Re: Keychain issue?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Brian,

Try starting iTunes in Safe Mode:
1. Hold down Command+Option and click to open iTunes (this will open in Safe 
Mode)
Continue holding the Command and Option keys until you see the iTunes Safe Mode 
warning:

Starting iTunes in Safe Mode allows you to be able to check things and follow 
prompts that iTunes shows you. It allows iTunes to download and update iTunes 
components.
Safe Mode disables any non generic plugins / add-ons etc, allowing iTunes to go 
back to bare operating basics.

I'll try to get back to you tomorrow sometime.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 31 Mar 2014, at 7:42 pm, Brian Risbey  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni,
> iTunes is not giving an error message,
> 
> Grey candy bar and then 1/3 of a grey progress bar then a white page.
> 
> Where would I look for an error message?
> 
> Brian
> 
> P.S.
> Console report:
> 31/03/2014 7:37:16.049 pm iTunes[831]: Entered:_AMMuxedDeviceDisconnected, 
> mux-device:4
> 31/03/2014 7:37:16.049 pm iTunes[831]: 
> Entered:__thr_AMMuxedDeviceDisconnected, mux-device:4
> 31/03/2014 7:37:16.049 pm iTunes[831]: tid:1e80b - Mux ID not found in 
> mapping dictionary
> 31/03/2014 7:37:16.049 pm iTunes[831]: tid:1e80b - Can't handle disconnect 
> with invalid ecid
> 31/03/2014 7:37:18.701 pm iTunes[831]: Entered:_AMMuxedDeviceDisconnected, 
> mux-device:5
> 31/03/2014 7:37:18.702 pm iTunes[831]: 
> Entered:__thr_AMMuxedDeviceDisconnected, mux-device:5
> 31/03/2014 7:37:18.702 pm iTunes[831]: tid:1d553 - Mux ID not found in 
> mapping dictionary
> 31/03/2014 7:37:18.702 pm iTunes[831]: tid:1d553 - Can't handle disconnect 
> with invalid ecid
> 31/03/2014 7:37:25.906 pm sandboxd[333]: ([842]) assistantd(842) deny 
> file-read-data /Library/Frameworks/TSLicense.framework/Versions/A/TSLicense
> 31/03/2014 7:37:34.978 pm iTunes[831]: ApplePushService: APSConnection being 
> used without a delegate queue
> 31/03/2014 7:37:34.980 pm apsd[63]: Certificate not yet generated
> 31/03/2014 7:37:34.980 pm apsd[63]: Certificate not yet generated
> 31/03/2014 7:37:34.981 pm apsd[63]: Certificate not yet generated
> 31/03/2014 7:38:07.866 pm iTunes[831]: CFNetwork SSLHandshake failed (-9806)
> 31/03/2014 7:38:50.427 pm iTunes[831]: CFNetwork SSLHandshake failed (-9806)
> 31/03/2014 7:39:04.597 pm iTunes[831]: CFNetwork SSLHandshake failed (-9806)
> 31/03/2014 7:39:04.600 pm iTunes[831]: CFNetwork SSLHandshake failed (-9806)
> 31/03/2014 7:39:47.281 pm iTunes[831]: CFNetwork SSLHandshake failed (-9806)
> 
> 
> On 31 Mar 2014, at 5:55 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> I did mention to you very early in your post that it could be a Keychain 
> issue.
> /begin quote:
> What 'connection error' are you receiving when you try to connect to iTunes 
> Store?
> This could be a Keychain issue, but before I can give any instructions I 
> require more info please.
> 
> Some of the errors you might be receiving include:
> 
> iTunes can't verify the identity of the server init.itunes.apple.com 
> iTunes can't verify the identity of the server buy.itunes.apple.com 
> iTunes can't verify the identity of the server radio.itunes.apple.com 
> /End Quote
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
>> On 31 Mar 2014, at 5:27 pm, Brian Risbey  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All
>> 
>> Further to iTunes and Safari issue... form a fortnight ago.
>> If I cannot:
>> open iTunes Store from within iTunes,
>> cannot open Commbank from Safari ( but can in Firefox and do banking), 
>> cannot open App Store, though Apple website is lightning fast now.
>> can watch youtube so buffering large files isn't an issue.
>> can internet at the appropriate speed and send and  receive mail,
>> could I have a Keychain issue?
>> Spent over an hour this morning to Bigpond ( Philippines!) checking issues 
>> with modem - all sorted, 
>> 
>> I have turned 'Growl' off (incase it was playing keepy-out games ),and
>> reloaded OSX 10.9.2 Combo from saved .dmg installer. No Change/ improvement 
>> to Safari (7.02). 
>> Safari only has 1Password extension running.
>> There are no restrictions on my internet account or slowing due to excessive 
>> use. 
>> 
>> So, I believe it is software related.
>> 
>> Brian
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[Brian Risbey]

Hi Ronni,
iTunes is not giving an error message,

Grey candy bar and then 1/3 of a grey progress bar then a white page.

Where would I look for an error message?

Brian

P.S.
Console report:
31/03/2014 7:37:16.049 pm iTunes[831]: Entered:_AMMuxedDeviceDisconnected, 
mux-device:4
31/03/2014 7:37:16.049 pm iTunes[831]: Entered:__thr_AMMuxedDeviceDisconnected, 
mux-device:4
31/03/2014 7:37:16.049 pm iTunes[831]: tid:1e80b - Mux ID not found in mapping 
dictionary
31/03/2014 7:37:16.049 pm iTunes[831]: tid:1e80b - Can't handle disconnect with 
invalid ecid
31/03/2014 7:37:18.701 pm iTunes[831]: Entered:_AMMuxedDeviceDisconnected, 
mux-device:5
31/03/2014 7:37:18.702 pm iTunes[831]: Entered:__thr_AMMuxedDeviceDisconnected, 
mux-device:5
31/03/2014 7:37:18.702 pm iTunes[831]: tid:1d553 - Mux ID not found in mapping 
dictionary
31/03/2014 7:37:18.702 pm iTunes[831]: tid:1d553 - Can't handle disconnect with 
invalid ecid
31/03/2014 7:37:25.906 pm sandboxd[333]: ([842]) assistantd(842) deny 
file-read-data /Library/Frameworks/TSLicense.framework/Versions/A/TSLicense
31/03/2014 7:37:34.978 pm iTunes[831]: ApplePushService: APSConnection being 
used without a delegate queue
31/03/2014 7:37:34.980 pm apsd[63]: Certificate not yet generated
31/03/2014 7:37:34.980 pm apsd[63]: Certificate not yet generated
31/03/2014 7:37:34.981 pm apsd[63]: Certificate not yet generated
31/03/2014 7:38:07.866 pm iTunes[831]: CFNetwork SSLHandshake failed (-9806)
31/03/2014 7:38:50.427 pm iTunes[831]: CFNetwork SSLHandshake failed (-9806)
31/03/2014 7:39:04.597 pm iTunes[831]: CFNetwork SSLHandshake failed (-9806)
31/03/2014 7:39:04.600 pm iTunes[831]: CFNetwork SSLHandshake failed (-9806)
31/03/2014 7:39:47.281 pm iTunes[831]: CFNetwork SSLHandshake failed (-9806)








On 31 Mar 2014, at 5:55 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:

Hi Brian,

I did mention to you very early in your post that it could be a Keychain issue.
/begin quote:
What 'connection error' are you receiving when you try to connect to iTunes 
Store?
This could be a Keychain issue, but before I can give any instructions I 
require more info please.

Some of the errors you might be receiving include:

iTunes can't verify the identity of the server init.itunes.apple.com 
iTunes can't verify the identity of the server buy.itunes.apple.com 
iTunes can't verify the identity of the server radio.itunes.apple.com 
/End Quote

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


On 31 Mar 2014, at 5:27 pm, Brian Risbey  wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> Further to iTunes and Safari issue... form a fortnight ago.
> If I cannot:
> open iTunes Store from within iTunes,
> cannot open Commbank from Safari ( but can in Firefox and do banking), 
> cannot open App Store, though Apple website is lightning fast now.
> can watch youtube so buffering large files isn't an issue.
> can internet at the appropriate speed and send and  receive mail,
> could I have a Keychain issue?
> Spent over an hour this morning to Bigpond ( Philippines!) checking issues 
> with modem - all sorted, 
> 
> I have turned 'Growl' off (incase it was playing keepy-out games ),and
> reloaded OSX 10.9.2 Combo from saved .dmg installer. No Change/ improvement 
> to Safari (7.02). 
> Safari only has 1Password extension running.
> There are no restrictions on my internet account or slowing due to excessive 
> use. 
> 
> So, I believe it is software related.
> 
> Brian
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Brian,

I did mention to you very early in your post that it could be a Keychain issue.
/begin quote:
What 'connection error' are you receiving when you try to connect to iTunes 
Store?
This could be a Keychain issue, but before I can give any instructions I 
require more info please.

Some of the errors you might be receiving include:

iTunes can't verify the identity of the server init.itunes.apple.com 
iTunes can't verify the identity of the server buy.itunes.apple.com 
iTunes can't verify the identity of the server radio.itunes.apple.com 
/End Quote

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 31 Mar 2014, at 5:27 pm, Brian Risbey  wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Further to iTunes and Safari issue... form a fortnight ago.
> If I cannot:
> open iTunes Store from within iTunes,
> cannot open Commbank from Safari ( but can in Firefox and do banking), 
> cannot open App Store, though Apple website is lightning fast now.
> can watch youtube so buffering large files isn't an issue.
> can internet at the appropriate speed and send and  receive mail,
> could I have a Keychain issue?
> Spent over an hour this morning to Bigpond ( Philippines!) checking issues 
> with modem - all sorted, 
> 
> I have turned 'Growl' off (incase it was playing keepy-out games ),and
> reloaded OSX 10.9.2 Combo from saved .dmg installer. No Change/ improvement 
> to Safari (7.02). 
> Safari only has 1Password extension running.
> There are no restrictions on my internet account or slowing due to excessive 
> use. 
> 
> So, I believe it is software related.
> 
> Brian
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Re: Keychain

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 28/06/2010, at 9:01 AM, Laura Webb wrote:

> Hi Peter
> 
> Thank you for your detailed and excellent advice about 1Password. I will look 
> into it but it still does not remove that nagging doubt of having all the  
> important information tucked carefully away on my computer and then the hard 
> drive dies!!! I'm probably just paranoid because of my recent experience and 
> being previously unaware that such a thing can happen without any warning.
> 
> I'm old fashioned enough to think I still need a hard copy backup of vital 
> information, but no reason why I should not have both, particularly with the 
> added ease of logging in to web sites.
> 
> Regards
> Laura
> 

These days you need to keep multiple copies of everything, it's true, but if 
you're not running some sort of backup system on your computer then you're 
putting more than just your passwords at risk. I have just had two hard drives 
die on me in the space of as many months: first my computer's hard drive, now 
my backup drive! Fortunately, I have not lost anything irreplaceable (well, not 
much at least, because I did have some things on the backup drive which I 
regret losing, such as my Videobox VM). 

So you also need a backup of your backup  :-/

To this end I have purchased a Newer Technology Voyager Q Hard Drive Docking 
Solution from MacWizardry. This wonderful little device stays connected to my 
computer, and allows me to exchange backup drives within seconds. It takes bare 
SATA drives (the 500Gb drive in it at the moment set me back a massive $60 from 
Austin Computers) so a little care is required, but it is the most 
cost-effective backup solution I have seen so far. I intend to have two, three 
or more of these drives in circulation, so that when the next disaster happens 
I'm not caught high and dry. 

The one thing I was able to rely on though, was the fact that through it all I 
had all my passwords and product installation codes backed up on my iPhone (as 
well as my laptop) courtesy of 1Password.


Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948

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Re: Keychain

[Laura Webb]

Hi Peter

Thank you for your detailed and excellent advice about 1Password. I will look 
into it but it still does not remove that nagging doubt of having all the  
important information tucked carefully away on my computer and then the hard 
drive dies!!! I'm probably just paranoid because of my recent experience and 
being previously unaware that such a thing can happen without any warning.

I'm old fashioned enough to think I still need a hard copy backup of vital 
information, but no reason why I should not have both, particularly with the 
added ease of logging in to web sites.

Regards
Laura


On 28/06/2010, at 8:30 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:



On 27/06/2010, at 8:36 AM, Laura Webb wrote:

> Hi John and Peter
> 
> Thank you both for suggesting alternative options to Keychain. Having had the 
> recent experience of my MacBook hard drive suddenly "dying" I was reminded of 
> how easy it could be to lose vital information thought to be safely stored 
> electronically. I had a backup on an external drive which saved the day for 
> me but still very disconcerting at what might have been.
> 
> Regards
> Laura
> 

Please let me thoroughly endorse the use us of the excellent 1Password. It is 
much, much more than a Keychain substitute (in fact, it actually works in 
concert with Keychain, so it's not really a substitute - it just acts like it). 
I not only let you keep all of your password in one secure place, accessible 
though one standard password, it is also a repository for other valuable 
information such software registration numbers, credit card details, PIN 
numbers, notes, in fact just about anything that you can't afford to forget, 
but don't necessarily want displayed in a public place (such as someone else 
using your computer). 

The most valuable aspect of 1Password, though, is that way it interacts with 
your Web Browser. It places an icon in the browser's tool bar which allows you, 
when presented with a login page such as your online banking page, to 
automatically fill the login and password fields and then log in for you, 
thereby removing even the remote possibility that some eagle-eye is watching 
over your shoulder as you type. In the same way it will fill in identity fields 
and credit card info on those forms you have to fill in when making online 
purchases. I know, most browsers already do the name and address stuff these 
days, but 1Password takes it that little bit further.

Finally, there is even a 1Password iPhone app which syncs with your Mac, and 
works pretty much the same way with web sites that you visit on your iPhone or 
iPad.

Don't bother trying to get your head around Keychain. Just try 1Password. 
Possibly the most valuable purchase you'll ever make for your Mac (and no, I 
don't have shares in the company   :-) ).


Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948

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Re: Keychain

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 27/06/2010, at 8:36 AM, Laura Webb wrote:

> Hi John and Peter
> 
> Thank you both for suggesting alternative options to Keychain. Having had the 
> recent experience of my MacBook hard drive suddenly "dying" I was reminded of 
> how easy it could be to lose vital information thought to be safely stored 
> electronically. I had a backup on an external drive which saved the day for 
> me but still very disconcerting at what might have been.
> 
> Regards
> Laura
> 

Please let me thoroughly endorse the use us of the excellent 1Password. It is 
much, much more than a Keychain substitute (in fact, it actually works in 
concert with Keychain, so it's not really a substitute - it just acts like it). 
I not only let you keep all of your password in one secure place, accessible 
though one standard password, it is also a repository for other valuable 
information such software registration numbers, credit card details, PIN 
numbers, notes, in fact just about anything that you can't afford to forget, 
but don't necessarily want displayed in a public place (such as someone else 
using your computer). 

The most valuable aspect of 1Password, though, is that way it interacts with 
your Web Browser. It places an icon in the browser's tool bar which allows you, 
when presented with a login page such as your online banking page, to 
automatically fill the login and password fields and then log in for you, 
thereby removing even the remote possibility that some eagle-eye is watching 
over your shoulder as you type. In the same way it will fill in identity fields 
and credit card info on those forms you have to fill in when making online 
purchases. I know, most browsers already do the name and address stuff these 
days, but 1Password takes it that little bit further.

Finally, there is even a 1Password iPhone app which syncs with your Mac, and 
works pretty much the same way with web sites that you visit on your iPhone or 
iPad.

Don't bother trying to get your head around Keychain. Just try 1Password. 
Possibly the most valuable purchase you'll ever make for your Mac (and no, I 
don't have shares in the company   :-) ).


Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.



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Re: Keychain

[Laura Webb]

Hi John and Peter

Thank you both for suggesting alternative options to Keychain. Having had the 
recent experience of my MacBook hard drive suddenly "dying" I was reminded of 
how easy it could be to lose vital information thought to be safely stored 
electronically. I had a backup on an external drive which saved the day for me 
but still very disconcerting at what might have been.

Regards
Laura

On 26/06/2010, at 8:53 AM, John Thompson wrote:


Hello Laura,
I have been following your thread on keychain and, although I use 
keychain quite a bit, would recommend you possibly have a look at a program 
called 1password - http://agilewebsolutions.com/ -.  All that is needed is for 
you to have and know one secure password to access it.  All your passwords, 
personal information like banking and credit cards, serial numbers and much 
more can be securely kept in this location.
It is not free but well worth the small payment.

Regards

John Thompson
On 26/06/2010, at 8:09 AM, Laura Webb wrote:

> 
> Hi Neil
> 
> Thank you for your comments. There are very few items in my Keychain and 
> nothing at all that I have put there. Some things must happen automatically.
> 
> In any case I am staying with my comment that until I understand how to use 
> Keychain I shall keep well away from it. Apart from the occasional slip up, I 
> keep passwords as a hard copy record. 
> 
> Kind regards
> Laura
> 
> On 24/06/2010, at 7:13 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Laura,
> 
> I've only just caught up with this thread so, firstly, good to hear you now
> have mail working.
> 
>> Until I know how to use Keychain I shall keep well away from it.
> 
> I agree that it is best not to start changing things in Keychain unless you
> know just what you are doing (and why). However, it sounds like you have
> passwords in Keychain that you have now forgotten (you are probably not the
> only one here).
> 
> This may not be a problem as long as things keep working - but sometimes
> things change - for example sites re-organise and a log-in page may get a
> new URL and so Keychain doesn't recognise it as the one associated with the
> saved password - and so you need the password to log-in again.
> 
> On several occasions I have gone back to sites/forums etc that I wished to
> access and realised I had forgotten the password. Generally this isn't a
> problem if I had the passwords in Keychain - on these occasions I could open
> Keychain and get it to show me the stored passwords - this is basically what
> Ronni was asking you to do to retrieve your password for the email server.
> 
> 
> Now, whilst, in this case, it turned out the original problem was not a
> keychain problem, you should still have been able to get Keychain to show
> you the password. If you are having problems with that, it may be best to
> try and work out what the problem is before it causes you real trouble.
> 
> A simple test to try and see if it gives you the same password problem would
> be to create a "Secure Note" (This is a useful feature of keychain that lets
> you store any confidential info in a little note. The contents of the note
> is hidden until you enter the password):
> 
> - Open Keychain Access
> - Under the "File" menu select "New secure Note Item"
> - In the window that opens enter a name (say, "Test") in the "Keychain Item
> Name:" box and some text (say, "Test note text") in the "Note:" box.
> - Click the "add" button, the window will close and you have created the
> secure note.
> 
> Now in the "Keychain Access" window select "login" under "Keychains" and
> select "Secure Notes" under "Category" and you should see the note you have
> just created with:
> 
> Name: Test
> Kind: secure note
> Keychain: login
> 
> Select the item and click the "i" button in the bottom bar (or just
> Double-click the item) and the window for the note will open but the note
> box will be blank until you tick the "show note" box - at which point you
> will be asked to enter your "login" keychain password.
> 
> Do so, and click the "allow" button and:
> 
> - If all is OK the text of the note will be revealed.
> - If you get the same "Sorry, you entered an invalid password" message then
> we will need to look a little deeper to see just what the situation is.
> 
> By default your login keychain is the default keychain and has the same
> password as your account log-in - although you can change passwords and/or
> default keychains, I wouldn't recommend this unless you know what you are
> doing and have a good reason - but it may be that this has been changed
> inadvertently (it seems that a Microsoft software update once changed my
> default keychain to "Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates" - which caused me
> some problems until I realised what had happened).
> 
> Anyway, try creating a new secure note (as above), see what happens and
> report back.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> 

Re: Keychain

[Curtis Peter]

Hi
I use Pastorhttp://mehlau.net/pastor/which I believe is the same, and 
free!
Regards
Peter
On 26/06/2010, at 8:53 AM, John Thompson wrote:

> 
> Hello Laura,
>   I have been following your thread on keychain and, although I use 
> keychain quite a bit, would recommend you possibly have a look at a program 
> called 1password - http://agilewebsolutions.com/ -.  All that is needed is 
> for you to have and know one secure password to access it.  All your 
> passwords, personal information like banking and credit cards, serial numbers 
> and much more can be securely kept in this location.
>   It is not free but well worth the small payment.
> 
> Regards
> 
> John Thompson
> On 26/06/2010, at 8:09 AM, Laura Webb wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Neil
>> 
>> Thank you for your comments. There are very few items in my Keychain and 
>> nothing at all that I have put there. Some things must happen automatically.
>> 
>> In any case I am staying with my comment that until I understand how to use 
>> Keychain I shall keep well away from it. Apart from the occasional slip up, 
>> I keep passwords as a hard copy record. 
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Laura
>> 
>> On 24/06/2010, at 7:13 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Laura,
>> 
>> I've only just caught up with this thread so, firstly, good to hear you now
>> have mail working.
>> 
>>> Until I know how to use Keychain I shall keep well away from it.
>> 
>> I agree that it is best not to start changing things in Keychain unless you
>> know just what you are doing (and why). However, it sounds like you have
>> passwords in Keychain that you have now forgotten (you are probably not the
>> only one here).
>> 
>> This may not be a problem as long as things keep working - but sometimes
>> things change - for example sites re-organise and a log-in page may get a
>> new URL and so Keychain doesn't recognise it as the one associated with the
>> saved password - and so you need the password to log-in again.
>> 
>> On several occasions I have gone back to sites/forums etc that I wished to
>> access and realised I had forgotten the password. Generally this isn't a
>> problem if I had the passwords in Keychain - on these occasions I could open
>> Keychain and get it to show me the stored passwords - this is basically what
>> Ronni was asking you to do to retrieve your password for the email server.
>> 
>> 
>> Now, whilst, in this case, it turned out the original problem was not a
>> keychain problem, you should still have been able to get Keychain to show
>> you the password. If you are having problems with that, it may be best to
>> try and work out what the problem is before it causes you real trouble.
>> 
>> A simple test to try and see if it gives you the same password problem would
>> be to create a "Secure Note" (This is a useful feature of keychain that lets
>> you store any confidential info in a little note. The contents of the note
>> is hidden until you enter the password):
>> 
>> - Open Keychain Access
>> - Under the "File" menu select "New secure Note Item"
>> - In the window that opens enter a name (say, "Test") in the "Keychain Item
>> Name:" box and some text (say, "Test note text") in the "Note:" box.
>> - Click the "add" button, the window will close and you have created the
>> secure note.
>> 
>> Now in the "Keychain Access" window select "login" under "Keychains" and
>> select "Secure Notes" under "Category" and you should see the note you have
>> just created with:
>> 
>> Name: Test
>> Kind: secure note
>> Keychain: login
>> 
>> Select the item and click the "i" button in the bottom bar (or just
>> Double-click the item) and the window for the note will open but the note
>> box will be blank until you tick the "show note" box - at which point you
>> will be asked to enter your "login" keychain password.
>> 
>> Do so, and click the "allow" button and:
>> 
>> - If all is OK the text of the note will be revealed.
>> - If you get the same "Sorry, you entered an invalid password" message then
>> we will need to look a little deeper to see just what the situation is.
>> 
>> By default your login keychain is the default keychain and has the same
>> password as your account log-in - although you can change passwords and/or
>> default keychains, I wouldn't recommend this unless you know what you are
>> doing and have a good reason - but it may be that this has been changed
>> inadvertently (it seems that a Microsoft software update once changed my
>> default keychain to "Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates" - which caused me
>> some problems until I realised what had happened).
>> 
>> Anyway, try creating a new secure note (as above), see what happens and
>> report back.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Neil
>> -- 
>> Neil R. Houghton
>> Albany, Western Australia
>> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
>> Email: n...@possumology.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> on 24/6/10 3:52 PM, Laura Webb at el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> It seems Keychain had nothing to do with th

Re: Keychain

[John Thompson]

Hello Laura,
I have been following your thread on keychain and, although I use 
keychain quite a bit, would recommend you possibly have a look at a program 
called 1password - http://agilewebsolutions.com/ -.  All that is needed is for 
you to have and know one secure password to access it.  All your passwords, 
personal information like banking and credit cards, serial numbers and much 
more can be securely kept in this location.
It is not free but well worth the small payment.

Regards

John Thompson
On 26/06/2010, at 8:09 AM, Laura Webb wrote:

> 
> Hi Neil
> 
> Thank you for your comments. There are very few items in my Keychain and 
> nothing at all that I have put there. Some things must happen automatically.
> 
> In any case I am staying with my comment that until I understand how to use 
> Keychain I shall keep well away from it. Apart from the occasional slip up, I 
> keep passwords as a hard copy record. 
> 
> Kind regards
> Laura
> 
> On 24/06/2010, at 7:13 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Laura,
> 
> I've only just caught up with this thread so, firstly, good to hear you now
> have mail working.
> 
>> Until I know how to use Keychain I shall keep well away from it.
> 
> I agree that it is best not to start changing things in Keychain unless you
> know just what you are doing (and why). However, it sounds like you have
> passwords in Keychain that you have now forgotten (you are probably not the
> only one here).
> 
> This may not be a problem as long as things keep working - but sometimes
> things change - for example sites re-organise and a log-in page may get a
> new URL and so Keychain doesn't recognise it as the one associated with the
> saved password - and so you need the password to log-in again.
> 
> On several occasions I have gone back to sites/forums etc that I wished to
> access and realised I had forgotten the password. Generally this isn't a
> problem if I had the passwords in Keychain - on these occasions I could open
> Keychain and get it to show me the stored passwords - this is basically what
> Ronni was asking you to do to retrieve your password for the email server.
> 
> 
> Now, whilst, in this case, it turned out the original problem was not a
> keychain problem, you should still have been able to get Keychain to show
> you the password. If you are having problems with that, it may be best to
> try and work out what the problem is before it causes you real trouble.
> 
> A simple test to try and see if it gives you the same password problem would
> be to create a "Secure Note" (This is a useful feature of keychain that lets
> you store any confidential info in a little note. The contents of the note
> is hidden until you enter the password):
> 
> - Open Keychain Access
> - Under the "File" menu select "New secure Note Item"
> - In the window that opens enter a name (say, "Test") in the "Keychain Item
> Name:" box and some text (say, "Test note text") in the "Note:" box.
> - Click the "add" button, the window will close and you have created the
> secure note.
> 
> Now in the "Keychain Access" window select "login" under "Keychains" and
> select "Secure Notes" under "Category" and you should see the note you have
> just created with:
> 
> Name: Test
> Kind: secure note
> Keychain: login
> 
> Select the item and click the "i" button in the bottom bar (or just
> Double-click the item) and the window for the note will open but the note
> box will be blank until you tick the "show note" box - at which point you
> will be asked to enter your "login" keychain password.
> 
> Do so, and click the "allow" button and:
> 
> - If all is OK the text of the note will be revealed.
> - If you get the same "Sorry, you entered an invalid password" message then
> we will need to look a little deeper to see just what the situation is.
> 
> By default your login keychain is the default keychain and has the same
> password as your account log-in - although you can change passwords and/or
> default keychains, I wouldn't recommend this unless you know what you are
> doing and have a good reason - but it may be that this has been changed
> inadvertently (it seems that a Microsoft software update once changed my
> default keychain to "Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates" - which caused me
> some problems until I realised what had happened).
> 
> Anyway, try creating a new secure note (as above), see what happens and
> report back.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com
> 
> 
> 
> on 24/6/10 3:52 PM, Laura Webb at el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> It seems Keychain had nothing to do with the problem!! . iinet have fixed
>> whatever the problem was. All  is now well and I can access Mail as always.
>> 
>> Until I know how to use Keychain I shall keep well away from it. My thanks
>> also to Daniel and Rob for their suggestions.
>> 
>> My apologies for taking up your valua

Re: Keychain help please

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Laura,

I've only just caught up with this thread so, firstly, good to hear you now
have mail working.

> Until I know how to use Keychain I shall keep well away from it.

I agree that it is best not to start changing things in Keychain unless you
know just what you are doing (and why). However, it sounds like you have
passwords in Keychain that you have now forgotten (you are probably not the
only one here).

This may not be a problem as long as things keep working - but sometimes
things change - for example sites re-organise and a log-in page may get a
new URL and so Keychain doesn't recognise it as the one associated with the
saved password - and so you need the password to log-in again.

On several occasions I have gone back to sites/forums etc that I wished to
access and realised I had forgotten the password. Generally this isn't a
problem if I had the passwords in Keychain - on these occasions I could open
Keychain and get it to show me the stored passwords - this is basically what
Ronni was asking you to do to retrieve your password for the email server.


Now, whilst, in this case, it turned out the original problem was not a
keychain problem, you should still have been able to get Keychain to show
you the password. If you are having problems with that, it may be best to
try and work out what the problem is before it causes you real trouble.

A simple test to try and see if it gives you the same password problem would
be to create a "Secure Note" (This is a useful feature of keychain that lets
you store any confidential info in a little note. The contents of the note
is hidden until you enter the password):

- Open Keychain Access
- Under the "File" menu select "New secure Note Item"
- In the window that opens enter a name (say, "Test") in the "Keychain Item
Name:" box and some text (say, "Test note text") in the "Note:" box.
- Click the "add" button, the window will close and you have created the
secure note.

Now in the "Keychain Access" window select "login" under "Keychains" and
select "Secure Notes" under "Category" and you should see the note you have
just created with:

Name: Test
Kind: secure note
Keychain: login

Select the item and click the "i" button in the bottom bar (or just
Double-click the item) and the window for the note will open but the note
box will be blank until you tick the "show note" box - at which point you
will be asked to enter your "login" keychain password.

Do so, and click the "allow" button and:

- If all is OK the text of the note will be revealed.
- If you get the same "Sorry, you entered an invalid password" message then
we will need to look a little deeper to see just what the situation is.

By default your login keychain is the default keychain and has the same
password as your account log-in - although you can change passwords and/or
default keychains, I wouldn't recommend this unless you know what you are
doing and have a good reason - but it may be that this has been changed
inadvertently (it seems that a Microsoft software update once changed my
default keychain to "Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates" - which caused me
some problems until I realised what had happened).

Anyway, try creating a new secure note (as above), see what happens and
report back.


Cheers



Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com



on 24/6/10 3:52 PM, Laura Webb at el...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> It seems Keychain had nothing to do with the problem!! . iinet have fixed
> whatever the problem was. All  is now well and I can access Mail as always.
> 
> Until I know how to use Keychain I shall keep well away from it. My thanks
> also to Daniel and Rob for their suggestions.
> 
> My apologies for taking up your valuable time.
> 
> Many thanks
> Kind regards
> Laura
> 
> Once again, many thanks to you and sorry to have
> On 24/06/2010, at 3:42 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
> 
> Try the password you use for Webmail when Mail asks for the password.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 24/06/2010, at 3:36 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> I know the password I use when accessing webmail. I tried the on line contact
>> with iinet but there is a problem
>> somewhere there. I've phoned and am now waiting for a call back from them.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Laura
>> 
>> On Thu Jun 24 15:17 , Ronda Brown  sent:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Laura,
>>> 
>>> NO, the email account's password is NOT your Login (Administrator) Password.
>>> It is the password you would have given iiNet when you signed up & setup
>>> your Account with them.
>>> What password are you using to access your iiNet webmail?
>>> 
>>> Do you have a copy of your iiNet Account settings / contract?
>>> If not, you can retrieve your 'forgotten Password" by going here:
>>> https://toolbox.iinet.net.au/cgi-bin/playpen/9pointidcheck.cgi\?toolbox=1>
>>> 
>>> You require your full email address that is used by the service that you
>>> have forgotten your password fo

Re: Keychain help please

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Laura,

I hope you now have your iiNet Account details and password for your Mail 
Account for the next time something like this happens.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 24/06/2010, at 3:52 PM, Laura Webb wrote:

> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> It seems Keychain had nothing to do with the problem!! . iinet have fixed 
> whatever the problem was. All  is now well and I can access Mail as always.
> 
> Until I know how to use Keychain I shall keep well away from it. My thanks 
> also to Daniel and Rob for their suggestions.
> 
> My apologies for taking up your valuable time.
> 
> Many thanks
> Kind regards
> Laura
> 
> Once again, many thanks to you and sorry to have
> On 24/06/2010, at 3:42 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
> 
> Try the password you use for Webmail when Mail asks for the password.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 24/06/2010, at 3:36 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> I know the password I use when accessing webmail. I tried the on line 
>> contact with iinet but there is a problem 
>> somewhere there. I've phoned and am now waiting for a call back from them. 
>> 
>> Regards
>> Laura



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Re: Keychain help please

[Laura Webb]

Hi Ronni

It seems Keychain had nothing to do with the problem!! . iinet have fixed 
whatever the problem was. All  is now well and I can access Mail as always.

Until I know how to use Keychain I shall keep well away from it. My thanks also 
to Daniel and Rob for their suggestions.

My apologies for taking up your valuable time.

Many thanks
Kind regards
Laura

Once again, many thanks to you and sorry to have
On 24/06/2010, at 3:42 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Try the password you use for Webmail when Mail asks for the password.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 24/06/2010, at 3:36 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> I know the password I use when accessing webmail. I tried the on line contact 
> with iinet but there is a problem 
> somewhere there. I've phoned and am now waiting for a call back from them. 
> 
> Regards
> Laura
> 
> On Thu Jun 24 15:17 , Ronda Brown  sent:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Laura,
>> 
>> NO, the email account's password is NOT your Login (Administrator) Password.
>> It is the password you would have given iiNet when you signed up & setup 
>> your Account with them.
>> What password are you using to access your iiNet webmail? 
>> 
>> Do you have a copy of your iiNet Account settings / contract?
>> If not, you can retrieve your 'forgotten Password" by going here:
>> https://toolbox.iinet.net.au/cgi-bin/playpen/9pointidcheck.cgi\?toolbox=1>
>> 
>> You require your full email address that is used by the service that you 
>> have forgotten your password for, along 
> with a secondary piece of information (a valid invoice number, or the credit 
> card number you use to make 
> payments for this service).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 24/06/2010, at 2:54 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sorry but I don't know the password for my mail account. It was set up four 
>>> years ago. I could assume it's 
> the 
>>> same as my login password but no guarantee, so not sure if I should still 
>>> go ahead with your latest 
> suggestion. 
>>> 
>>> I feel rather stupid about all this given that I'm not conscious of what I 
>>> did to cause the problem!!
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Laura
>>> 
>>> On Thu Jun 24 14:35 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
>>> 
 Hi Laura,
 The User ID=501 is you The Owner. Ownership in Mac OS X, and all flavours 
 of Unix, is based on an 
> account’s 
>>> user identification number (UID) anda group’s group identification number 
>>> (GID), not on the user name and 
>>> group name you see in the Info window or other folder listings. Those names 
>>> are for our convenience; the 
>>> computer cares only about the numeric identifiers.
 Don't change "Access Control"!
 Laura, you need to know the password for your Mail Account … do you know 
 it?It is the password you have 
>>> entered when you setup your email account. Mail > Preferences > Accounts - 
>>> iiNet POP - Account 
> Information - 
>>> Incoming Mail Server: mail.iinet.com.au   Password: ……..
 If you know your mail account password (as my following instructions are 
 going to delete it from your 
> Keychain 
>>> login)1. Quit Mail
 2. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid. 
 
 3.Click the Repair radio button, enter your administrator password, and 
 click Start.
 
 Then open Mail,  if Mail still asks for the Mail account password.
 1. Return to Keychain Access, select your Login Keychain
 2. Locate your mail server in the list (mail.iinet.com.au), select it, and 
 click Delete. 
 
 The next time you check your email, you’ll be prompted for your password; 
 enter it, select Remember This 
>>> Password in My Keychain, and click OK.
 
 Cheers,Ronni
 
 On 24/06/2010, at 2:00 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Hi Ronni
 
 Yes that is correct, I used my normal login password for the verification 
 but if I use it when asked for 
 "login"keychain password I get the message that the password is invalid.
 
 In "Access Control" I tried deselecting "confirm before allowing access" 
 and instead chose "allow all 
> applications 
 to access this item" so that access to Mail is not restricted. If I then 
 select "save changes" I am again asked 
> for 
 the password, and again when I enter my normal login password I am told it 
 is invalid.
 
 I don't know what the (user ID=501) means, it's not something I recognise.
 
 This is the result of the verification.
 
 Regards
 Laura
 
 Verification started
 Checking keychain configuration for eljay (user ID=501)
 Home directory is /Users/eljay
 Checked login keychain
 Checked default keychain
 Checked keychain search list
 Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
 Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates
 No problems found
 Verification completed
 
 
 On Thu Jun 24 13:41 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
>

Re: Keychain help please

[Ronda Brown]

Try the password you use for Webmail when Mail asks for the password.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 24/06/2010, at 3:36 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> I know the password I use when accessing webmail. I tried the on line contact 
> with iinet but there is a problem 
> somewhere there. I've phoned and am now waiting for a call back from them. 
> 
> Regards
> Laura
> 
> On Thu Jun 24 15:17 , Ronda Brown  sent:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Laura,
>> 
>> NO, the email account's password is NOT your Login (Administrator) Password.
>> It is the password you would have given iiNet when you signed up & setup 
>> your Account with them.
>> What password are you using to access your iiNet webmail? 
>> 
>> Do you have a copy of your iiNet Account settings / contract?
>> If not, you can retrieve your 'forgotten Password" by going here:
>> https://toolbox.iinet.net.au/cgi-bin/playpen/9pointidcheck.cgi\?toolbox=1>
>> 
>> You require your full email address that is used by the service that you 
>> have forgotten your password for, along 
> with a secondary piece of information (a valid invoice number, or the credit 
> card number you use to make 
> payments for this service).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 24/06/2010, at 2:54 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sorry but I don't know the password for my mail account. It was set up four 
>>> years ago. I could assume it's 
> the 
>>> same as my login password but no guarantee, so not sure if I should still 
>>> go ahead with your latest 
> suggestion. 
>>> 
>>> I feel rather stupid about all this given that I'm not conscious of what I 
>>> did to cause the problem!!
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Laura
>>> 
>>> On Thu Jun 24 14:35 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
>>> 
 Hi Laura,
 The User ID=501 is you The Owner. Ownership in Mac OS X, and all flavours 
 of Unix, is based on an 
> account’s 
>>> user identification number (UID) anda group’s group identification number 
>>> (GID), not on the user name and 
>>> group name you see in the Info window or other folder listings. Those names 
>>> are for our convenience; the 
>>> computer cares only about the numeric identifiers.
 Don't change "Access Control"!
 Laura, you need to know the password for your Mail Account … do you know 
 it?It is the password you have 
>>> entered when you setup your email account. Mail > Preferences > Accounts - 
>>> iiNet POP - Account 
> Information - 
>>> Incoming Mail Server: mail.iinet.com.au   Password: ……..
 If you know your mail account password (as my following instructions are 
 going to delete it from your 
> Keychain 
>>> login)1. Quit Mail
 2. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid. 
 
 3.Click the Repair radio button, enter your administrator password, and 
 click Start.
 
 Then open Mail,  if Mail still asks for the Mail account password.
 1. Return to Keychain Access, select your Login Keychain
 2. Locate your mail server in the list (mail.iinet.com.au), select it, and 
 click Delete. 
 
 The next time you check your email, you’ll be prompted for your password; 
 enter it, select Remember This 
>>> Password in My Keychain, and click OK.
 
 Cheers,Ronni
 
 On 24/06/2010, at 2:00 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Hi Ronni
 
 Yes that is correct, I used my normal login password for the verification 
 but if I use it when asked for 
 "login"keychain password I get the message that the password is invalid.
 
 In "Access Control" I tried deselecting "confirm before allowing access" 
 and instead chose "allow all 
> applications 
 to access this item" so that access to Mail is not restricted. If I then 
 select "save changes" I am again asked 
> for 
 the password, and again when I enter my normal login password I am told it 
 is invalid.
 
 I don't know what the (user ID=501) means, it's not something I recognise.
 
 This is the result of the verification.
 
 Regards
 Laura
 
 Verification started
 Checking keychain configuration for eljay (user ID=501)
 Home directory is /Users/eljay
 Checked login keychain
 Checked default keychain
 Checked keychain search list
 Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
 Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates
 No problems found
 Verification completed
 
 
 On Thu Jun 24 13:41 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
 
 
 Hi Laura,
 
 You say below that you did 'Verify' your login keychain … You had to type 
 in your Administrator(User 
> Account) 
 password to allow you to do that?
 
 If you never set a different password for your Keychain 'login', the 
 password is your Administrator 
> password.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 24/06/2010, at 1:21 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 
 Hi Ronni
 
 Thank

Re: Keychain help please

[el...@iinet.net.au]

Hi Ronni

I know the password I use when accessing webmail. I tried the on line contact 
with iinet but there is a problem 
somewhere there. I've phoned and am now waiting for a call back from them. 

Regards
Laura

On Thu Jun 24 15:17 , Ronda Brown  sent:

>
>Hi Laura,
>
>NO, the email account's password is NOT your Login (Administrator) Password.
>It is the password you would have given iiNet when you signed up & setup your 
>Account with them.
>What password are you using to access your iiNet webmail? 
>
>Do you have a copy of your iiNet Account settings / contract?
>If not, you can retrieve your 'forgotten Password" by going here:
>https://toolbox.iinet.net.au/cgi-bin/playpen/9pointidcheck.cgi\?toolbox=1>
>
>You require your full email address that is used by the service that you have 
>forgotten your password for, along 
with a secondary piece of information (a valid invoice number, or the credit 
card number you use to make 
payments for this service).
>
>Cheers,
>Ronni
>
>On 24/06/2010, at 2:54 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> Sorry but I don't know the password for my mail account. It was set up four 
>> years ago. I could assume it's 
the 
>> same as my login password but no guarantee, so not sure if I should still go 
>> ahead with your latest 
suggestion. 
>> 
>> I feel rather stupid about all this given that I'm not conscious of what I 
>> did to cause the problem!!
>> 
>> Regards
>> Laura
>> 
>> On Thu Jun 24 14:35 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
>> 
>>> Hi Laura,
>>> The User ID=501 is you The Owner. Ownership in Mac OS X, and all flavours 
>>> of Unix, is based on an 
account’s 
>> user identification number (UID) anda group’s group identification number 
>> (GID), not on the user name and 
>> group name you see in the Info window or other folder listings. Those names 
>> are for our convenience; the 
>> computer cares only about the numeric identifiers.
>>> Don't change "Access Control"!
>>> Laura, you need to know the password for your Mail Account … do you know 
>>> it?It is the password you have 
>> entered when you setup your email account. Mail > Preferences > Accounts - 
>> iiNet POP - Account 
Information - 
>> Incoming Mail Server: mail.iinet.com.au   Password: ……..
>>> If you know your mail account password (as my following instructions are 
>>> going to delete it from your 
Keychain 
>> login)1. Quit Mail
>>> 2. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid. 
>>> 
>>> 3.Click the Repair radio button, enter your administrator password, and 
>>> click Start.
>>> 
>>> Then open Mail,  if Mail still asks for the Mail account password.
>>> 1. Return to Keychain Access, select your Login Keychain
>>> 2. Locate your mail server in the list (mail.iinet.com.au), select it, and 
>>> click Delete. 
>>> 
>>> The next time you check your email, you’ll be prompted for your password; 
>>> enter it, select Remember This 
>> Password in My Keychain, and click OK.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 24/06/2010, at 2:00 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> Yes that is correct, I used my normal login password for the verification 
>>> but if I use it when asked for 
>>> "login"keychain password I get the message that the password is invalid.
>>> 
>>> In "Access Control" I tried deselecting "confirm before allowing access" 
>>> and instead chose "allow all 
applications 
>>> to access this item" so that access to Mail is not restricted. If I then 
>>> select "save changes" I am again asked 
for 
>>> the password, and again when I enter my normal login password I am told it 
>>> is invalid.
>>> 
>>> I don't know what the (user ID=501) means, it's not something I recognise.
>>> 
>>> This is the result of the verification.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Laura
>>> 
>>> Verification started
>>> Checking keychain configuration for eljay (user ID=501)
>>> Home directory is /Users/eljay
>>> Checked login keychain
>>> Checked default keychain
>>> Checked keychain search list
>>> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
>>> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates
>>> No problems found
>>> Verification completed
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu Jun 24 13:41 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Laura,
>>> 
>>> You say below that you did 'Verify' your login keychain … You had to type 
>>> in your Administrator(User 
Account) 
>>> password to allow you to do that?
>>> 
>>> If you never set a different password for your Keychain 'login', the 
>>> password is your Administrator 
password.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 24/06/2010, at 1:21 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that but still no joy. I've followed the steps you mention but 
>>> when I select "show password" I am 
>>> asked for my keychain login password. The only password I know is my main 
>>> login password and when I 
>>> insert 
>>> that I get a message saying it is invalid. Is there a separate admin 
>>> password?
>>> 
>>> I d

Re: Keychain help please

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Again Laura, I thought I better say "Don't type your Password in your reply 
email", I only meant for you check what password you are using in iiNet 
Webmail, as it probably is the same as in your Mail Account in Apple Mail.

Hi Laura,

NO, the email account's password is NOT your Login (Administrator) Password.
It is the password you would have given iiNet when you signed up & setup your 
Account with them.
What password are you using to access your iiNet webmail? 

Do you have a copy of your iiNet Account settings / contract?
If not, you can retrieve your 'forgotten Password" by going here:


You require your full email address that is used by the service that you have 
forgotten your password for, along with a secondary piece of information (a 
valid invoice number, or the credit card number you use to make payments for 
this service).

Cheers,
Ronni

On 24/06/2010, at 2:54 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> Sorry but I don't know the password for my mail account. It was set up four 
> years ago. I could assume it's the 
> same as my login password but no guarantee, so not sure if I should still go 
> ahead with your latest suggestion. 
> 
> I feel rather stupid about all this given that I'm not conscious of what I 
> did to cause the problem!!
> 
> Regards
> Laura
> 
> On Thu Jun 24 14:35 , Ronda Brown  sent:
> 
>> Hi Laura,
>> The User ID=501 is you The Owner. Ownership in Mac OS X, and all flavours of 
>> Unix, is based on an account’s 
> user identification number (UID) anda group’s group identification number 
> (GID), not on the user name and 
> group name you see in the Info window or other folder listings. Those names 
> are for our convenience; the 
> computer cares only about the numeric identifiers.
>> Don't change "Access Control"!
>> Laura, you need to know the password for your Mail Account … do you know 
>> it?It is the password you have 
> entered when you setup your email account. Mail > Preferences > Accounts - 
> iiNet POP - Account Information - 
> Incoming Mail Server: mail.iinet.com.au   Password: ……..
>> If you know your mail account password (as my following instructions are 
>> going to delete it from your Keychain 
> login)1. Quit Mail
>> 2. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid. 
>> 
>> 3.Click the Repair radio button, enter your administrator password, and 
>> click Start.
>> 
>> Then open Mail,  if Mail still asks for the Mail account password.
>> 1. Return to Keychain Access, select your Login Keychain
>> 2. Locate your mail server in the list (mail.iinet.com.au), select it, and 
>> click Delete. 
>> 
>> The next time you check your email, you’ll be prompted for your password; 
>> enter it, select Remember This 
> Password in My Keychain, and click OK.
>> 
>> Cheers,Ronni
>> 
>> On 24/06/2010, at 2:00 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> Yes that is correct, I used my normal login password for the verification 
>> but if I use it when asked for 
>> "login"keychain password I get the message that the password is invalid.
>> 
>> In "Access Control" I tried deselecting "confirm before allowing access" and 
>> instead chose "allow all applications 
>> to access this item" so that access to Mail is not restricted. If I then 
>> select "save changes" I am again asked for 
>> the password, and again when I enter my normal login password I am told it 
>> is invalid.
>> 
>> I don't know what the (user ID=501) means, it's not something I recognise.
>> 
>> This is the result of the verification.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Laura
>> 
>> Verification started
>> Checking keychain configuration for eljay (user ID=501)
>> Home directory is /Users/eljay
>> Checked login keychain
>> Checked default keychain
>> Checked keychain search list
>> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
>> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates
>> No problems found
>> Verification completed
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu Jun 24 13:41 , Ronda Brown  sent:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Laura,
>> 
>> You say below that you did 'Verify' your login keychain … You had to type in 
>> your Administrator(User Account) 
>> password to allow you to do that?
>> 
>> If you never set a different password for your Keychain 'login', the 
>> password is your Administrator password.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 24/06/2010, at 1:21 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> Thanks for that but still no joy. I've followed the steps you mention but 
>> when I select "show password" I am 
>> asked for my keychain login password. The only password I know is my main 
>> login password and when I 
>> insert 
>> that I get a message saying it is invalid. Is there a separate admin 
>> password?
>> 
>> I did the verify process and no problems were found.
>> 
>> All I had done was open Keychain Access, looked at what was there, decided I 
>> did not understand it and left 
>> the 
>> site, so still can

Re: Keychain help please

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Laura,

NO, the email account's password is NOT your Login (Administrator) Password.
It is the password you would have given iiNet when you signed up & setup your 
Account with them.
What password are you using to access your iiNet webmail? 

Do you have a copy of your iiNet Account settings / contract?
If not, you can retrieve your 'forgotten Password" by going here:


You require your full email address that is used by the service that you have 
forgotten your password for, along with a secondary piece of information (a 
valid invoice number, or the credit card number you use to make payments for 
this service).

Cheers,
Ronni

On 24/06/2010, at 2:54 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> Sorry but I don't know the password for my mail account. It was set up four 
> years ago. I could assume it's the 
> same as my login password but no guarantee, so not sure if I should still go 
> ahead with your latest suggestion. 
> 
> I feel rather stupid about all this given that I'm not conscious of what I 
> did to cause the problem!!
> 
> Regards
> Laura
> 
> On Thu Jun 24 14:35 , Ronda Brown  sent:
> 
>> Hi Laura,
>> The User ID=501 is you The Owner. Ownership in Mac OS X, and all flavours of 
>> Unix, is based on an account’s 
> user identification number (UID) anda group’s group identification number 
> (GID), not on the user name and 
> group name you see in the Info window or other folder listings. Those names 
> are for our convenience; the 
> computer cares only about the numeric identifiers.
>> Don't change "Access Control"!
>> Laura, you need to know the password for your Mail Account … do you know 
>> it?It is the password you have 
> entered when you setup your email account. Mail > Preferences > Accounts - 
> iiNet POP - Account Information - 
> Incoming Mail Server: mail.iinet.com.au   Password: ……..
>> If you know your mail account password (as my following instructions are 
>> going to delete it from your Keychain 
> login)1. Quit Mail
>> 2. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid. 
>> 
>> 3.Click the Repair radio button, enter your administrator password, and 
>> click Start.
>> 
>> Then open Mail,  if Mail still asks for the Mail account password.
>> 1. Return to Keychain Access, select your Login Keychain
>> 2. Locate your mail server in the list (mail.iinet.com.au), select it, and 
>> click Delete. 
>> 
>> The next time you check your email, you’ll be prompted for your password; 
>> enter it, select Remember This 
> Password in My Keychain, and click OK.
>> 
>> Cheers,Ronni
>> 
>> On 24/06/2010, at 2:00 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> Yes that is correct, I used my normal login password for the verification 
>> but if I use it when asked for 
>> "login"keychain password I get the message that the password is invalid.
>> 
>> In "Access Control" I tried deselecting "confirm before allowing access" and 
>> instead chose "allow all applications 
>> to access this item" so that access to Mail is not restricted. If I then 
>> select "save changes" I am again asked for 
>> the password, and again when I enter my normal login password I am told it 
>> is invalid.
>> 
>> I don't know what the (user ID=501) means, it's not something I recognise.
>> 
>> This is the result of the verification.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Laura
>> 
>> Verification started
>> Checking keychain configuration for eljay (user ID=501)
>> Home directory is /Users/eljay
>> Checked login keychain
>> Checked default keychain
>> Checked keychain search list
>> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
>> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates
>> No problems found
>> Verification completed
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu Jun 24 13:41 , Ronda Brown  sent:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Laura,
>> 
>> You say below that you did 'Verify' your login keychain … You had to type in 
>> your Administrator(User Account) 
>> password to allow you to do that?
>> 
>> If you never set a different password for your Keychain 'login', the 
>> password is your Administrator password.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 24/06/2010, at 1:21 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> Thanks for that but still no joy. I've followed the steps you mention but 
>> when I select "show password" I am 
>> asked for my keychain login password. The only password I know is my main 
>> login password and when I 
>> insert 
>> that I get a message saying it is invalid. Is there a separate admin 
>> password?
>> 
>> I did the verify process and no problems were found.
>> 
>> All I had done was open Keychain Access, looked at what was there, decided I 
>> did not understand it and left 
>> the 
>> site, so still can't work out what has caused the problem.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Laura
>> 
>> On Thu Jun 24 12:35 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
>> 
>> 
>> On 24/06/2010, at 11:46 AM, Laura Webb wrote:
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> When you recently res

Re: Keychain help please

[Rob Findlay]

The only problem with this is it sounds like the keychain has been locked so it 
will ask for a password to store the password.
Depending on how many other items are in the keychain I would probably just 
trash the keychain from ~/Library/Keychains then launch  Safari and when it 
says there is no keychain environment choose reset, enter your login password 
and create a new blank keychain which will have the same password as the login 
password.
Of course this gets more problematic if there are other items in the old 
keychain that you don't know the password for.

On 24/06/2010, at 2:35 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Laura,
> 
> The User ID=501 is you The Owner. Ownership in Mac OS X, and all flavours of 
> Unix, is based on an account’s user identification number (UID) and
> a group’s group identification number (GID), not on the user name and group 
> name you see in the Info window or other folder listings. 
> Those names are for our convenience; the computer cares only about the 
> numeric identifiers.
> 
> Don't change "Access Control"!
> 
> Laura, you need to know the password for your Mail Account … do you know it?
> It is the password you have entered when you setup your email account.
>  Mail > Preferences > Accounts - iiNet POP - Account Information - Incoming 
> Mail Server: mail.iinet.com.au   Password: ……..
> 
> If you know your mail account password (as my following instructions are 
> going to delete it from your Keychain login)
> 1. Quit Mail
> 
> 2. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid. 
> 
> 3.Click the Repair radio button, enter your administrator password, and click 
> Start.
> 
> Then open Mail,  if Mail still asks for the Mail account password.
> 
> 1. Return to Keychain Access, select your Login Keychain
> 
> 2. Locate your mail server in the list (mail.iinet.com.au), select it, and 
> click Delete. 
> 
> The next time you check your email, you’ll be prompted for your password; 
> enter it, select Remember This Password in My Keychain, and click OK.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 24/06/2010, at 2:00 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> Yes that is correct, I used my normal login password for the verification 
>> but if I use it when asked for 
>> "login"keychain password I get the message that the password is invalid.
>> 
>> In "Access Control" I tried deselecting "confirm before allowing access" and 
>> instead chose "allow all applications 
>> to access this item" so that access to Mail is not restricted. If I then 
>> select "save changes" I am again asked for 
>> the password, and again when I enter my normal login password I am told it 
>> is invalid.
>> 
>> I don't know what the (user ID=501) means, it's not something I recognise.
>> 
>> This is the result of the verification.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Laura
>> 
>> Verification started
>> Checking keychain configuration for eljay (user ID=501)
>> Home directory is /Users/eljay
>> Checked login keychain
>> Checked default keychain
>> Checked keychain search list
>> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
>> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates
>> No problems found
>> Verification completed
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu Jun 24 13:41 , Ronda Brown  sent:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Laura,
>>> 
>>> You say below that you did 'Verify' your login keychain … You had to type 
>>> in your Administrator(User Account) 
>> password to allow you to do that?
>>> 
>>> If you never set a different password for your Keychain 'login', the 
>>> password is your Administrator password.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 24/06/2010, at 1:21 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>> 
 
 Hi Ronni
 
 Thanks for that but still no joy. I've followed the steps you mention but 
 when I select "show password" I am 
 asked for my keychain login password. The only password I know is my main 
 login password and when I 
>> insert 
 that I get a message saying it is invalid. Is there a separate admin 
 password?
 
 I did the verify process and no problems were found.
 
 All I had done was open Keychain Access, looked at what was there, decided 
 I did not understand it and left 
>> the 
 site, so still can't work out what has caused the problem.
 
 Kind regards
 Laura
 
 On Thu Jun 24 12:35 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
 
> 
> On 24/06/2010, at 11:46 AM, Laura Webb wrote:
> Hi Ronni
> 
> When you recently responded to a query and indicated how you use Keychain 
> I decided I should have a 
>> look at 
 whether I should be doing likewise. I didn't get very far, was not sure 
 what to do so just left it alone.
> 
> At least that's what I thought I had done but now I am locked out of Mail 
> and am constantly asked for a 
 password. The only password I know to use is my Login password which is 
 not accepted. I've tried clicking 
>> on 
 the closed padlock but that has no effect.

Re: Keychain help please

[el...@iinet.net.au]

Hi Ronni

Sorry but I don't know the password for my mail account. It was set up four 
years ago. I could assume it's the 
same as my login password but no guarantee, so not sure if I should still go 
ahead with your latest suggestion. 

I feel rather stupid about all this given that I'm not conscious of what I did 
to cause the problem!!

Regards
Laura

On Thu Jun 24 14:35 , Ronda Brown  sent:

>Hi Laura,
>The User ID=501 is you The Owner. Ownership in Mac OS X, and all flavours of 
>Unix, is based on an account’s 
user identification number (UID) anda group’s group identification number 
(GID), not on the user name and 
group name you see in the Info window or other folder listings. Those names are 
for our convenience; the 
computer cares only about the numeric identifiers.
>Don't change "Access Control"!
>Laura, you need to know the password for your Mail Account … do you know it?It 
>is the password you have 
entered when you setup your email account. Mail > Preferences > Accounts - 
iiNet POP - Account Information - 
Incoming Mail Server: mail.iinet.com.au   Password: ……..
>If you know your mail account password (as my following instructions are going 
>to delete it from your Keychain 
login)1. Quit Mail
>2. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid. 
>
>3.Click the Repair radio button, enter your administrator password, and click 
>Start.
>
>Then open Mail,  if Mail still asks for the Mail account password.
>1. Return to Keychain Access, select your Login Keychain
>2. Locate your mail server in the list (mail.iinet.com.au), select it, and 
>click Delete. 
>
>The next time you check your email, you’ll be prompted for your password; 
>enter it, select Remember This 
Password in My Keychain, and click OK.
>
>Cheers,Ronni
>
>On 24/06/2010, at 2:00 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>Hi Ronni
>
>Yes that is correct, I used my normal login password for the verification but 
>if I use it when asked for 
>"login"keychain password I get the message that the password is invalid.
>
>In "Access Control" I tried deselecting "confirm before allowing access" and 
>instead chose "allow all applications 
>to access this item" so that access to Mail is not restricted. If I then 
>select "save changes" I am again asked for 
>the password, and again when I enter my normal login password I am told it is 
>invalid.
>
>I don't know what the (user ID=501) means, it's not something I recognise.
>
>This is the result of the verification.
>
>Regards
>Laura
>
>Verification started
>Checking keychain configuration for eljay (user ID=501)
>Home directory is /Users/eljay
>Checked login keychain
>Checked default keychain
>Checked keychain search list
>Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
>Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates
>No problems found
>Verification completed
>
>
>On Thu Jun 24 13:41 , Ronda Brown  sent:
>
>
>Hi Laura,
>
>You say below that you did 'Verify' your login keychain … You had to type in 
>your Administrator(User Account) 
>password to allow you to do that?
>
>If you never set a different password for your Keychain 'login', the password 
>is your Administrator password.
>
>Cheers,
>Ronni
>
>On 24/06/2010, at 1:21 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>
>
>Hi Ronni
>
>Thanks for that but still no joy. I've followed the steps you mention but when 
>I select "show password" I am 
>asked for my keychain login password. The only password I know is my main 
>login password and when I 
>insert 
>that I get a message saying it is invalid. Is there a separate admin password?
>
>I did the verify process and no problems were found.
>
>All I had done was open Keychain Access, looked at what was there, decided I 
>did not understand it and left 
>the 
>site, so still can't work out what has caused the problem.
>
>Kind regards
>Laura
>
>On Thu Jun 24 12:35 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
>
>
>On 24/06/2010, at 11:46 AM, Laura Webb wrote:
>Hi Ronni
>
>When you recently responded to a query and indicated how you use Keychain I 
>decided I should have a 
>look at 
>whether I should be doing likewise. I didn't get very far, was not sure what 
>to do so just left it alone.
>
>At least that's what I thought I had done but now I am locked out of Mail and 
>am constantly asked for a 
>password. The only password I know to use is my Login password which is not 
>accepted. I've tried clicking 
>on 
>the closed padlock but that has no effect. I've followed the steps in Mail 
>Help but still cannot get anywhere.
>
>Please can you tell me what I have done to cause this problem. The only way I 
>can access Mail is to go 
>through 
>my ISP and webmail.
>
>Kind regards
>Laura
>
>MacBook 10.6.4
>
>Hi Laura,
>Without knowing exactly what you did in your Login Keychain, it is very 
>difficult to advise you.A couple of 
>things to try:
>A)1. Open Keychain Access:
>2. Click 'Login' (under Keychains in the left column)
>3. Then in the right column, scroll down to you find an entry for your Mail 
>ac

Re: Keychain help please

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Laura

You can also try some of the "generic" ones used for the admin password in 
Keychain. These are apple or password or (nothing. Just leave it blank and 
click ok). 
Try those and cross fingers :)

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email:  dan...@macwizardry.com.au
Web:


**For Everything Macintosh**

On 24/06/2010, at 2:35 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Laura,
> 
> The User ID=501 is you The Owner. Ownership in Mac OS X, and all flavours of 
> Unix, is based on an account’s user identification number (UID) and
> a group’s group identification number (GID), not on the user name and group 
> name you see in the Info window or other folder listings. 
> Those names are for our convenience; the computer cares only about the 
> numeric identifiers.
> 
> Don't change "Access Control"!
> 
> Laura, you need to know the password for your Mail Account … do you know it?
> It is the password you have entered when you setup your email account.
>  Mail > Preferences > Accounts - iiNet POP - Account Information - Incoming 
> Mail Server: mail.iinet.com.au   Password: ……..
> 
> If you know your mail account password (as my following instructions are 
> going to delete it from your Keychain login)
> 1. Quit Mail
> 
> 2. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid. 
> 
> 3.Click the Repair radio button, enter your administrator password, and click 
> Start.
> 
> Then open Mail,  if Mail still asks for the Mail account password.
> 
> 1. Return to Keychain Access, select your Login Keychain
> 
> 2. Locate your mail server in the list (mail.iinet.com.au), select it, and 
> click Delete. 
> 
> The next time you check your email, you’ll be prompted for your password; 
> enter it, select Remember This Password in My Keychain, and click OK.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 24/06/2010, at 2:00 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> Yes that is correct, I used my normal login password for the verification 
>> but if I use it when asked for 
>> "login"keychain password I get the message that the password is invalid.
>> 
>> In "Access Control" I tried deselecting "confirm before allowing access" and 
>> instead chose "allow all applications 
>> to access this item" so that access to Mail is not restricted. If I then 
>> select "save changes" I am again asked for 
>> the password, and again when I enter my normal login password I am told it 
>> is invalid.
>> 
>> I don't know what the (user ID=501) means, it's not something I recognise.
>> 
>> This is the result of the verification.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Laura
>> 
>> Verification started
>> Checking keychain configuration for eljay (user ID=501)
>> Home directory is /Users/eljay
>> Checked login keychain
>> Checked default keychain
>> Checked keychain search list
>> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
>> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates
>> No problems found
>> Verification completed
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu Jun 24 13:41 , Ronda Brown  sent:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Laura,
>>> 
>>> You say below that you did 'Verify' your login keychain … You had to type 
>>> in your Administrator(User Account) 
>> password to allow you to do that?
>>> 
>>> If you never set a different password for your Keychain 'login', the 
>>> password is your Administrator password.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 24/06/2010, at 1:21 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>> 
 
 Hi Ronni
 
 Thanks for that but still no joy. I've followed the steps you mention but 
 when I select "show password" I am 
 asked for my keychain login password. The only password I know is my main 
 login password and when I 
>> insert 
 that I get a message saying it is invalid. Is there a separate admin 
 password?
 
 I did the verify process and no problems were found.
 
 All I had done was open Keychain Access, looked at what was there, decided 
 I did not understand it and left 
>> the 
 site, so still can't work out what has caused the problem.
 
 Kind regards
 Laura
 
 On Thu Jun 24 12:35 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
 
> 
> On 24/06/2010, at 11:46 AM, Laura Webb wrote:
> Hi Ronni
> 
> When you recently responded to a query and indicated how you use Keychain 
> I decided I should have a 
>> look at 
 whether I should be doing likewise. I didn't get very far, was not sure 
 what to do so just left it alone.
> 
> At least that's what I thought I had done but now I am locked out of Mail 
> and am constantly asked for a 
 password. The only password I know to use is my Login password which is 
 not accepted. I've tried clicking 
>> on 
 the closed padlock but that has no effect. I've followed the steps in Mail 
 Help but still cannot get anywhere.
> 
> Please can you tell me what I have done to cause this problem. The only 
> wa

Re: Keychain help please

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Laura,

The User ID=501 is you The Owner. Ownership in Mac OS X, and all flavours of 
Unix, is based on an account’s user identification number (UID) and
a group’s group identification number (GID), not on the user name and group 
name you see in the Info window or other folder listings. 
Those names are for our convenience; the computer cares only about the numeric 
identifiers.

Don't change "Access Control"!

Laura, you need to know the password for your Mail Account … do you know it?
It is the password you have entered when you setup your email account.
 Mail > Preferences > Accounts - iiNet POP - Account Information - Incoming 
Mail Server: mail.iinet.com.au   Password: ……..

If you know your mail account password (as my following instructions are going 
to delete it from your Keychain login)
1. Quit Mail

2. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid. 

3.Click the Repair radio button, enter your administrator password, and click 
Start.

Then open Mail,  if Mail still asks for the Mail account password.

1. Return to Keychain Access, select your Login Keychain

2. Locate your mail server in the list (mail.iinet.com.au), select it, and 
click Delete. 

The next time you check your email, you’ll be prompted for your password; enter 
it, select Remember This Password in My Keychain, and click OK.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 24/06/2010, at 2:00 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> Yes that is correct, I used my normal login password for the verification but 
> if I use it when asked for 
> "login"keychain password I get the message that the password is invalid.
> 
> In "Access Control" I tried deselecting "confirm before allowing access" and 
> instead chose "allow all applications 
> to access this item" so that access to Mail is not restricted. If I then 
> select "save changes" I am again asked for 
> the password, and again when I enter my normal login password I am told it is 
> invalid.
> 
> I don't know what the (user ID=501) means, it's not something I recognise.
> 
> This is the result of the verification.
> 
> Regards
> Laura
> 
> Verification started
> Checking keychain configuration for eljay (user ID=501)
> Home directory is /Users/eljay
> Checked login keychain
> Checked default keychain
> Checked keychain search list
> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
> Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates
> No problems found
> Verification completed
> 
> 
> On Thu Jun 24 13:41 , Ronda Brown  sent:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Laura,
>> 
>> You say below that you did 'Verify' your login keychain … You had to type in 
>> your Administrator(User Account) 
> password to allow you to do that?
>> 
>> If you never set a different password for your Keychain 'login', the 
>> password is your Administrator password.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 24/06/2010, at 1:21 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that but still no joy. I've followed the steps you mention but 
>>> when I select "show password" I am 
>>> asked for my keychain login password. The only password I know is my main 
>>> login password and when I 
> insert 
>>> that I get a message saying it is invalid. Is there a separate admin 
>>> password?
>>> 
>>> I did the verify process and no problems were found.
>>> 
>>> All I had done was open Keychain Access, looked at what was there, decided 
>>> I did not understand it and left 
> the 
>>> site, so still can't work out what has caused the problem.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Laura
>>> 
>>> On Thu Jun 24 12:35 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
>>> 
 
 On 24/06/2010, at 11:46 AM, Laura Webb wrote:
 Hi Ronni
 
 When you recently responded to a query and indicated how you use Keychain 
 I decided I should have a 
> look at 
>>> whether I should be doing likewise. I didn't get very far, was not sure 
>>> what to do so just left it alone.
 
 At least that's what I thought I had done but now I am locked out of Mail 
 and am constantly asked for a 
>>> password. The only password I know to use is my Login password which is not 
>>> accepted. I've tried clicking 
> on 
>>> the closed padlock but that has no effect. I've followed the steps in Mail 
>>> Help but still cannot get anywhere.
 
 Please can you tell me what I have done to cause this problem. The only 
 way I can access Mail is to go 
> through 
>>> my ISP and webmail.
 
 Kind regards
 Laura
 
 MacBook 10.6.4
 
 Hi Laura,
 Without knowing exactly what you did in your Login Keychain, it is very 
 difficult to advise you.A couple of 
>>> things to try:
 A)1. Open Keychain Access:
 2. Click 'Login' (under Keychains in the left column)
 3. Then in the right column, scroll down to you find an entry for your 
 Mail account.It will be something like 
>>> 'mail.iinet.com.au'
 4. double click on the icon beside it
 5. select 'show password'
 6. Type in your admin 

Re: Keychain help please

[el...@iinet.net.au]

Hi Ronni

Yes that is correct, I used my normal login password for the verification but 
if I use it when asked for 
"login"keychain password I get the message that the password is invalid.

In "Access Control" I tried deselecting "confirm before allowing access" and 
instead chose "allow all applications 
to access this item" so that access to Mail is not restricted. If I then select 
"save changes" I am again asked for 
the password, and again when I enter my normal login password I am told it is 
invalid.

I don't know what the (user ID=501) means, it's not something I recognise.

This is the result of the verification.

Regards
Laura

Verification started
Checking keychain configuration for eljay (user ID=501)
Home directory is /Users/eljay
Checked login keychain
Checked default keychain
Checked keychain search list
Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
Checked contents of ~/Library/Keychains/Microsoft_Intermediate_Certificates
No problems found
Verification completed


On Thu Jun 24 13:41 , Ronda Brown  sent:

>
>Hi Laura,
>
>You say below that you did 'Verify' your login keychain … You had to type in 
>your Administrator(User Account) 
password to allow you to do that?
>
>If you never set a different password for your Keychain 'login', the password 
>is your Administrator password.
>
>Cheers,
>Ronni
>
>On 24/06/2010, at 1:21 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> Thanks for that but still no joy. I've followed the steps you mention but 
>> when I select "show password" I am 
>> asked for my keychain login password. The only password I know is my main 
>> login password and when I 
insert 
>> that I get a message saying it is invalid. Is there a separate admin 
>> password?
>> 
>> I did the verify process and no problems were found.
>> 
>> All I had done was open Keychain Access, looked at what was there, decided I 
>> did not understand it and left 
the 
>> site, so still can't work out what has caused the problem.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Laura
>> 
>> On Thu Jun 24 12:35 , Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com> sent:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 24/06/2010, at 11:46 AM, Laura Webb wrote:
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> When you recently responded to a query and indicated how you use Keychain I 
>>> decided I should have a 
look at 
>> whether I should be doing likewise. I didn't get very far, was not sure what 
>> to do so just left it alone.
>>> 
>>> At least that's what I thought I had done but now I am locked out of Mail 
>>> and am constantly asked for a 
>> password. The only password I know to use is my Login password which is not 
>> accepted. I've tried clicking 
on 
>> the closed padlock but that has no effect. I've followed the steps in Mail 
>> Help but still cannot get anywhere.
>>> 
>>> Please can you tell me what I have done to cause this problem. The only way 
>>> I can access Mail is to go 
through 
>> my ISP and webmail.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Laura
>>> 
>>> MacBook 10.6.4
>>> 
>>> Hi Laura,
>>> Without knowing exactly what you did in your Login Keychain, it is very 
>>> difficult to advise you.A couple of 
>> things to try:
>>> A)1. Open Keychain Access:
>>> 2. Click 'Login' (under Keychains in the left column)
>>> 3. Then in the right column, scroll down to you find an entry for your Mail 
>>> account.It will be something like 
>> 'mail.iinet.com.au'
>>> 4. double click on the icon beside it
>>> 5. select 'show password'
>>> 6. Type in your admin passwordKeychain will then show you your Mail Account 
>>> password.
>>> 
>>> B). See if you can verify your Keychain.
>>> Open Keychain Access, located in the Utilities folder in the Applications 
>>> folder.
>>> 
>>> 1.. Open Keychain Access
>>> 
>>> 2.. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid.
>>> 
>>> 3. Enter your user name and password.
>>> 
>>> 4. Select Verify and click Start. Any problems found will be displayed.
>>> 
>>> If there are problems, select Repair, and then click Start.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 17" MacBook Pro  Intel Core i72.66GHz / 4GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial 
>>> ATA Drive @ 7200rpm
>>> OS X 10.6.3 Snow Leopard
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>>> 
>
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Re: Keychain help please

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Laura,

You say below that you did 'Verify' your login keychain … You had to type in 
your Administrator(User Account) password to allow you to do that?

If you never set a different password for your Keychain 'login', the password 
is your Administrator password.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 24/06/2010, at 1:21 PM, el...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> Thanks for that but still no joy. I've followed the steps you mention but 
> when I select "show password" I am 
> asked for my keychain login password. The only password I know is my main 
> login password and when I insert 
> that I get a message saying it is invalid. Is there a separate admin password?
> 
> I did the verify process and no problems were found.
> 
> All I had done was open Keychain Access, looked at what was there, decided I 
> did not understand it and left the 
> site, so still can't work out what has caused the problem.
> 
> Kind regards
> Laura
> 
> On Thu Jun 24 12:35 , Ronda Brown  sent:
> 
>> 
>> On 24/06/2010, at 11:46 AM, Laura Webb wrote:
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> When you recently responded to a query and indicated how you use Keychain I 
>> decided I should have a look at 
> whether I should be doing likewise. I didn't get very far, was not sure what 
> to do so just left it alone.
>> 
>> At least that's what I thought I had done but now I am locked out of Mail 
>> and am constantly asked for a 
> password. The only password I know to use is my Login password which is not 
> accepted. I've tried clicking on 
> the closed padlock but that has no effect. I've followed the steps in Mail 
> Help but still cannot get anywhere.
>> 
>> Please can you tell me what I have done to cause this problem. The only way 
>> I can access Mail is to go through 
> my ISP and webmail.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Laura
>> 
>> MacBook 10.6.4
>> 
>> Hi Laura,
>> Without knowing exactly what you did in your Login Keychain, it is very 
>> difficult to advise you.A couple of 
> things to try:
>> A)1. Open Keychain Access:
>> 2. Click 'Login' (under Keychains in the left column)
>> 3. Then in the right column, scroll down to you find an entry for your Mail 
>> account.It will be something like 
> 'mail.iinet.com.au'
>> 4. double click on the icon beside it
>> 5. select 'show password'
>> 6. Type in your admin passwordKeychain will then show you your Mail Account 
>> password.
>> 
>> B). See if you can verify your Keychain.
>> Open Keychain Access, located in the Utilities folder in the Applications 
>> folder.
>> 
>> 1.. Open Keychain Access
>> 
>> 2.. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid.
>> 
>> 3. Enter your user name and password.
>> 
>> 4. Select Verify and click Start. Any problems found will be displayed.
>> 
>> If there are problems, select Repair, and then click Start.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 17" MacBook Pro  Intel Core i72.66GHz / 4GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial 
>> ATA Drive @ 7200rpm
>> OS X 10.6.3 Snow Leopard
>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>> 



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Re: Keychain help please

[el...@iinet.net.au]

Hi Ronni

Thanks for that but still no joy. I've followed the steps you mention but when 
I select "show password" I am 
asked for my keychain login password. The only password I know is my main login 
password and when I insert 
that I get a message saying it is invalid. Is there a separate admin password?

I did the verify process and no problems were found.

All I had done was open Keychain Access, looked at what was there, decided I 
did not understand it and left the 
site, so still can't work out what has caused the problem.

Kind regards
Laura

On Thu Jun 24 12:35 , Ronda Brown  sent:

>
>On 24/06/2010, at 11:46 AM, Laura Webb wrote:
>Hi Ronni
>
>When you recently responded to a query and indicated how you use Keychain I 
>decided I should have a look at 
whether I should be doing likewise. I didn't get very far, was not sure what to 
do so just left it alone.
>
>At least that's what I thought I had done but now I am locked out of Mail and 
>am constantly asked for a 
password. The only password I know to use is my Login password which is not 
accepted. I've tried clicking on 
the closed padlock but that has no effect. I've followed the steps in Mail Help 
but still cannot get anywhere.
>
>Please can you tell me what I have done to cause this problem. The only way I 
>can access Mail is to go through 
my ISP and webmail.
>
>Kind regards
>Laura
>
>MacBook 10.6.4
>
>Hi Laura,
>Without knowing exactly what you did in your Login Keychain, it is very 
>difficult to advise you.A couple of 
things to try:
>A)1. Open Keychain Access:
>2. Click 'Login' (under Keychains in the left column)
>3. Then in the right column, scroll down to you find an entry for your Mail 
>account.It will be something like 
'mail.iinet.com.au'
>4. double click on the icon beside it
>5. select 'show password'
>6. Type in your admin passwordKeychain will then show you your Mail Account 
>password.
>
>B). See if you can verify your Keychain.
>Open Keychain Access, located in the Utilities folder in the Applications 
>folder.
>
>1.. Open Keychain Access
>
>2.. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid.
>
>3. Enter your user name and password.
>
>4. Select Verify and click Start. Any problems found will be displayed.
>
>If there are problems, select Repair, and then click Start.
>
>
>
>Cheers,
>Ronni
>
>17" MacBook Pro  Intel Core i72.66GHz / 4GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial 
>ATA Drive @ 7200rpm
>OS X 10.6.3 Snow Leopard
>Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Ronda Brown]

On 24/06/2010, at 11:46 AM, Laura Webb wrote:

> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> When you recently responded to a query and indicated how you use Keychain I 
> decided I should have a look at whether I should be doing likewise. I didn't 
> get very far, was not sure what to do so just left it alone.
> 
> At least that's what I thought I had done but now I am locked out of Mail and 
> am constantly asked for a password. The only password I know to use is my 
> Login password which is not accepted. I've tried clicking on the closed 
> padlock but that has no effect. I've followed the steps in Mail Help but 
> still cannot get anywhere.
> 
> Please can you tell me what I have done to cause this problem. The only way I 
> can access Mail is to go through my ISP and webmail.
> 
> Kind regards
> Laura
> 
> MacBook 10.6.4


Hi Laura,

Without knowing exactly what you did in your Login Keychain, it is very 
difficult to advise you.
A couple of things to try:

A)
1. Open Keychain Access:

2. Click 'Login' (under Keychains in the left column)

3. Then in the right column, scroll down to you find an entry for your Mail 
account.
It will be something like 'mail.iinet.com.au'

4. double click on the icon beside it

5. select 'show password'

6. Type in your admin password
Keychain will then show you your Mail Account password.


B). See if you can verify your Keychain.

Open Keychain Access, located in the Utilities folder in the Applications 
folder.

1.. Open Keychain Access

2.. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid.

3. Enter your user name and password.

4. Select Verify and click Start. Any problems found will be displayed.

If there are problems, select Repair, and then click Start.



Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro  Intel Core i7
2.66GHz / 4GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm

OS X 10.6.3 Snow Leopard
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Re: Keychain?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Hugh,

On 27/08/2009, at 4:01 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:



Yes, sort of, in safari both my children ( whose accounts have  
parental controls turned on, but I don't htink this is it) have to  
hit cancel on the keychain pop up constantly to view web pages, it  
doesn't happen for the other three accounts on the systems.


The reason this is happening can be one of a number of causes.
Just resetting Safari in each of their accounts might help.
1. Open safari
2. Under Safari > Reset Safari
Tick everything
3. Click Reset
Log out and then log back in and test safari.

Other causes:
1. Their passwords may have been changed & are now not the same as  
their default Keychain.

or
2. Their Keychain might be set to lock automatically after a period of  
inactivity or when the computer enters sleep mode.
   When your keychain is locked, trusted applications cannot access  
it and you are prompted for the keychain password.


You will need to login to each of their accounts to check:

I would probably suggest that you first try checking their Keychains  
for any problems:

Login to each of their accounts:

To check keychains for problems:
1. Open Keychain Access, located in the Utilities folder in the  
Applications folder.


2. Choose Keychain Access > Keychain First Aid.

3. Enter the user name and password.

4.Select Verify and click Start. Any problems found will be displayed.

If there are problems, select Repair, and then click Start.

Log out and then log back into their account and Open Safari and see  
if the problems is corrected.

If not try the below suggestions.

If it is No.! Passwords have been changed:
To change your keychain password:

1. Open Keychain Access, located in the Utilities folder in the  
Applications folder.


2. Choose Edit > “Change Password for Keychain ( keychain name).”

3. If the keychain is locked, type the password to unlock it and click  
OK.


4. Type the current password for this keychain.

5. Type a new password, and then type it again to verify.

6.Click OK.

If it is No.2  Keychain Locking:
Assuming that their default keychain’s password matches their  
account’s password, you can prevent their default keychain from  
locking after they log in or when your Mac enters sleep mode as follows:

In each of their Accounts:
1. Open Keychain Access, located in the Macintosh HD > Applications >  
Utilities folder.


2. Select your default keychain in the Keychains list. By default,  
this is the keychain login.


3. Select Edit > Change Settings for Keychain keychain_name…, where  
keychain_name is the keychain selected in step 2.


4. If the checkbox next to Lock after __ minutes of inactivity is  
selected, deselect it.


5. If the checkbox next to Lock when sleeping is selected, deselect it

6. Click Save.
NB: I don't like suggesting preventing Keychain from locking,  as  
while making these changes averts the inconvenience of regularly being  
prompted for your password, it reduces the overall security of their  
account if  they  leave your Mac unattended. You could set the Display  
to lock if you wanted to.


Cheers,
Ronni


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From: wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au [mailto:wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au] On  
Behalf Of Ronda Brown

Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 3:51 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Keychain?


Hi Hugh,

On 27/08/2009, at 3:01 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:



Ronni, your memory is amazing, I thought I might have asked this
question before but couldn't find the answer.

If I have one user that has admin privileges' is it possible to turn
off keychain for other people?


NO, they require Keychain to store their passwords to login to their
Accounts, their email accounts, iTunes Apple Music Store account.

It's worrying me ... why you want to "Turn Off" Keychain?  Are you
having a problem in your Account or a Non Admin. Account?

Cheers,
Ronni



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Behalf Of Ronda Brown
Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 2:19 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Keychain?


Hi Hugh,

On 27/08/2009, at 1:37 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:



Is there a way to turn off keychain?


You asked this question before back on 5 November 2006.
My answer to you then, and now is the same.

Begin Quote from my email:

"Short Answer to 'Can you Disable Keychain Completely' : No.
Apple's OS X requires at least one admin user account tied to a
password.
See <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106156> for more
details.

The core philosophy behind Mac OS X is that a user with Admin
privileges *needs*
to enter his/her password to install or update any software.
This is a big part of what makes the Mac so much more secure than
other platforms
and there is rightly no way around it."

End Quote:


Or disable it for certain apps, like safari?


In Safari, you could try turning OFF AutoFill.
O

Re: Keychain?

[James Devenish]

Hi Hugh,

You may find that you can go into Safari preferences > Security and
then turn off the auto-fill of passwords. This may then mean Keychain
is not longer used in Safari.

However, a common explanation of this problem is if the password for
the user has changed, in which case the fix is to change the Keychain
password to match the account password. The reason this step is
required is because the Keychain password is used for encrypting the
password, and hence Keychain needs to go through the process of using
the old password to de-crypt the chain followed by using the new
password to re-encrypt the chain.

James


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Re: Keychain?

[Rob Findlay]

delete the login keychain found in the Library/Keychains folder of the  
problem account.
The next time you launch Safari it will complain about not finding a  
keychain and you can choose to reset to defaults. Enter the password  
for that account and a new keychain is created. That will fix the  
problem, I see it quite often.
If you have lots of stuff in the keychain you don't want to lose you  
can try keychain first aid first. Sometimes that repairs it too.


On 27/08/2009, at 4:01 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:



Yes, sort of, in safari both my children ( whose accounts have  
parental controls turned on, but I don't htink this is it) have to  
hit cancel on the keychain pop up constantly to view web pages, it  
doesn't happen for the other three accounts on the systems.



Best Regards
Hugh Griffiths



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Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 3:51 PM
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Subject: Re: Keychain?


Hi Hugh,

On 27/08/2009, at 3:01 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:



Ronni, your memory is amazing, I thought I might have asked this
question before but couldn't find the answer.

If I have one user that has admin privileges' is it possible to turn
off keychain for other people?


NO, they require Keychain to store their passwords to login to their
Accounts, their email accounts, iTunes Apple Music Store account.

It's worrying me ... why you want to "Turn Off" Keychain?  Are you
having a problem in your Account or a Non Admin. Account?

Cheers,
Ronni



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From: wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au [mailto:wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au] On
Behalf Of Ronda Brown
Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 2:19 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Keychain?


Hi Hugh,

On 27/08/2009, at 1:37 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:



Is there a way to turn off keychain?


You asked this question before back on 5 November 2006.
My answer to you then, and now is the same.

Begin Quote from my email:

"Short Answer to 'Can you Disable Keychain Completely' : No.
Apple's OS X requires at least one admin user account tied to a
password.
See <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106156> for more
details.

The core philosophy behind Mac OS X is that a user with Admin
privileges *needs*
to enter his/her password to install or update any software.
This is a big part of what makes the Mac so much more secure than
other platforms
and there is rightly no way around it."

End Quote:


Or disable it for certain apps, like safari?


In Safari, you could try turning OFF AutoFill.
Open Safari, choose Preferences > Autofill and uncheck all three
Items.

Cheers,
Ronni



Best Regards
Hugh Griffiths




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Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 1:05 PM
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Subject: Re: Entourage to Mail



On 25/08/2009, at 9:45 PM, John Daniels wrote:



Hi all
On my Intel iMac I can receive and send emails using Entourage
without a problem and without using a password.

However when I switched to Mac Mail the program  asks me for a
password and does not accept the password which would normally give
me access to Westnet server.
I have checked at Mail preferences - Accounts which looks OK and
phoned Westnet but they could not help.


Hi John,


1. Quit Mail if it's running.
2. Open Keychain Access > Passwords > Internet.
3. Find the password that Mail is having a problem with and delete
it,
then quit Keychain Access.
4. Restart Mail and enter the password again when asked, and check  
to

the box to save it in the Keychain.

It shouldn't ask you again unless your Keychain becomes corrupted in
the future.





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RE: Keychain?

[Hugh Griffiths]

Yes, sort of, in safari both my children ( whose accounts have parental 
controls turned on, but I don't htink this is it) have to hit cancel on the 
keychain pop up constantly to view web pages, it doesn't happen for the other 
three accounts on the systems.

 
Best Regards
Hugh Griffiths



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From: wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au [mailto:wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au] On Behalf Of 
Ronda Brown
Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 3:51 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Keychain?


Hi Hugh,

On 27/08/2009, at 3:01 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:

>
> Ronni, your memory is amazing, I thought I might have asked this  
> question before but couldn't find the answer.
>
> If I have one user that has admin privileges' is it possible to turn  
> off keychain for other people?

NO, they require Keychain to store their passwords to login to their  
Accounts, their email accounts, iTunes Apple Music Store account.

It's worrying me ... why you want to "Turn Off" Keychain?  Are you  
having a problem in your Account or a Non Admin. Account?

Cheers,
Ronni

>
> -Original Message-
> From: wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au [mailto:wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au] On  
> Behalf Of Ronda Brown
> Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 2:19 PM
> To: WAMUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Keychain?
>
>
> Hi Hugh,
>
> On 27/08/2009, at 1:37 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:
>
>>
>> Is there a way to turn off keychain?
>
> You asked this question before back on 5 November 2006.
> My answer to you then, and now is the same.
>
> Begin Quote from my email:
>
> "Short Answer to 'Can you Disable Keychain Completely' : No.
> Apple's OS X requires at least one admin user account tied to a
> password.
> See <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106156> for more
> details.
>
> The core philosophy behind Mac OS X is that a user with Admin
> privileges *needs*
> to enter his/her password to install or update any software.
> This is a big part of what makes the Mac so much more secure than
> other platforms
> and there is rightly no way around it."
>
> End Quote:
>
>> Or disable it for certain apps, like safari?
>
> In Safari, you could try turning OFF AutoFill.
> Open Safari, choose Preferences > Autofill and uncheck all three  
> Items.
>
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>>
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Hugh Griffiths
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au [mailto:wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au] On
>> Behalf Of Ronda Brown
>> Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 1:05 PM
>> To: WAMUG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: Entourage to Mail
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25/08/2009, at 9:45 PM, John Daniels wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>> On my Intel iMac I can receive and send emails using Entourage
>>> without a problem and without using a password.
>>>
>>> However when I switched to Mac Mail the program  asks me for a
>>> password and does not accept the password which would normally give
>>> me access to Westnet server.
>>> I have checked at Mail preferences - Accounts which looks OK and
>>> phoned Westnet but they could not help.
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>>
>> 1. Quit Mail if it's running.
>> 2. Open Keychain Access > Passwords > Internet.
>> 3. Find the password that Mail is having a problem with and delete  
>> it,
>> then quit Keychain Access.
>> 4. Restart Mail and enter the password again when asked, and check to
>> the box to save it in the Keychain.
>>
>> It shouldn't ask you again unless your Keychain becomes corrupted in
>> the future.
>>



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Re: Keychain?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Hugh,

On 27/08/2009, at 3:01 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:



Ronni, your memory is amazing, I thought I might have asked this  
question before but couldn't find the answer.


If I have one user that has admin privileges' is it possible to turn  
off keychain for other people?


NO, they require Keychain to store their passwords to login to their  
Accounts, their email accounts, iTunes Apple Music Store account.


It's worrying me ... why you want to "Turn Off" Keychain?  Are you  
having a problem in your Account or a Non Admin. Account?


Cheers,
Ronni



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From: wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au [mailto:wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au] On  
Behalf Of Ronda Brown

Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 2:19 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Keychain?


Hi Hugh,

On 27/08/2009, at 1:37 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:



Is there a way to turn off keychain?


You asked this question before back on 5 November 2006.
My answer to you then, and now is the same.

Begin Quote from my email:

"Short Answer to 'Can you Disable Keychain Completely' : No.
Apple's OS X requires at least one admin user account tied to a
password.
See <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106156> for more
details.

The core philosophy behind Mac OS X is that a user with Admin
privileges *needs*
to enter his/her password to install or update any software.
This is a big part of what makes the Mac so much more secure than
other platforms
and there is rightly no way around it."

End Quote:


Or disable it for certain apps, like safari?


In Safari, you could try turning OFF AutoFill.
Open Safari, choose Preferences > Autofill and uncheck all three  
Items.


Cheers,
Ronni



Best Regards
Hugh Griffiths




-Original Message-
From: wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au [mailto:wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au] On
Behalf Of Ronda Brown
Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 1:05 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Entourage to Mail



On 25/08/2009, at 9:45 PM, John Daniels wrote:



Hi all
On my Intel iMac I can receive and send emails using Entourage
without a problem and without using a password.

However when I switched to Mac Mail the program  asks me for a
password and does not accept the password which would normally give
me access to Westnet server.
I have checked at Mail preferences - Accounts which looks OK and
phoned Westnet but they could not help.


Hi John,


1. Quit Mail if it's running.
2. Open Keychain Access > Passwords > Internet.
3. Find the password that Mail is having a problem with and delete  
it,

then quit Keychain Access.
4. Restart Mail and enter the password again when asked, and check to
the box to save it in the Keychain.

It shouldn't ask you again unless your Keychain becomes corrupted in
the future.





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RE: Keychain?

[Hugh Griffiths]

Ronni, your memory is amazing, I thought I might have asked this question 
before but couldn't find the answer. 

If I have one user that has admin privileges' is it possible to turn off 
keychain for other people?

 
Best Regards
Hugh Griffiths




-Original Message-
From: wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au [mailto:wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au] On Behalf Of 
Ronda Brown
Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 2:19 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Keychain?


Hi Hugh,

On 27/08/2009, at 1:37 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:

>
> Is there a way to turn off keychain?

You asked this question before back on 5 November 2006.
My answer to you then, and now is the same.

Begin Quote from my email:

"Short Answer to 'Can you Disable Keychain Completely' : No.
Apple's OS X requires at least one admin user account tied to a  
password.
See <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106156> for more  
details.

The core philosophy behind Mac OS X is that a user with Admin  
privileges *needs*
to enter his/her password to install or update any software.
This is a big part of what makes the Mac so much more secure than  
other platforms
and there is rightly no way around it."

End Quote:

> Or disable it for certain apps, like safari?

In Safari, you could try turning OFF AutoFill.
Open Safari, choose Preferences > Autofill and uncheck all three Items.

Cheers,
Ronni
>
>
> Best Regards
> Hugh Griffiths
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au [mailto:wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au] On  
> Behalf Of Ronda Brown
> Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 1:05 PM
> To: WAMUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Entourage to Mail
>
>
>
> On 25/08/2009, at 9:45 PM, John Daniels wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all
>> On my Intel iMac I can receive and send emails using Entourage
>> without a problem and without using a password.
>>
>> However when I switched to Mac Mail the program  asks me for a
>> password and does not accept the password which would normally give
>> me access to Westnet server.
>> I have checked at Mail preferences - Accounts which looks OK and
>> phoned Westnet but they could not help.
>
> Hi John,
>
>
> 1. Quit Mail if it's running.
> 2. Open Keychain Access > Passwords > Internet.
> 3. Find the password that Mail is having a problem with and delete it,
> then quit Keychain Access.
> 4. Restart Mail and enter the password again when asked, and check to
> the box to save it in the Keychain.
>
>  It shouldn't ask you again unless your Keychain becomes corrupted in
> the future.
>



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Re: Keychain?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Hugh,

On 27/08/2009, at 1:37 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote:



Is there a way to turn off keychain?


You asked this question before back on 5 November 2006.
My answer to you then, and now is the same.

Begin Quote from my email:

"Short Answer to 'Can you Disable Keychain Completely' : No.
Apple's OS X requires at least one admin user account tied to a  
password.
See  for more  
details.


The core philosophy behind Mac OS X is that a user with Admin  
privileges *needs*

to enter his/her password to install or update any software.
This is a big part of what makes the Mac so much more secure than  
other platforms

and there is rightly no way around it."

End Quote:


Or disable it for certain apps, like safari?


In Safari, you could try turning OFF AutoFill.
Open Safari, choose Preferences > Autofill and uncheck all three Items.

Cheers,
Ronni



Best Regards
Hugh Griffiths




-Original Message-
From: wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au [mailto:wamug-ow...@wamug.org.au] On  
Behalf Of Ronda Brown

Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 1:05 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Entourage to Mail



On 25/08/2009, at 9:45 PM, John Daniels wrote:



Hi all
On my Intel iMac I can receive and send emails using Entourage
without a problem and without using a password.

However when I switched to Mac Mail the program  asks me for a
password and does not accept the password which would normally give
me access to Westnet server.
I have checked at Mail preferences - Accounts which looks OK and
phoned Westnet but they could not help.


Hi John,


1. Quit Mail if it's running.
2. Open Keychain Access > Passwords > Internet.
3. Find the password that Mail is having a problem with and delete it,
then quit Keychain Access.
4. Restart Mail and enter the password again when asked, and check to
the box to save it in the Keychain.

 It shouldn't ask you again unless your Keychain becomes corrupted in
the future.





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Re: Keychain not holding web authentication details on new iMac

[Mark Secker]

... DUH please ignore Shey pointed me in the right direction and I'm  
obviously having an "asleep at the wheel" kinda day as I didn't have  
the "name and password" tickbox selected in safari security.   only  
being using macs for 24 years so I'm still a gN00bzor



On 06/03/2008, at 10:21 AM, Mark Secker wrote:

I've just set up and started using a new iMac and I noticed that  
keychain is not holding web site authentication details as per,  
well, every other mac I use.


I've tried reseting Keychain, it still holds other details (attached  
servers, iTunes etc).


any ideas?


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Re: Keychain troubles

[Rob Findlay]

There is a little program called keychain first aid. It's accessed from with
the keychain access program from the keychain access menu at the top.
Try this first.

On 14/10/06 10:55 AM, "Pat Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> My Keychain application has suddenly become corrupted.  It no longer
> recognises any password for me, past or present.  This same thing
> happened previously, about 2 years ago.  I'm using OS 10.4.8,
> upgraded from .7 a week ago, on a G4 1.42 gH dual processor PPC.
> 
> I booted from the Tiger installation disk and used that disk utility
> to change the password, but it still doesn't work.
> 
> If I throw out the com.apple.keychainaccess.plist, will I lose all
> the passwords stored there?  I used to have most of the keychain
> items set so that I could see the note with out my password, but this
> has changed, and the password is demanded and rejected.
> 
> I can open the plist with the property list editor - is there
> anything I can do with that?  Can I do anything with sudo?  I have
> used Terminal for a few simple things before.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> TIA,
> Pat
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Re: Keychain gone freaky

[Shay Telfer]

Hello, WAMUGgers,
	Suddenly, without warning, keychain access seems to have 
changed its password.  I'm the only one who uses this machine, and I 
didn't do it!  I have always left it at the default password, the 
same one I use to start the computer.  This password no longer 
works.  I looked in Help, and found the following advice and tried 
it, but it hasn't worked.


Reboot. See if the Keychain works. Make a backup of your keychain. 
Then try opening Keychain Access and then choose Keychain First Aid 
from the Window menu. You should then be able to verify or repair the 
keychain.


If 10.2.8 doesn't have this option, you can download a Keychain First 
Aid application from Apple.


While you're at it run Disk Utility and DiskWarrior (if you've got 
it) over your drive to see if there's anything amiss they can detect.


Good luck,
Shay
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Re: Keychain keeps asking for password

[Moorey]

Did you do a system update and force quit without restart?

Had that problem but after restarting, the problem's gone.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:07 PM
Subject: Keychain keeps asking for password


> Anyone know why in OS 10.2.5 my keychain keeps asking for a password
> when I have asked it to remember my password when opening mail in
> outlook express?
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Re: Keychain & passwords

[Shay Telfer]

Entourage keeps asking for passwords for my mail account, even though I
entered them in accounts, they disappear. I tried to access the keychain
but that is locked even tho I'm logged in. I tried using keychain firstaid,
but that says it can't open key chain either. Anybody got a clue?


You could always try deleting your keychain and creating a new one. 
This assumes of course that you can remember all the passwords in it!


Keychains are in ~/Library/Keychains folder.

If your keychain password is the same as your login password the 
keychain should be unlocked automatically when you login.


If you've installed the old PGP beta I've got a sneaking suspicion 
that it interacts poorly with the Keychain at the moment, so you 
might want to update the PGP beta.


Have fun,
Shay
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