RE: [Vo]:April 2013 Defkalion GT Interview
Molybdenum is hexavalent --- but sulfur is not (5). _ From: Arnaud Kodeck In a Defkalion presentation, I remember that there was a dashboard in the background of a picture. In that board, a hexavalent look like molecule was designed. Could it be H6S? I'm speculating as well here. _ _ From: Jones Beene Most interesting. This is a provocative observation that the Petrodragon reactor used the Bergius process, Arnaud. It would be even more interesting if we knew for sure what catalysts specifically that Rossi was using there. All of the transition metals listed in the Wiki entry on Bergius are Mills catalysts. Molybdenum, in fact, is the closest fit of all transition metals to 27.2 under Mills Theory - when it goes from Mo2+ - Mo3+ (27.13 eV) and the sulfides would facilitate that ionic transition since they are so reactive with hydrogen. For instance, if we knew for sure that Rossi was adding MoS2 - which is a commonly used catalyst in the petrochemical industry (but better known as a dry lubricant), then that is strong indication that this particular catalyst found its way into the E-Cat (along with scrap rubber ??) There is a fair chance that Andrea Rossi discovered the heat anomaly first with the Petrodragon reactor before moving on to a smaller version. I have never heard this particular suggestion voiced before now, but it makes sense, no? The E-cat is simply a little Petrodragon reactor. LOL. That would explain its very crude construction in the first models, and the large amount of exterior gunk seen on them. If you have ever used molybdenum disulfide, you know what I am talking about. attachment: winmail.dat
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Eric, Where did you get the idea that soft x-rays were not harmful? In fact they are deadly, but not instantly deadly, if that makes them slightly less problematic. I guess the question is rhetorical and the answer is historic in a way: X-rays in extremely low dosages have been used in a therapeutic way; but some of that is quackery. The softest x-rays are 100 eV which – which is strongly ionizing – and if nothing else is the temperature equivalent of about one million degrees. Not to mention, soft x-rays can be carcinogenic, since most ionizing radiation is carcinogenic. However, this radiation can be used to kill cancer if well-focused. BTW – Mitchell Swartz was a radiation oncologist before getting into LENR and one suspects that if gammas were going to be a problem in experiments, even those with deuterium where they are far more likely to be witnessed - then you would hear about it from Mitchell. Sterling Allan, whom you quote - is a tireless PR person and promoter in the PT Barnum tradition - but not a scientist. Even Hadjichristos, listed as CTO of Defkalion has given no indication of being literate in several important scientific fields. Plus his boss - Xanthoulis - has already fingered him as a being a willing participant in industrial espionage (in the Sienna affair: http://ecatnews.com/?p=1500) so he has almost zero credibility as a working scientist, and would have lost his professional credentials in the USA. Jones From: Eric Walker This article does not shy away from making big claims about Defkalion's technology in development. In a different connection, there was this from Sterling Allan, which pertains to the discussion about gammas: Even though transmutation is a nuclear process, it is not a dangerous one. One US Company tested the Defkalion technology for about six months and reported that there was no harmful radiation emitted whatsoever (they thoroughly tested the full spectrum), and that only some gamma rays are emitted during the reaction -- but no more than you get from a household toaster -- well within safety limits. And sometimes, it doesn't even emit any harmless gamma radiation while it is operating -- puzzling the scientists who haven't yet figured that one out, who think that with every transmutation event there should be a gamma emission. I will point out that no harmful radiation does not necessarily exclude soft x-rays, unless I'm mistaken about their being benign. Eric
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Soft X-Rays, around 1keV, can be absorbed to background levels even if you use a very thin material, even thinner than thin paper. And even if the emition from soft x-rays have 1MW of power. 2013/4/6 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com I will point out that no harmful radiation does not necessarily exclude soft x-rays, unless I'm mistaken about their being benign. Eric -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Where did you get the idea that soft x-rays were not harmful? In fact they are deadly, but not instantly deadly, if that makes them slightly less problematic. The thought did occur to me after I pressed send that given a sufficient flux, you could end up cooking yourself before too long. My remarks about soft x-rays were ambiguous -- I could have meant that they do not pose safety concerns when shielded by the kind of housing that a reactor will typically have, or I could have meant that they are benign in general. My actual meaning was to suggest that they might be benign in general (without shielding). As someone who knows nothing about nuclear physics, I feel at liberty to make one or two embarrassing comments. ;) Sterling Allan, whom you quote - is a tireless PR person and promoter in the PT Barnum tradition - but not a scientist. Even Hadjichristos, listed as CTO of Defkalion has given no indication of being literate in several important scientific fields. My apologies for the confusion -- I didn't intend to offer Allan or Hadjichristos as authorities. The quote was meant to provide another data point and does not give anything to base any conclusions on. But it is interesting to note that if the quote is half accurate, Defkalion's description of the reaction is still consistent (?) with there being copious soft x-rays that are being blocked by the housing of the reactor. Eric
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Eric, “Defkalion's description of the reaction is still consistent with there being copious soft x-rays that arebeing blocked by the housing of the reactor” Yes – you have probably heard Robin and myself and a few others suggesting that the EUV spectrum is the most likely source of energetic radiation that will be seen in any Ni-H reaction which resembles Mills. And all of them do resemble Mills/BLP - at least AFAIK. Mills was seeing UV 20 years ago, so it is not new. Some few gammas can probably be seen when redundancy becomes extreme, but he says that most of the output is UV. Mills has never reported gammas, it should be noted… but then again, he has turned a blind eye to anything which is suggestive of a nuclear explanation. This UV radiation spectrum is because of the Rydberg energy multiples of 27.2 eV, 54.4 eV, and 108.8 eV etc. which happen in ground state redundancy. These are in the UV/EUV range, but the upper end of that range can be called “soft x-rays” -even if that is misleading, in a way. Mills claims the energy comes from the electron orbitals of the catalyst “holes”. This does not mean that RM got everything right however, and Robin has already made a few changes of note (on his site) that seem to work better. As to applying or integrating Mills to other theories, at least in the context of the dynamics of redundant orbitals and UV emission, this has been largely avoided except by Arie de Geus (deceased). There is always room for compromise however, if one is not tied too closely to either camp. In an evolving theory of RPF, it dawns on me just now that it is possible to merge with a partial Mills explanation… so here goes. First, the reaction has chemical dynamics which proceed somewhat as Mills suggests, but instead of the energy coming from loss of electron momentum (angular momentum) the energy comes directly from mass-to-energy conversion in the proton nucleus via magnons. In fact, it is the “shrinkage” of the orbital that provides the asymmetry which is needed in RPF in order to extract net energy from a neutral reaction - which can be either endothermic or exothermic in QCD. RPF can then be described as providing first the endotherm to allow for the shrinkage, with then the exotherm is coming immediately thereafter from magnon coupling, instead of UV. There could be a bit of both. Hey, I could almost convince myself that this is a good fit. The best evidence for this, and possibly a partial proof, would come from a finding that there is not nearly enough UV to provide the excess heat which is seen, and secondly that the heat seen is via inductive coupling (requiring a ferromagnetic matrix). Thanks for the segue. Jones From: Eric Walker Where did you get the idea that soft x-rays were not harmful? In fact they are deadly, but not instantly deadly, if that makes them slightly less problematic. The thought did occur to me after I pressed send that given a sufficient flux, you could end up cooking yourself before too long. My remarks about soft x-rays were ambiguous -- I could have meant that they do not pose safety concerns when shielded by the kind of housing that a reactor will typically have, or I could have meant that they are benign in general. My actual meaning was to suggest that they might be benign in general (without shielding). As someone who knows nothing about nuclear physics, I feel at liberty to make one or two embarrassing comments. ;) Sterling Allan, whom you quote - is a tireless PR person and promoter in the PT Barnum tradition - but not a scientist. Even Hadjichristos, listed as CTO of Defkalion has given no indication of being literate in several important scientific fields. My apologies for the confusion -- I didn't intend to offer Allan or Hadjichristos as authorities. The quote was meant to provide another data point and does not give anything to base any conclusions on. But it is interesting to note that if the quote is half accurate, Defkalion's description of the reaction is still consistent (?) with there being copious soft x-rays that are being blocked by the housing of the reactor. Eric attachment: winmail.dat
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This interview is a little annoying. Let me summarize large parts of it: * There is a large market for energy. * People use energy for many different purposes. Yes, we know. - Jed
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a) re radiation- DGT has published data )ICCF-17) they obtain some gamma, of 30-150 keV B) re Jones' statement *Sterling Allan, whom you quote - is a tireless PR person and promoter in the PT Barnum tradition - but not a scientist. Even Hadjichristos, listed as CTO of Defkalion has given no indication of being literate in several important scientific fields.* Perhaps it would be better to focus on the relevant things and NOT to confound the points of view. Better see (wait for) the facts and not discuss about people. Sterling's interview is, IMHO, excellent, adequate questions and a good logical structure The answers of Alex show clearly what is the strategy of DGT, and it iis a very reasonable stratefy, I think. As regarding Yiannis he has told many times that he is a newcomer in the field, that he has learned from the LENR literature including what to NOT do It is possible he is not a guru in some scientific fields (?), however please do not forget that he is working for LENR+ enhanced excess energy not Pd D LENR. And he is very skilled in physics of interest for this problem, engineering, technology, materials science, understands complexity, non-linearity, multi-sequential phenomena.etc. He (DGT) is ready to collaborate with the best, open minded scientists of our community. DGT builds a technology, however they are very interested in a good, meta-theory of the field. Peter On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Where did you get the idea that soft x-rays were not harmful? In fact they are deadly, but not instantly deadly, if that makes them slightly less problematic. The thought did occur to me after I pressed send that given a sufficient flux, you could end up cooking yourself before too long. My remarks about soft x-rays were ambiguous -- I could have meant that they do not pose safety concerns when shielded by the kind of housing that a reactor will typically have, or I could have meant that they are benign in general. My actual meaning was to suggest that they might be benign in general (without shielding). As someone who knows nothing about nuclear physics, I feel at liberty to make one or two embarrassing comments. ;) Sterling Allan, whom you quote - is a tireless PR person and promoter in the PT Barnum tradition - but not a scientist. Even Hadjichristos, listed as CTO of Defkalion has given no indication of being literate in several important scientific fields. My apologies for the confusion -- I didn't intend to offer Allan or Hadjichristos as authorities. The quote was meant to provide another data point and does not give anything to base any conclusions on. But it is interesting to note that if the quote is half accurate, Defkalion's description of the reaction is still consistent (?) with there being copious soft x-rays that are being blocked by the housing of the reactor. Eric -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Jones, Your theory below might explain also what Rossi has told a bit 2 years ago: Some xRay are absorbed. Some EM fields are escaping his eCat. Moreover, in Pedrodragon, Rossi used Nickel, Hydrogen in the Bergius process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergius_process). Sodium, potassium, and magnesium were also compounds that were fetching the Bergius reactor. Similarly Mills uses Sodium or potassium to create the hydrinos. How the Celani's wire can be fitted into this theory ? Arnaud _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: samedi 6 avril 2013 21:29 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:April 2013 Defkalion GT Interview Eric, Defkalion's description of the reaction is still consistent with there being copious soft x-rays that arebeing blocked by the housing of the reactor Yes - you have probably heard Robin and myself and a few others suggesting that the EUV spectrum is the most likely source of energetic radiation that will be seen in any Ni-H reaction which resembles Mills. And all of them do resemble Mills/BLP - at least AFAIK. Mills was seeing UV 20 years ago, so it is not new. Some few gammas can probably be seen when redundancy becomes extreme, but he says that most of the output is UV. Mills has never reported gammas, it should be noted... but then again, he has turned a blind eye to anything which is suggestive of a nuclear explanation. This UV radiation spectrum is because of the Rydberg energy multiples of 27.2 eV, 54.4 eV, and 108.8 eV etc. which happen in ground state redundancy. These are in the UV/EUV range, but the upper end of that range can be called soft x-rays -even if that is misleading, in a way. Mills claims the energy comes from the electron orbitals of the catalyst holes. This does not mean that RM got everything right however, and Robin has already made a few changes of note (on his site) that seem to work better. As to applying or integrating Mills to other theories, at least in the context of the dynamics of redundant orbitals and UV emission, this has been largely avoided except by Arie de Geus (deceased). There is always room for compromise however, if one is not tied too closely to either camp. In an evolving theory of RPF, it dawns on me just now that it is possible to merge with a partial Mills explanation... so here goes. First, the reaction has chemical dynamics which proceed somewhat as Mills suggests, but instead of the energy coming from loss of electron momentum (angular momentum) the energy comes directly from mass-to-energy conversion in the proton nucleus via magnons. In fact, it is the shrinkage of the orbital that provides the asymmetry which is needed in RPF in order to extract net energy from a neutral reaction - which can be either endothermic or exothermic in QCD. RPF can then be described as providing first the endotherm to allow for the shrinkage, with then the exotherm is coming immediately thereafter from magnon coupling, instead of UV. There could be a bit of both. Hey, I could almost convince myself that this is a good fit. The best evidence for this, and possibly a partial proof, would come from a finding that there is not nearly enough UV to provide the excess heat which is seen, and secondly that the heat seen is via inductive coupling (requiring a ferromagnetic matrix). Thanks for the segue. Jones From: Eric Walker Where did you get the idea that soft x-rays were not harmful? In fact they are deadly, but not instantly deadly, if that makes them slightly less problematic. The thought did occur to me after I pressed send that given a sufficient flux, you could end up cooking yourself before too long. My remarks about soft x-rays were ambiguous -- I could have meant that they do not pose safety concerns when shielded by the kind of housing that a reactor will typically have, or I could have meant that they are benign in general. My actual meaning was to suggest that they might be benign in general (without shielding). As someone who knows nothing about nuclear physics, I feel at liberty to make one or two embarrassing comments. ;) Sterling Allan, whom you quote - is a tireless PR person and promoter in the PT Barnum tradition - but not a scientist. Even Hadjichristos, listed as CTO of Defkalion has given no indication of being literate in several important scientific fields. My apologies for the confusion -- I didn't intend to offer Allan or Hadjichristos as authorities. The quote was meant to provide another data point and does not give anything to base any conclusions on. But it is interesting to note that if the quote is half accurate, Defkalion's description of the reaction is still consistent (?) with there being copious soft x-rays that are being blocked by the housing of the reactor. Eric
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How the Celani's wire can be fitted into this theory ? The hydrino theory is invalid. In reference to my recent post: how gamma radiation is thermalized Micro cavities provide BEC in hot spots. The degree of thermalization is proportional to the degree of BEC establishment in the cavities on the surface of the wire. The reduction of resistance in the wire is also proportional the BEC establishment and associated proportional heat production. On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.bewrote: Jones, Your theory below might explain also what Rossi has told a bit 2 years ago: Some xRay are absorbed. Some EM fields are escaping his eCat. Moreover, in Pedrodragon, Rossi used Nickel, Hydrogen in the Bergius process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergius_process). Sodium, potassium, and magnesium were also compounds that were fetching the Bergius reactor. Similarly Mills uses Sodium or potassium to create the hydrinos. How the Celani's wire can be fitted into this theory ? Arnaud _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: samedi 6 avril 2013 21:29 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:April 2013 Defkalion GT Interview Eric, Defkalion's description of the reaction is still consistent with there being copious soft x-rays that arebeing blocked by the housing of the reactor Yes - you have probably heard Robin and myself and a few others suggesting that the EUV spectrum is the most likely source of energetic radiation that will be seen in any Ni-H reaction which resembles Mills. And all of them do resemble Mills/BLP - at least AFAIK. Mills was seeing UV 20 years ago, so it is not new. Some few gammas can probably be seen when redundancy becomes extreme, but he says that most of the output is UV. Mills has never reported gammas, it should be noted... but then again, he has turned a blind eye to anything which is suggestive of a nuclear explanation. This UV radiation spectrum is because of the Rydberg energy multiples of 27.2 eV, 54.4 eV, and 108.8 eV etc. which happen in ground state redundancy. These are in the UV/EUV range, but the upper end of that range can be called soft x-rays -even if that is misleading, in a way. Mills claims the energy comes from the electron orbitals of the catalyst holes. This does not mean that RM got everything right however, and Robin has already made a few changes of note (on his site) that seem to work better. As to applying or integrating Mills to other theories, at least in the context of the dynamics of redundant orbitals and UV emission, this has been largely avoided except by Arie de Geus (deceased). There is always room for compromise however, if one is not tied too closely to either camp. In an evolving theory of RPF, it dawns on me just now that it is possible to merge with a partial Mills explanation... so here goes. First, the reaction has chemical dynamics which proceed somewhat as Mills suggests, but instead of the energy coming from loss of electron momentum (angular momentum) the energy comes directly from mass-to-energy conversion in the proton nucleus via magnons. In fact, it is the shrinkage of the orbital that provides the asymmetry which is needed in RPF in order to extract net energy from a neutral reaction - which can be either endothermic or exothermic in QCD. RPF can then be described as providing first the endotherm to allow for the shrinkage, with then the exotherm is coming immediately thereafter from magnon coupling, instead of UV. There could be a bit of both. Hey, I could almost convince myself that this is a good fit. The best evidence for this, and possibly a partial proof, would come from a finding that there is not nearly enough UV to provide the excess heat which is seen, and secondly that the heat seen is via inductive coupling (requiring a ferromagnetic matrix). Thanks for the segue. Jones From: Eric Walker Where did you get the idea that soft x-rays were not harmful? In fact they are deadly, but not instantly deadly, if that makes them slightly less problematic. The thought did occur to me after I pressed send that given a sufficient flux, you could end up cooking yourself before too long. My remarks about soft x-rays were ambiguous -- I could have meant that they do not pose safety concerns when shielded by the kind of housing that a reactor will typically have, or I could have meant that they are benign in general. My actual meaning was to suggest that they might be benign in general (without shielding). As someone who knows nothing about nuclear physics, I feel at liberty to make one or two embarrassing comments. ;) Sterling Allan, whom you quote - is a tireless PR person and promoter in the PT Barnum tradition - but not a scientist. Even Hadjichristos
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Most interesting. This is a provocative observation that the Petrodragon reactor used the Bergius process, Arnaud. It would be even more interesting if we knew for sure what catalysts specifically that Rossi was using there. All of the transition metals listed in the Wiki entry on Bergius are Mills catalysts. Molybdenum, in fact, is the closest fit of all transition metals to 27.2 under Mills Theory - when it goes from Mo2+ - Mo3+ (27.13 eV) and the sulfides would facilitate that ionic transition since they are so reactive with hydrogen. For instance, if we knew for sure that Rossi was adding MoS2 - which is a commonly used catalyst in the petrochemical industry (but better known as a dry lubricant), then that is strong indication that this particular catalyst found its way into the E-Cat (along with scrap rubber ??) There is a fair chance that Andrea Rossi discovered the heat anomaly first with the Petrodragon reactor before moving on to a smaller version. I have never heard this particular suggestion voiced before now, but it makes sense, no? The E-cat is simply a little Petrodragon reactor. LOL. That would explain its very crude construction in the first models, and the large amount of exterior gunk seen on them. If you have ever used molybdenum disulfide, you know what I am talking about. _ From: Arnaud Kodeck Jones, Your theory below might explain also what Rossi has told a bit 2 years ago: Some xRay are absorbed. Some EM fields are escaping his eCat. Moreover, in Pedrodragon, Rossi used Nickel, Hydrogen in the Bergius process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergius_process). Sodium, potassium, and magnesium were also compounds that were fetching the Bergius reactor. Similarly Mills uses Sodium or potassium to create the hydrinos. How the Celani's wire can be fitted into this theory ? Arnaud _ From: Jones Beene Eric, Defkalion's description of the reaction is still consistent with there being copious soft x-rays that are being blocked by the housing of the reactor Yes - you have probably heard Robin and myself and a few others suggesting that the EUV spectrum is the most likely source of energetic radiation that will be seen in any Ni-H reaction which resembles Mills. And all of them do resemble Mills/BLP - at least AFAIK. Mills was seeing UV 20 years ago, so it is not new. Some few gammas can probably be seen when redundancy becomes extreme, but he says that most of the output is UV. Mills has never reported gammas, it should be noted... but then again, he has turned a blind eye to anything which is suggestive of a nuclear explanation. This UV radiation spectrum is because of the Rydberg energy multiples of 27.2 eV, 54.4 eV, and 108.8 eV etc. which happen in ground state redundancy. These are in the UV/EUV range, but the upper end of that range can be called soft x-rays -even if that is misleading, in a way. Mills claims the energy comes from the electron orbitals of the catalyst holes. This does not mean that RM got everything right however, and Robin has already made a few changes of note (on his site) that seem to work better. As to applying or integrating Mills to other theories, at least in the context of the dynamics of redundant orbitals and UV emission, this has been largely avoided except by Arie de Geus (deceased). There is always room for compromise however, if one is not tied too closely to either camp. In an evolving theory of RPF, it dawns on me just now that it is possible to merge with a partial Mills explanation... so here goes. First, the reaction has chemical dynamics which proceed somewhat as Mills suggests, but instead of the energy coming from loss of electron momentum (angular momentum) the energy comes directly from mass-to-energy conversion in the proton nucleus via magnons. In fact, it is the shrinkage of the orbital that provides the asymmetry which is needed in RPF in order to extract net energy from a neutral reaction - which can be either endothermic or exothermic in QCD. RPF can then be described as providing first the endotherm to allow for the shrinkage, with then the exotherm is coming immediately thereafter from magnon coupling, instead of UV. There could be a bit of both. Hey, I could almost convince myself that this is a good fit. The best evidence for this, and possibly a partial proof, would come from a finding that there is not nearly enough UV to provide the excess heat which is seen, and secondly that the heat seen is via inductive coupling (requiring a ferromagnetic matrix). Thanks for the segue. Jones From: Eric Walker Where did you get the idea that soft x-rays were not
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In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 6 Apr 2013 16:26:55 -0400: Hi, [snip] The hydrino theory is invalid. Oh, well, that explains everything. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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Hello Axil, I just send an article about the theory of R.Mills to vortex. It was an attachment so it is probably rejected. I thought about that only after I send it to vortex. If you are interested I can send it to you. The article is called: The fallacy of Feynman's and related arguments on the stability of the hydrogen atom according to quantum mechanics. Peter van Noorden the Netherlands
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The evidence that Miles provides is spectroscopic. The blue shifts that Mills sites are due to polariton far field frequency emanations from a micro cavity or grain boundary.Hydrinos violate the rules of quantum mechanics. On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:47 PM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nlwrote: ** Hello Axil, I just send an article about the theory of R.Mills to vortex. It was an attachment so it is probably rejected. I thought about that only after I send it to vortex. If you are interested I can send it to you. The article is called: The fallacy of Feynman’s and related arguments on the stability of the hydrogen atom according to quantum mechanics. Peter van Noorden the Netherlands
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For a description of how polariton blue shift happen See http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CDIQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uam.es%2Fpersonal_pdi%2Fciencias%2Ffmarchet%2FFrancesca%2520Marchetti's%2520Home%2520Files%2FLund_talk.pdfei=0p5gUdfVG6TL0gGWg4GICgusg=AFQjCNGwkkiHUCS2kcE28fE7epI4bmIeYQsig2=7_NKE_qSwoAPu33BhOe8Pw Polaritons in Disordered Microcavities: blue-shift, phase diagram Rayleigh scattering On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The evidence that Miles provides is spectroscopic. The blue shifts that Mills sites are due to polariton far field frequency emanations from a micro cavity or grain boundary.Hydrinos violate the rules of quantum mechanics. On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:47 PM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nlwrote: ** Hello Axil, I just send an article about the theory of R.Mills to vortex. It was an attachment so it is probably rejected. I thought about that only after I send it to vortex. If you are interested I can send it to you. The article is called: The fallacy of Feynman’s and related arguments on the stability of the hydrogen atom according to quantum mechanics. Peter van Noorden the Netherlands
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Hello Axil, Do you really think that QM is the end of the story? How is it possible that an electron can circle around a positive H atom and not radiate. That is only possible when you postulate nonradiation. This is a very unscientific way of explaining. Peter - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:April 2013 Defkalion GT Interview The evidence that Miles provides is spectroscopic. The blue shifts that Mills sites are due to polariton far field frequency emanations from a micro cavity or grain boundary. Hydrinos violate the rules of quantum mechanics. On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:47 PM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote: Hello Axil, I just send an article about the theory of R.Mills to vortex. It was an attachment so it is probably rejected. I thought about that only after I send it to vortex. If you are interested I can send it to you. The article is called: The fallacy of Feynman’s and related arguments on the stability of the hydrogen atom according to quantum mechanics. Peter van Noorden the Netherlands
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Rossi could have seen some strange excess heat behavior of its Petrodragon reactor. Then he decided to look at it a bit more in details (without especially looking for a LENR reaction). The rubber (which contains a lot of Sulfur) was a fetch of its Petrodragon reactor. I'm just speculating here. Did Rossi need a lubricant in the petrodragon reactor? Were there moving parts? In a Defkalion presentation, I remember that there was a dashboard in the background of a picture. In that board, a hexavalent look like molecule was designed. Could it be H6S? I'm speculating as well here. _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: samedi 6 avril 2013 23:08 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:April 2013 Defkalion GT Interview Most interesting. This is a provocative observation that the Petrodragon reactor used the Bergius process, Arnaud. It would be even more interesting if we knew for sure what catalysts specifically that Rossi was using there. All of the transition metals listed in the Wiki entry on Bergius are Mills catalysts. Molybdenum, in fact, is the closest fit of all transition metals to 27.2 under Mills Theory - when it goes from Mo2+ - Mo3+ (27.13 eV) and the sulfides would facilitate that ionic transition since they are so reactive with hydrogen. For instance, if we knew for sure that Rossi was adding MoS2 - which is a commonly used catalyst in the petrochemical industry (but better known as a dry lubricant), then that is strong indication that this particular catalyst found its way into the E-Cat (along with scrap rubber ??) There is a fair chance that Andrea Rossi discovered the heat anomaly first with the Petrodragon reactor before moving on to a smaller version. I have never heard this particular suggestion voiced before now, but it makes sense, no? The E-cat is simply a little Petrodragon reactor. LOL. That would explain its very crude construction in the first models, and the large amount of exterior gunk seen on them. If you have ever used molybdenum disulfide, you know what I am talking about. _ From: Arnaud Kodeck Jones, Your theory below might explain also what Rossi has told a bit 2 years ago: Some xRay are absorbed. Some EM fields are escaping his eCat. Moreover, in Pedrodragon, Rossi used Nickel, Hydrogen in the Bergius process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergius_process). Sodium, potassium, and magnesium were also compounds that were fetching the Bergius reactor. Similarly Mills uses Sodium or potassium to create the hydrinos. How the Celani's wire can be fitted into this theory ? Arnaud _ From: Jones Beene Eric, Defkalion's description of the reaction is still consistent with there being copious soft x-rays that are being blocked by the housing of the reactor Yes - you have probably heard Robin and myself and a few others suggesting that the EUV spectrum is the most likely source of energetic radiation that will be seen in any Ni-H reaction which resembles Mills. And all of them do resemble Mills/BLP - at least AFAIK. Mills was seeing UV 20 years ago, so it is not new. Some few gammas can probably be seen when redundancy becomes extreme, but he says that most of the output is UV. Mills has never reported gammas, it should be noted... but then again, he has turned a blind eye to anything which is suggestive of a nuclear explanation. This UV radiation spectrum is because of the Rydberg energy multiples of 27.2 eV, 54.4 eV, and 108.8 eV etc. which happen in ground state redundancy. These are in the UV/EUV range, but the upper end of that range can be called soft x-rays -even if that is misleading, in a way. Mills claims the energy comes from the electron orbitals of the catalyst holes. This does not mean that RM got everything right however, and Robin has already made a few changes of note (on his site) that seem to work better. As to applying or integrating Mills to other theories, at least in the context of the dynamics of redundant orbitals and UV emission, this has been largely avoided except by Arie de Geus (deceased). There is always room for compromise however, if one is not tied too closely to either camp. In an evolving theory of RPF, it dawns on me just now that it is possible to merge with a partial Mills explanation... so here goes. First, the reaction has chemical dynamics which proceed somewhat as Mills suggests, but instead of the energy coming from loss of electron momentum (angular momentum) the energy comes directly from mass-to-energy conversion in the proton nucleus via magnons. In fact, it is the shrinkage of the orbital that provides the asymmetry which is needed in RPF in order to extract net energy from a neutral
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http://arxiv.org/pdf/0704.0631v2 Orthogonality criterion for banishing hydrino states from standard quantum mechanics QED On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nlwrote: ** Hello Axil, Do you really think that QM is the end of the story? How is it possible that an electron can circle around a positive H atom and not radiate. That is only possible when you postulate nonradiation. This is a very unscientific way of explaining. Peter - Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 07, 2013 12:14 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:April 2013 Defkalion GT Interview The evidence that Miles provides is spectroscopic. The blue shifts that Mills sites are due to polariton far field frequency emanations from a micro cavity or grain boundary.Hydrinos violate the rules of quantum mechanics. On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:47 PM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nlwrote: ** Hello Axil, I just send an article about the theory of R.Mills to vortex. It was an attachment so it is probably rejected. I thought about that only after I send it to vortex. If you are interested I can send it to you. The article is called: The fallacy of Feynman’s and related arguments on the stability of the hydrogen atom according to quantum mechanics. Peter van Noorden the Netherlands
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2645159/posts TESTING VALIDATES HYDRINO THEORY “Working with a team headed by Dr. Alexander Bykanov at Harvard's Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics under contract with GEN3 Partners, the device showed hydrogen spectral emissions below 80 nanometers, the previously known ground state of hydrogen. Scientists formerly believed there could be no parts of the hydrogen atom smaller than the atom itself. This is decisive evidence of the existence of hydrinos as Dr. Randell Mills theoretically predicted, the BlackLight Power press release said. Hydrinos are a fractional element of hydrogen that skeptics in the world of quantum physics previously said could not exist. “This is smoking-gun evidence of the existence of hydrinos, Dr. Mills said. The light signature observed is from pure hydrogen and exists at a much higher energy level than deemed possible for this element in any known form.” But suppose there is another way to blue shift the hydrogen spectrum that Mills is not aware of; a plasmonic way. Could his world view be in jeopardy? On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nlwrote: ** Hello Axil, Do you really think that QM is the end of the story? How is it possible that an electron can circle around a positive H atom and not radiate. That is only possible when you postulate nonradiation. This is a very unscientific way of explaining. Peter - Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 07, 2013 12:14 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:April 2013 Defkalion GT Interview The evidence that Miles provides is spectroscopic. The blue shifts that Mills sites are due to polariton far field frequency emanations from a micro cavity or grain boundary.Hydrinos violate the rules of quantum mechanics. On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:47 PM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nlwrote: ** Hello Axil, I just send an article about the theory of R.Mills to vortex. It was an attachment so it is probably rejected. I thought about that only after I send it to vortex. If you are interested I can send it to you. The article is called: The fallacy of Feynman’s and related arguments on the stability of the hydrogen atom according to quantum mechanics. Peter van Noorden the Netherlands
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Oops my mistake - sulfur does form a rather notable hexavalent compound with fluorine _ From: Jones Beene Molybdenum is hexavalent --- but sulfur is not (5). _ From: Arnaud Kodeck In a Defkalion presentation, I remember that there was a dashboard in the background of a picture. In that board, a hexavalent look like molecule was designed. Could it be H6S? I'm speculating as well here. _ _ From: Jones Beene Most interesting. This is a provocative observation that the Petrodragon reactor used the Bergius process, Arnaud. It would be even more interesting if we knew for sure what catalysts specifically that Rossi was using there. All of the transition metals listed in the Wiki entry on Bergius are Mills catalysts. Molybdenum, in fact, is the closest fit of all transition metals to 27.2 under Mills Theory - when it goes from Mo2+ - Mo3+ (27.13 eV) and the sulfides would facilitate that ionic transition since they are so reactive with hydrogen. For instance, if we knew for sure that Rossi was adding MoS2 - which is a commonly used catalyst in the petrochemical industry (but better known as a dry lubricant), then that is strong indication that this particular catalyst found its way into the E-Cat (along with scrap rubber ??) There is a fair chance that Andrea Rossi discovered the heat anomaly first with the Petrodragon reactor before moving on to a smaller version. I have never heard this particular suggestion voiced before now, but it makes sense, no? The E-cat is simply a little Petrodragon reactor. LOL. That would explain its very crude construction in the first models, and the large amount of exterior gunk seen on them. If you have ever used molybdenum disulfide, you know what I am talking about. attachment: winmail.dat
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On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Hydrinos violate the rules of quantum mechanics. Randell Mills would be the first to agree with you on that. But which is invalid would be a point of discussion. ;-)
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On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: Hello group, Defkalion GT CEO Alex Xanthoulis agreed to be interviewed by Sterling D. Allan of PESN regarding the company's current status and future plans, and won't be giving any more information to the mainstream media until August, when DGT will be presented to the public (with a live demo) during NIWeek 2013 [1]. Article here: http://pesn.com/2013/04/04/**9602290_Defkalion-laying-low-** preparing-to-make-a-big-**splash/http://pesn.com/2013/04/04/9602290_Defkalion-laying-low-preparing-to-make-a-big-splash/ Audio recording of the interview: http://m.podshow.com/media/**1049/episodes/327524/pesn-** 327524-04-05-2013.mp3http://m.podshow.com/media/1049/episodes/327524/pesn-327524-04-05-2013.mp3 Cheers, S.A. [1] http://www.ni.com/niweek/ First of all an example of good strategic management. NOT doing useless things as wasting time with the Press before it is the proper time for this, is wise. DGT can lack many things but has an abundance of problems of all kind and that's normal for a technological breakthrough of this magnitude. Sterling has done a great job, excellent choice of the answerable quiestions Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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This article does not shy away from making big claims about Defkalion's technology in development. In a different connection, there was this from Sterling Allan, which pertains to the discussion about gammas: Even though transmutation is a nuclear process, it is not a dangerous one. One US Company tested the Defkalion technology for about six months and reported that there was no harmful radiation emitted whatsoever (they thoroughly tested the full spectrum), and that only some gamma rays are emitted during the reaction -- but no more than you get from a household toaster -- well within safety limits. And sometimes, it doesn't even emit any harmless gamma radiation while it is operating -- puzzling the scientists who haven't yet figured that one out, who think that with every transmutation event there should be a gamma emission. I will point out that no harmful radiation does not necessarily exclude soft x-rays, unless I'm mistaken about their being benign. Eric
