Re: [Vo]:Magnetic viscosity question: generating a harmonic frequency
From Hoyt: Very interesting speculation. Thanks. From tests I have done, Sv can be from microseconds to seconds depending on the material. It's on the order of a millisecond for Nd2Fe14B. Hoyt Stearns Thanks, Hoyt, From microseconds to seconds. Wow! That's a huge range! I would seem logical to assume that the majority of the Neodymium family of PMs would share, roughly speaking, the same viscotic characteristics - on the order of a millisecond or so. This is just a guess on my part, but I would speculate that ferric and ceramic PMs are likely to cycle much more slowly than Neodymium PMs - on the order approaching a second. I wonder if the size of the PM can make a difference as well. Would you agree, or not. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:John Lear Interview
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 2:49 PM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking is the best way to travel. Amazing coincidence. Just this weekend I was breadboarding a preamp for my turntable so that I could listen to In Search of the Lost Chord since: 1) I only have it on vinyl and 2) My new receiver has no phono input. My grandson was fascinated that you could get music from the black piece of plastic without a laser. :-) Terry The Best Way To Travel (Mike Pinder) And you can fly High as a kite if you want to Faster than light if you want to Speeding through the universe Thinking is the best way to travel It's all a dream Light passing by on the screen And there's you and I on the beam Speeding through the universe Thinking is the best way to travel We ride the waves Distance is gone, will we find out? How life bean, will be find out? Speeding through the universe Thinking is the best way to travel And you can fly High as a kite if you want to Faster than light if you want to Speeding through the universe Thinking is the best way to travel
Re: [Vo]:Magnetic viscosity question: generating a harmonic frequency
I think this issue was addressed by an experiment in fizzx.com, a spin-off of the Steorn forum. It would have been in one of the Whipmag threads. If I have time today, I'll see if I can find it. Terry On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:12 PM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope I am posing this question concerning the characteristics of magnetic properties using proper terminology. My apologies up front if not. The following two questions are related to each other: (1) Does anyone know how fast magnetic viscosity on average tends to propagate (or cycle) through various kinds of permanent magnetic material? Hundredths of a second? Milliseconds? Microseconds? Faster or slower??? (2) Is it theoretically possible to generate a viscosity induced HARMONIC frequency in a permanent magnet. I'm speculating on whether an amplified harmonic effect could be generated by a carefully applied external frequency, such as an external EM field set to a specific frequency, or perhaps through an assembly of rapidly spinning permanent magnets such as one finds in a spinning wheel. I'm speculating on whether it's possible if certain externally induced EM frequencies might enhance the viscotic migratory effect within certain permanent magnet materials. It's analogous to how lasers produce light through a buildup of specific EM harmonic frequencies within the crystal that ultimately produces a strong coherent beam of light. PERSONAL THOUGHTS: If specific harmonic magnetic viscosity fields can be enhanced or possibly amplified within certain PM materials the implications could be interesting. One of the reason's I'm posing this question in Vortex is that there are various You-tube videos I've seen out in the public domain that hint (at least to me) of the possibility that the user may have accidentally stumbled across for a brief period of time just the right magnetic viscosity induced frequency that caused their magnetic assembly/contraption to spin up for a few brief dramatic seconds. However, because they really don't know what they are doing it's all very unstable and soon the assembly eventually gets out-of-phase, harmonically speaking, causing the assembly to grind to a halt. From what I can tell, visually speaking, I don't think the sudden rotational increase is due to an unconscious manual pumping of the PMs introduced (unintentionally) into the configuration by the user. The spinning I've seen occurs where the user is no longer manually influencing the configuration. The contraption is spinning freely on its own for a few brief seconds. Of course, this is all just conjecture on my part. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Re: Britain reveals UFO documents
Hi Robin, Wild guess... hydrinos ;) Do you have a specific url for this project? Michel - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Britain reveals UFO documents In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Sun, 18 May 2008 17:08:24 +0200: Hi Michel, [snip] P.S. Since no-one seems to have bit yet... do tell us more about that 2k COP reactor design please! [snip] A prototype could in my estimation be constructed and tested by a team of a few people in about a year. The materials and equipment requirements are trivial. If you have ever visited my web site, or followed my posts here, then you already have a fair idea what it is based on. I just took the basic principles a step further and incorporated them into a device that may or may not work. If it doesn't, well it won't have cost a great deal, so little is lost. If it does, then I suspect that everyone on this forum already knows what it would mean for the planet. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:Steve Greer's Mr. Q
See Steven Greer's new Orion Project http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2008/05/orion-project-uncovers-new-inventor.html http://tinyurl.com/3mp7xv The web site gives me the impression that they are attempting to piggyback on STEORN's recent 15 minutes of ORBO fame. There are photos but they reveal nothing of the actual configuration. Pretty useless as far as fact gathering goes. Great lightning bolt decals though. We have a mysterious new inventor named Mr. Q. Perhaps he got tired of 007's juvenile antics. Anyone care to comment? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:HyLENR : was: Britain reveals UFO documents
--- Michel (to Robin) Do you have a specific url for this project? Here is some information from Robin's site which points to what he is proposing, but apparently the details of an actual device have not been finalized: http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/Molecular%20Hydrino%20Fusion.htm Basically - you will notice that the concept crosses the dividing line (which was always a silly cop-out, from either perspective) between the hydrino and LENR. Jones
Re: [Vo]:John Lear Interview
Terry sez: 1) I only have it on vinyl and I got Lost Chord on CD. Vinyl is better. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Magnetic viscosity question: generating a harmonic frequency
From Terry Blanton: I think this issue was addressed by an experiment in fizzx.com, a spin-off of the Steorn forum. It would have been in one of the Whipmag threads. If I have time today, I'll see if I can find it. Much appreciated, Terry. Let us know if you find the appropriate links. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Re: HyLENR : was: Britain reveals UFO documents
I agree that if hydrinos exist, they are an easy explanation for cold fusion. The problem IMHO is that it is too easy maybe, shouldn't we expect hydrinos or deuterinos to fuse systematically, even in non-CF conditions? Michel - Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: [Vo]:HyLENR : was: Britain reveals UFO documents --- Michel (to Robin) Do you have a specific url for this project? Here is some information from Robin's site which points to what he is proposing, but apparently the details of an actual device have not been finalized: http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/Molecular%20Hydrino%20Fusion.htm Basically - you will notice that the concept crosses the dividing line (which was always a silly cop-out, from either perspective) between the hydrino and LENR. Jones
[Vo]:Chlorine photo-reactivity
Here is a pale green musing on a possible route to overunity based on a reappraisal of Mills' CQM. [pale green as in the color of chlorine] Subtitled: waste-to-wonderful FACT: High resolution photoabsorption spectra of hydrogen chloride gas (HCl) have measured the chlorine K edge in the 28102850 eV photon energy range. ref below. FACT: If a gamma (x-ray) photon is made available in the middle of this range, say it is 2829-2830 eV... and say it is derived from nuclear reactor waste which has been alloyed with certain re-emitter dilutents (like scandium) in order to maximize photon radiation in this range... (i.e. waste is from concentrated spent reactor fuel, which was formerly called high level waste - but may soon be called 2nd generation fuel ;-) LOGICAL SUPPOSITION: ... strikes a hydrogen chloride molecule, then the result is that the gamma should be resonant to knock-out one of the k shell electrons occasionally. ALMOST MILLSEAN: Mills has never claimed that chlorine is hydrino catalyst- and for good reason. It isn't one under normal conditions. Let us hypothesize, in a warped version of the CQM tradition, that the free proton of that HCL molecule, or even one in an adjoining molecule, will be poised to capture this emitted k-shell electron of ~2830 eV which was knocked out by the gamma - since that value does represents a redundant ground state in CQM. If this were pure Millsean theory, the M.O. would operate the other way around, and it would be the resultant k-shell hole which would be filled with a monatomic H atom, which is unlikely to be present. Ergo, the above scenario is an alternative explanation, based on Mills theory, but also is absolutely contrary to anything Mills has published heretofore, or in any of his patents. EVEN MORE UNMILLSEAN: The Mössbauer limited chain reaction: Following the initial electron dislodging and recapture, a soft gamma of the exact same energy level will be then be released from that capture; following which, in a Mössbauer-like fashion, there follows a limited chain reaction of resonant soft x-rays of ~2830 eV depending on the population of HCL which can be accommodated in such a device It so happens that - in a warped variation of Mills CQM hypothesis - this value ~2830 eV corresponds to a shrinkage level of 104. That is: 104 x 27.2 = ~2829 eV Hmmm... nuclear waste being converted to high energy fuel ... Lemons from lemonade? ... or if we want to keep things pale green, how about: limes to limeade? Jones BTW- a fellow name Scragg anticipated the HCl reactor 24 years ago, based on his understanding of what George Kistiakowsky had done in the Manhattan project, and patented a version of it: US Patent # 4,426,354 Ref: Chlorine K shell photoabsorption spectra of gas phase HCl and Cl2 molecules Zeitschrift für Physik D Volume 17, Number 4 / December, 1990
Re: [Vo]:Re: HyLENR : was: Britain reveals UFO documents
--- Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that if hydrinos exist, they are an easy explanation for cold fusion. The problem IMHO is that it is too easy maybe, shouldn't we expect hydrinos or deuterinos to fuse systematically, even in non-CF conditions? Not really. IMHO both situation are *QM reactions* and require precise, but differing, tunneling or capture conditions. Even under precise conditions: QM = *low probability* ... and the main advantage of deuterium is that the charge of the nucleus is partly shielded by the neutron and therefore may have a higher probability of participation in certain reactions which differ from those of protium. I have been reading Mills' and Stolper's (Mills' biographer and a recommended book)... objections to this cross-identity with LENR and find the objections unconvincing, and more of a public relations gesture than anything else (and understandable from that perspective) ... but it is clear that Mills' supporters think that he can do no wrong, and refuse to believe that he could be (at once) mostly correct and significantly incorrect. Same for the other side. Jones
[Vo]:Re: HyLENR : was: Britain reveals UFO documents
Particle physics = QM, so QM reactions means... reactions, right? What I mean is: D nuclei in ambient conditions D2 has some non-zero fusion rate. The nuclei of a D-deuterino molecule must have a much higher fusion rate due to the low orbit screening electron. How much higher, Robin, do you know? Wouldn't it be so much higher that significant fusion would have been noticed everywhere such a molecule is supposed to form? Michel - Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: HyLENR : was: Britain reveals UFO documents --- Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that if hydrinos exist, they are an easy explanation for cold fusion. The problem IMHO is that it is too easy maybe, shouldn't we expect hydrinos or deuterinos to fuse systematically, even in non-CF conditions? Not really. IMHO both situation are *QM reactions* and require precise, but differing, tunneling or capture conditions. Even under precise conditions: QM = *low probability* ... and the main advantage of deuterium is that the charge of the nucleus is partly shielded by the neutron and therefore may have a higher probability of participation in certain reactions which differ from those of protium. I have been reading Mills' and Stolper's (Mills' biographer and a recommended book)... objections to this cross-identity with LENR and find the objections unconvincing, and more of a public relations gesture than anything else (and understandable from that perspective) ... but it is clear that Mills' supporters think that he can do no wrong, and refuse to believe that he could be (at once) mostly correct and significantly incorrect. Same for the other side. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Steve Greer's Mr. Q
Steven, If Ted Loder is involved and Mr. Q's heroes include Bedini and Bearden, I'd stay far away from it. Sounds like Greer is getting desperate to justify doing nothing with his investors' money for so long. cheers - George Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] OrionWorks wrote: See Steven Greer's new Orion Project http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2008/05/orion-project-uncovers-new-inventor.html http://tinyurl.com/3mp7xv The web site gives me the impression that they are attempting to piggyback on STEORN's recent 15 minutes of ORBO fame. There are photos but they reveal nothing of the actual configuration. Pretty useless as far as fact gathering goes. Great lightning bolt decals though. We have a mysterious new inventor named Mr. Q. Perhaps he got tired of 007's juvenile antics. Anyone care to comment? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Steve Greer's Mr. Q
From George Hathaway: Steven, If Ted Loder is involved and Mr. Q's heroes include Bedini and Bearden, I'd stay far away from it. Sounds like Greer is getting desperate to justify doing nothing with his investors' money for so long. cheers - George Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the website mentions that they will unveil the details of their latest prototype on June 20. Stay tuned. Same bat time. Same bat channel. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Steve Greer's Mr. Q
M International, LLC (Sprain's company) will seek to verify OU performance of the Adams/Cole/Bedini/et.al. pulsed motor configuration. So far, noone that I can find has measured the torque of such a motor directly. Most attempts use two batteries, one to charge, one to drive the pulses, and claim OU. Preliminary results tend to indicate that a pulsed motor could be slightly OU with a COP around 1.2. One of our participants thinks this relates to the magnetocaloric effect (MCE), a well-understood process. Maximizing this effect could possibly result in some type of entropy engine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_refrigeration Unfortunately, this is low on the research priority list; although, the hardware is built, but we are manpower limited. Since a lot of this is already in the public domain, I will likely be allowed to post results when we get them. Terry On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 2:31 PM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From George Hathaway: Steven, If Ted Loder is involved and Mr. Q's heroes include Bedini and Bearden, I'd stay far away from it. Sounds like Greer is getting desperate to justify doing nothing with his investors' money for so long. cheers - George Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the website mentions that they will unveil the details of their latest prototype on June 20. Stay tuned. Same bat time. Same bat channel. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Re: Britain reveals UFO documents
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Wed, 21 May 2008 15:16:47 +0200: Hi, Hi Robin, Wild guess... hydrinos ;) Do you have a specific url for this project? No, I'm silly enough to believe that I may actually be able to make some money out of it before making it public. ;) [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:HyLENR : was: Britain reveals UFO documents
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 21 May 2008 08:17:45 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] --- Michel (to Robin) Do you have a specific url for this project? Here is some information from Robin's site which points to what he is proposing, but apparently the details of an actual device have not been finalized: http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/Molecular%20Hydrino%20Fusion.htm This is related, but not exactly what I have in mind. Furthermore, the device design is almost finalized, only a few minor alterations may need to be made to incorporate existing technology. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:Re: HyLENR : was: Britain reveals UFO documents
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Wed, 21 May 2008 19:01:34 +0200: Hi, [snip] Particle physics = QM, so QM reactions means... reactions, right? What I mean is: D nuclei in ambient conditions D2 has some non-zero fusion rate. The nuclei of a D-deuterino molecule must have a much higher fusion rate due to the low orbit screening electron. How much higher, Robin, do you know? I posted an email to this forum recently with a formula for you to play with. ;) Wouldn't it be so much higher that significant fusion would have been noticed everywhere such a molecule is supposed to form? Individual molecules are extremely small, and even individual fusion events release very little energy on a human scale. Consider that there are many thousands of K-40 decay events taking place in your body every second, yet you are completely oblivious to this. IOW even nuclear events need to happen on a considerable scale before we notice them. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:Chlorine photo-reactivity
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 21 May 2008 09:22:01 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] It so happens that - in a warped variation of Mills CQM hypothesis - this value ~2830 eV corresponds to a shrinkage level of 104. That is: 104 x 27.2 = ~2829 eV I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, but the energy released during Hydrino shrinkage is p^2 x 13.6 eV, if one includes your assumption that the electron comes from infinitely far away (rather than from the ground state of H), where p is the final level. Hence 2830 eV would correspond to a p value of about 14, not 104, however 14^2 x 13.598 = 2665.208 eV and 15^2 x 13.598 = 3059.55 eV. BTW this capture notion is very similar to that proposed by Ed Storms. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:Chlorine photo-reactivity
--- Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Hence 2830 eV would correspond to a p value of about 14 not 104 ...right you are - in Mills accounting. I was using the Hartree energy in the way that Arie de Geuss proposes, but that is mixing of metaphors, so to speak, and is my mistake ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartree BTW this capture notion is very similar to that proposed by Ed Storms. Which is a good sign - as it is entirely possible that Mills got most of it right, but not all of it; and in fact, there could be differing M.O.s depending on the magnitude of the initial shrinkage... (i.e. whether it is step-wise or extreme) I still wish that the K-shell value for chlorine worked for both the Mills and Hartree view... too bad... although you have proposed a more Millsean M.O. that could work for chlorine in a situation where monatomic H was available. Jones
