Re: [wdvltalk] Email addresses on websites
At 11:21 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote: Just finishing up a site, and I was wondering - are most people still putting email addresses up on a site, and if so, are they encrypted? I thought I heard from somewhere that was a primary way that spammers were getting addresses. If anyone has any opinions on this, I'm all ears! Unless a client insists, I do not use site email addys. It's my understanding the bots have figured out how to decode all those little coding things people have been using to try to circumvent them. As for forms don't even bother w/a cgi form - they just pummel those and feast like no tomorrow. Use a strong php email form is my suggestion. ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Email addresses on websites
Thanks Deb. I think we need to put the email addresses on the site, but perhaps not in mailto:; tags. Is that what the bots look at when scanning? Todd -Original Message- From: Digital Mouse Designs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:02 PM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Email addresses on websites At 11:21 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote: Just finishing up a site, and I was wondering - are most people still putting email addresses up on a site, and if so, are they encrypted? I thought I heard from somewhere that was a primary way that spammers were getting addresses. If anyone has any opinions on this, I'm all ears! Unless a client insists, I do not use site email addys. It's my understanding the bots have figured out how to decode all those little coding things people have been using to try to circumvent them. As for forms don't even bother w/a cgi form - they just pummel those and feast like no tomorrow. Use a strong php email form is my suggestion. ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Email addresses on websites
At 12:58 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote: Thanks Deb. I think we need to put the email addresses on the site, but perhaps not in mailto:; tags. Is that what the bots look at when scanning? I can't say for sure what they specifically look for but if you feel strongly about putting the email on the sites, then I don't understand why the original question? I thought you asked for opinions and info about putting them on or not? Maybe I misunderstood. It's been a very long UN productive day for me so my brain's fried. I probably just didn't get what you asked and jumped in w/a dumb response. Sorry! ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Email addresses on websites
Todd: If it's your client who wants to put the address on the site then it might be an idea to go over the risks with them and suggest the PHP contact form. If it's you who wants to put it on (and we can't talk you out of it lol) then you could try populating a clickable mail link using a PHP script - not sure bots can get at it then. To answer your direct question, I'm not sure how spambots scan for mail links, but I had a few addresses written purely as inline text (no link) and never really got hit with spam. MOU � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Email addresses on websites
The original question - properly re-phrased - would have been more towards coding the email address links - whether to use a script to encrypt them, or not to program them in a link at all. I don't see how you can't have an email address on a website. OK, I see how you can do it, but that's a very frustrating thing when I go to a site is not being able to find a way to email them. I just wasn't sure what the best practice is, and whether the bots scan for the mailto tags, or the actual content on the page. Sorry for the confusion - hope the day gets better! :) Todd -Original Message- From: Digital Mouse Designs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:13 PM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] Email addresses on websites At 12:58 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote: Thanks Deb. I think we need to put the email addresses on the site, but perhaps not in mailto:; tags. Is that what the bots look at when scanning? I can't say for sure what they specifically look for but if you feel strongly about putting the email on the sites, then I don't understand why the original question? I thought you asked for opinions and info about putting them on or not? Maybe I misunderstood. It's been a very long UN productive day for me so my brain's fried. I probably just didn't get what you asked and jumped in w/a dumb response. Sorry! ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Email addresses on websites
Thanks Ross. This is an interesting article: http://accessfp.net/protect-your-email-address.htm I tested one of my pages without the mailto: link and it still found the address on the page. Here is a way to test a page: http://willmaster.com/possibilities/demo/RetrieveEmails.cgi So I guess that answered my question! Sucks that we even have to worry about this! Todd -Original Message- From: Ross Clutterbuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:35 PM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Email addresses on websites Todd: If it's your client who wants to put the address on the site then it might be an idea to go over the risks with them and suggest the PHP contact form. If it's you who wants to put it on (and we can't talk you out of it lol) then you could try populating a clickable mail link using a PHP script - not sure bots can get at it then. To answer your direct question, I'm not sure how spambots scan for mail links, but I had a few addresses written purely as inline text (no link) and never really got hit with spam. MOU The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Email addresses on websites
At 01:42 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote: OK, I see how you can do it, but that's a very frustrating thing when I go to a site is not being able to find a way to email them. That's what contact forms are for. g My experience is that the Mom'n'Pop - homemade sites who don't use a real designer use email addys. Professional sites use forms. But that's just my experience. I hope the day gets better too - but it ain't! ÷÷÷ ÷÷÷ ÷ ÷÷÷ Deb Designer @ Digital Mouse Designs com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Email addresses on websites
Todd Richards wrote: Thanks Ross. This is an interesting article: http://accessfp.net/protect-your-email-address.htm I tested one of my pages without the mailto: link and it still found the address on the page. Here is a way to test a page: http://willmaster.com/possibilities/demo/RetrieveEmails.cgi I'm using a javascript method that I think someone on this list (was it Rudy?) recommended a long time ago. View the source at http://www.shefen.com If you have javascript on you see a normal mailto link, with javascript off you get webdev05 [at] shefen [dot] com. It passes the willmaster.com test. Also the address I'm using is webdev05 where 05 means I created it and put it online in 2005. At the time I figured I would need to periodically create new addresses but so far so good. The only spam I get is from real people trying to sell me their services or ask for link exchanges, nothing automated. -- Sheila http://www.shefen.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
