Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
Dave-- Here is a direct link..Bob http://coldfusionnow.org/a-russian-experiment-high-temperature-nickel-natural-hydrogen-by-michael-c-h-mckubre/ - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ? I am having difficulty finding a copy of the report by Dr. McKubre for some reason and wonder if someone would post a direct link. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Jan 14, 2015 1:56 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ? Jones-- I observed the the same thing in the picture provided by McKubre in his current evaluation of the test in Infinite Energy #119. An observation reported by Storms via McKubre's report questions the report in that the temperature measured at the center by the T/C does not seem to respond like it should with increased power density during the production of excess energy per the report. (Cold Fusion Now also has McKubre's report.) From the picture it looks like the temperature is not uniform along the reactor axis but has more of a sign wave configuration along the axis with hotter spots nearer the ends. There is only one T/C and this may only be an illusion. However, There may be a standing wave of Li atoms controlling the reaction with their density being the controlling parameter. I guess the varying energy production along the axis could also be the result of other parameters that control the reaction like a magnetic field or nodes in a standing sonic wave. This could explain the concern Storms had relative to the temperature and energy density correlation. KcKubre's report is excellent. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:27 PM Subject: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ? There have a number of comments about images from the Parkhomov/Rossi reactors which appear to show dark wires in front of a brightly glowing background. Yet we know that these wires should be strongly incandescent (unless the photo was taken immediately after the current was turned off) and if the wires are powered, they will be glowing so brightly by themselves that they should not be seen as dark, even if the interior of the reactor were brighter than the wires themselves. There is no evidence that the current was off - so we should look for other explanations. Another explanation which has not been voiced till now is the dark matter in operation explanation J If dark matter can be defined as hydrogen in the Deep Dirac Level the lowest orbital, and there is recent evidence from Cosmology that this could be the case, then we can explain the dark wires as being actively shielded. The mechanism for that shielding could go something like this: Hydrogen in the DDL is greatly reduced in diameter so that it cannot be contained by the ceramic - and the isomer atoms would diffuse through the alumina (which is a dielectric) as soon as they are formed. This species would also be strongly paramagnetic and thus attracted to a current carrying wire. Therefore, it can be proposed that a very thin layer of DDL possibly only a few atoms in thickness would attach to the wires uniformly, following which they would actually become dark in the sense of strongly blocked in the visible spectra but emitting photons which are invisible (soft x-rays) or not. But it makes for an interesting hypothesis.
Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
Dave, Try this: http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue120/russian.html Bob On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, David Roberson wrote: > I am having difficulty finding a copy of the report by Dr. McKubre for > some reason and wonder if someone would post a direct link. > > Dave > >
Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
I am having difficulty finding a copy of the report by Dr. McKubre for some reason and wonder if someone would post a direct link. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Jan 14, 2015 1:56 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ? Jones-- I observed the the same thing in the picture provided by McKubre in his current evaluation of the test in Infinite Energy #119. An observation reported by Storms via McKubre's report questions the report in that the temperature measured at the center by the T/C does not seem to respond like it should with increased power density during the production of excess energy per the report. (Cold Fusion Now also has McKubre's report.) From the picture it looks like the temperature is not uniform along the reactor axis but has more of a sign wave configuration along the axis with hotter spots nearer the ends. There is only one T/C and this may only be an illusion. However, There may be a standing wave of Li atoms controlling the reaction with their density being the controlling parameter. I guess the varying energy production along the axis could also be the result of other parameters that control the reaction like a magnetic field or nodes in a standing sonic wave. This could explain the concern Storms had relative to the temperature and energy density correlation. KcKubre's report is excellent. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:27 PM Subject: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ? There have a number of comments about images from the Parkhomov/Rossi reactors which appear to show dark wires in front of a brightly glowing background. Yet we know that these wires should be strongly incandescent (unless the photo was taken immediately after the current was turned off) and if the wires are powered, they will be glowing so brightly by themselves that they should not be seen as dark, even if the interior of the reactor were brighter than the wires themselves. There is no evidence that the current was off - so we should look for other explanations. Another explanation which has not been voiced till now is the dark matter in operation explanation J If dark matter can be defined as hydrogen in the Deep Dirac Level the lowest orbital, and there is recent evidence from Cosmology that this could be the case, then we can explain the dark wires as being actively shielded. The mechanism for that shielding could go something like this: Hydrogen in the DDL is greatly reduced in diameter so that it cannot be contained by the ceramic - and the isomer atoms would diffuse through the alumina (which is a dielectric) as soon as they are formed. This species would also be strongly paramagnetic and thus attracted to a current carrying wire. Therefore, it can be proposed that a very thin layer of DDL possibly only a few atoms in thickness would attach to the wires uniformly, following which they would actually become dark in the sense of strongly blocked in the visible spectra but emitting photons which are invisible (soft x-rays) or not. But it makes for an interesting hypothesis.
RE: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
-Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher > Don't trust uncalibrated photographs. The exposure is most likely set for the brightest area, and anything less bright will appear dark. Think sunspots. Alan ... good point but it does not go far enough ... since "prior assumptions" enter the picture as well. In fact, the filament of a clear 60 watt lightbulb is visible in photograph, appearing "black" as opposed to looking at the bulb- or as compared to a frosted bulb, where the filament is not visible. Yet we know for a fact that the filament is where the heat is produced. This provides a lesson, of sorts - for Parkhomov. It is incorrect to assume that the windings in a Parkhomov tube are "cooler" than the interior, since like the photo of the light bulb - we are dealing with assumption, not facts. Moreover ... in thinking about sunspots, vis-à-vis lightbulbs where the power which can be represented by brightness in the visible spectrum, the standard explanation for sunspots may yet benefit from an understanding of dark matter. Dark matter (assuming it is real) could actually bolster the DDL perspective, when this parameter becomes integrated into the big picture, which includes the sun. It is all based on prior assumptions which may not be accurate at any point in time, once another modality is accepted. But as for the original post - it was a bit tongue-in-cheek and was posted to show that we have no real understanding of the thermodynamics here, nor of the light emission dynamics. In addition, the only way we can measure the lower apparent temperature of a sunspot is by relative photon emission, which of course creates its own logical error (aka: circular reasoning). In fact the sunspot could appear colder - but be hotter in fact - if its emission spectrum has shifted to soft x-rays. We only know that sunspots are regions of the solar surface where the magnetic field becomes localized and highly concentrated, by three orders of magnitude of more. These are massive magnetic fields. Light emission interacts with magnetism - as this image illustrates: http://tinyurl.com/pt58ocv Thus the magnetic field could be hiding the "real temperature" of sunspots since much of the photon emission is vectored differently. This is similar to the situation in the Parkhomov tube, where the wires carry a magnetic field. Since we know that the emittance of visible light can be altered by the activity of a magnetic field (and by SPP formation where a weak field is converted to a strong field) what appears to be "cooler" may not indicate a decrease in temperature - but could represent a decrease in entropy. The main point is that what we consider "visible" may not reflect the underlying energy involved if the higher energy release comes in the form of invisible x-rays, or if the light is vectored differently. True - standard physics now says that unequivocally that sunspots are lower in temperature, but... temperture can only be measure by photon emittance which assumes no local magnetic field to distort the measurement. It is a fascinating subject, and the implications will grow with every new replication. I think that this month we will see more efforts like that of Jack Clark, and from others overseas, perhaps in Europe and Asia, and that each new finding can add something to our understanding, so long as we take the time to analyze it properly. This could be a very interesting New Year. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
One thing I can add to McKubre's report that he left open is a response from Dr. Parkhomov to MFMP when asked about the power input to the heater coil. Dr. AP: *"Standard 50Hz AC [*presumably variable voltage*] with no other frequency stimulation/wave chopping was used"* On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > Jones-- > > I observed the the same thing in the picture provided by McKubre in his > current evaluation of the test in Infinite Energy #119. An observation > reported by Storms via McKubre's report questions the report in that the > temperature measured at the center by the T/C does not seem to respond like > it should with increased power density during the production of excess > energy per the report. (Cold Fusion Now also has McKubre's report.) >
Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
Hydrinos are practically noble gases -- chemically inert. There is some reason to believe that the very smallest may be small enough to mask the coulomb barrier so those would be "dangerous" if they activated the wrong nuclei. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > Hydrogen in the DDL is greatly reduced in diameter so that it cannot be >> contained by the ceramic - and the isomer atoms would diffuse through the >> alumina (which is a dielectric) as soon as they are formed. >> > > These hydrinos sound quite dangerous. > > Eric > >
Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
When analyzing the Parkhomov image, one thing you should note is that he wound his reactor with a Ni-Cr (type-c) ribbon wire (not round) having a width of about 2.5mm and a gap of 0.5mm. Bob Higgins On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > Jones-- > > I observed the the same thing in the picture provided by McKubre in his > current evaluation of the test in Infinite Energy #119. An observation > reported by Storms via McKubre's report questions the report in that the > temperature measured at the center by the T/C does not seem to respond like > it should with increased power density during the production of excess > energy per the report. (Cold Fusion Now also has McKubre's report.) > > From the picture it looks like the temperature is not uniform along the > reactor axis but has more of a sign wave configuration along the axis with > hotter spots nearer the ends. There is only one T/C and this may only be > an illusion. > > However, There may be a standing wave of Li atoms controlling the reaction > with their density being the controlling parameter. I guess the varying > energy production along the axis could also be the result of other > parameters that control the reaction like a magnetic field or nodes in > a standing sonic wave. > > This could explain the concern Storms had relative to the temperature and > energy density correlation. > > KcKubre's report is excellent. > > Bob Cook > > - Original Message - > *From:* Jones Beene > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:27 PM > *Subject:* [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ? > > There have a number of comments about images from the Parkhomov/Rossi > reactors which appear to show dark wires in front of a brightly glowing > background. > > > > Yet … we know that these wires should be strongly incandescent (unless the > photo was taken immediately after the current was turned off)… and if the > wires are powered, they will be glowing so brightly by themselves that they > should not be seen as dark, even if the interior of the reactor were > brighter than the wires themselves. There is no evidence that the current > was off - so we should look for other explanations. > > > > Another explanation which has not been voiced till now –is the “dark > matter in operation” explanation J > > > > If “dark matter” can be defined as hydrogen in the Deep Dirac Level – the > lowest orbital, and there is recent evidence from Cosmology that this could > be the case, then we can explain the dark wires as being actively shielded. > The mechanism for that shielding could go something like this: Hydrogen in > the DDL is greatly reduced in diameter so that it cannot be contained by > the ceramic - and the isomer atoms would diffuse through the alumina (which > is a dielectric) as soon as they are formed. This species would also be > strongly paramagnetic and thus attracted to a current carrying wire. > Therefore, it can be proposed that a very thin layer of DDL –possibly only > a few atoms in thickness would attach to the wires uniformly, following > which they would actually become “dark” in the sense of strongly blocked in > the visible spectra but emitting photons which are invisible (soft x-rays)… > > > > … or not. But it makes for an interesting hypothesis. > >
Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
At 09:27 PM 1/13/2015, Jones Beene wrote: There have a number of comments about images from the Parkhomov/Rossi reactors which appear to show dark wires in front of a brightly glowing background. Yet we know that these wires should be strongly incandescent (unless the photo was taken immediately after the current was turned off) and if the wires are powered, they will be glowing so brightly by themselves that they should not be seen as dark, even if the interior of the reactor were brighter than the wires themselves. There is no evidence that the current was off - so we should look for other explanations. Don't trust uncalibrated photographs. The exposure is most likely set for the brightest area, and anything less bright will appear dark. Think sunspots.
Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
More I bet that one of the functions that Rossi has implemented in his heater control box is to keep the power constant in the face of the onset of superconductivity in his heater. The TPR2 testers did not report trouble keeping power flow to the heater constant. If superconductivity is setting in to the heater, it will be difficult to keep the input heat constant without some sort of compensating power supply. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > If a superconductive state is manifest in the hearer wire that is not > adjusted for by the power supply, the heater will not produce the constant > heat from electrical resistance as expected. This could be the reason why > there is oscillation in the heat produced in the reactor in several alumina > tube experiments as a superconductive state begins to damp itself by > cooling the heater and the reaction as the reaction first starts to take > hold.. > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:56 AM, Bob Cook wrote: > >> Jones-- >> >> I observed the the same thing in the picture provided by McKubre in his >> current evaluation of the test in Infinite Energy #119. An observation >> reported by Storms via McKubre's report questions the report in that the >> temperature measured at the center by the T/C does not seem to respond like >> it should with increased power density during the production of excess >> energy per the report. (Cold Fusion Now also has McKubre's report.) >> >> From the picture it looks like the temperature is not uniform along the >> reactor axis but has more of a sign wave configuration along the axis with >> hotter spots nearer the ends. There is only one T/C and this may only be >> an illusion. >> >> However, There may be a standing wave of Li atoms controlling the >> reaction with their density being the controlling parameter. I guess the >> varying energy production along the axis could also be the result of other >> parameters that control the reaction like a magnetic field or nodes in >> a standing sonic wave. >> >> This could explain the concern Storms had relative to the temperature and >> energy density correlation. >> >> KcKubre's report is excellent. >> >> Bob Cook >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Jones Beene >> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:27 PM >> *Subject:* [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ? >> >> There have a number of comments about images from the Parkhomov/Rossi >> reactors which appear to show dark wires in front of a brightly glowing >> background. >> >> >> >> Yet … we know that these wires should be strongly incandescent (unless >> the photo was taken immediately after the current was turned off)… and if >> the wires are powered, they will be glowing so brightly by themselves that >> they should not be seen as dark, even if the interior of the reactor were >> brighter than the wires themselves. There is no evidence that the current >> was off - so we should look for other explanations. >> >> >> >> Another explanation which has not been voiced till now –is the “dark >> matter in operation” explanation J >> >> >> >> If “dark matter” can be defined as hydrogen in the Deep Dirac Level – the >> lowest orbital, and there is recent evidence from Cosmology that this could >> be the case, then we can explain the dark wires as being actively shielded. >> The mechanism for that shielding could go something like this: Hydrogen in >> the DDL is greatly reduced in diameter so that it cannot be contained by >> the ceramic - and the isomer atoms would diffuse through the alumina (which >> is a dielectric) as soon as they are formed. This species would also be >> strongly paramagnetic and thus attracted to a current carrying wire. >> Therefore, it can be proposed that a very thin layer of DDL –possibly only >> a few atoms in thickness would attach to the wires uniformly, following >> which they would actually become “dark” in the sense of strongly blocked in >> the visible spectra but emitting photons which are invisible (soft x-rays)… >> >> >> >> … or not. But it makes for an interesting hypothesis. >> >> >
Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
If a superconductive state is manifest in the hearer wire that is not adjusted for by the power supply, the heater will not produce the constant heat from electrical resistance as expected. This could be the reason why there is oscillation in the heat produced in the reactor in several alumina tube experiments as a superconductive state begins to damp itself by cooling the heater and the reaction as the reaction first starts to take hold.. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:56 AM, Bob Cook wrote: > Jones-- > > I observed the the same thing in the picture provided by McKubre in his > current evaluation of the test in Infinite Energy #119. An observation > reported by Storms via McKubre's report questions the report in that the > temperature measured at the center by the T/C does not seem to respond like > it should with increased power density during the production of excess > energy per the report. (Cold Fusion Now also has McKubre's report.) > > From the picture it looks like the temperature is not uniform along the > reactor axis but has more of a sign wave configuration along the axis with > hotter spots nearer the ends. There is only one T/C and this may only be > an illusion. > > However, There may be a standing wave of Li atoms controlling the reaction > with their density being the controlling parameter. I guess the varying > energy production along the axis could also be the result of other > parameters that control the reaction like a magnetic field or nodes in > a standing sonic wave. > > This could explain the concern Storms had relative to the temperature and > energy density correlation. > > KcKubre's report is excellent. > > Bob Cook > > - Original Message - > *From:* Jones Beene > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:27 PM > *Subject:* [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ? > > There have a number of comments about images from the Parkhomov/Rossi > reactors which appear to show dark wires in front of a brightly glowing > background. > > > > Yet … we know that these wires should be strongly incandescent (unless the > photo was taken immediately after the current was turned off)… and if the > wires are powered, they will be glowing so brightly by themselves that they > should not be seen as dark, even if the interior of the reactor were > brighter than the wires themselves. There is no evidence that the current > was off - so we should look for other explanations. > > > > Another explanation which has not been voiced till now –is the “dark > matter in operation” explanation J > > > > If “dark matter” can be defined as hydrogen in the Deep Dirac Level – the > lowest orbital, and there is recent evidence from Cosmology that this could > be the case, then we can explain the dark wires as being actively shielded. > The mechanism for that shielding could go something like this: Hydrogen in > the DDL is greatly reduced in diameter so that it cannot be contained by > the ceramic - and the isomer atoms would diffuse through the alumina (which > is a dielectric) as soon as they are formed. This species would also be > strongly paramagnetic and thus attracted to a current carrying wire. > Therefore, it can be proposed that a very thin layer of DDL –possibly only > a few atoms in thickness would attach to the wires uniformly, following > which they would actually become “dark” in the sense of strongly blocked in > the visible spectra but emitting photons which are invisible (soft x-rays)… > > > > … or not. But it makes for an interesting hypothesis. > >
Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
Jones-- I observed the the same thing in the picture provided by McKubre in his current evaluation of the test in Infinite Energy #119. An observation reported by Storms via McKubre's report questions the report in that the temperature measured at the center by the T/C does not seem to respond like it should with increased power density during the production of excess energy per the report. (Cold Fusion Now also has McKubre's report.) >From the picture it looks like the temperature is not uniform along the >reactor axis but has more of a sign wave configuration along the axis with >hotter spots nearer the ends. There is only one T/C and this may only be an >illusion. However, There may be a standing wave of Li atoms controlling the reaction with their density being the controlling parameter. I guess the varying energy production along the axis could also be the result of other parameters that control the reaction like a magnetic field or nodes in a standing sonic wave. This could explain the concern Storms had relative to the temperature and energy density correlation. KcKubre's report is excellent. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:27 PM Subject: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ? There have a number of comments about images from the Parkhomov/Rossi reactors which appear to show dark wires in front of a brightly glowing background. Yet . we know that these wires should be strongly incandescent (unless the photo was taken immediately after the current was turned off). and if the wires are powered, they will be glowing so brightly by themselves that they should not be seen as dark, even if the interior of the reactor were brighter than the wires themselves. There is no evidence that the current was off - so we should look for other explanations. Another explanation which has not been voiced till now -is the "dark matter in operation" explanation J If "dark matter" can be defined as hydrogen in the Deep Dirac Level - the lowest orbital, and there is recent evidence from Cosmology that this could be the case, then we can explain the dark wires as being actively shielded. The mechanism for that shielding could go something like this: Hydrogen in the DDL is greatly reduced in diameter so that it cannot be contained by the ceramic - and the isomer atoms would diffuse through the alumina (which is a dielectric) as soon as they are formed. This species would also be strongly paramagnetic and thus attracted to a current carrying wire. Therefore, it can be proposed that a very thin layer of DDL -possibly only a few atoms in thickness would attach to the wires uniformly, following which they would actually become "dark" in the sense of strongly blocked in the visible spectra but emitting photons which are invisible (soft x-rays). . or not. But it makes for an interesting hypothesis.
Re: [Vo]:Dark wires in glowing reactor ?
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Hydrogen in the DDL is greatly reduced in diameter so that it cannot be > contained by the ceramic - and the isomer atoms would diffuse through the > alumina (which is a dielectric) as soon as they are formed. > These hydrinos sound quite dangerous. Eric
