[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone
Peter, I sense you have it. That makes me happy :) I am just back from a walk in the mountains, and struggle to find the motivation to explain this any more. I'm satisfied that I've at least communicated my thoughts to Peter, and hope he'll carry the ball further. I will recommend for a third time to watch Downes video explaining the tension between groups and networks, and reflect on the controlling influences that groups have on us individually - especially Wikieducator. Sorry if you all have watched it - I just see little evidence of it. Legs so sore I can barely keep the laptop on my lap! Face burnt, mouth dry, boots wet. I'll sleep well tonight! On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Derek Chirnside [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Well well. Saturday, 6.01am here, just off to the Coast with two bands, one classic rock and one progressive rock to play 7 hours at the Empire Hotel during the 6,000 people Ross Fireworks Festival, hay fever disenhanced (severely today), and very very tired after the decision this week in the Moodle trial here and the huge amount of work leading up to this. Then this post comes. The first words where I think I really can engage wkith this fascinating discussion, possibly at the risk of missing the point, but I do have some things to say. I'm based at an unusual institution. They will give us the OK to start of UCTL.canterbury.ac.nz as a little fun thing, to give away all the work from one of my recent projects, yet quibble over pixel widths on learning pages with branding, and force a 12 month process when 2 weeks would really be enough to make a decision. etc. A place of contradictions where I am a minion. Some things (only some things) are not the best, but I'm finding (vaguely)a place there. I'm a dabbler in WE. In and out like a yo yo - committed to OER but like some other software develiopers, mistaking a clear view of the goal with the closeness of it. Some of your comments probably resonate about why I find it hard at times in the WE OER environment. BUT: I can't post now more, got to pack trailors etc, and I'll be away from any internet for 36 hours. The crunch came three weeks ago. I was off to do a reccee for the Ross trip to the Coast. At 27 hours notice I got a call to run 2 Podcasting workshops on the coast. I was already going, so hey, I thought, lets do it. Where to put it was my query? WE was obvious. Checked out the podcasting stuff. Tried to decide what to do. Fiddle with it? Copy and adapt it? Work with Podcasting to create Derek's Podcasting. I had no time to do it this way. How to name my pages? How to cluster them? How much to contextualise? Who owns the page 'podcasting workshop' and can I fiddle with it? Should I start one as well? This is a trivial context I know, but they made me face a few of these questions you are debating here. OK. Unfinished. But I have broken the ice. I'll be back. If the discussion has not moved on two much I'll post tomorrow afternoon. I may post even if it has. :-) -Derek 2008/10/31 Alex P. Real [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Leigh, Beautiful response, I really appreciate it smile. The scenario product/maintainer/tradeoff is recurrent in many realms, not just software. I can only agree to your reading on collaborative editing, the main reason why I've refrained from contributing contents, to see how things work and avoid potential uneasiness among page creators. I find more productive adding to something going on than starting from scratch. And as the prime focus is the Commonwealth it seemed coherent to leave the initiative to intended beneficiaries, maybe a bias acquired in development projects. I know I can start my own page, node, but seemed out of place, so focused on Collage G-group until it fulfilled its role in COL's agenda. No criticism, right? Re TQF I got involved replying to an email by Anil re content development and read the full thread with keen interest, same as the Wikipedia entry. With such a diverse base of educators WE seems ideal to conduct some research re existing frameworks, limitations, alternatives, etc. to contribute to TQF or whatever and try minimize the dangers you rightly perceive, and take into account country/cultural specificities usually set aside; or as some sort of repository. But again, not for me to tell. I'll start my own stuff to pursue my interests, otherwise I'll end quitting. I can only guess what you mean by grouped thinking (my ignorance re WE subtleties), keep fighting for your beliefs. I may not agree with you 100% which is healthy and enriching, but it doesn't mean I don't follow/like/admire what you do. Cheers, Alex *De:* wikieducator@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *En nombre de *Leigh Blackall *Enviado el:* jueves, 30 de octubre de 2008 22:46 *Para:* wikieducator@googlegroups.com *Asunto:* [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone
[WikiEducator] re: OER Showcase ~ can / do we have this
Hi Everyone, We have a User Expo, to shower positive attention to Users which have a snazzy User Page. Could we have an OER Showcase - to shower positive attention on OERs that are super-cool, or in in the case below- SUPRA-COOL? Read on Randy -- Forwarded message -- From: Günther Osswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:25 AM Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: Free materials for primary education in physics available To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com I think SUPRA could be very useful to your homeschooling parents! Have a look of the first page I've pulled into WikiEd: http://www.wikieducator.org/User:White_Eagle/SUPRA Even without knowledge of German you'll see from the images: it's all very practical, little projects that could be done with simple materials. BTW, this is what makes SUPRA so exiting for the use in non- industrialized countries: no expensive equipment needed to do the experiments! epal? What's that? Regards, Günther -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone
Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered that list as nodes in a network. I suppose they are in some ways, but I have always considered them as the things that connect the real nodes - the platforms that facilitate communication between nodes. Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that as a node or nodes, both embodied in the content, and in you as the personal point of contact. K12 may someday connect with a similar or complimentary project on Wikispaces.. with a particular blog post.. a Youtube video.. another individual who works on her own space, but through certain technologies - feeds into K12... etc. This same networking of information and people can happen inside a single platform such as Wikieducator - but I would question its capacities if it where only inside Wikied. Things that make the networked mission succeed: Using digital formats published openly online. Use of CC By to unrestrict reuse and sampling (I suspect copyright will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future, if Google's approach to it is anything to go by). Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a network: Prescribing certain practices - such as CC By, Open Format Standards or Open Source Software (as much as I appreciate their worth, the loss in potential connections is too great if we insist on these too much). Not facilitating mashup practices (embedding 3rd party media). Centralising services. Policies that police, and so on. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, Most Excellent. I agree its time for those who have been following this thread to watch (or re-watch) the Downes video; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540 And I would agree I see a GROUP entrenching itself within WE. Not that this is a bad thing, it just is. Though, I do believe a network approach will have greater success in meeting the WE mission. WE can only hope that the council also sees it this way, or maybe they will see having a group approach is best for meeting the challenges of the WE mission. I think that encouraging a NETWORK of educators to utilize the WE infrastructure, and then everyone (WE Council, Etc...) gets out of the way is the best (re: like WIkiSpaces). In relation to the group vs. network and the ills within a group (control, resources, etc...) It makes me wonder if this is how Minhaaj sees profiteering? A few question that come from all this; Can a resource node on the network be started by a network? Or have all resource nodes grown out of the efforts of an individual or small group? If you look at the current set or resource nodes, most of them grew from the efforts of an individual or small group. Maybe this is the natural lifecycle of a network node. And the challenge for any node is to transition from starting as a group, letting go, and becoming a network node... (Examples of resource nodes starting from individuals or small groups would be; Skype, OCW, CCK08, Wikipedia, Wikispaces, Delicious, Flickr, CC...) So what do you think, do all network nodes start out as small groups? As another Canadian, Thank-you...I certainly hope this thread plants some seeds and allows this important discussion to become a part of the WE consciousness. Sincerely, Peter On Nov 3, 1:06 am, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, I sense you have it. That makes me happy :) I am just back from a walk in the mountains, and struggle to find the motivation to explain this any more. I'm satisfied that I've at least communicated my thoughts to Peter, and hope he'll carry the ball further. I will recommend for a third time to watch Downes video explaining the tension between groups and networks, and reflect on the controlling influences that groups have on us individually - especially Wikieducator. Sorry if you all have watched it - I just see little evidence of it. Legs so sore I can barely keep the laptop on my lap! Face burnt, mouth dry, boots wet. I'll sleep well tonight! On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Derek Chirnside [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Well well. Saturday, 6.01am here, just off to the Coast with two bands, one classic rock and one progressive rock to play 7 hours at the Empire Hotel during the 6,000 people Ross Fireworks Festival, hay fever disenhanced (severely today), and very very tired after the decision this week in the Moodle trial here and the huge amount of work leading up to this. Then this post comes. The first words where I think I really can engage wkith this fascinating discussion, possibly at the risk of missing the point, but I do have some things to say. I'm based at an unusual institution. They will give us the OK to start of UCTL.canterbury.ac.nz as a little fun thing, to give away all the work from one of my recent projects, yet quibble over pixel widths on learning pages with branding, and force a 12 month process when 2 weeks would
[WikiEducator] Re: OER Showcase ~ can / do we have this
That is cool, and I really like how it sits behind a User page too! On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, We have a User Expo, to shower positive attention to Users which have a snazzy User Page. Could we have an OER Showcase - to shower positive attention on OERs that are super-cool, or in in the case below- SUPRA-COOL? Read on Randy -- Forwarded message -- From: Günther Osswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:25 AM Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: Free materials for primary education in physics available To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com I think SUPRA could be very useful to your homeschooling parents! Have a look of the first page I've pulled into WikiEd: http://www.wikieducator.org/User:White_Eagle/SUPRA Even without knowledge of German you'll see from the images: it's all very practical, little projects that could be done with simple materials. BTW, this is what makes SUPRA so exiting for the use in non- industrialized countries: no expensive equipment needed to do the experiments! epal? What's that? Regards, Günther -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone
Leigh, I get your point. And I do agree with you that if you don't facilitate mash-up practices you reduce connections, and therefore the network becomes smaller and restrained... openness is the way... I guess these subtleties are why so much discussion occurs regarding the meaning of open... I also get your point about items that connect nodes vs. being the nodes themselves. All this said I would think that Lawrence Lessig at one point would have been considered a node evangelizing the benefits of a creative commons, through time the CC has become a part of the conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time a small group hacking together a photo sharing site (there were a group). Linux at one time was an individual project... So could it be that all nodes or conduit technologies start as individuals or small groups... I seek an example where a network just appeared without it first being started by a small group or individual... Cheers, Peter On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered that list as nodes in a network. I suppose they are in some ways, but I have always considered them as the things that connect the real nodes - the platforms that facilitate communication between nodes. Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that as a node or nodes, both embodied in the content, and in you as the personal point of contact. K12 may someday connect with a similar or complimentary project on Wikispaces.. with a particular blog post.. a Youtube video.. another individual who works on her own space, but through certain technologies - feeds into K12... etc. This same networking of information and people can happen inside a single platform such as Wikieducator - but I would question its capacities if it where only inside Wikied. Things that make the networked mission succeed: Using digital formats published openly online. Use of CC By to unrestrict reuse and sampling (I suspect copyright will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future, if Google's approach to it is anything to go by). Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a network: Prescribing certain practices - such as CC By, Open Format Standards or Open Source Software (as much as I appreciate their worth, the loss in potential connections is too great if we insist on these too much). Not facilitating mashup practices (embedding 3rd party media). Centralising services. Policies that police, and so on. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, Most Excellent. I agree its time for those who have been following this thread to watch (or re-watch) the Downes video; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540 And I would agree I see a GROUP entrenching itself within WE. Not that this is a bad thing, it just is. Though, I do believe a network approach will have greater success in meeting the WE mission. WE can only hope that the council also sees it this way, or maybe they will see having a group approach is best for meeting the challenges of the WE mission. I think that encouraging a NETWORK of educators to utilize the WE infrastructure, and then everyone (WE Council, Etc...) gets out of the way is the best (re: like WIkiSpaces). In relation to the group vs. network and the ills within a group (control, resources, etc...) It makes me wonder if this is how Minhaaj sees profiteering? A few question that come from all this; Can a resource node on the network be started by a network? Or have all resource nodes grown out of the efforts of an individual or small group? If you look at the current set or resource nodes, most of them grew from the efforts of an individual or small group. Maybe this is the natural lifecycle of a network node. And the challenge for any node is to transition from starting as a group, letting go, and becoming a network node... (Examples of resource nodes starting from individuals or small groups would be; Skype, OCW, CCK08, Wikipedia, Wikispaces, Delicious, Flickr, CC...) So what do you think, do all network nodes start out as small groups? As another Canadian, Thank-you...I certainly hope this thread plants some seeds and allows this important discussion to become a part of the WE consciousness. Sincerely, Peter On Nov 3, 1:06 am, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, I sense you have it. That makes me happy :) I am just back from a walk in the mountains, and struggle to find the motivation to explain this any more. I'm satisfied that I've at least communicated my thoughts to Peter, and hope he'll carry the ball further. I will recommend for a third time to watch Downes video explaining the tension between groups and networks, and reflect on the controlling influences that groups have on us individually - especially Wikieducator. Sorry if you all have watched it - I just see little evidence of it.
[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone
In the beginning there was the word... :) In the begining there was the Internet, and the ability for people to publish on it and express themselves. As epxressive individuals they were small nodes, connected by way of the Internet. When their connections to other nodes become stronger, they came closer together. Over time (and all the right agreements) they become close in fact they were indistinguishable from one another. Indivdually they grouped to form a bigger node, but it is now slightly more difficult for them to connect to new nodes because more of their energy is spent refering to each other and keeping their bigger node connected and strong. They are starting to loose the benefit of being in a long tail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, I get your point. And I do agree with you that if you don't facilitate mash-up practices you reduce connections, and therefore the network becomes smaller and restrained... openness is the way... I guess these subtleties are why so much discussion occurs regarding the meaning of open... I also get your point about items that connect nodes vs. being the nodes themselves. All this said I would think that Lawrence Lessig at one point would have been considered a node evangelizing the benefits of a creative commons, through time the CC has become a part of the conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time a small group hacking together a photo sharing site (there were a group). Linux at one time was an individual project... So could it be that all nodes or conduit technologies start as individuals or small groups... I seek an example where a network just appeared without it first being started by a small group or individual... Cheers, Peter On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered that list as nodes in a network. I suppose they are in some ways, but I have always considered them as the things that connect the real nodes - the platforms that facilitate communication between nodes. Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that as a node or nodes, both embodied in the content, and in you as the personal point of contact. K12 may someday connect with a similar or complimentary project on Wikispaces.. with a particular blog post.. a Youtube video.. another individual who works on her own space, but through certain technologies - feeds into K12... etc. This same networking of information and people can happen inside a single platform such as Wikieducator - but I would question its capacities if it where only inside Wikied. Things that make the networked mission succeed: Using digital formats published openly online. Use of CC By to unrestrict reuse and sampling (I suspect copyright will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future, if Google's approach to it is anything to go by). Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a network: Prescribing certain practices - such as CC By, Open Format Standards or Open Source Software (as much as I appreciate their worth, the loss in potential connections is too great if we insist on these too much). Not facilitating mashup practices (embedding 3rd party media). Centralising services. Policies that police, and so on. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, Most Excellent. I agree its time for those who have been following this thread to watch (or re-watch) the Downes video; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540 And I would agree I see a GROUP entrenching itself within WE. Not that this is a bad thing, it just is. Though, I do believe a network approach will have greater success in meeting the WE mission. WE can only hope that the council also sees it this way, or maybe they will see having a group approach is best for meeting the challenges of the WE mission. I think that encouraging a NETWORK of educators to utilize the WE infrastructure, and then everyone (WE Council, Etc...) gets out of the way is the best (re: like WIkiSpaces). In relation to the group vs. network and the ills within a group (control, resources, etc...) It makes me wonder if this is how Minhaaj sees profiteering? A few question that come from all this; Can a resource node on the network be started by a network? Or have all resource nodes grown out of the efforts of an individual or small group? If you look at the current set or resource nodes, most of them grew from the efforts of an individual or small group. Maybe this is the natural lifecycle of a network node. And the challenge for any node is to transition from starting as a group, letting go, and becoming a network node... (Examples of resource nodes starting from individuals or small groups would be; Skype, OCW, CCK08, Wikipedia, Wikispaces, Delicious,
[WikiEducator] GFDL 1.3 released
Hello all, the Free Software Foundation has today released the version 1.3 of the GNU Free Documentation License, the licensed used by Wikipedia. This version of the GFDL allows GFDL-wikis to switch to CC-BY-SA - see section 11, relicensing: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html Wikimedia hasn't decided to switch yet, but we plan to hold a community referendum on the issue very soon. If we do switch, I'll let you know - it would enable two-way legal compatibility with WikiEducator and similar educational resources. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone
Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, focus ebbs and flows. so sometimes putting energy into keeping something relevant and strong is like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn the damn thing around, let the node die... Don't forget the long tail is forever... So 20 years from now any resource could again become popular or through time this thread could be referenced many times... ;) On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the beginning there was the word... :) In the begining there was the Internet, and the ability for people to publish on it and express themselves. As epxressive individuals they were small nodes, connected by way of the Internet. When their connections to other nodes become stronger, they came closer together. Over time (and all the right agreements) they become close in fact they were indistinguishable from one another. Indivdually they grouped to form a bigger node, but it is now slightly more difficult for them to connect to new nodes because more of their energy is spent refering to each other and keeping their bigger node connected and strong. They are starting to loose the benefit of being in a long tail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, I get your point. And I do agree with you that if you don't facilitate mash-up practices you reduce connections, and therefore the network becomes smaller and restrained... openness is the way... I guess these subtleties are why so much discussion occurs regarding the meaning of open... I also get your point about items that connect nodes vs. being the nodes themselves. All this said I would think that Lawrence Lessig at one point would have been considered a node evangelizing the benefits of a creative commons, through time the CC has become a part of the conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time a small group hacking together a photo sharing site (there were a group). Linux at one time was an individual project... So could it be that all nodes or conduit technologies start as individuals or small groups... I seek an example where a network just appeared without it first being started by a small group or individual... Cheers, Peter On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered that list as nodes in a network. I suppose they are in some ways, but I have always considered them as the things that connect the real nodes - the platforms that facilitate communication between nodes. Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that as a node or nodes, both embodied in the content, and in you as the personal point of contact. K12 may someday connect with a similar or complimentary project on Wikispaces.. with a particular blog post.. a Youtube video.. another individual who works on her own space, but through certain technologies - feeds into K12... etc. This same networking of information and people can happen inside a single platform such as Wikieducator - but I would question its capacities if it where only inside Wikied. Things that make the networked mission succeed: Using digital formats published openly online. Use of CC By to unrestrict reuse and sampling (I suspect copyright will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future, if Google's approach to it is anything to go by). Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a network: Prescribing certain practices - such as CC By, Open Format Standards or Open Source Software (as much as I appreciate their worth, the loss in potential connections is too great if we insist on these too much). Not facilitating mashup practices (embedding 3rd party media). Centralising services. Policies that police, and so on. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, Most Excellent. I agree its time for those who have been following this thread to watch (or re-watch) the Downes video; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540 And I would agree I see a GROUP entrenching itself within WE. Not that this is a bad thing, it just is. Though, I do believe a network approach will have greater success in meeting the WE mission. WE can only hope that the council also sees it this way, or maybe they will see having a group approach is best for meeting the challenges of the WE mission. I think that encouraging a NETWORK of educators to utilize the WE infrastructure, and then everyone (WE Council, Etc...) gets out of the way is the best (re: like WIkiSpaces). In relation to the group vs. network and the ills within a group (control, resources, etc...) It makes me wonder if this is how Minhaaj sees profiteering? A few question that come from all this; Can a resource node on the network be started by a network? Or have all resource
[WikiEducator] Re: GFDL 1.3 released
Thanks for the info Kind Regards Chris Harvey chris.superuser.com.au On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, the Free Software Foundation has today released the version 1.3 of the GNU Free Documentation License, the licensed used by Wikipedia. This version of the GFDL allows GFDL-wikis to switch to CC-BY-SA - see section 11, relicensing: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html Wikimedia hasn't decided to switch yet, but we plan to hold a community referendum on the issue very soon. If we do switch, I'll let you know - it would enable two-way legal compatibility with WikiEducator and similar educational resources. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: GFDL 1.3 released
For my edification, does this mean that content within Wikipedia is now under the new version of GFDL, or, does Wikipedia have to take a vote / hold a referendum - like Mediawiki? I'm wondering if it's automatic, or there is some process that has to take place. Can you please clarify? Thanks, Randy On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Chris Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kind Regards Chris Harvey chris.superuser.com.au On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, the Free Software Foundation has today released the version 1.3 of the GNU Free Documentation License, the licensed used by Wikipedia. This version of the GFDL allows GFDL-wikis to switch to CC-BY-SA - see section 11, relicensing: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html Wikimedia hasn't decided to switch yet, but we plan to hold a community referendum on the issue very soon. If we do switch, I'll let you know - it would enable two-way legal compatibility with WikiEducator and similar educational resources. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: GFDL 1.3 released
Randy, you seem to have confused Mediawiki (the software) with the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF). Wikipedia is a project under the governance of the WMFhttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects, so Eric's advice relates to Wikipedia and all the other projects under the Foundation. In short, yes - a vote is still to be had. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my edification, does this mean that content within Wikipedia is now under the new version of GFDL, or, does Wikipedia have to take a vote / hold a referendum - like Mediawiki? I'm wondering if it's automatic, or there is some process that has to take place. Can you please clarify? Thanks, Randy On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Chris Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kind Regards Chris Harvey chris.superuser.com.au On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, the Free Software Foundation has today released the version 1.3 of the GNU Free Documentation License, the licensed used by Wikipedia. This version of the GFDL allows GFDL-wikis to switch to CC-BY-SA - see section 11, relicensing: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html Wikimedia hasn't decided to switch yet, but we plan to hold a community referendum on the issue very soon. If we do switch, I'll let you know - it would enable two-way legal compatibility with WikiEducator and similar educational resources. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: GFDL 1.3 released
Thanks for the clarification, Leigh. Randy On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Randy, you seem to have confused Mediawiki (the software) with the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF). Wikipedia is a project under the governance of the WMF http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects, so Eric's advice relates to Wikipedia and all the other projects under the Foundation. In short, yes - a vote is still to be had. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my edification, does this mean that content within Wikipedia is now under the new version of GFDL, or, does Wikipedia have to take a vote / hold a referendum - like Mediawiki? I'm wondering if it's automatic, or there is some process that has to take place. Can you please clarify? Thanks, Randy On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Chris Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Kind Regards Chris Harvey chris.superuser.com.au On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello all, the Free Software Foundation has today released the version 1.3 of the GNU Free Documentation License, the licensed used by Wikipedia. This version of the GFDL allows GFDL-wikis to switch to CC-BY-SA - see section 11, relicensing: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html Wikimedia hasn't decided to switch yet, but we plan to hold a community referendum on the issue very soon. If we do switch, I'll let you know - it would enable two-way legal compatibility with WikiEducator and similar educational resources. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
