"In the beginning there was the word..." :) In the begining there was the Internet, and the ability for people to publish on it and express themselves. As epxressive individuals they were small nodes, connected by way of the Internet. When their connections to other nodes become stronger, they came closer together. Over time (and all the right agreements) they become close in fact they were indistinguishable from one another. Indivdually they grouped to form a bigger node, but it is now slightly more difficult for them to connect to new nodes because more of their energy is spent refering to each other and keeping their bigger node connected and strong. They are starting to loose the benefit of being in a long tail <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail>.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Leigh, > > I get your point. And I do agree with you that if you don't facilitate > mash-up practices you reduce connections, and therefore the network > becomes smaller and restrained... openness is the way... I guess these > subtleties are why so much discussion occurs regarding the meaning of > open... > > I also get your point about items that connect nodes vs. being the > nodes themselves. All this said I would think that Lawrence Lessig at > one point would have been considered a node evangelizing the benefits > of a creative commons, through time the CC has become a part of the > conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time a small group hacking > together a photo sharing site (there were a group). Linux at one time > was an individual project... So could it be that all nodes or conduit > technologies start as individuals or small groups... I seek an example > where a network just appeared without it first being started by a > small group or individual... > > Cheers, Peter > > On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered that list as nodes in a network. I > > suppose they are in some ways, but I have always considered them as the > > things that connect the real nodes - the platforms that facilitate > > communication between nodes. > > > > Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that as a node or nodes, both > > embodied in the content, and in you as the personal point of contact. K12 > > may someday connect with a similar or complimentary project on > Wikispaces.. > > with a particular blog post.. a Youtube video.. another individual who > works > > on her own space, but through certain technologies - feeds into K12... > etc. > > This same networking of information and people can happen inside a single > > platform such as Wikieducator - but I would question its capacities if it > > where only inside Wikied. > > > > Things that make the networked "mission" succeed: Using digital formats > > published openly online. Use of CC By to unrestrict reuse and sampling (I > > suspect copyright will be a thing of the past in the not too distant > future, > > if Google's approach to it is anything to go by). > > > > Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a network: Prescribing certain > > practices - such as CC By, Open Format Standards or Open Source Software > (as > > much as I appreciate their worth, the loss in potential connections is > too > > great if we insist on these too much). Not facilitating "mashup" > practices > > (embedding 3rd party media). Centralising services. Policies that police, > > and so on. > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Leigh, > > > Most Excellent. I agree its time for those who have been following > > > this thread to watch (or re-watch) the Downes video; > > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540 > > > And I would agree I see a GROUP entrenching itself within WE. Not that > > > this is a bad thing, it just is. Though, I do believe a network > > > approach will have greater success in meeting the WE mission. WE can > > > only hope that the council also sees it this way, or maybe they will > > > see having a group approach is best for meeting the challenges of the > > > WE mission. I think that encouraging a NETWORK of educators to utilize > > > the WE infrastructure, and then everyone (WE Council, Etc...) gets out > > > of the way is the best (re: like WIkiSpaces). In relation to the group > > > vs. network and the "ills" within a group (control, resources, etc...) > > > It makes me wonder if this is how Minhaaj sees profiteering? > > > > > A few question that come from all this; Can a resource node on the > > > network be started by a network? Or have all resource nodes grown out > > > of the efforts of an individual or small group? If you look at the > > > current set or resource nodes, most of them grew from the efforts of > > > an individual or small group. Maybe this is the natural lifecycle of a > > > network node. And the challenge for any node is to transition from > > > starting as a group, letting go, and becoming a network node... > > > > > (Examples of resource nodes starting from individuals or small groups > > > would be; Skype, OCW, CCK08, Wikipedia, Wikispaces, Delicious, Flickr, > > > CC...) So what do you think, do all network nodes start out as small > > > groups? > > > > > As another Canadian, Thank-you...I certainly hope this thread plants > > > some seeds and allows this important discussion to become a part of > > > the WE consciousness. > > > > > Sincerely, Peter > > > > > On Nov 3, 1:06 am, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Peter, I sense you have it. That makes me happy :) > > > > > > I am just back from a walk in the mountains, and struggle to find the > > > > motivation to explain this any more. I'm satisfied that I've at least > > > > communicated my thoughts to Peter, and hope he'll carry the ball > further. > > > I > > > > will recommend for a third time to watch Downes video explaining the > > > tension > > > > between groups and networks, and reflect on the controlling > influences > > > that > > > > groups have on us individually - especially Wikieducator. Sorry if > you > > > all > > > > have watched it - I just see little evidence of it. > > > > > > Legs so sore I can barely keep the laptop on my lap! Face burnt, > mouth > > > dry, > > > > boots wet. I'll sleep well tonight! > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Derek Chirnside > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > Well well. Saturday, 6.01am here, just off to the Coast with two > > > bands, > > > > > one classic rock and one progressive rock to play 7 hours at the > Empire > > > > > Hotel during the 6,000 people Ross Fireworks Festival, hay fever > > > disenhanced > > > > > (severely today), and very very tired after the decision this week > in > > > the > > > > > Moodle trial here and the huge amount of work leading up to this. > > > > > > > Then this post comes. The first words where I think I really can > > > engage > > > > > wkith this fascinating discussion, possibly at the risk of missing > the > > > > > point, but I do have some things to say. > > > > > I'm based at an unusual institution. They will give us the OK to > start > > > of > > > > > UCTL.canterbury.ac.nz as a little fun thing, to give away all the > work > > > > > from one of my recent projects, yet quibble over pixel widths on > > > learning > > > > > pages with branding, and force a 12 month process when 2 weeks > would > > > really > > > > > be enough to make a decision. etc. A place of contradictions > where I > > > am a > > > > > minion. Some things (only some things) are not the best, but I'm > > > finding > > > > > (vaguely)a place there. > > > > > > > I'm a dabbler in WE. In and out like a yo yo - committed to OER > but > > > like > > > > > some other software develiopers, mistaking a clear view of the goal > > > with the > > > > > closeness of it. Some of your comments probably resonate about why > I > > > find > > > > > it hard at times in the WE OER environment. > > > > > > > BUT: I can't post now more, got to pack trailors etc, and I'll be > away > > > from > > > > > any internet for 36 hours. > > > > > The crunch came three weeks ago. I was off to do a reccee for the > Ross > > > > > trip to the Coast. At 27 hours notice I got a call to run 2 > Podcasting > > > > > workshops on the coast. I was already going, so hey, I thought, > lets > > > do it. > > > > > Where to put it was my query? WE was obvious. Checked out the > > > podcasting > > > > > stuff. Tried to decide what to do. Fiddle with it? Copy and > adapt > > > it? > > > > > Work with Podcasting to create Derek's Podcasting. I had no time > to do > > > it > > > > > this way. How to name my pages? How to cluster them? How much to > > > > > contextualise? Who owns the page 'podcasting workshop' and can I > > > fiddle > > > > > with it? Should I start one as well? > > > > > > > This is a trivial context I know, but they made me face a few of > these > > > > > questions you are debating here. > > > > > > > OK. Unfinished. > > > > > But I have broken the ice. I'll be back. > > > > > If the discussion has not moved on two much I'll post tomorrow > > > afternoon. > > > > > I may post even if it has. :-) > > > > > > > -Derek > > > > > > > 2008/10/31 Alex P. Real <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Hi Leigh, > > > > > > >> Beautiful response, I really appreciate it <smile>. The scenario > > > > >> product/maintainer/tradeoff is recurrent in many realms, not just > > > software. > > > > >> I can only agree to your reading on collaborative editing, the > main > > > reason > > > > >> why I've refrained from contributing contents, to see how things > work > > > and > > > > >> avoid potential uneasiness among page creators. I find more > > > productive > > > > >> adding to something going on than starting from scratch. And as > the > > > prime > > > > >> focus is the Commonwealth it seemed coherent to leave the > initiative > > > to > > > > >> intended beneficiaries, maybe a bias acquired in development > projects. > > > I > > > > >> know I can start my own page, node, but seemed out of place, so > > > focused on > > > > >> Collage G-group until it fulfilled its role in COL's agenda. No > > > criticism, > > > > >> right? > > > > > > >> Re TQF I got involved replying to an email by Anil re content > > > development > > > > >> and read the full thread with keen interest, same as the > Wikipedia > > > entry. > > > > >> With such a diverse base of educators WE seems ideal to conduct > some > > > > >> research re existing frameworks, limitations, alternatives, etc. > to > > > > >> contribute to TQF or whatever and try minimize the dangers you > rightly > > > > >> perceive, and take into account country/cultural specificities > usually > > > set > > > > >> aside; or as some sort of repository. But again, not for me to > tell. > > > I'll > > > > >> start my own stuff to pursue my interests, otherwise I'll end > > > quitting. > > > > > > >> I can only guess what you mean by "grouped thinking" (my > ignorance > > > re WE > > > > >> subtleties), keep fighting for your beliefs. I may not agree with > you > > > 100% > > > > >> which is healthy and enriching, but it doesn't mean I don't > > > > >> follow/like/admire what you do. > > > > > > >> Cheers, > > > > > > >> Alex > > > > > > >> *De:* wikieducator@googlegroups.com [mailto: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> *En nombre de *Leigh Blackall > > > > >> *Enviado el:* jueves, 30 de octubre de 2008 22:46 > > > > >> *Para:* wikieducator@googlegroups.com > > > > >> *Asunto:* [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another > > > Milestone > > > > > > >> Alex said: > > > > > > >> Sorry if pushy here but have you > > > > >> considered your approach could be perceived as an imposition > itself? > > > > >> Criticism is great, and I mean it, but what alternatives do you > > > suggest? > > > > >> Ever thought TQF could ease many lives, e.g. qual recognition > abroad, > > > > >> which > > > > >> can be a real nightmare? > > > > > > >> Yes, of course Alex, I have and do consider the question - often > > > > >> reflecting on the many years I have spent encouraging (to put it > > > lightly) > > > > >> teachers to use socially networked media, and arguing for a > specific > > > type of > > > > >> change, namely individual capability and independence, and > networked > > > > >> practice. 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