Re: [wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...
Quoting Zachary Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I would get answers straight from MS if you ask 5 people about MS > licensing you will likely get 5 different answers. There should be a > degree program for it. We found a fantastically simple solution to the issue: We migrated the entire system to Linux and saved them nearly £17,000 on licensing fees in the process. I love open source, Matt. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...
This is my experience too. I spent a while on the phone with MS license people. If your visitors are truly anonymous, then win2k3 server running IIS requires no CALs. If the users create accounts of ANY kind or log in, they are considered known users and CALs are required, unless you are running Web Edition. MS would like to assert that even tracking users by IP qualifies as known users, but that is a stretch in my mind. If your web server and database are both running win2k3 and one server accesses another, MS also wants you to purchase a server connector license (dont remember the exact name) that allows on MS server to access another on behalf of a licensed user. Its a racket. I would get answers straight from MS if you ask 5 people about MS licensing you will likely get 5 different answers. There should be a degree program for it. Zach On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Ross Clutterbuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Picking up something on Tim said, in my experience I've never needed > any CALs whatsoever. I've always had teh server serving some data > access or whatever and all connections to those services have either > been web access or similar generic calls from locally-run apps - > because I've never had any actual specific user with accounts log in > to the server and have specific user stuff on there you don't need > CALs. > > Even if your VB app is using specific user logons, you may still not > need CALs because you're only transferring data to a central store. > > You will need CALs if you're storing user-specific information on the > server and local user accounts require authentication with the server > and retrieve settings (like a domain logon). > > So yeah, work out exactly how, what and why the VB app is connecting > to the server, how that relates to user logos and then call M$. > > MOU > > 2008/11/12 Furry, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Matt wrote... > > The Server will be running a bespoke database application and therefore > > clients will be accessing the database. The clients will _not_ be > > accessing any file/print services on this server, although they will be > > authenticating against it. > > > > I started to look into this however I can't work out if they organisation > > needs extra licenses for the desktops if all they are doing is > > authentication and access a database that is not an MS product. > > > > Tim replies... > > It depends a lot on your application and its footprint. For instance, we > > put in a Win2k3 server but I knew it was only going to serve web apps, so > > it doesn't need CALs and we were able to go with a much less expensive > > Win2k3 version (web version, it's like $500US). I can't install MS > > databases on it due to the web version but our database was elsewhere > > anyway. > > > > If your clients are running a VB app that is located on the server, I think > > you'll probably need CALs since each user will have to authenticate against > > the server itself before running the app. If your clients are running the > > VB app on local machines and it reaches across the network to access the > > server for the database, you may or may not need CALs. It's my > > understanding that CALs are primarily needed where users are directly > > accessing the server to run some application. > > > > Cheryl recommended calling MS, and I do too, but you need to gather the > > required information first. At a former job we got three different answers > > from three different MS reps, so it may pay to poke around some. We finally > > decided against CALs and structured the situation to keep direct server > > logins to a minimum. > > > > HTH...don't take it for written in stone though...MS changes licensing > > every so often and it's a real sore spot with small to medium sized > > businesses. :) > > > > Tim > > > > • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • > > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > > use the web interface > > http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ > > Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > > Jupitermedia Corp. > > Attn: Discussion List Management > > 475 Park Avenue South > > New York, NY 10016 > > > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > > > • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ > Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, a
RE:[wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...
Quoting "Furry, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Cheryl recommended calling MS, and I do too, but you need to gather the required information first. At a former job we got three different answers from three different MS reps, so it may pay to poke around some. We finally decided against CALs and structured the situation to keep direct server logins to a minimum. HTH...don't take it for written in stone though...MS changes licensing every so often and it's a real sore spot with small to medium sized businesses. :) It's alright, it's sorted. The application is based on Cardbox, not MSSQL and we can migrate Cardbox to Linux. F/L/OSS = 1 Microsoft = 0 M. :o) -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...
Picking up something on Tim said, in my experience I've never needed any CALs whatsoever. I've always had teh server serving some data access or whatever and all connections to those services have either been web access or similar generic calls from locally-run apps - because I've never had any actual specific user with accounts log in to the server and have specific user stuff on there you don't need CALs. Even if your VB app is using specific user logons, you may still not need CALs because you're only transferring data to a central store. You will need CALs if you're storing user-specific information on the server and local user accounts require authentication with the server and retrieve settings (like a domain logon). So yeah, work out exactly how, what and why the VB app is connecting to the server, how that relates to user logos and then call M$. MOU 2008/11/12 Furry, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Matt wrote... > The Server will be running a bespoke database application and therefore > clients will be accessing the database. The clients will _not_ be accessing > any file/print services on this server, although they will be authenticating > against it. > > I started to look into this however I can't work out if they organisation > needs extra licenses for the desktops if all they are doing is authentication > and access a database that is not an MS product. > > Tim replies... > It depends a lot on your application and its footprint. For instance, we put > in a Win2k3 server but I knew it was only going to serve web apps, so it > doesn't need CALs and we were able to go with a much less expensive Win2k3 > version (web version, it's like $500US). I can't install MS databases on it > due to the web version but our database was elsewhere anyway. > > If your clients are running a VB app that is located on the server, I think > you'll probably need CALs since each user will have to authenticate against > the server itself before running the app. If your clients are running the VB > app on local machines and it reaches across the network to access the server > for the database, you may or may not need CALs. It's my understanding that > CALs are primarily needed where users are directly accessing the server to > run some application. > > Cheryl recommended calling MS, and I do too, but you need to gather the > required information first. At a former job we got three different answers > from three different MS reps, so it may pay to poke around some. We finally > decided against CALs and structured the situation to keep direct server > logins to a minimum. > > HTH...don't take it for written in stone though...MS changes licensing every > so often and it's a real sore spot with small to medium sized businesses. :) > > Tim > > • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ > Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...
Matt wrote... The Server will be running a bespoke database application and therefore clients will be accessing the database. The clients will _not_ be accessing any file/print services on this server, although they will be authenticating against it. I started to look into this however I can't work out if they organisation needs extra licenses for the desktops if all they are doing is authentication and access a database that is not an MS product. Tim replies... It depends a lot on your application and its footprint. For instance, we put in a Win2k3 server but I knew it was only going to serve web apps, so it doesn't need CALs and we were able to go with a much less expensive Win2k3 version (web version, it's like $500US). I can't install MS databases on it due to the web version but our database was elsewhere anyway. If your clients are running a VB app that is located on the server, I think you'll probably need CALs since each user will have to authenticate against the server itself before running the app. If your clients are running the VB app on local machines and it reaches across the network to access the server for the database, you may or may not need CALs. It's my understanding that CALs are primarily needed where users are directly accessing the server to run some application. Cheryl recommended calling MS, and I do too, but you need to gather the required information first. At a former job we got three different answers from three different MS reps, so it may pay to poke around some. We finally decided against CALs and structured the situation to keep direct server logins to a minimum. HTH...don't take it for written in stone though...MS changes licensing every so often and it's a real sore spot with small to medium sized businesses. :) Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...
Quoting Cheryl D Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Forms based authentication, SQL automation or alive directory? ummm... pass. Next question? :oP Accessing through web based front end or file system? u... through a VB aplication. I hate Ms licensing, way too complex but call Ms UK licensing and ask them, is *think* if you are using form based authentication you don't need CALs (Client Access License) buts I will confess to being uncertain. OK, thanks for the heads-up, I'll give MS a ring. M. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...
Forms based authentication, SQL automation or alive directory? Accessing through web based front end or file system? I hate Ms licensing, way too complex but call Ms UK licensing and ask them, is *think* if you are using form based authentication you don't need CALs (Client Access License) buts I will confess to being uncertain. Cheryl D Wise Beginner Expression Web tutorial: Creating a basic website video tutorial - http://by-expression.com/media/p/1300.aspx Original Message- From: Matthew Macdonald-Wallace I'm working on a project at the moment where we need to purchase an additional Windows 2003 server license. The Server will be running a bespoke database application and therefore clients will be accessing the database. The clients will _not_ be accessing any file/print services on this server, although they will be authenticating against it. I started to look into this however I can't work out if they organisation needs extra licenses for the desktops if all they are doing is authentication and access a database that is not an MS product. Can anyone help? The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...
Hi All, I'm working on a project at the moment where we need to purchase an additional Windows 2003 server license. The Server will be running a bespoke database application and therefore clients will be accessing the database. The clients will _not_ be accessing any file/print services on this server, although they will be authenticating against it. I started to look into this however I can't work out if they organisation needs extra licenses for the desktops if all they are doing is authentication and access a database that is not an MS product. Can anyone help? Thanks, Matt -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
