Re: [Wikidata-l] where to query multiple categories, and intersections between them

[rupert THURNER]

many thanks for the hint! i tried, i tried reading the documentation.
i seem to be not intelligent enough for this *blush*. would you be
able to enter this in autolist1, so it gives a reasonable result and
send a link with explanation?

rupert

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
 wrote:
> rupert THURNER, 28/12/2014 17:08:
>>
>> in some combination. l was wondering how these categories can be
>> matched with what is stored in wikidata:www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76,
>> or, e.g. query wikidata for afro-american politicians from hawei.
>
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> https://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html ?
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[Wikidata-l] where to query multiple categories, and intersections between them

[rupert THURNER]

hi,

i was wondering what the most simple way to query multiple categories
and intersections. the most simple application for e.g. GLAM is:
search museums of modern art in the city of zürich. if i do not find
enough i want to see all museums in the city of zürich. how and where
i would query that information?

another example would be barack obama:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama, which has the categories:
politicians from chicago, politicians from hawei, afro american
politicians, afro american christians, afro american non fiction
writers, and so on. basically all of them include:
* location
* profession
* race
* religion
* awards
in some combination. l was wondering how these categories can be
matched with what is stored in wikidata: www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76,
or, e.g. query wikidata for afro-american politicians from hawei.

happy new year btw :)

rupert

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

[rupert THURNER]

Gerard how do you, within wikidata, properly handle the case where an
article is there on enwp, and a paragraph and a redirect to it is there on
dewp?

Rupert
 On Oct 18, 2014 1:21 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> As you correctly quote, "one of the requirements is an article".  So what
> is your point ?
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> On 18 October 2014 12:52, John Lewis  wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, 18 October 2014, Gerard Meijssen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One of the requirements is an article.
>>>
>>
>> One of three requirements. Only one has to be true for an item to be
>> notable. Please could you stop taking this out of context making it look
>> like Wikidata requires articles for items.
>>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

[rupert THURNER]

david, i think you hit the major point here. at the end of the day it
is a document management problem, and the idea to recombine contents
is followed by some extensions, like books extension. would it make
sense to use wikidata for such tasks as well? i am not convinced that
it makes sense to go onto a sentence level, but paragraphs do imo make
sense. alone because e.g. the german wikipedia often stores an item in
a paragraph, what is stored in an article in the english wikipedia.
redirects are managed in de:wp, and there is no notion of storing
wrong redirects to cover typo's.

of course there are some wikidata purists, like jane and gerard, who
seem to be a little imprisoned in the original semantic mediawiki
notation that every entry needs to be an article. one may even
consider this opinion as correct in a greenfield approach where the
contents is created from scratch. but - unfortunately this is not the
case. wikidata came after wikipedia, and i consider it a fundamental
failure of wikidata to not address the issue.

rupert

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:03 AM, David Cuenca  wrote:
> As Wikidata grows this problem will become more significant. Using redirects
> doesn't seem a sustainable approach, but it will be hard to find better ones
> considering the number of people involved and the investment in the current
> platform.
>
> The biggest challenge will be to convince Wikipedians to break free of the
> "article box". There is no reason to limit oneself to articles when there
> can be smaller building blocks that can be recombined in different articles
> with as much detail level as needed.
>
> Maybe after Commons there should be also a "Wikidata for Wikipedia content",
> where each article section or sentence is represented by an item that can be
> displayed in several articles or translated into different languages.
>
> Cheers,
> Micru
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Derric Atzrott
>  wrote:
>>
>> Thought I'd throw in my opinion on the matter.  After reading this thread
>> I think that I agree with the folks who believe that Wikidata items should
>> be able to specify a Wikipedia article that is a redirect as a sitelink to
>> Wikipedia.
>>
>> Its by no means an ideal solution, but I can't see any problems that it
>> causes and I do see problems that it fixes.  If there are problems /for
>> Wikidata/ that allowing Wikidata items to link to Wikipedia redirects
>> causes, I would be happy to hear them.  I imagine someone likely tried
>> to point some out, but I just didn't quite grasp them.
>>
>> Thank you,
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

[rupert THURNER]

French safou should be fruit, because the tree is safoutier. German
afrikanische Pflaume is fruit as well. This is a 1:1 match. Prunus contains
tens of fruits which do exist as dedicated articles in enwp. If no link can
be made to redirects and not to paragraphs this looks like a serious
conceptual restriction?

Rupert
On Oct 14, 2014 5:40 PM, "Jane Darnell"  wrote:

> There are multiple issues with linking the German
> Wikipedia's "afrikanische Pflaume" to the French Wikipedia's "safou":
>
> 1) A tree can only interwikilink to a tree or combined article on the tree
> + fruit and a fruit can only interwikilink to a fruit or a combined
> article on the tree + fruit (this is the "single vs. multiple concepts"
> problem Gerard refers to)
> 2) There is no way of making an interwikilink for a redirect, and the
> German Wikipedia's "afrikanische Pflaume" is currently a redirect to
> "Prunus"
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, rupert THURNER 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2014 2:07 PM, "Daniel Kinzler" 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Am 12.10.2014 17:02, schrieb Romaine Wiki:
>> > > Hello Lydia,
>> > >
>> > > This is a different problem from the other issue I described in an
>> other mail.
>> > > I notice two different problems that occur with the same version. One
>> is about
>> > > the workflow, one is about less experienced/less technical users have
>> > > difficulties in adding site links.
>> >
>> > Linking a newly created article would be done using the "add links"
>> feature at
>> > the bottom of the sidebar. That should not have changed at all in the
>> last
>> > couple of months, as far as I know.
>> >
>> > Can you identify which change exactly is the problem, and why it is
>> problematic?
>>
>> I tried to link "afrikanische Pflaume " to "safou " the fruit and got an
>> error which was not helpful. I tried to report it here, and nobody used
>> time to look into it. So my personal user experience degraded from usable
>> to not usable.
>>
>> But I have no idea which change caused the this.
>>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

[rupert THURNER]

Could you do me a favor please and try to link it out of Wikipedia and then
tell how I should have done it?
On Oct 13, 2014 6:29 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> This issue was mentioned before. There are two distinct concepts as I
> recall. One article can only be linked from one project to only one
> concept.
>
> So in essence you link an item to a Q and not to "safou". There have
> been no changes at all about this from the start of Wikidata.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 13 October 2014 16:59, rupert THURNER  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2014 2:07 PM, "Daniel Kinzler" 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Am 12.10.2014 17:02, schrieb Romaine Wiki:
>> > > Hello Lydia,
>> > >
>> > > This is a different problem from the other issue I described in an
>> other mail.
>> > > I notice two different problems that occur with the same version. One
>> is about
>> > > the workflow, one is about less experienced/less technical users have
>> > > difficulties in adding site links.
>> >
>> > Linking a newly created article would be done using the "add links"
>> feature at
>> > the bottom of the sidebar. That should not have changed at all in the
>> last
>> > couple of months, as far as I know.
>> >
>> > Can you identify which change exactly is the problem, and why it is
>> problematic?
>>
>> I tried to link "afrikanische Pflaume " to "safou " the fruit and got an
>> error which was not helpful. I tried to report it here, and nobody used
>> time to look into it. So my personal user experience degraded from usable
>> to not usable.
>>
>> But I have no idea which change caused the this.
>>
>> Rupert
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

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On Oct 13, 2014 2:07 PM, "Daniel Kinzler" 
wrote:
>
> Am 12.10.2014 17:02, schrieb Romaine Wiki:
> > Hello Lydia,
> >
> > This is a different problem from the other issue I described in an
other mail.
> > I notice two different problems that occur with the same version. One
is about
> > the workflow, one is about less experienced/less technical users have
> > difficulties in adding site links.
>
> Linking a newly created article would be done using the "add links"
feature at
> the bottom of the sidebar. That should not have changed at all in the last
> couple of months, as far as I know.
>
> Can you identify which change exactly is the problem, and why it is
problematic?

I tried to link "afrikanische Pflaume " to "safou " the fruit and got an
error which was not helpful. I tried to report it here, and nobody used
time to look into it. So my personal user experience degraded from usable
to not usable.

But I have no idea which change caused the this.

Rupert
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Re: [Wikidata-l] link von "de:afrikanische Pflaume" auf "fr:safou" - "unerwarteter fehler aufgetreten: $1"

[rupert THURNER]

it is about the fruit, and i tried to link in the GUI "safou" the
fruit. which gave an error. you do not get this error?

rupert


On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen
 wrote:
> Apparently, Q3461291 is the fruit of Q2369010, so you have to decide
> if the German article is about the fruit or the plant.
> If it is about both, you have to decide if it is primarily about one
> or the other.
> If you can't do that, you can rewrite the article to focus on one or
> the other (and perhaps write a new article about the other), and/or
> you can create a new Wikidata entity for both fruit and plant.
>
> Regards,
> Ole
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:54 PM, rupert THURNER
>  wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> i was wondering how to resolve the items for safou, and safoutier
>> correctly. there are two entries:
>>
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2369010
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3461291
>>
>> both called Dacryodes edulis.
>>
>> on the french wikipedia there are two articles, "safoutier" for the
>> tree, and "safou" for the fruit.
>>
>> i noticed this when i created a forward "afrikanische Pflaume"
>> pointing to "prunus" on the german wikipedia. i pressed than "add
>> links" on the french wikipedia - which did not find "afrikanische
>> pflaume". then i pressed add link on the german wikipedia which found
>> "safou". pressing ok then gave the error "es ist ein unerwarteter
>> fehler aufgetreten: $1.
>>
>> how is this expected to work, or, how could i fix this?
>>
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[Wikidata-l] link von "de:afrikanische Pflaume" auf "fr:safou" - "unerwarteter fehler aufgetreten: $1"

[rupert THURNER]

hi,

i was wondering how to resolve the items for safou, and safoutier
correctly. there are two entries:

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2369010
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3461291

both called Dacryodes edulis.

on the french wikipedia there are two articles, "safoutier" for the
tree, and "safou" for the fruit.

i noticed this when i created a forward "afrikanische Pflaume"
pointing to "prunus" on the german wikipedia. i pressed than "add
links" on the french wikipedia - which did not find "afrikanische
pflaume". then i pressed add link on the german wikipedia which found
"safou". pressing ok then gave the error "es ist ein unerwarteter
fehler aufgetreten: $1.

how is this expected to work, or, how could i fix this?

rupert

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata project focused on economic data

[rupert THURNER]

hi alex,

i saw on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Economics
a hint to provide sample data. would it be not an option to provide a
couple of data points to make the life of persons easier, instead of
making them open links and tables?

rupert


On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Alex Peek  wrote:
> We are a new project looking for volunteers.
>
> Project homepage: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Global_Economic_Map
>
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>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] A proposal for a panel that might interest you

[rupert THURNER]

Am 29.03.2014 18:04 schrieb "Andrea Zanni" :
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Luca Martinelli 
wrote:
>>
>> I'm just on the technical part of the project, so I don't know why the
>> universities didn't share the original texts too. It should be noted
>> also that this project started with clear boundaries, and we cannot
>> press too much the institutions to release data they don't want -
>> still - to share.
>
>
> At the present moment, there is a lot of discussions and "lobbying" to
explain that the Universities could benefit in releasing the transcriptions
(and other data) in CC licenses, but it's a long battle.
> We will win, of course :-)
>
> As Luca was saying, we are very proud of this projects, and hopefully
more insights and feedbacks will come in the future, from the academic
community.
> At the present moment, Wikibase is proving itself a great software for
collaboration with structured data (which of course was the goal from the
beginning).

Great to hear, Luca. If you are doing the technical part, who is the person
to speak to for the project and licensing?

Gerard, if this is the first project outside of wmf concerning wikidata,
what is the first project including wmf?

Rupert
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Italian Wikipedia complements search results with Wikidata based functionality

[rupert THURNER]

Hi gerard, that sounds really exciting! Is it necessary to change a setting
to see this behaviour? If not i d appreciate if you could give an example
where one could see this best.

Rupert
Am 02.12.2013 18:50 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" :

> Hoi,
>
> The Italian Wikipedia is the first project where people who use search
> will find results added from Wikidata. As you may know, Wikidata knows has
> more items with a label in a language than a Wikipedia has articles. With
> the Wikidata based functionality people will gain several functionalities
> that are new to them
>
>- a link to Commons categories for a subject
>- a link to Wikipedia articles in other languages
>- a link to the Wikidata item
>- visualisation care of the "Reasonator"
>
> When there are multiple items found in the search request, disambiguation
> will be provided based on the statements available on the items. Obviously
> as more labels are available in a language for statements, the experience
> will improve.
>
> This is a really exciting new development and I want to thank Magnus and
> Nemo for making it possible. I hope and expect that many Wikipedias will
> follow the example of the Italian Wikipedia. Particularly the smaller
> Wikipedias have much to gain from this new functionality.
> Thanks,
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics

[rupert THURNER]

maybe the most important question first: is it the goal that human
editors extend / correct this data in wikidata, or is there a feed?

if it is really humans who should enter data:
thanks for the hint magnus, i can see it now, hallelujah. i'd have
never in my life the idea to change the GUI language in preferences to
"de" to change the contents language. and, it takes 8 clicks on a
smaller screen - enough so i would not do it more than one time every
5 years :)

rupert

On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Magnus Manske
 wrote:
> You used German ("de") on the Terminator page. Have you switched your
> Wikidata language to "de" accordingly?
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, rupert THURNER 
> wrote:
>>
>> i took one example and am lost already, pegasus, listed on top with 5
>> labels without description:
>>
>> http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php?lang=de&term=Pegasus&doit=1
>>
>> then i take one with a description "Sternbild knapp nördlich des
>> Himmelsäquators":
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8864
>>
>> and, i do not see this description, nor can i figure out where this
>> description came from. where did i make the error?
>>
>> rupert
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Magnus Manske
>>  wrote:
>> > 
>> > The Terminator [1] can show you the most linked-to (~important) items
>> > with
>> > no label ("term", hence the name) in major languages.
>> > 
>> >
>> > [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Lydia Pintscher
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Hoi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1].
>> >> > They
>> >> > are up to date and useful.
>> >> >
>> >> > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest
>> >> > challenge
>> >> > we
>> >> > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented
>> >> > in
>> >> > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is
>> >> > for
>> >> > most
>> >> > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why.
>> >>
>> >> This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language
>> >> fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the
>> >> situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer
>> >> during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly
>> >> a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that
>> >> they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in
>> >> a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when
>> >> there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal.
>> >> We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics.
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics

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i took one example and am lost already, pegasus, listed on top with 5
labels without description:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php?lang=de&term=Pegasus&doit=1

then i take one with a description "Sternbild knapp nördlich des
Himmelsäquators":
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8864

and, i do not see this description, nor can i figure out where this
description came from. where did i make the error?

rupert


On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Magnus Manske
 wrote:
> 
> The Terminator [1] can show you the most linked-to (~important) items with
> no label ("term", hence the name) in major languages.
> 
>
> [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Lydia Pintscher
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen
>>  wrote:
>> > Hoi,
>> >
>> > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1].
>> > They
>> > are up to date and useful.
>> >
>> > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest challenge
>> > we
>> > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented in
>> > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for
>> > most
>> > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why.
>>
>> This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language
>> fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the
>> situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer
>> during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly
>> a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that
>> they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in
>> a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when
>> there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal.
>> We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
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[Wikidata-l] creator template, wikimedia commons

[rupert THURNER]

hi,

we are currently experimenting to have, after zb zürich earlier the
year[1], a second museum from switzerland uploading full quality
images (i.e. tif format)[2]. i was wondering what is the most
"wikidata compatible" way of adding a creator information to an image
like this one:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Soleure_Aa_0012.tif

the painter winterlin is in the category, has a template including
personal information, just like the wikipedia article, and the
wikidata entry.

rupert.

[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Z%C3%BCrich
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Solothurn

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[Wikidata-l] Fwd: Re: [Wikitech-l] Why isn't hotcat an extension?

[rupert THURNER]

Lets forward this to here, maybe somebody here already thought about
categories in wikidata.
-- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --
Von: "Tyler Romeo" 
Datum: 18.07.2013 23:08
Betreff: Re: [Wikitech-l] Why isn't hotcat an extension?
An: "Wikimedia developers" 

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Antoine Musso  wrote:

> Lets move the categories in wikidata ? =)


That'd be nice, but how much time would that take to develop?

*-- *
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Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in Computer Science
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[Wikidata-l] chancelier du reich, chancelier du reich und reichskanzler

[rupert THURNER]

wie würde man eigentlich:
* http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskanzler
* http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancelier_du_Reich
* http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancelier_imp%C3%A9rial
korrekt verlinken?

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Re: [Wikidata-l] is there a "schema" for the claims of a libraries collection ?

[rupert THURNER]

Many thanks Andrew! How would one define a list of properties which make
sense? Like "contents collected from date to date'?
Am 15.03.2013 13:22 schrieb "Andrew Gray" :

> I would have thought "popular print" is intended for items which are
> one, rather than collections of them?
>
> Three things here:
>
> a) The property Rupert was using was "GND entity type", which should
> have a very limited set of values - creative work, organisation, etc.
>
> b) For a more general type, use "is a" (P31), which can have any value.
>
> c) To get "collection (museum)" as an option you'd need to create a
> Wikidata entry for that - there hadn't been one made yet. It's now
> created: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7328910
>
> - Andrew.
>
> On 15 March 2013 06:01, Michael Hale  wrote:
> > I think you want it to be "Popular print". I changed it for you.
> > http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1306119
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_print
> >
> >> From: rupert.thur...@gmail.com
> >> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 06:29:24 +0100
> >> To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Subject: [Wikidata-l] is there a "schema" for the claims of a libraries
> >> collection ?
> >
> >>
> >> hi,
> >>
> >> i am not even sure if i use the right vocabulary here, but is there
> >> some "schema" for claims or statements of a libraries collection? i
> >> wanted to add a type, and ended up linking it to "collection". the
> >> translation then revealed that it is from horses dressage
> >>
> >> http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2567666 - wickiana , which is not
> >> http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q361873 - such a collection
> >>
> >> i am a little confused. how would i best find that i should have set
> >> the type to "collection (museum)" (if one takes the english language
> >> article title), and how i am expected to find or add properties to a
> >> that type?
> >>
> >> rupert.
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[Wikidata-l] is there a "schema" for the claims of a libraries collection ?

[rupert THURNER]

hi,

i am not even sure if i use the right vocabulary here, but is there
some "schema" for claims or statements of a libraries collection? i
wanted to add a type, and ended up linking it to "collection". the
translation then revealed that it is from horses dressage

http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2567666 - wickiana , which is not
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q361873 - such a collection

i am a little confused. how would i best find that i should have set
the type to "collection (museum)" (if one takes the english language
article title), and how i am expected to find or add properties to a
that type?

rupert.

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Re: [Wikidata-l] wickiana, not all interwiki links can be seen?

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Am 12.03.2013 00:39 schrieb "rupert THURNER" :
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Lydia Pintscher
>  wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:12 AM, rupert THURNER
> >  wrote:
> >> many thanks lydia! can i do this purge as well? now there is a
> >> makedonian version of http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickiana and again
> >> it does not show up, at least in my browser.
> >
> > Yes just add ?action=purge to the URL of the article you want to
refresh.
>
> great, that works perfect! the sort order might be a little "unusual"
> so to say, as e.g. Bahasa Indonesia comes after english. i understand
> of course that the key, id, comes after en.

Hi lydia, just wanted to mention for the record, purging was necessary in
all languages versions.

Rupert.
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Re: [Wikidata-l] wickiana, not all interwiki links can be seen?

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On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Lydia Pintscher
 wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:12 AM, rupert THURNER
>  wrote:
>> many thanks lydia! can i do this purge as well? now there is a
>> makedonian version of http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickiana and again
>> it does not show up, at least in my browser.
>
> Yes just add ?action=purge to the URL of the article you want to refresh.

great, that works perfect! the sort order might be a little "unusual"
so to say, as e.g. Bahasa Indonesia comes after english. i understand
of course that the key, id, comes after en.

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Re: [Wikidata-l] wickiana, not all interwiki links can be seen?

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On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Lydia Pintscher
 wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 5:28 PM, rupert THURNER  
> wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> at wmch there is a small pilot with zentralbibliothek to upload images
>> to commons, the first scans around wickiana. one goal was to see in
>> how many languages this is translated after a while, starting from 3.
>> today there was a translation into indinesian, and emmanuel entered
>> the link(s) into wikidata. for me the indonesian link does only show
>> up in the german version, not in the italian, or english version:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickiana
>>
>> what could be the reason for it?
>>
>> rupert
>
> The issue can be fixed by purging the page. I've done this now for
> this one and the link shows up. We'll look into it more.

many thanks lydia! can i do this purge as well? now there is a
makedonian version of http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickiana and again
it does not show up, at least in my browser.

rupert.

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[Wikidata-l] wickiana, not all interwiki links can be seen?

[rupert THURNER]

hi,

at wmch there is a small pilot with zentralbibliothek to upload images
to commons, the first scans around wickiana. one goal was to see in
how many languages this is translated after a while, starting from 3.
today there was a translation into indinesian, and emmanuel entered
the link(s) into wikidata. for me the indonesian link does only show
up in the german version, not in the italian, or english version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickiana

what could be the reason for it?

rupert

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Locations and times

[rupert THURNER]

while i like your arguments generally a lot, this one i find not
intuitive. imo the best guess is context dependent, and most likely
the context is "now", i.e. current year.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Denny Vrandečić
 wrote:
> If you enter "15. Jan 2013" it will know the difference. The goal of the
> datatype is to understand a point in time within a given precision. 15th of
> January is not a point in time, it is a recurring date, and therefore not in
> the domain of this datatype (just as "Easter" is not, nor "Sunday").
>
> Therefore for "15. Jan" the best guess is the month of January in the year
> 15 AD (Julian calendar).
>
>
>
> 2013/1/3 swuensch 
>>
>> It should know the difference between "15. Jan" and "15 Jan". If the dot
>> is submitted it is not a year its a day (15th of January
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2260)
>>
>> Sk!d
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Denny Vrandečić
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> continuing from last weeks data values discussion, I would like to invite
>>> comments on the following prototypes for understanding points of time and
>>> points on Earth.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> What it currently does not do is:
>>> * i18n (it's in the code, but not properly exposed yet)
>>> * enable dates like "Date of birth: 437-436 BC"
>>>
>>> Working on both still, but I'd like to have a first round of feedback.
>>>
>>> Happy 2013,
>>> Denny
>>>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Data copyright and licensing

[rupert THURNER]

cc0 is this one, isn't it?
http://creativecommons.org/about/cc0

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Denny Vrandečić
 wrote:
> Jan,
>
> as said, the data in Wikidata will be published under CC-0. The other
> text (project pages etc.) will use CC-BY-SA. CC-0 allows the community
> later, when it is there, to discuss and to switch the license and not
> get into the situation that Open Street Maps has gone through.
>
> There are plenty of prior examples of WMF projects publishing not
> under copyleft licenses, think of the help pages on MediaWiki.org or
> many media files on Commons [2].
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents
> [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:CC-BY-3.0
>
>
> 2012/8/3 Jan Kučera :
>> So no copyleft?
>>
>> 2012/8/2 Lydia Pintscher :
>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, rupert THURNER  
>>> wrote:
>>>> Should there be a clear license right from the beginning to avoid what
>>>> happened to openstreetmap, which recently deleted data where they were
>>>> unable to switch the license over to odbl?
>>>
>>> Of course there has to be a license from the beginning on. As I said
>>> in my other email already the plan is CC-0.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Data copyright and licensing

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Should there be a clear license right from the beginning to avoid what
happened to openstreetmap, which recently deleted data where they were
unable to switch the license over to odbl?

Rupert
Am 02.08.2012 12:12 schrieb "Thomas Douillard" :

>
>
> 2012/8/2 Jan Kučera 
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> did anyone think of possible copyright restrictions on the use of
>> external data within wikidata? I am not sure common public sources of
>> data are usable right away... seems like copyright works the same with
>> data as with any other "work"... Sure, many organizations throw data
>> into public domain, but it definitely is not an industry standard yet.
>>
>> Kozuch
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> Hi. There is indeed laws that applys to data IF they are compiled, in my
> understanding - nobody can copyright the geolocalisation of the Eiffel
> tower alone for example, that would be absurd.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_right
>
> In my understanding there would be a problem if somebody imports data
> massively from a protected database. Owners sometimes inserts false data in
> their datasets to be able to prove that an illegal copy has been made. But
> the "in beetween" single data and mass import is quite unclear to me :)
>
> On the other hand there are licences such as
> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Data
>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Set up a wiki at http://data.wikimedia.org/

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Am 09.04.2012 23:34 schrieb "Daniel Kinzler" :
>
> On 09.04.2012 20:39, Helder wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 15:30, Lydia Pintscher
> >  wrote:
> >> We'll probably
> >> move the development related documents there to mediawiki.org soon
> >> though.
> >
> > That would allow us to use the LiquidThreads extension to discuss or
> > keep track of discussions about the project.
>
> We could go to mediawiki.org, LQT is enabled there.

+1
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