Re: [libreoffice-website] Previous versions of LibreOffice, where?
On 2011-03-28 2:45 AM, SnowmanDK wrote: Hi As the current 3.3 version don't work with roaming profiles in Windows, That's funny - since we're using LibO 3.3.1/3 and roaming profiles... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Previous versions of LibreOffice, where?
On 2011-03-28 2:25 PM, ol klaus-jürgen weghorn wrote: Maybe you can CC'ing or connecting SnowmanDK and ask him what happened. And/Or even you can make a (short) description in our wiki about how to do it right. Such users will give a bad resonance like: LibO is bullshit because we can't get or so. But thats why its funny - I haven't doing anything different or special - we just seamlessly switched from OOo to LibO... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Ping Florian - StartCom Certs
On 2011-02-27 7:10 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Nearly all modern browsers support it, except any IE version on Windows XP, and very old builds of other browsers. Well, that only leaves out many many millions of XP users then... ;) -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Ping Florian - StartCom Certs
On 2011-02-28 8:05 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-02-27 7:10 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Nearly all modern browsers support it, except any IE version on Windows XP, and very old builds of other browsers. Well, that only leaves out many many millions of XP users then... ;) What leaves out? None of the functionality for regular users requires https - thus all end-users are unaffected. Hmmm, well, thats true enough... ;) sorry for the noise... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] PayPal without account
On 2011-02-21 7:26 AM, Erich Christian wrote: Hi, AFAIK it was never possible to use paypal without having an account with them, also if you pay by CC the card data have to be inserted and verified somewhere... I believe you are incorrect... there are lots of sites that allow this. If I am not mistaken, it is an option that must be enabled in the Paypal accounts settings. From a quick random google: Here's how to turn this setting on within your PayPal account: 1. Log in to your PayPal Account here and select the Profile tab. 2. Under Selling Preferences select the Website Payment Preferences link. 3. Scroll down the page to the section titled PayPal Account Optional and select On. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Identifying complete build number on Download pages...
Hello, This is something that has always bugged me no end... The 'Help About LibreOffice' dialog shows something like: LibreOffice 3.3.0 OOO330m19 (Build:6) tag libreoffice-3.3.0.4 Would it please be possible to make it a formal policy that this very same identification be provided on the download pages (for both release and pre-release) versions? This makes it easy to know which version I am running... I currently don't know if the above is 3.3.1rc1 or not... I think it is, but... how to be sure? Thanks, -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
On 2011-02-08 10:16 PM, Michael Wheatland wrote: I have used math captcha as you are suggesting. It doesn't work at all in my experience. Not sure if you are aware but computers are quite good at calculating math problems, usually better than humans. Same goes for image captchas... they don't work (in my experience) either. But as long as it is for registration only, I don't care so much... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] This Connection is Untrusted... (I know, I know, but...)
On 2011-02-04 12:22 AM, Michael Wheatland wrote: Does anyone know if it is possible to purchase a 'real' SSL certificate for our domain? I would be willing to contribute some money directly towards fixing this issue. Why not just get a free one from StartSSL? -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Working with mailing lists
On 2011-02-01 4:50 AM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote: With appropriate filters and threading in a modern mail client (like Thunederbird) most of the advantages of a forum can be egalized by a mailing list. This is simply not true. For one, most 'users' don't have a clue what you are even talking about. Second, when a new user signs up, they cannot see PREVIOUS messages/threads. On 2011-02-01 5:17 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Moreover, as a subscriber to mailing lists, you handle all the messages through one single user interface (your mail client), even when you take part in many different projects. Whereas a forum user would have to visit several locations in the web in order to check and see new messages, that are of interest. Not if there is only one official support forum - they would only have to visit the one forum. But more importantly, any forum worth its salt has options for email notifications when messages are posted to subscribed threads - I know, I use this feature all the time and value it highly - so, all someone needs to do is subscribe to all of the main forum topics, and you now get email notifications of all forum postings. This could be made very easy by simply creating a special 'subscribe' page where the user could subscribe to all forum topics, or only select topics, and enable email notifications (again for some or all). Also, Michael had mentioned that the email lists and forums could all be integrated using Drupal, so that the email lists were essentially 'archived' at the forums, and forum posts were emailed to the appropriate email list. This one single capability is an overwhelming - imnsho - argument in favor of using Drupal as the support backbone. This way a user can choose their method of participation. For *official* decision making processes, forums, or some other kind of centralized, managed medium should be required to be used, so anyone can see the entire thread/decision making process from start to finish - no questions of who said what when, or who the participants are (anyone can click on anyone else's username to see their profile, and official representatives should be required to keep their user profile up to date and complete) - its all there for all to see. There is simply no good reason to hold onto a 10 year old way of doing things - ie, using email lists for official communication and decision making channels - when better ways are available. The only reason - albeit not a good one - is resistance to change. Citing *Usenet* as a source for the rules you are defending to keep using? Please... usenet is dead, long live usenet. And yes, I'm kidding, but no, I'm not. One of OOo's biggest drawbacks has been its antiquated support system... please, people, lets modernize this system and bring it into the 21st century. I'm certainly not saying we shouldn't have/use mailing lists - they absolutely have their place. But they should not be the *official* *primary* mode of support. Leverage volunteers to scavenge the email lists, who can then convert real issues into meaningful bug reports, feature requests and document formatting issues that can then be tracked and (hopefully) fixed. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Working with mailing lists
On 2011-02-01 8:32 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: Also, Michael had mentioned that the email lists and forums could all be integrated using Drupal, so that the email lists were essentially 'archived' at the forums, and forum posts were emailed to the appropriate email list. This one single capability is an overwhelming - imnsho - argument in favor of using Drupal as the support backbone. This way a user can choose their method of participation. I left out one of the more critical aspects of why this would be so good... Email replies to the emails received would also find their way back as posts to the correct forum topic... so a user can fully interact with the forums solely via email (once they've signed up and set their preferences accordingly)... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Revisiting the Information Architecture
On 1/29/2011 1:46 AM, Michael Wheat land wrote: Can you suggest any better way to allow people to express their opinions on the page structures? I can suggest some things that would be better... Wiki page (use the 'Discuss' page for hammering out changes etc) User Forums (maybe not ideal, but at least it keeps everything together and anyone can join in and get caught up relatively quickly) Bottom line though is it needs to be in an easy to follow format, and email lists - especially high volume ones - ain't it... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
On 2011-01-20 8:48 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Charles Marcus wrote on 2011-01-18 19.52: If no one*from the SC* contacted Michael*directly* and took the time to explain the situation to him, then*the SC dropped the ball*. If no one*from the SC* *knew* that Michael was putting so much effort into the Drupal site (because they weren't monitoring the brand new official channels of communication), then*the SC dropped the ball*. Periods. Folks, ever thought that for problems, often two sides are responsiblem two parties are involved? It's rather easy to blame juste one side... I did *not* say that there were not two sides, or that Michael was blameless - I said that, *regardless*, since the SC has assumed the *Leadership* position, they *defacto* bear the largest burden of blame for this fiasco (ie, 'dropped the ball'), and I stand by that meaning. snipped a lot of other stuff I wanted to say but realized I've already said it and repeating it just wouldn't be productive Anyway, I'm hopeful from the sounds of things that you all will be able to get past this rough spot in the road and move on. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
On 2011-01-19 12:13 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote: Do I have to claim any time that I'm in the SC or that I'm a founding member no, because coming to this project, you know who we are, and how it is organized. When you enter to a home, you know who lives there, this is the same, exactly here. Excuse me??? How exactly is anyone supposed to know this? Through osmosis? People who maintain some official capacity in the organization should be *required* to make this known in their email signature when communicating through official channels like these email lists. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...
On 2011-01-17 7:24 PM, David Nelson wrote: Michael is very interested in doing stuff with Drupal. Like Michael, I personally prefer forums as a support channel for the English NL community. Drupal originally evolved from forum software, so it is naturally very strong in that area. Perhaps Michael would like to take a leading role in developing Drupal-based forums on a libreoffice.org sub-domain? That could satisfy his hunger to do something with Drupal, while reconciling himself to the fact that TDF has currently decided to stay with SilverStripe as its CMS - at least for the mid-term future (although once SilverStripe has been fully operational for a while, and once the NL subsites have increased in number and thoroughly developed their content, it will become increasingly inconvenient to migrate in the future). So maybe Drupal could actually be the *support* site, since Michael said it was capable of *integrating* the forums and mail lists (and newsgroups), so that users could choose their preferred method of interacting, but still keep everything in one place so no one misses anything? -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
On 2011-01-18 7:13 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: I think that the main fault of everyone in this specific domain of the web site (including SC members) was to overlook the web site problem and leave it unmanaged. I agree, although I would say *especially* the SC members... this is a *management* problem, and I certainly hope they recognize and own it, and take steps to *fix* it. The first thing I would like to see is an *apology* to Michael and the others for allowing them to *waste so much of their time* on a project the SC was never going to endorse in the first place. Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall anything even approaching such a thing. And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance, Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time. Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon as they saw what was happening. Again - I am dismayed at how this all transpired, and hope the SC and the rest of the LibO *leaders* can learn from this huge (imo) mistake. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
On 2011-01-18 12:01 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 1/18/11 5:20 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance, Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time. Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon as they saw what was happening. I am a SC member, and I have not seen any mention of the progress of the web site on a mailing list pertaining to the SC I have subscribed to the website mailing list when I have realized that the website group was totally disconnected from the SC. Sorry, but you cannot assume that everyone is reading every mailing list message, as we are volunteers and we have a professional and a personal life. I understand that, and I didn't say it was on 'a list pertaining to the SC'. Look, I hate to sound unappreciative, and I know this is a huge job you guys have undertaken - and I for one am glad you did. But in taking this on, you on the SC had and have the responsibility, like it or not, for what has happened. 'In the beginning there was only one' discussion list, then a few more were created, etc, but the fact is, some one (or more) of you should have been monitoring *all* of these new means of communication *from the beginning*... that's what I meant by 'mistake'. I'm not 'blaming', per se - things happen, especially when a split like this happens. I'd just like to see you guys own up to it formally. If you can issue a statement essentially nullifying all of Michael's (and the others) hard work doing something he clearly thought had the blessing of the SC - and it's not like he tried to hide it - then you can issue a formal apology (and mean it) simply for dropping the ball on staying abreast of what was going on. I'm not saying you or anyone else did this on purpose, of course you didn't, but it happened nevertheless. I am deeply sorry for the time spent by volunteers on a project which is not reaching his objectives, but it is overly simplistic to put the blame only on the SC. We are humans, and because of this simple fact it is a mistake to assume that we can be informed of everything inside a project. Someone has made this mistake. I didn't say that *only* the SC was to blame, and I don't pretend to know what other discussions may or may not have happened behind the scenes - but the bottom line is, you/they were/are *in charge*, and you/they *absolutely* dropped the ball here. Whats the old saying? 'The buck stops here.'. Like I said, it would go a long way for the SC to just swallow some pride and/or eat some crow, and issue a formal apology to Michael and the others, and move on. Anyway, I'm just a regular user who just wants LibO to succeed, but saw a lot to be discouraged about with a very rocky beginning to what will hopefully end up being a very successful endeavor. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
On 2011-01-18 1:40 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Am 18.01.2011 17:20, schrieb Charles Marcus: And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance, Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time. Maybe not members of the SC, but there are people that have been answering on the mailing lists from the very beginning and further on, that it would be wrong to beleive that there was any concrete decision pro Drupal. It´s not correct to expect an apology for the waste of time from anyone, if the people working on a Drupal solution did not want to recognize this information. You are missing the point... If no one *from the SC* contacted Michael *directly* and took the time to explain the situation to him, then *the SC dropped the ball*. If no one *from the SC* *knew* that Michael was putting so much effort into the Drupal site (because they weren't monitoring the brand new official channels of communication), then *the SC dropped the ball*. Periods. If I was a developer, and *thought* I had the blessing of the SC on a project, I wouldn't put much stock in $random_list_member either... Obviously Michael could have been more proactive himself in confirming the situation, but I've never suggested that only the SC made mistakes here. Again, it just seems to me that you (if you are an SC member) are bending over backwards to *avoid* accountability... not a good sign for the future, I'm sorry to say. Regardless, this topic stopped going anywhere a long time ago, and enough has been said, so I'm done. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
On 2011-01-18 5:57 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: And this attitude/point of view towards it surely was one of the reasons for the SC to be so drastic about its statement. You must not force people into a single infrastructure. There is no need to force everything into drupal. I hardly see any benefit of having mailinglist or forums covered by drupal itself. Seriously? You don't see the benefit of having fully integrated support backend, such that someone can choose to use the forums, or email lists, or newsgroups, and everyone sees the same 'content'? Anyway, maybe Drupal could simply be leveraged as the *support* backend - that being one of the weakest links in the OOo chain ever since I can remember. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities
On 2011-01-15 4:41 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: I would sincerely hope that this would not disappear in the near future, it would in my humble opinion, be a great shame to lose all that work. +100 The integration of mail list forums newsgroups alone is worth using Drupal, assuming of course that it can indeed be accomplished as Michael described... Michael, I'm sure all of your hard work won't be wasted, hang in there... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] test.libreoffice.org
On 2010-12-12 2:08 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Charles, *, On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: First thing that jumps out is it is way too wide. I get a horizontal scroll bar long before I should... Do you mean the wiki or test.libreoffice.org? Oh, right, it was the wiki... test. looks fine. The scroll bar on the wiki page is there until I widen the window considerably wider than the test. site... No worries though, I know its a wip, I just hate horizontal scroll bars on web pages. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] test.libreoffice.org
On 2010-12-12 9:08 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: Hi, maybe you noticed the changings in the webdesign of test.libreoffice.org. There was a short private discussion about it. Now we want to take this discussion to all. The most of the changes happened because of our logo and the branding rules (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding). It is not the last solution and so feel free to tell us your ideas (and about your helping). First thing that jumps out is it is way too wide. I get a horizontal scroll bar long before I should... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Download page
On 2010-12-07 8:05 PM, Carlos Jenkins wrote: That's not true, and already discussed on this threat. I'm on Debian and my user agent doesn't include nothing about Debian, please put more attention to the thread the next time before talking. Would it be possible for systems that are not fully identifiable, to add a button 'Determine My Distro', that initiates a system command (like 'uname -a' or something), of course warning the user what will happen beforehand... ? If not, why not just ask the user: We have detected that you are running [Linux][xBSD][whatever], but cannot determine the Distribution - please select from the list, or enter it here: And/or then present the user with a list of choices, one of them being 'I know what I'm doing, let me pick from the available packages' -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
