Re: [Vo]:Morton experiment
In reply to Kyle Mcallister's message of Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:21:33 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] 1. If it is overpressure, why isn't it going out the easier path, between the PVC pipe and the steel sphere? It is not air tight...there's a decent gap there that one could stick a screwdriver in. Much lower air resistance there. 2. How does the air impulse, if that is what it is, maintain coherence over a distance, in such an apparently beamlike fashion? Is this like the old WHAM-O air vortex launchers? 3. Put some smoke in the tube and see what comes out? Smoke rings? Put smoke around the device as it fires, an see what way things are moved around? [snip] ...all sounds good to me. If it turns out not to be air, then you might try putting different types of material in front of it, to see if there are some it will pass through. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Morton experiment
Kyle Mcallister wrote: Hi, Okay, as per Horace's suggestion, made a crude spherical (er...kind of spherical) terminal out of two mixing bowls. Didn't go to WalMart, as that place frightens me, so I got them from Kmart. Duct taped them together at the seams, so as to make a crude corona seal. It works very well, actually. Fed by the HV terminal (negative WRT ground in this supply), it charges up with little leakage. Will jump a 2-3 gap to a flat metal plate. Sparks are intense, almost pure white with tinges of blue. Very loud, like a .22cal firing. !!! This power supply is not a toy !!! Power supply is a 6 stage (or 3 depending on how you look at it) full-wave Cockroft-Walton multiplier. Input is 10kV 23mA from a 'liberated' oil burner ignition transformer. Capacitors are .009uF each. Ground (0V) is to the center tap of the HV winding of the transformer, common to the center input of the multiplier stack, common to house ground, I'm curious -- why is common grounded? Seems like a hand placed too near it would reward you with holes blown through the soles of your shoes as a result, no? Wouldn't it be safer to let the hot parts of the rig float? NB -- If the answer to this is, Because that's how the experiment works, stupid -- didn't you read the paper? then I confess in advance that, no, I don't think I did, and I'm not even sure where this is written up. A link would be appreciated (and I realize the info is surely already in the Vortex archives but, well, another post of a link would still be appreciated).
Re: [Vo]:Morton experiment
--- mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Kyle Mcallister's message of Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:58:55 -0700 (PDT): [snip] I thought that in Podkletnov's experiment the device was a superconductor, and that the electron pairs in the superconductor were mandatory to getting an effect? The SC isn't required, supposedly. This is sort of a different experiment using normal conductors. The effect may be related, as John Berry speculates. Assuming of course that the effect even exists, and isn't just another dogless tail. --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:Morton experiment
--- Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: I'm curious -- why is common grounded? Seems like a hand placed too near it would reward you with holes blown through the soles of your shoes as a result, no? Wouldn't it be safer to let the hot parts of the rig float? A few reasons why common is grounded: 1. The case of the transformer is hardwired internally (inside the potting mixture) to the transformer's case. Given the proximity of the 120VAC winding, the core, and the case-connected centertap of the HV winding, it is easier on the transformer to have things not wandering around. 2. Safe? Forgot what that word means. :) 3. It firmly establishes the sphere as 'definitely negative' and everything else around it as 'definitely not so negative'. That might be important. Hmmm. Now this might be interesting to try. Make the sphere negative, ground common, and break out the sister power supply producing +HV. Make the target plate positive, ground the common of that multiplier. Double your pleasure, double your fun? written up. A link would be appreciated (and I realize the info is surely already in the Vortex archives but, well, another post of a link would still be appreciated). http://amasci.com/freenrg/morton1.html http://amasci.com/freenrg/mort2.txt You have to wade through some tenuous 'stuff' to get to what the 'effect' is supposed to be. I'm not investigating Morton's other claims, just the basic one. I try to pick up the most interesting bag, and leave the rest of the matched(?) luggage for another day. Same way with the 'amplified capacitor' circuits of Greg Hodowanec. Leave Mars out of it for now, just try and see what my 'scope can tell me. --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:Morton experiment
All, Another update. Didn't get as much done today as I'd like, as I did end up getting pretty sick. Nevertheless, here's what I did and what I found. I took the original 'target' plate, connected to ground, and shielded it with a 7.75 square sheet of .125 plexiglass. A 1/2 hole was drilled in the center of the plexi, with the 1/4 hole in the (4x4) steel target plate centering in it. On the plexiglass side, the 2 length of 3/4 PVC pipe was glued with industrial hot-melt glue. The open end of the pipe was propped against the steel HV sphere, the target plate once again connected to ground. Sparks now reliably fire through the PVC tube, through the hole in the plexi, and strike the steel plate. The flash of the spark is enough to make the PVC pipe glow brightly, and the edges of the plexi fluoresce. There *is* a force produced in very narrow beam extending from the hole in the steel plate. It can be felt up to about 18 away, and is very narrow, perhaps only one to three times the diameter of the 1/4 hole in the steel plate. However; it does NOT pass through my one hand into the other (as far as I can feel). As far as I can tell, and there is I admit more testing required, it is a pulse of air blown out due to the spark momentarily increasing the pressure within the tube. Unresolved issues: 1. If it is overpressure, why isn't it going out the easier path, between the PVC pipe and the steel sphere? It is not air tight...there's a decent gap there that one could stick a screwdriver in. Much lower air resistance there. 2. How does the air impulse, if that is what it is, maintain coherence over a distance, in such an apparently beamlike fashion? Is this like the old WHAM-O air vortex launchers? 3. Put some smoke in the tube and see what comes out? Smoke rings? Put smoke around the device as it fires, an see what way things are moved around? 4. My replication is flawed, I now see. Morton clearly drew the spark going out of the tube, curling over, and then striking the plate. The hole in the steel plate thus should be BIGGER than the hole in the plexi spark shield. I'll have to try this and see what happens. 5. Try with the positive supply? If no force from the hole, then is something else going on? --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:Morton experiment
In reply to Kyle Mcallister's message of Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:41:44 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] The SC isn't required, supposedly. This is sort of a different experiment using normal conductors. The effect may be related, as John Berry speculates. Assuming of course that the effect even exists, and isn't just another dogless tail. [snip] ...well Tesla reported an effect with wires (sorry can't remember the exact circumstances), so perhaps it's not out of question. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Morton experiment
In reply to Kyle Mcallister's message of Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:58:55 -0700 (PDT): Hi Kyle, [snip] In case anyone's wondering, I can do the same thing with +HV, I have an identical multiplier supply. But the suggestion from John Schnurer to Bill B. back in the day was that only a negative charged sphere works. Otherwise the supposed anomalous force is reversed and weak. [snip] I thought that in Podkletnov's experiment the device was a superconductor, and that the electron pairs in the superconductor were mandatory to getting an effect? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
