmer would have called it an undocumented feature. T
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Terry sez: A real programmer would have called it an undocumented feature. Back in the mid 1980s, at the Space Astronomy Lab, University of Wisconsin, where I worked as a ground support computer programmer, we would just say: Everything is nominal. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:31 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Terry sez: A real programmer would have called it an undocumented feature. Back in the mid 1980s, at the Space Astronomy Lab, University of Wisconsin, where I worked as a ground support computer programmer, we would just say: Everything is nominal. LOL! We engineers considered specifications with the trailer .nom to be hogwash. In name only. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nominal?s=t T
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Hi Mark, Fourmilab.ch is John's web site. He has a vast range of interests. He was president of Autodesk for decades. He was IMO their best programmer as well. When he left for Switzerland where he now lives his stock was worth 10's of millions. We have not been directly in touch for at least 20 years, but I see that the last update of the web site was last month. George -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 1:52 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Hi George, Love the short-story, thx for providing the link. Went browsing around Fourmilab.ch and found this, also by John Walker, in May of 1989: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/sftriple/nanofuse.html Is john still around? And if so, does he realize how prescient he was? I wonder if it's in lenr.org -Mark
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From: Axil These guys don't write things down, they use videos and interviews to communicate, this makes research difficult. I was under the impression that the coil is always active and is not switched off and on. J Rohner uses, Scandium at the tip of his anode for some reason. He also uses four cathodes ( cut down spark plugs) at 110,000 volts each. He says they add up to 440,000 V total. I don't understand how this addition of voltage is figured. I hope Mike Carrell is listening in on this topic. He was an electrical engineer during his earlier career. With RCA, I believe. I wonder if Mike might be willing to add his own two-cents as to what is going on here. ...Perhaps more to the point, whether the amount of electrical energy being expended in the discharges, combined with the observed amount of mechanical energy displayed, in truth turns out to balance the energy equations in such a manner as to result in no actual O/U involved. I'm neither an electrical engineer nor a mechanical engineer. It's fascinating, nevertheless. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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The device is a high energy gas particle collider creating quantum singularities (perceived as ball lightning) at the point of the high energy collisions. Since Hawking radiation emits the full spectrum of visible light, that is what they are seeing. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:33 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From: Axil ** ** These guys don't write things down, they use videos and interviews to communicate, this makes research difficult. I was under the impression that the coil is always active and is not switched off and on. J Rohner uses, Scandium at the tip of his anode for some reason. He also uses four cathodes ( cut down spark plugs) at 110,000 volts each. He says they add up to 440,000 V total. I don't understand how this addition of voltage is figured. I hope Mike Carrell is listening in on this topic. He was an electrical engineer during his earlier career. With RCA, I believe. ** ** I wonder if Mike might be willing to add his own two-cents as to what is going on here. ...Perhaps more to the point, whether the amount of electrical energy being expended in the discharges, combined with the observed amount of mechanical energy displayed, in truth turns out to balance the energy equations in such a manner as to result in no actual O/U involved. ** ** I’m neither an electrical engineer nor a mechanical engineer. It's fascinating, nevertheless. ** ** Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Addendum: The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there shouldn't be any kind of reactive chemistry involved, period. other than ionic excitation such as what we see in neon signs. What the hell is causing what I assume has been accurately measured to be an unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical energy that has yet to be explained by conventional physics. If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying videos, that tells me there must be something going on here really that needs to be taken seriously. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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This is not chemistry. It is high energy particle quantum physics. I believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of collision. To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton and electron. Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing with a nuclear furnace... On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:46 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Addendum: ** ** The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there shouldn’t be any kind of reactive “chemistry” involved, period… other than ionic excitation such as what we see in neon signs. ** ** What the hell is causing what I assume has been “accurately” measured to be an unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical energy that has yet to be explained by conventional physics. ** ** If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying videos, that tells me there must be something going on here really that needs to be taken seriously. ** ** Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks ** **
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From: Chemical Engineer This is not chemistry. It is high energy particle quantum physics. I believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of collision. To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton and electron. Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing with a nuclear furnace... Hi Chem, I need a refresher course in what is meant by the term quantum singularity. Can you offer up a reasonable description... or at least point me in the right direction? PS: I know Francis has also weighed in here with some interesting explanations involving the exploitation of precise geometry topology and casimir forces. Being graphically oriented, I find such perspectives interesting. I wonder if there is a tie-in with what Francis thinks is happening and what you think might be happening - involving quantum singularities. In any case, both explanations seem to be happening at the quantum level. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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The gas atoms, instead of fusing or reacting chemically are colliding and collapsing into a point source due to high energy at the point of collision and the effect of quantum gravity (which is much larger) at the quantum level. This point source, or black hole radiates back to the surroundings the nuclear goo that universes are made of. The reason quantum gravity is much stronger at the quantum level is because there are thought to be about 11 or so dimensions of space all curled up there. That ball lightning is a quantum singularity(s) evaporating and radiating the full spectrum of Nuclear Goo which is powerful enough to create new universes. Fortunately in this case it evaporates very quickly, primarily releasing radiation that shows up as heat. I just hope that the reason we have not found other intelligent life is that they all got their hands on a quantum singularity engine at some point and stepped on the throttle too hard... On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chemical Engineer This is not chemistry. It is high energy particle quantum physics. I believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of collision. To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton and electron. Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing with a nuclear furnace... Hi Chem, I need a refresher course in what is meant by the term quantum singularity. Can you offer up a reasonable description... or at least point me in the right direction? PS: I know Francis has also weighed in here with some interesting explanations involving the exploitation of precise geometry topology and casimir forces. Being graphically oriented, I find such perspectives interesting. I wonder if there is a tie-in with what Francis thinks is happening and what you think might be happening - involving quantum singularities. In any case, both explanations seem to be happening at the quantum level. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Steven, I suspect that nobel gasses are used for the reason that they can be ionized relatively easily and yet do not enter into chemical structures when they cool. It is a good question that you ask about the mechanical force generation. My first thought is that it is due to the heating of the gasses which results in additional pressure, but there are problems with that explanation. One might ask why there is no degradation to the piston and end cap of the device since the magnetic field from the coil would be axial and most likely would not restrict plasma from going out the ends. I suppose that a time changing field, if that is what they are doing, might induce currents into the conductive piston end and cap which would have some influence upon the plasma, but I am not sure this would eliminate the contact problems. At this point in my understanding, I am not sure the entire thing is not an April fools joke. Can anyone be sure that a truly independent test has been conducted which proves the performance? If this device is for real, it is quite interesting. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:46 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Addendum: The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there shouldn’t be any kind of reactive “chemistry” involved, period… other than ionic excitation such as what we see in neon signs. What the hell is causing what I assume has been “accurately” measured to be an unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical energy that has yet to be explained by conventional physics. If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying videos, that tells me there must be something going on here really that needs to be taken seriously. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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It seems to me that if the ions are colliding with such energies, fusion should occur first before you can even approach the energies needed to form a singularity. In the Tokamak, the ions are colliding so energetically that it fuses, but a singularity is never formed. Your theory needs to explain why the fusion process is skipped in favor of a more difficult process of forming a singularity. I don't believe you can form a singularity by just colliding ions no matter how hard, unless of course you approach LHC energies. Are you claiming that energies within a lattice can approach the energies in the LHC? But I am willing to be wrong. Do you have the math to show why a singularity is formed instead of the relatively easier process of direct fusion first? If so, please share. Jojo - Original Message - From: Chemical Engineer To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy The gas atoms, instead of fusing or reacting chemically are colliding and collapsing into a point source due to high energy at the point of collision and the effect of quantum gravity (which is much larger) at the quantum level. This point source, or black hole radiates back to the surroundings the nuclear goo that universes are made of. The reason quantum gravity is much stronger at the quantum level is because there are thought to be about 11 or so dimensions of space all curled up there. That ball lightning is a quantum singularity(s) evaporating and radiating the full spectrum of Nuclear Goo which is powerful enough to create new universes. Fortunately in this case it evaporates very quickly, primarily releasing radiation that shows up as heat. I just hope that the reason we have not found other intelligent life is that they all got their hands on a quantum singularity engine at some point and stepped on the throttle too hard... On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chemical Engineer This is not chemistry. It is high energy particle quantum physics. I believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of collision. To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton and electron. Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing with a nuclear furnace... Hi Chem, I need a refresher course in what is meant by the term quantum singularity. Can you offer up a reasonable description... or at least point me in the right direction? PS: I know Francis has also weighed in here with some interesting explanations involving the exploitation of precise geometry topology and casimir forces. Being graphically oriented, I find such perspectives interesting. I wonder if there is a tie-in with what Francis thinks is happening and what you think might be happening - involving quantum singularities. In any case, both explanations seem to be happening at the quantum level. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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You appear to favor quantum singularities. What evidence do you have that they are real? I am not aware that anyone has proven that they exist, and this would be a great time for you to point out some sources of information. I think we should also give consideration to standard physics as we seek an explanation. First, we need to be sure that this thing is real. Dave -Original Message- From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:56 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy This is not chemistry. It is high energy particle quantum physics. I believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of collision. To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton and electron. Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing with a nuclear furnace... On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:46 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Addendum: The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there shouldn’t be any kind of reactive “chemistry” involved, period… other than ionic excitation such as what we see in neon signs. What the hell is causing what I assume has been “accurately” measured to be an unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical energy that has yet to be explained by conventional physics. If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying videos, that tells me there must be something going on here really that needs to be taken seriously. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Thanks for the layman's explanation, Chem. I think I actually understood much of what you were trying to describe. Having performed numerous computer simulations that loosely involve the rules attributed to celestial mechanics I have on occasion experimented with incorporating additional powers (i.e. dimensions) into the algorithms. For example, I've incorporated cube powers and 4th powers into some of my computer simulations. The results are interesting. Occasionally unexpected... wildly unexpected! I hope to present some of what I have uncovered before the end of the year over on my OrionWorks website - that is if I can get around to the arduous task of completely overhauling it. I'm in the middle of that mess right now. Regarding your concern as to why we have not yet found other intelligent life in the Universe. As Arthur Clark once quipped, and I'm paraphrasing here: Quasars are nothing more than industrial accidents. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Well, Now that I have thought about it some more, if you look out into space and see millions of galaxies rotating around singularities, within that singularity is probably the last civilization in that part of the universe that had a Quantum Singularity device operated by Rossi... I hope that I am wrong. On Thursday, August 9, 2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Thanks for the layman's explanation, Chem. I think I actually understood much of what you were trying to describe. Having performed numerous computer simulations that loosely involve the rules attributed to celestial mechanics I have on occasion experimented with incorporating additional powers (i.e. dimensions) into the algorithms. For example, I've incorporated cube powers and 4th powers into some of my computer simulations. The results are interesting. Occasionally unexpected... wildly unexpected! I hope to present some of what I have uncovered before the end of the year over on my OrionWorks website - that is if I can get around to the arduous task of completely overhauling it. I'm in the middle of that mess right now. Regarding your concern as to why we have not yet found other intelligent life in the Universe. As Arthur Clark once quipped, and I'm paraphrasing here: Quasars are nothing more than industrial accidents. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Hi Steven, Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher power effects you simulated. I did a similar thing once and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance was the only one that was stable in orbits. My simulation was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your observations. Thanks. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 11:14 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Thanks for the layman's explanation, Chem. I think I actually understood much of what you were trying to describe. Having performed numerous computer simulations that loosely involve the rules attributed to celestial mechanics I have on occasion experimented with incorporating additional powers (i.e. dimensions) into the algorithms. For example, I've incorporated cube powers and 4th powers into some of my computer simulations. The results are interesting. Occasionally unexpected... wildly unexpected! I hope to present some of what I have uncovered before the end of the year over on my OrionWorks website - that is if I can get around to the arduous task of completely overhauling it. I'm in the middle of that mess right now. Regarding your concern as to why we have not yet found other intelligent life in the Universe. As Arthur Clark once quipped, and I'm paraphrasing here: Quasars are nothing more than industrial accidents. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher power effects you simulated. I did a similar thing once and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance was the only one that was stable in orbits. My simulation was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your observations. Thanks. Hi Dave, Against my better judgment I have decided to give a small preview. Check out: http://test.orionworks.com/ As you might have guessed this is one of the sub-domain locations where I'm in the midst of performing a major overhaul of my entire web site. THIS LOCATION IS A TEST SITE! EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION! Lots of links here don't work, or work incorrectly. Things here are constantly subject to change without notice as I experiment fiddle about with this and that feature. Here today. gone tomorrow. The celestial mechanics animation is a multi-framed gif file. I chose using an animated GIF file in this situation over flash because flash is not supported on Apple's IPad platform... at least not officially. It's a shame. I believe this particular animation involved three factors: a positive force 1/r (NOT 1/r^2) a negative/repulsive 1/r^3 force and an external constant force that was gradually built up over a series of animations. It was the external force that changed over the entire simulation run. Everything else remained a constant, so to speak. The external force is gradually building up from the bottom of the picture. As the force builds upward it gradually forces the orbiting satellite to gyrate (wiggle and dance!) upwards. Eventually it pops out of the picture! What astonished me as I ran these simulations were the number of unexpected bifurcations that would suddenly manifest when I least expected it. Many, MANY of my simulations exhibited an astonishing number of unexpected bifurcations. I have generated many other simulations that produce far more interesting effects, and beauty. Hopefully before the end of the year I'll have a few additional things out there. We'll see how it goes. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson Check out: http://test.orionworks.com/ Some of the images remind me of electron cloud orbits. T
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Now that is what I call a wild set of plots! It appears like you found a way to construct the electron orbitals for a complex atom. Nice art. I thought that you were going to demonstrate that a stable, more or less nominal orbit could be obtained for different powers of force versus distance. That was my main question since I think the laws of COE would be violated if a stable elliptic orbit were obtained with anything except a second order force. You might do some tweaking to your equation and obtain fractal curves. My simulation was conducted to visually see how interactions between planets lead to unstable systems and the ejection of small ones. I think I gave up after I had a single planet simulated due to the complexity of the equations with many bodies. In my simulation I incremented time in small steps and recalculated the delta changes in position at each interval. That technique works well for solving high order differential equations. I have been tempted to use it for the solution to some of the partial differential equations associated with heat flow, but lack sufficient energy to see it through. Good luck with your interesting endeavor. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 10:01 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher power effects you simulated. I did a similar thing once and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance was the only one that was stable in orbits. My simulation was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your observations. Thanks. Hi Dave, Against my better judgment I have decided to give a small preview. Check out: http://test.orionworks.com/ As you might have guessed this is one of the sub-domain locations where I'm in the midst of performing a major overhaul of my entire web site. THIS LOCATION IS A TEST SITE! EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION! Lots of links here don't work, or work incorrectly. Things here are constantly subject to change without notice as I experiment fiddle about with this and that feature. Here today… gone tomorrow. The celestial mechanics animation is a multi-framed gif file. I chose using an animated GIF file in this situation over flash because flash is not supported on Apple's IPad platform... at least not officially. It's a shame. I believe this particular animation involved three factors: a positive force 1/r (NOT 1/r^2) a negative/repulsive 1/r^3 force and an external constant force that was gradually built up over a series of animations. It was the external force that changed over the entire simulation run. Everything else remained a constant, so to speak. The external force is gradually building up from the bottom of the picture. As the force builds upward it gradually forces the orbiting satellite to gyrate (wiggle and dance!) upwards. Eventually it pops out of the picture! What astonished me as I ran these simulations were the number of unexpected bifurcations that would suddenly manifest when I least expected it. Many, MANY of my simulations exhibited an astonishing number of unexpected bifurcations. I have generated many other simulations that produce far more interesting effects, and beauty. Hopefully before the end of the year I’ll have a few additional things out there… We’ll see how it goes. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
Same thought I had Terry. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson Check out: http://test.orionworks.com/ Some of the images remind me of electron cloud orbits. T
RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
Hey Steven, the website is looking very nice; and enjoyed perusing your artwork. So that's what happened to Kinkade!! And when I come back for another round on this physical plain, I want to get a speeding ticket on the galactic highway! Most talented you be. Oh, some of the orbital forms sure seem strange and totally unexpected. we're so used to seeing boring mostly circular orbits that it would be fascinating to see one like your simulations. are you aware of any (from astronomers papers) that might be very non-circular? -mark From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 7:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher power effects you simulated. I did a similar thing once and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance was the only one that was stable in orbits. My simulation was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your observations. Thanks. Hi Dave, Against my better judgment I have decided to give a small preview. Check out: http://test.orionworks.com/ As you might have guessed this is one of the sub-domain locations where I'm in the midst of performing a major overhaul of my entire web site. THIS LOCATION IS A TEST SITE! EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION! Lots of links here don't work, or work incorrectly. Things here are constantly subject to change without notice as I experiment fiddle about with this and that feature. Here today. gone tomorrow. The celestial mechanics animation is a multi-framed gif file. I chose using an animated GIF file in this situation over flash because flash is not supported on Apple's IPad platform... at least not officially. It's a shame. I believe this particular animation involved three factors: a positive force 1/r (NOT 1/r^2) a negative/repulsive 1/r^3 force and an external constant force that was gradually built up over a series of animations. It was the external force that changed over the entire simulation run. Everything else remained a constant, so to speak. The external force is gradually building up from the bottom of the picture. As the force builds upward it gradually forces the orbiting satellite to gyrate (wiggle and dance!) upwards. Eventually it pops out of the picture! What astonished me as I ran these simulations were the number of unexpected bifurcations that would suddenly manifest when I least expected it. Many, MANY of my simulations exhibited an astonishing number of unexpected bifurcations. I have generated many other simulations that produce far more interesting effects, and beauty. Hopefully before the end of the year I'll have a few additional things out there. We'll see how it goes. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
Had to delete the 35KB picture in order for this to get posted. Here is what we have so far: 1. Primarily just noble gases in a closed cylinder at low pressure (1 to several atm). They just bounce around, occasionally bouncing into each other but no chemical nor nuclear reactions taking place. Real boring! 2. There were three other elements mentioned, but in very small amounts, and they were not obvious or in the bottom and not easily visible. Thorium mentioned, but more on that later. 3. Spark discharge starts the ionization/plasma generation process near electrodes. 4. Plasma is conductive and a large (DC) current flows between other set of electrodes (anode/cathode). 5. Then a miracle/the impossible happens! J Unknowns: 1. When is the coil energized? If Axil's speculations are right, it would be on for steps 1 thru 3. 2. Rohner did mention 2g of thorium at the conference, but I thought that was only since he didn't have something else at the conference; vaguely remember hearing RF! Need to rewatch the videos. Analysis of attached Picture 1. The lower-right electrode and upper-left are connected to the SAME wire! 2. The wire at lower left side electrode wraps underneath the vacuum guage and connects to what looks like a ground terminal mounted to side of electrode housing; then from there the wire goes into the wooden box. 3. The wire on the electrode in the upper-right side one cannot see where it goes.. -Mark
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These guys don't write things down, they use videos and interviews to communicate, this makes research difficult. I was under the impression that the coil is always active and is not switched off and on. J Rohner uses, Scandium at the tip of his anode for some reason. He also uses four cathodes ( cut down spark plugs) at 110,000 volts each. He says they add up to 440,000 V total. I don't understand how this addition of voltage is figured. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Had to delete the 35KB picture in order for this to get posted… ** ** Here is what we have so far: **1. **Primarily just noble gases in a closed cylinder at low pressure (1 to several atm). They just bounce around, occasionally bouncing into each other but no chemical nor nuclear reactions taking place. Real boring! **2. **There were three other elements mentioned, but in very small amounts, and they were not obvious or in the bottom and not easily visible. Thorium mentioned, but more on that later… **3. **Spark discharge starts the ionization/plasma generation process near electrodes. **4. **Plasma is conductive and a large (DC) current flows between other set of electrodes (anode/cathode). **5. **Then a miracle/the impossible happens! J ** ** Unknowns: **1. **When is the coil energized? If Axil’s speculations are right, it would be on for steps 1 thru 3. **2. **Rohner did mention 2g of thorium at the conference, but I thought that was only since he didn’t have something else at the conference; vaguely remember hearing RF! Need to rewatch the videos… ** ** Analysis of attached Picture **1. **The lower-right electrode and upper-left are connected to the SAME wire! **2. **The wire at lower left side electrode wraps underneath the vacuum guage and connects to what looks like a ground terminal mounted to side of electrode housing; then from there the wire goes into the wooden box. **3. **The wire on the electrode in the upper-right side one cannot see where it goes…. ** ** -Mark ** **
