Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
Sounds to me that you'll have much better luck approaching this in a much more secure way instead of trying to fudge through limited tools available to you. If this school is even partially serious about protecting its pupils then they should be open to discussion and you can illustrate these difficulties you're having and the best way to achieve this goal. To be honest though if this sensitive information is run from the school's intranet then either they need to set up a secure VPN so you can dial-in directly to the intranet or you simply don't provide external access - if the school wants this information accessible then they should really give the pupils provision to access it within school hours. Just my opinion! MOU 2008/10/20 Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 5:43 PM, steve miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main info on the site is pw protected, but I'm hoping to increase security and settle some parents' anxiety by hiding it all together. It has trip signup info, contact info, pictures... and they don't want predators lurking. If it's online, it's not hidden. :-) The only actual security is restricting access to authenticated users (with strong SSL login protection). Ask yourself this: can you tell parents that you're doing everything to protect those student resources that, say, their bank is doing to protect their account information? If not, then do it. But trying to hide a query string or URL is not doing anything for anyone. Really. :-) FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
OK. Thanks for the thoughts. steve On Oct 19, 2008, at 9:23 PM, Sheila Fenelon wrote: steve miller wrote: Hi Sheila. Guess I'm being thick here, but wouldn't the logged in visitor still see the url to the intermediate script? Or are you thinking it will happen so fast that they won't be able to read it? Yes, exactly. Beside the URL is viewable on the protected site right? You can't hide it completely. It'll be in the browser's history as well. On Oct 19, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Sheila Fenelon wrote: steve miller wrote: Guess I need to give more info. This is a private site that the school does not want accessed via the open web. They don't have an intranet, so what we are doing is making it only available through a site that they contract (edline.net). In this way, school members log into edline first with a username and pw, then they see the link to the private site. In order to keep general web visitors from even seeing the home page, I am requiring a certain variable be present. If the variable is not present, we re-direct to the school site which is public. So the problem is that I don't even want the members to see the variable, or it might unintentionally get out. I don't even want them to know that a variable is being passed. If they see the id in the url, they might pass it on and the result is the same. So...I was hoping that somehow I could accept the variable but hide it by re-writing the url. Is something like that possible? How about this? Use an intermediate script. The script that checks for the variable sets a cookie and then redirects to the protected page. The protected page checks for the cookie. If either check fails they redirect to the public site. Sheila -- http://www.shefen.com/ • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] dl.sparklist.com or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/ discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
I seem to remember someone saying that if you redirect a url and use masking, the real url won't show - is this true? (And an option?) Riva On 10/20/2008 8:49 AM, steve miller wrote: OK. Thanks for the thoughts. steve • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
Couldn't agree more, but the school is not very up on technology yet. We are actually a club of parents that support various school activities, like their music program. We run trips and things to raise money, so we are not officially part of the school system. The school has a basic site, but they don't do much with it. We wrote an application to help us coordinate everything, and facilitate signups, $ tracking, etc. We need the student IDs, names, grades, contact info, etc to make it all work. Technically, the school's only involvement is to sanction it, share the student info, and give us a link from their edline account. It would be different if the school initiated the project, but they didn't. So, our task is to make it as secure as possible in order to sell it to all the other parents. If they can google it and find it, they might not use it. We have a secure login and a certificate on the site, so any sensitive info will be difficult to see. However, but we were hoping to make it difficult to even hit so parents would feel more comfortable. I know that we will never hide it completely, we just want to do the best we can. steve On Oct 20, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Ross Clutterbuck wrote: Sounds to me that you'll have much better luck approaching this in a much more secure way instead of trying to fudge through limited tools available to you. If this school is even partially serious about protecting its pupils then they should be open to discussion and you can illustrate these difficulties you're having and the best way to achieve this goal. To be honest though if this sensitive information is run from the school's intranet then either they need to set up a secure VPN so you can dial-in directly to the intranet or you simply don't provide external access - if the school wants this information accessible then they should really give the pupils provision to access it within school hours. Just my opinion! MOU The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
On 10/20/2008 01:54 PM, Portman wrote: I seem to remember someone saying that if you redirect a url and use masking, the real url won't show - is this true? (And an option?) No. You have to tell the browser what URL to go to, in order for it to go to it. There's no way to get the browser to go to an URL without telling it what the URL is :) The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
Hi all. Could use some help with a url rewrite, if possible... I am sending a variable from one site to another via a url string because I don't have access to send it as a form post variable. Thus, the variable is viewable, like index.html?this=that. I'd like to hide the variable value. Is it possible to send this string, but have it show in the url bar as something else, like index.html or index.html?this=gibberish so no one can easily see what I am sending? Thanks! Steve The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:10 AM, steve miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sending a variable from one site to another via a url string because I don't have access to send it as a form post variable. Thus, the variable is viewable, like index.html?this=that. I'd like to hide the variable value. Is it possible to send this string, but have it show in the url bar as something else, like index.html or index.html?this=gibberish so no one can easily see what I am sending? You can encrypt the value, as long as the other server processing the request knows how to unencrypt it. But why exactly can't you just post it? -- Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
Hi Hassan. The other site is a commercial site that our school uses (edline.net) and they (so far) are only allowing us to post links on their site, not forms. Since I am not the school's contact with edline, I can't ask directly, and the person who is the contact is not being very helpful. If I had server or site access (or just a helpful tech), I could do lots of things, but no luck. So, I am stuck with a simple url and I'd like to hide the variable being sent. steve On Oct 19, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:10 AM, steve miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sending a variable from one site to another via a url string because I don't have access to send it as a form post variable. Thus, the variable is viewable, like index.html?this=that. I'd like to hide the variable value. Is it possible to send this string, but have it show in the url bar as something else, like index.html or index.html?this=gibberish so no one can easily see what I am sending? You can encrypt the value, as long as the other server processing the request knows how to unencrypt it. But why exactly can't you just post it? -- Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:30 PM, steve miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they (so far) are only allowing us to post links on their site, not forms. / So, I am stuck with a simple url and I'd like to hide the variable being sent. OK, got it. If it were me, I'd probably just put the values in question in a lookup table with an associated ID and put the ID in the URL. Since the relationship of the ID and value is arbitrary, there's no way to derive the value (without following the link, at which point I'd think it would be apparent, but maybe not). Anyway, HTH! H* -- Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
Guess I need to give more info. This is a private site that the school does not want accessed via the open web. They don't have an intranet, so what we are doing is making it only available through a site that they contract (edline.net). In this way, school members log into edline first with a username and pw, then they see the link to the private site. In order to keep general web visitors from even seeing the home page, I am requiring a certain variable be present. If the variable is not present, we re-direct to the school site which is public. So the problem is that I don't even want the members to see the variable, or it might unintentionally get out. I don't even want them to know that a variable is being passed. If they see the id in the url, they might pass it on and the result is the same. So...I was hoping that somehow I could accept the variable but hide it by re-writing the url. Is something like that possible? steve OK, got it. If it were me, I'd probably just put the values in question in a lookup table with an associated ID and put the ID in the URL. Since the relationship of the ID and value is arbitrary, there's no way to derive the value (without following the link, at which point I'd think it would be apparent, but maybe not). Anyway, HTH! H* -- Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
steve miller wrote: Guess I need to give more info. This is a private site that the school does not want accessed via the open web. They don't have an intranet, so what we are doing is making it only available through a site that they contract (edline.net). In this way, school members log into edline first with a username and pw, then they see the link to the private site. In order to keep general web visitors from even seeing the home page, I am requiring a certain variable be present. If the variable is not present, we re-direct to the school site which is public. So the problem is that I don't even want the members to see the variable, or it might unintentionally get out. I don't even want them to know that a variable is being passed. If they see the id in the url, they might pass it on and the result is the same. So...I was hoping that somehow I could accept the variable but hide it by re-writing the url. Is something like that possible? How about this? Use an intermediate script. The script that checks for the variable sets a cookie and then redirects to the protected page. The protected page checks for the cookie. If either check fails they redirect to the public site. Sheila -- http://www.shefen.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
Hi Sheila. Guess I'm being thick here, but wouldn't the logged in visitor still see the url to the intermediate script? Or are you thinking it will happen so fast that they won't be able to read it? steve On Oct 19, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Sheila Fenelon wrote: steve miller wrote: Guess I need to give more info. This is a private site that the school does not want accessed via the open web. They don't have an intranet, so what we are doing is making it only available through a site that they contract (edline.net). In this way, school members log into edline first with a username and pw, then they see the link to the private site. In order to keep general web visitors from even seeing the home page, I am requiring a certain variable be present. If the variable is not present, we re-direct to the school site which is public. So the problem is that I don't even want the members to see the variable, or it might unintentionally get out. I don't even want them to know that a variable is being passed. If they see the id in the url, they might pass it on and the result is the same. So...I was hoping that somehow I could accept the variable but hide it by re-writing the url. Is something like that possible? How about this? Use an intermediate script. The script that checks for the variable sets a cookie and then redirects to the protected page. The protected page checks for the cookie. If either check fails they redirect to the public site. Sheila -- http://www.shefen.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
On Oct 19, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:58 PM, steve miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this way, school members log into edline first with a username and pw, then they see the link to the private site. So, I'm hoping I understand this correctly -- the edline site is password protected but the other site isn't? You're just trying to keep it on the QT, i.e., security though obscurity? yep. So...I was hoping that somehow I could accept the variable but hide it by re-writing the url. Is something like that possible? No. Anything in the query string is visible, period, even if obfuscated. Darn. If you want to keep your internal site private, you need to password protect it. The main info on the site is pw protected, but I'm hoping to increase security and settle some parents' anxiety by hiding it all together. It has trip signup info, contact info, pictures... and they don't want predators lurking. steve The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
steve miller wrote: Hi Sheila. Guess I'm being thick here, but wouldn't the logged in visitor still see the url to the intermediate script? Or are you thinking it will happen so fast that they won't be able to read it? Yes, exactly. Beside the URL is viewable on the protected site right? You can't hide it completely. It'll be in the browser's history as well. On Oct 19, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Sheila Fenelon wrote: steve miller wrote: Guess I need to give more info. This is a private site that the school does not want accessed via the open web. They don't have an intranet, so what we are doing is making it only available through a site that they contract (edline.net). In this way, school members log into edline first with a username and pw, then they see the link to the private site. In order to keep general web visitors from even seeing the home page, I am requiring a certain variable be present. If the variable is not present, we re-direct to the school site which is public. So the problem is that I don't even want the members to see the variable, or it might unintentionally get out. I don't even want them to know that a variable is being passed. If they see the id in the url, they might pass it on and the result is the same. So...I was hoping that somehow I could accept the variable but hide it by re-writing the url. Is something like that possible? How about this? Use an intermediate script. The script that checks for the variable sets a cookie and then redirects to the protected page. The protected page checks for the cookie. If either check fails they redirect to the public site. Sheila -- http://www.shefen.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] url rewrite help needed
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 5:43 PM, steve miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main info on the site is pw protected, but I'm hoping to increase security and settle some parents' anxiety by hiding it all together. It has trip signup info, contact info, pictures... and they don't want predators lurking. If it's online, it's not hidden. :-) The only actual security is restricting access to authenticated users (with strong SSL login protection). Ask yourself this: can you tell parents that you're doing everything to protect those student resources that, say, their bank is doing to protect their account information? If not, then do it. But trying to hide a query string or URL is not doing anything for anyone. Really. :-) FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
