Re: [Wikimania-l] Friendly Space Policy (was: Sad news)

[Chris Keating]

On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 4:11 AM cs  wrote:
>
> I’ve been to  a great  many  international  conferences in  my  career -  but 
>  not  so many  since I  retired. I  can’t  recall  people wearing  ‘Don’t  
> touch me’,  ‘Don’t  photo me’, ‘Don’t  come near me’, ‘Don’t  talk  to  me’ 
> badges. Do  they  do  it  nowadays already?

No, they don't. This proposal would make Wikimania the first
conference to outsource basic social awareness to a set of coloured
spots stuck to the front of badges.

I can't say it would be a positive change, not least because people
would start blaming harrassment on people not wearing the right
coloured badge.

Chris

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Friendly Space Policy (was: Sad news)

[Chris Keating]

Probably the best thing that can happen to this thread now is that it
dies off, but I did just want to respond to this point by Pine,
because it's really important:

> 1. How, exactly, are white males unqualified to discuss the Friendly Space 
> Policy because of their/our identity as white males?

Men (add well-educated, straight, able-bodied, wealthy if you wish)
from whatever ethnic group is most prominent in the country they live
in have a  different experience of life to everyone else.

Harassment, bullying and various other forms of discrimination are
much more frequent , even normal, for women, people from ethnic
minorities, LGBT people, and others who don't match that description.

So a conversation mainly conducted by white men about something like a
Friendly Space Policy is mainly being conducted by people who do not
experience the issue that the Friendly Space Policy is designed to
address. Or if they do experience it, it's an unusual thing that's
easy to laugh off.

Therefore this kind of conversation is much more likely to conclude
that there isn't a real problem, or the policy isn't working, or other
things are more important (e.g. being REALLY TRANSPARENT ABOUT
EVERYTHING), or whatever has happened in a particular case isn't an
issue. Which, predictably enough, is *exactly* what has happened in
this conversation.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Friendly Space Policy (was: Sad news)

[Chris Keating]

Thanks for writing this Lilli - I completely agree. Lots of opinions
from people going "well this person didn't harass me" or "I don't know
the specifics but maybe it's just cultural differences" or "omg the
WMF has done something outrageous again" do not really help this kind
of situation.

If our objective is to make sure everyone is welcome in the Wikimedia
movement it's vital that something like the Friendly Space policy
exists and is enforced.

Chris

>
> One reliable way to silence people when they experience harassment as well as 
> keeping others from speaking out, is to have them experience how other, 
> non-involved people, would immediately have an opinion on what happened and 
> judge the case or the person in question. This is what has happened here. It 
> is furthermore, absolutely out of proportion to weigh ones personal 
> irritation about some members being potentially more aware and sensitive of 
> this topic, against a context in which harassment and violence is not the 
> exception, but everyday reality.
>

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

[Chris Keating]

Hello - I wouldn't claim to know anything about the specifics of
what's happened here but did just want to respond to this:

> * On one hand, Romaine *has* to be close to a person he is talking to, 
> otherwise he is unable to hear them. I know him, he really is.

I work in an office where about 20% of the workforce are deaf or hard
of hearing. I have never known a situation where someone feels they
'have' to be so close to someone to hear that the other party feels
uncomfortable.

There is plenty one can do to make life easier for a deaf friend or
colleague (speak clearly, make eye contact, keep your face in full
view, use plenty of body language...) but standing right next to them
is not the normal way to do it.

Thanks,

Chris

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1

[Chris Keating]

I think in our case the advantages would be

a) it saves a lot of volunteer time because applications would need
much less assessment
b) it protects the system from the perpetual accusation that "there
are some people who always get scholarships"
c) it also removes "skill in writing applications" as a factor in
deciding who gets a scholarship

The drawback would be
d) arguably it might reduce the impact of the event, if quality of
application is in fact linked to the impact from a particular person
attending the conference

It's worth noting that the other big movement event, the Wikimedia
Conference, does not award scholarships based on applications, or
merit - the WMF just funds whoever various chapters and user groups
want to attend (which is more often a case of who's the first to put
up their hand, or the last to run out of the room, than any kind of
rigorous process)

Not saying that a lottery would necessarily be the right answer but
the more I think about it the more I think "well, what IS the case for
application-based scholarships, and do they really achieve the goals
for the event?"

Chris

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:
> Chris Keating, 05/06/2018 18:53:
>>
>> Thinking about it, drawing lots might not be the silliest idea in the
>> universe.
>
>
> Sure. It's used in several kinds of official selections and there's ample
> research on the effects. That said, it's rarely popular, because it's often
> perceived as a failure or last resort.
>
> Federico

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1

[Chris Keating]

Thinking about it, drawing lots might not be the silliest idea in the universe.

After all, ability to write a great application is at best a rough
proxy for actual impact. Why not have a less granular system that
filters out the "clear No"s and then allocate the remaining places by
ballot, taking into account the demographics/projects that need to be
represented?

Chris


On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 4:19 PM, DerHexer  wrote:
> That's true:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Wikimania_scholars/Reviewer%27s_guide#Score_adjustment_for_previous_scholars
> (that this is not the perfect system is well known to everyone in the
> committee which, as Mardetanha said, changes every year—it's still very hard
> to implement a process which does not favor these who are used to write good
> applications if we don't draw lots).
>
> We had to start the scholarship processes at some point due to visa
> regulations, unfortunately before the program team could finish their
> process. For that reason, the scholarship committee proposed to save some
> money for people who could not hold their presentations without a
> scholarship. But in the end, it's the WMF who thankfully manages all the
> outcomes and the jury only evalutes the applications at some point.
>
> Best,
> Martin/DerHexer
>
>
> 
> Von: Sjoerd de Bruin 
> An: Wikimania general list (open subscription)
> 
> Gesendet: 17:15 Freitag, 1.Juni 2018
> Betreff: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1
>
> I think that is already included in scholarship applications, if I remember
> correctly.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Sjoerd de Bruin
>
> Op 1 jun. 2018, om 17:06 heeft Julie Workman  het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Is there at present any metric by which previous scholarship attendees are
> judged on their dissemination of Wikimania experiences after the conference?
> The complaint being brought up is not only about awardees getting repeat
> scholarships, but failing to enrich their communities afterwards with what
> they learned / what it was like / who they met / what they will do now. With
> a limited number of scholarships available, it is true that the attendees
> are expected to share their good fortune with those who couldn't attend.
>
> If nothing like that is in place, could it not be added? For example, a
> field on the application: "were you awarded a scholarship last year (and
> attended)?" "If yes, please describe (and provide links where possible) to
> the activities and discussions you organised with your community regarding
> your experience at Wikimania". If a sufficiently good and detailed response
> is not provided, the application can receive a lower score (or possibly be
> discarded...? I'm not au fait with the process).
>
> Julia W
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> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter
> the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF
> presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a
> one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and
> have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens
> with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of
> financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system
> is a perennial point of friction.
>
> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review
> of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With
> WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers
> spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would
> make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to
> synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring
> that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time
> that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship
> system could be 

Re: [Wikimania-l] Update on Wikimania '18

[Chris Keating]

Let's imagine a totally fair, but not very good process: Scholarships
get allocated completely at random. Some people would keep getting
allocated scholarships, entirely randomly.

Therefore, the observation that some people get scholarships several
years in a row is not strong evidence that the selection process is
somehow biased towards a select few...

(I mean, it is biased, towards people mainly active in smaller
language projects and from the Global South - that's quite deliberate
- and then it's biased towards Germans, because WMDE offers dozens of
scholarships for Germans outside of the WMF scheme. But those are
separate issues)

Chris

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:25 PM, Vira Motorko  wrote:
> Hi all, I'd like to add a few words.
> Applicants tend to forget that same people are likely to be selected if same
> people are applying.
> I do not think that it is a first job of scholarship committee to check that
> every year there are new people. If certain community has a problem that
> Wikimedians go to Wikimania but fail to report back to the community and do
> not bring back new knowledge, then it should be discussed within the
> community. I do believe that local community can find a way to encourage or
> discourage people to apply for a scholarship.
> If there is trust in the community, discussions within it will bring ease.
> For example, different applicants can gather and compare their applications,
> and decide for themselves why scholarship committee liked this one better
> than that one. And write better application next time. Talk to each other,
> people.
>
> Best regards,
> user:Ата,
> applied but did not receive scholarship in 2012, 2013, and 2014; received
> scholarship in 2015 and 2016; haven't apply since; gave advice to several
> other people with their applications
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Scholarships for people whose visa were declined

[Chris Keating]

Sounds very sensible!

Chris

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> Katherine Maher just announced at Wikimania 2017 that all scholarship
> recipients who were unable to obtain a visa, will be automatically
> granted a scholarship for Wikimania 2018.
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Speaker advice thread

[Chris Keating]

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Lodewijk  wrote:
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> While some may be concerned that their vocabulary is too limited - the
> opposite warning must be provided for native speakers. It is often easier to
> follow a non-native speaker, because they are aware of their limitations.
> Especially native speakers have the tendency to speak too fast, push in too
> much content in their presentation and rush through it.

I was literally about to post this. :)

If you *are* a native speaker - please prepare just as well as if you
were speaking in another language, even if you normally "wing it" when
presenting to a native-English audience.

Listening in a second language takes far more effort than listening in
your native language, so please make life easy for your audience!

Record yourself speaking and write down what you actually said. Then
work out how you can cut out subordinate clauses (anything in commas
or parentheses), and try to write in simple past / present / future
tenses where you can.

If you speak in clear English then more people will understand.

Chris

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Chris Keating]

Well, the idea of "-mania" meaning "collective outpouring of enthusiasm"
rather than "mental illness" dates to at least the 1960s with Beatlemania,
even if the original use of the formulation -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisztomania - was intended to have clinical
meaning.

I am unaware of any actual objections to this usage from, for instance,
psychiatrists or mental health organisations.

Chris



On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Stuart Prior 
wrote:

> "Mania" is not a word where the meaning has completely changed, and is
> still evidently used in current psychiatry. https://en.
> wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania#References
>
> A prescriptivist view of the word would be deciding what it *doesn't*
> mean, as much as what it *does*.
> Gordo is rightly pointing out that nowadays it just has more meanings, and
> has stigmatising qualities like the words "lame", "retard" etc. And we
> should think about that as a movement that tries to be inclusive.
>
> Personally I've always thought that Wikimania needed a name change
> (Wikimedia Conference needs a name change too). WikiGlobal? WikiSummit?
> WikiFest?
>
> S
>
>
>
> On 3 November 2016 at 12:54, Stephan Schulz  wrote:
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
>>
>> > On 03 Nov 2016, at 13:52, Pierre-Selim  wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm not specially shocked. In France we have a video game retail
>> company called Micromania (based on microcomputer and mania), who targeted
>> video game player (I don't think the name of the company is confused by
>> anyone as a medical condition or an insult).
>> >
>> > Long time ago I heard a good joke about the naming of the conference:
>> it should be called the Wikimedia Conference and what is call now the
>> Wikimedia Conference should probably be called Wikimania
>> >
>> > 2016-11-03 13:28 GMT+01:00 Gordon Joly :
>> >
>> >
>> > Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
>> >
>> > Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
>> >
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Chris Keating]

Thanks Ellie! Sounds like a very productive step!

Chris

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:26 AM, Ellie Young <eyo...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Chris Keating <
> chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well this thread turned out bigger (and much more productive) than I
>> expected!
>>
>
>
>> To my mind, Wikimania continuing to happen every year is a minor miracle,
>> and one that's only possible with the hard work and dedication of lots of
>> people.
>>
>> However, it's a miracle that isn't without its problems. The most obvious
>> problem to my mind is that there is a very mixed quality of actual
>> conference programme, and without clear objectives (or at least not
>> consistent objectives). The Wikimedia Conference, by contrast, has a much
>> clearer alignment of the programme with a set of goals, and work happens to
>> follow up before and after the conference.
>>
>> The second problem is that the responsibilities for governance and
>> management of the conference are really very unclear. We have the Wikimania
>> Committee, we have the local team (and in some cases a local chapter who
>> may or may not be working closely with the bid team), we have the Programme
>> Committee and we have the WMF. (Actually we have the WMF at least twice, as
>> the priorities of the WMF team involved in organising the conference don't
>> always seem to align with those of the rest of the organisation).
>>
>
>
>
>>
>> In my view, the most useful thing for all these groups to do is to work
>> out who is actually responsible for what, and document it, in public.
>>
>
> T
> ​his is an excellent suggestion.  It is not unclear to me how things work
> having been involved with coordination among the various 'players' for the
> past few years.  The Handbook is out of date as well.   So I will take an
> action item to start revising this and making it clearer to everyone about
> the structure, organization, etc for the community at large. This is
> especially necessary as we move forward with next steps for 2018 in the
> coming months (working on this with WMF and Committee so we are all in
> alignment about the future, and we can better enable  prospective future
> hosts/organizers to engage with us.)
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Chris Keating]

Well this thread turned out bigger (and much more productive) than I
expected!

To my mind, Wikimania continuing to happen every year is a minor miracle,
and one that's only possible with the hard work and dedication of lots of
people.

However, it's a miracle that isn't without its problems. The most obvious
problem to my mind is that there is a very mixed quality of actual
conference programme, and without clear objectives (or at least not
consistent objectives). The Wikimedia Conference, by contrast, has a much
clearer alignment of the programme with a set of goals, and work happens to
follow up before and after the conference.

The second problem is that the responsibilities for governance and
management of the conference are really very unclear. We have the Wikimania
Committee, we have the local team (and in some cases a local chapter who
may or may not be working closely with the bid team), we have the Programme
Committee and we have the WMF. (Actually we have the WMF at least twice, as
the priorities of the WMF team involved in organising the conference don't
always seem to align with those of the rest of the organisation).

In my view, the most useful thing for all these groups to do is to work out
who is actually responsible for what, and document it, in public.

Chris
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Re: [Wikimania-l] warning: T-shirt bleeds color

[Chris Keating]

> I'm now left envisioning exactly what you did to infuse it with the spirit
> of London.
>
>
There is an elaborate ritual involving teabags, warm beer and the river
Thames which we hold at the National Portrait Gallery* every midsummers'
eve. Any true Freeman of the City of London will tell you the same.

Chris

*which is why there are no photos of it on Commons
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Chris Keating]

So, to summarise the discussion (from Wikimania-l)

* The WMF is still coming to a view on whether it supports a 2018
Wikimania, but the issue is being considered by the Board and the ED. The
WMF don't consider the results of their consultation on the matter as
conclusive
* The Wikimania Committee have an ambition/intention to hold a 2018
Wikimania, but don't feel this is based solely on the sample of people who
showed up to the future of Wikimania session at Wikimania
* A number of chapters have expressed support for Wikimania remaining an
annual event, though also thinking that the programme design process needs
to be improved
* There is in fact some dialogue between the Wikimania Committe, the WMF
board, WMF staff, and the chapters

Have I got that right?

Thanks,

Chris

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hoi,
>
> I was interested to read the minutes of the most recent Wikimania
> Committee meeting, which decided that Wikimania will be held annually from
> now on, and that it will be in sub-Saharan Africa (effectively meaning
> South Africa) in 2018.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee/Minutes/2016-06-26
>
> Interestingly, I couldn't see any sign of the Committee's decision being
> informed by the WMF's consultation on the future of Wikimania, or anyone
> from the WMF's community engagement department being present.
>
> I have to say I'm a bit confused, not least about who actually makes the
> decision about how frequently Wikimania happens. Is anyone able to shed any
> more light on this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Chris Keating]

Thanks Marc.

So - has the WMF committed to fund a 2018 Wikimania? If they haven't, then
how is one going to happen?

And while I wasn't entirely sure what to make of the WMF's consultation
about the future of Wikimania, I can also see some methodological flaws in
conducting a consultation among the group of people who come to the "future
of Wikimania" session at Wikimania.

Regards,

Chris

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Marc-Andre <m...@uberbox.org> wrote:

> On 2016-07-08 10:01 AM, Chris Keating wrote:
>
>> Interestingly, I couldn't see any sign of the Committee's decision being
>> informed by the WMF's consultation on the future of Wikimania, or anyone
>> from the WMF's community engagement department being present.
>>
>
> Wikimania is, and always was, a community led and organized event. The
> WMF, as its traditional biggest sponsor[1], has a great deal of influence
> in the matter - but ultimately no decision power beyond "fund and resource
> or not".
>
> The committee's decision has indeed taken into account the consultation
> you refer to - as well as the roundtable discussion on the "Future of
> Wikimania" that took place earlier[2].  Our evaluation, which is reflected
> in that resolution, is that the consultation was clearly flawed and that
> its conclusion does not reflect consensus - neither of the community
> members who organize nor of those who attend Wikimania.
>
> -- Coren / Marc
>
> [1] Although "underwrite" might be a better term - the WMF has pretty much
> shouldered the vast majority of the costs and given the most logistical
> support year in and year out.
>
> [2] Where the consensus was to overwhelmingly reject that consultation's
> conclusion in favor or continuing with Wikimania as a yearly even given its
> irreplaceable role in our movement.
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[Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Chris Keating]

Hoi,

I was interested to read the minutes of the most recent Wikimania Committee
meeting, which decided that Wikimania will be held annually from now on,
and that it will be in sub-Saharan Africa (effectively meaning South
Africa) in 2018.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee/Minutes/2016-06-26

Interestingly, I couldn't see any sign of the Committee's decision being
informed by the WMF's consultation on the future of Wikimania, or anyone
from the WMF's community engagement department being present.

I have to say I'm a bit confused, not least about who actually makes the
decision about how frequently Wikimania happens. Is anyone able to shed any
more light on this?

Thanks,

Chris
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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

[Chris Keating]

> The communications failure and lack of any public consultation before
> throwing away the community driven bidding process, was a very good
> moment to appoint a new Chair of the Wikimania Committee. The
> suggestion at the time was ignored.[1] How can the community force
> real changes, if the Committee is in apparent PR lock-down? From my
> understanding of the history of this committee, it is long overdue to
> appoint a Chair who is not reliant on keeping the WMF executive happy
> for their salary.

Hi Fae,

I did wonder how long how much time would elapse from Arnnon Geshuri's
departure  before you demanded someone else resigned from something.

Perhaps for "transparency" you could publish a list of all the occasions
you have demanded people in the Wikimedia movement resign from things? By
my count we are already on 4 in 2016 alone, which is quite good going for
period of 6 weeks :)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Did you ever attend Wikimania with your money? Talk to us!

[Chris Keating]

>
> uuh - i am not sure if one should open that can of worms. what is the
>> purpose of wikimania? is it to raise money? for sure not. there are
>> more intelligent ways to do that. is wikimania a business, i.e. the
>> organizer want to get as much money out of the conference as possible?
>> for sure not. there are other conference topics which are more
>> promising.
>
>
> If there is interest by participants to chip in on scholarships for others
> to attend, I'm not sure providing an outlet for that interest means opening
> any cans, full of worms or other critters. It's an efficient matching of
> donor interest to funding needed.
>

Quite! I can certainly see there being people (probably some Wikimedians)
who would be interested in making a donation to help others (certainly
Wikimedians) to get to Wikimania. Much more interested than they are in
giving to WMF's general funds to pay for cups of coffee for developers. Of
course, this might result in very few donations and not be worth the
effort, but you don't know until you've tried it.

By contrast I'd guess that very few banner-campaign donors are interested
in Wikimania at all.

Chris


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Did you ever attend Wikimania with your money? Talk to us!

[Chris Keating]

>
>
> The registration form will definitely include an option to donate
> some money for the scholarships fund. There was a substantial interest in
> this option.


Good idea! It might also be a good move to make this kind of donation
possible for people who don't register.
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Thoughts on carrying the Wikimania conversation forward

[Chris Keating]

One thing that I think would be helpful before, or during, this
conversation is to define the role of the Wikimania committee and the staff
involved.

This is something that's gradually developed from "a group of people who
often get involved in Wikimania" to a standing Advisory Group to a
Committee that is now making fundamental decisions. At the same time the
WMF has played a greater role in decision-making about Wikimanias. (Quite
rightly, in my view, given the level of expenditure and risk involved).

As a result I'm not quite sure what the remit of the Committee is, or how
it relates to staff. Is it more like the FDC, where the committee takes the
(more-or-less) binding decisions supported by analysis & facilitation from
staff members? Or is it more like the GAC where the committee provides
feedback and a more diverse set of views, but the final decision is a staff
member's?

Thanks,

Chris

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Siko Bouterse 
wrote:

> Thanks for these suggestions, Lodewijk. Starting with the main goals and
> ideas before moving to detailed process and criteria makes a lot of sense.
> We'll need to define a process for 2018 before too long - one of the issues
> we're seeing is a need to select hosts earlier, because good venues book up
> early - so I'm not sure we can postpone the process discussions entirely
> until after Ensino Lario, but I hear your point about vision before
> process, and about using the next Wikimania to forward some phases of
> discussion in-person. We can look at options for how to accomplish this.
>
> Cheers,
> Siko
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Lodewijk 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Siko,
>>
>> Thanks for the constructive thoughts.
>>
>> I agree it is good to focus on the future, and have a good discussion
>> about this. I hope that chapters and organised groups (who could have
>> higher odds for bidding/hosting) also discuss this topic, and use that as
>> input. That way, more people can be included indirectly.
>>
>> While I do think we should really discuss this, I do also think Esino
>> Lario is a very brave experiment, and I would like to separate the
>> discussion between general goals, and how we accomplish them. I expect we
>> will learn many lessons from Esino Lario based on the very creative
>> approach to the conference. Some things will work out great, and should be
>> repeated, others probably give a less enthusiast feeling for repetition.
>> That is nothing to be ashamed of, because if we never try, we never find
>> out.
>>
>> So I would like to propose that this consultation does /not/ result in a
>> very rigid set of criteria and process, but that it focuses on the main
>> goals, the main ideas what we want with Wikimania - and that we revisit
>> that shortly after Esino Lario to incorporate those lessons. That also
>> gives some space to have a real life discussion at Wikimania about this
>> plan :) It would be nice to have a good set of input for that real life
>> discussion though!
>>
>> Best,
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Siko Bouterse 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Just letting you know that I’m reading the recent Wikimania-focused
>>> mailing list threads with interest, as the Community Resources team is now
>>> on-point for funding and coordinating WMF’s involvement in Wikimania.
>>>
>>> A couple of first thoughts to share:
>>>
>>> 1. WMF has learned from past Wikimanias that we need to do our
>>> due-diligence on venue etc before the host team and location is announced.
>>> One reason for this is that we have a limited budget for Wikimania, and
>>> doing a site visit before the host is finalized helps us ensure that we’re
>>> able to support the costs of the event in a given location. Ellie Young is
>>> headed to Montreal in 2 weeks and based on what she learns from that visit,
>>> we’re aiming to give the steering committee what they need to confirm
>>> selection before the end of 2015. That said, we recognize that
>>> communications around this haven’t gone as planned, and we are looking into
>>> improvements…(see thought 2)
>>>
>>> 2. We, too, would like to see the movement building towards a shared
>>> vision of Wikimania! It is great to see so many people, in true
>>> Wikimedian-style, thinking about big-picture questions of participation,
>>> representation, and content at Wikimania. Knowing that mailing list
>>> discussions have their limits, here’s how my team is thinking about
>>> collecting feedback more systematically for this going forward:
>>>
>>> We’ll be launching a community consultation in November to help build
>>> towards more shared vision and process improvements for Wikimania 2018 -
>>> 2021. Two key inputs we’ve been thinking about using to launch that
>>> conversation are 1) responses from the survey of last Wikimania’s attendees
>>> and 2) the steering committee’s recommendation for host selection going
>>> 

Re: [Wikimania-l] Thank you to our hosts

[Chris Keating]

Further to my last email, I would add DO have mariachis at every future
Wikimania. :)

(And does anyone know where I can find their tailors? I could do with those
trousers)

More seriously - great job guys :)
On 19 Jul 2015 15:56, N C Hasive nhas...@wikimedia.org.bd wrote:

 Its really a great wikimania. Thanks the Team Wikimania and Wikimedia
 Mexico.

 Special thanks to Ivan and the whole team who doing really great job.

 -Hasive
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 On 19 Jul 2015 15:21, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com wrote:

 I too want to give my personal cheers to the organising team and
 especially the volunteers. They did a wonderful job, and they should be
 given a time to get to the podium and receive their deserved applause. :)

 I hope that the next year we Italians will be able to provide an
 equivalent result -- it will be difficult, but we'll try very hard. :)

 Luca Sannita Martinelli
 http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sannita
 Il 19/lug/2015 14:42, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.org ha scritto:

 +1

 On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mis...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Subramanya Sastry
 ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  I loved the food, and as a vegetarian, felt well-accomodated!

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[Wikimania-l] Xochimilco and Coyoacan tour tomorrow

[Chris Keating]

There is also a small Wikitour of Xochimilco canal district world heritage
site and Coyocan historic colonial district tomorrow.

Departs 0900 and returns 1630 - cost 38USD per head (pay by card at start
of tour).

If you want to take part please email me (space is limited).

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Re: [Wikimania-l] New time for my talk

[Chris Keating]

Please don't be early for this  as the chairs' meeting will not work with a
big audience :)
On 19 Jul 2015 11:25, Danny B. wikimania.dann...@email.cz wrote:

 Updated the schedule...

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 Komu: Wikimania general list (open subscription) 
 wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Datum: 19. 7. 2015 18:07:39
 Předmět: [Wikimania-l] New time for my talk

 Hello, everyone.

 I have missed many talks at Wikimania over the years, but this one is new:
 I hilariously missed my own talk!

 *I apologize* to the audience for the no-show.  I have now taken the
 liberty of rescheduling my talk for *12pm at Don Genaro*, which seems
 available on the Programme (which is edit-protected...).

 Please do show up if you'd like to learn about the accidental canon and
 other lessons from 16 years of building digital libraries.


 https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Accidental_Canon_and_Other_Lessons_From_Building_Digital_Libraries

 If you can't, or want a sneak preview to make up your mind, the slides are
 available in the submission page.

 See you there! :)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Soumaya reception

[Chris Keating]

To add to Asaf ' s list of don'ts can I suggest for future Wikimanias:

DON'T rely on buses to make round trips to get to venues

DON'T try to squeeze the whole attendance of the event through one
revolving door to a venue

DON'T advertise food and drink  when you mean a glass of fruit juice and
finger food

DON'T hold the group photo at a venue away from the main conference

DON'T have music so loud it obliterates conversation
On 18 Jul 2015 18:48, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 According to a volunteer at the registration desk just now, three buses
 leave at 7:00, drop people at the museum, and then come back to pick up the
 rest.  I think this means:

 1. DON'T assume the bus won't leave BEFORE 7:30, or at 7:30.

 2. DON'T assume there will be room on the later trip if too many people
 choose that instead of the earlier trip.

 In other words, to ensure you make it to the museum with the buses, you
 should probably be at the lobby at 7:00 and STAY there if you don't get on
 the first trip, so that you don't miss the second one.

A.
 On Jul 18, 2015 4:39 PM, Rachel diCerbo rdic...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 I will probably take a return taxi earlier; probably not too hard for
 people to arrange groups to do so as well!

 r

 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk bas...@yandex.ru
 wrote:

 Sounds nice since 7.6km is rather a long walk for an evening in
 unfamiliar place :)

 19.07.2015, 00:14, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com:
  Asaf, we will have the same buses coming back to Hilton to all
 attendees at 11:00 and 11:30 pm
  Thanks,
 
  2015-07-18 15:57 GMT-05:00 Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org:
  What about the return to the hotel?  Is there for each attendee to
 arrange on their own?
 
 A.
 
  On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi folks, we will have 6 buses for Soumaya reception outside the
 venue at 7:00 and 6 more at 7:30. Your badge is your entrance to the
 reception, so please bring with you.
 
  If you will take the bus on Hilton please ask for a sticker. If not,
 just arrive presenting your badge at the entrance. We strongly encourage to
 you to leave your laptop at the hotel.
 
  Map of Soumaya location: http://osm.org/go/S8duNCSPa
 
  Thanks,
 
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Social activities this evening?

[Chris Keating]

So apparently NONE of the registrations for tonight's events are valid and
anyone wishing to go to Anthropologia must register at the registration
desk at 6 pm.
On 17 Jul 2015 15:59, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a question - Wiki takes Antropología! page says transport will be
 offered for 180 persons; does that mean 180 people can attend, but only 40
 will be on the organized tours?

 Thanks,
 Richard
 (User:Pharos)
 Wikimedia NYC

 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote:

 No changes, Itzik, see you later!

 2015-07-17 14:31 GMT-05:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
 it...@wikimedia.org.il:

 I saw Ellie, the social activities mentioned on the Wiki (
 https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_Events) are taking
 place as planned. Just check that the meeting time haven't been changed.



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 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
 it...@wikimedia.org.il wrote:
  I registered to the city tour but I didn't got any confirmation or
  information by email.
 
  I tink i remember email where Ellie wrote that the activities are in
 hold,
  but I may miss new updates.

 Just found out that,

 https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_Events/Wiki_takes_antropolog%C3%ADa
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[Wikimania-l] Dietary preferences

[Chris Keating]

I have just registered (yay for registration opening!) but I note on the
registration form:

Dietary preference. Please note, we cannot accommodate Halal or Kosher.

Does this really mean what it says? Presumably people who want halal or
kosher food can safely select the vegetarian option?

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Survey form technical issues

[Chris Keating]

Yes - do check your spam filters.

It's good to see us capturing feedback (did this happen in previous years,
out of interest?)


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 It should have been emailed to you after the conference by ​Jaime Anstee
 (WMF). Maybe it's in spam?

 best,
 Joe

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 On 11 August 2014 12:29, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 When should i get this? Didnt get it yet.
 On Aug 11, 2014 12:27 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

  The survey that has been sent to attendees has a technical issue.

 On the question Which hackathon days did you attend? (Select all that
 apply), it doesn't use checkboxes but radio buttons so you can't
 actually Select all that apply.

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[Wikimania-l] Fwd: Re: Survey form technical issues

[Chris Keating]

Is Stephan Schulz still on his bicycle? He must be getting very tired now.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Stephan Schulz sch...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Date: Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Wikimania-l] Survey form technical issues
To: Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com


Hi!

I’m currently on my bicycle and not able to reply to emails. I’ll
answer most things that are still important when I come back when I come
back.

Yours sincerely,

 Stephan Schulz

On 11 Aug 2014, at 13:48, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes - do check your spam filters.

 It's good to see us capturing feedback (did this happen in previous
years, out of interest?)


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wrote:
 It should have been emailed to you after the conference by Jaime Anstee
(WMF). Maybe it's in spam?

 best,
 Joe

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 When should i get this? Didnt get it yet.
 On Aug 11, 2014 12:27 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
 The survey that has been sent to attendees has a technical issue.

 On the question Which hackathon days did you attend? (Select all that
 apply), it doesn't use checkboxes but radio buttons so you can't
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Underground delays

[Chris Keating]

There are also many road closures in the City (south of the venue) because
of a big charity bike ride.

This affected my bus journey, but dunno how many Wikimaniacs are using the
bus much :)
On 9 Aug 2014 10:07, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:

 A bike is a sure-fire way to miss the delays, yup. ;)

 Joe

 On 9 August 2014 at 10:02:10 am, Stephan Schulz (
 sch...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) wrote:

 Hi!

 I’m currently on my bicycle and not able to reply to emails. I’ll
 answer most things that are still important when I come back when I come
 back.

 Yours sincerely,

 Stephan Schulz

 On 9 Aug 2014, at 10:53, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hey all,
 
  If you’re not yet at the venue, you might want to know about delays
 affecting the Underground this morning.
 
  Circle and Hammersmith  City are suffering severe delays thanks to a
 signal failure.
 
  Minor delays on some of the District and Metropolitan lines for the same
 reason.
 
  Part closures on Piccadilly and Metropolitan lines (which has been the
 case all week).
 
  And, as is customary … “Good service on all other lines” ;)
 
  best,
  Joe
 
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[Wikimania-l] Found - hotel key card

[Chris Keating]

A hotel key card has been found in Auditorium 2.

It will remain here until 6pm then head to lost property. If it's yours
drop by.

Chris
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Found - hotel key card

[Chris Keating]

Thanks Chris. This particular item has been claimed now. :)
On 8 Aug 2014 16:10, Chris McKenna chris.mcke...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 For reference, Barbican lost property is at the Silk Street Reception,
 which is on the left immediately after you enter from Silk Street


 On 8 August 2014 15:28, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:

 A hotel key card has been found in Auditorium 2.

 It will remain here until 6pm then head to lost property. If it's yours
 drop by.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] In your delegate bags, the Wikimedia UK branded disk

[Chris Keating]

No-one is allowed to eat Rock Drum
On 6 Aug 2014 23:39, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 Is this the famous rock that goes together with the drum?


 2014-08-06 22:14 GMT+01:00 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com:

 Please note that the rock supplied is neither a murder mystery or an
 allegory for the inadequacy of Roman Catholic doctrine of sin and
 redemption.

 For that please see [[Brighton Rock (novel)]]
 On 6 Aug 2014 17:18, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear Wikimanians,

 People have asked about the Wikimedia UK branded sweet in the delegate
 bags. It is a traditional British delicacy called rock
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_%28confectionery%29. One of our
 vegetarians has checked and it does not contain either gelatine or
 cochineal or anything else that would make it unacceptable to vegetarians
 or indeed vegans. However dentists and diabetics may be less happy as it is
 rather high in sucrose.


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[Wikimania-l] Wikimaniacs on TV

[Chris Keating]

There was a long segment on Wikipedia / Wikimania on Newsnight last night -
one of the UK's leading current affairs shows.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04d5tgs/newsnight-06082014

From 34.50 there are some interviews at the hackathon then Jimmy

Link will probably only work in the UK.

Chris
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Weather warning,

[Chris Keating]

The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain
On 7 Aug 2014 12:51, risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 /me wonders if someone is going to start a page titled [[The weather in
 London]].

 Risker
 Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
 Sender: wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 12:12:03
 To: Wikimania general list (open subscription)
 wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Reply-To: Wikimania general list \(open subscription\)
 wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Weather warning,

 On 7 August 2014 12:04, Chris McKenna chris.mcke...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:

  Boris buses

 Translation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Routemaster

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania London - Receptions/Parties

[Chris Keating]

So no beach party this year? ??
On 7 Aug 2014 17:27, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 This is just to remind delegates   that there will be the following social
 events WITH FOOD AND DRINK as follows
 here at Wikimania '14 in London:

 Friday Aug 7th  6-7 p.m. Lower Foyer -1  - Opening Reception -Lots of
  Food and Drinks provided!!

 Saturday Aug 9th  6-7 p.m. - Lower Foye -1 - Conference Reception - Lots
 of Food and Drinks provided

 Sunday Aug 10th  6-7 p.m. Closing Party begins with drinks and hor
 d'oeuvres.

 Bon apetit!

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Re: [Wikimania-l] In your delegate bags, the Wikimedia UK branded disk

[Chris Keating]

Please note that the rock supplied is neither a murder mystery or an
allegory for the inadequacy of Roman Catholic doctrine of sin and
redemption.

For that please see [[Brighton Rock (novel)]]
On 6 Aug 2014 17:18, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Dear Wikimanians,

 People have asked about the Wikimedia UK branded sweet in the delegate
 bags. It is a traditional British delicacy called rock
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_%28confectionery%29. One of our
 vegetarians has checked and it does not contain either gelatine or
 cochineal or anything else that would make it unacceptable to vegetarians
 or indeed vegans. However dentists and diabetics may be less happy as it is
 rather high in sucrose.


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Thanks to the stuffers

[Chris Keating]

Is there tupperware in the bags?


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 6:34 PM, WereSpielChequers 
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear all,

 Thanks to the stuffers for stuffing enough delegate bags today for the
 largest ever Wikimania.


 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2014_-_the_bags_are_stuffed.JPG

 As well as a tube map and Wikimania program there were several other
 things in each bag, any guesses please send off list. The best guess gets a
 prize set of four wikipedia beermats.

 Hint. All contents will fit into a cotton bag and none require
 refrigeration or air holes.

 See you all soon

 Regards

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Re: [Wikimania-l] 300-word abstracts@: too much

[Chris Keating]

 Someone who's going to deliver a 25-min lecture should find no difficulty
 writing more than 300 words to give a taster of the lecture. The speaker
 will typically monologue for 17 minutes, which would be about 2000 words
 (assume typical English speeches in Wikimania).


... but the audience will pay attention for 400 words and probably start
checking their emails after 1,000!

Please treat this email as a cry for interactive sessions and not people
reading from a Powerpoint!

Chris :-)
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Question for the WM 2014 London team

[Chris Keating]

H. As far as I can see from
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/visiting/general/requirements/
the
general requirement is to prove a number of things, which are listed below.

I am no expert but it seems to me that the 10,000 USD and a house in Iran
is a suggestion of proving that
a) you have enough money to sustain you for the 6-month period of a tourist
visa
b) you have good reasons to return to Iran after Wikimania

I would hope that there are other ways to demonstrate these things - .e.g.
 suggest that with a letter of invitation it would be possible to argue
that you only need the funds to live for the week of Wikimania.

Though sadly I can't guarantee that the UK Border Agency will be
sensible.

Chris



   - you are 18 or over;
   - you intend to visit the UK for no more than 6 months (or 12 months if
   you will be accompanying an academic visitor);
   - you intend to leave the UK at the end of your visit;
   - you have enough money to support and accommodate yourself without
   working or help from public funds, or you and any dependants will be
   supported and accommodated by relatives or friends;
   - you can meet the cost of the return or onward journey; and
   - you are *not* in transit to a country outside the 'Common Travel Area'
   (Ireland, the UK, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands).

You must also be able to show that, during your visit, you *do not* intend
to:

   - live in the UK for extended periods through frequent or successive
   visits;
   - take paid or unpaid employment, produce goods or provide services,
   including the selling of goods or services directly to members of the
   public;
   - do a course of study, as long as this study is not the main reason for
   your visit (see 'permitted study' below);
   - marry or register a civil partnership, or give notice of marriage or
   civil partnership;
   - carry out the activities of a business
visitorhttp://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/visiting/business/,
   a sports 
visitorhttp://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/visiting/sports/
or
   an entertainer
visitorhttp://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/visiting/entertainer/;
   or
   - receive private medical treatment.



On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Chris,

 I just got a reply:

 Several people who applied for a visa from Iran last year got these
 'verbal' requirements from the UAE/Turkey embassies. These are based on the
 information here


 http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/visiting/general/documents/

 They were told that these requirements are designed to satisfy the
 following clause from the same website:

 The person who is 'sponsoring' your visit cannot give a guarantee that
 you will comply with the terms of your visa, or *that you will leave the
 UK at the end of your visit*.

 They can help you with your application and provide you with the relevant
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 On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hey Chris,

 That was the information relayed to me, I will ask the person who asked
 the question for the source. It maybe be at the UAE/Turkey embassy
 website.


 On Monday, January 13, 2014, Chris Keating wrote:

 Hi Muhammad,

 I was just looking on the UK Border Agency website and could not see any
 mention of 10,000 USD requirements or property ownership. Do you have any
 further info?

 (I appreciate that it will still be difficult for Iranians to get a visa
 even if that isn't the case...)
 On 12 Jan 2014 22:08, Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I received this question about visas for Iranian citizens and am
 passing it along:

 As it stands now, UK visa requirements for Iranian citizens is to have
 a bank account with (on average) 1 USD or equivalent in the last six
 months, plus proof of ownership of a property in Iran, the documents have
 to be translated and notarized.

 Most of the volunteers interested in getting scholarship for WM or
 trying to arrange travel on their own are mostly young people who do not
 satisfy either conditions, is there something that the UK team can do about
 that? can they get confirmation that if they apply these requirements will
 be waived or something similar?

 Thanks!
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Question for the WM 2014 London team

[Chris Keating]

Hi Muhammad,

I was just looking on the UK Border Agency website and could not see any
mention of 10,000 USD requirements or property ownership. Do you have any
further info?

(I appreciate that it will still be difficult for Iranians to get a visa
even if that isn't the case...)
On 12 Jan 2014 22:08, Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I received this question about visas for Iranian citizens and am passing
 it along:

 As it stands now, UK visa requirements for Iranian citizens is to have a
 bank account with (on average) 1 USD or equivalent in the last six
 months, plus proof of ownership of a property in Iran, the documents have
 to be translated and notarized.

 Most of the volunteers interested in getting scholarship for WM or trying
 to arrange travel on their own are mostly young people who do not satisfy
 either conditions, is there something that the UK team can do about that?
 can they get confirmation that if they apply these requirements will be
 waived or something similar?

 Thanks!
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Disneyland

[Chris Keating]

Hi Eugenie,

I do not think any of us had local phones or 3g, so when we met at Central
station as Charles said we could not read your message. Sorry!

Chris

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 4:27 AM, kwaichu so sokwaichu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Should be  94880074
 2013/8/12 上午11:26 於 sokwaichu...@gmail.com 寫道：

 I want to join the peak tour.but can't contact you.can anyone join call me
 by 9488007
 2013/8/12 上午10:44 於 Charles Gregory c...@chuq.net 寫道：

 So far myself and Craig, Chris Keating and Deror.  Meeting at Central
 exit J (inside station). Not sure what time we will finish but I need to be
 on the train to the airport at about 4.30!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 12/08/2013, at 9:39 AM, kwaichu so sokwaichu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am coming to join you at Central tram station at 11am up to the peak.
 so how many of you are going?

 Can I have anyone's HK mobile for contact? mine is 94880074

 Eugenie


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Peter Coti peterc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Victoria Peak is nice, however; do not waste your money on the
 exclusive view of the city. Go into the shopping mall and follow the
 signs and yu will get a very high quality view for free.

 Peter


 On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Charles Gregory c...@chuq.netwrote:

 Hi Deror  everyone,

 Some of us are heading to Victoria Peak - meeting at central station
 at 11am.  Going by your subject line I assume you are trying to hint at
 something else? :)

 Regards,

 Charles


 On Sunday, August 11, 2013, Deror Avi wrote:

 anybody wandering what to do tomorrow ( i.e. monday)?

 deror

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Thank you!!

[Chris Keating]

hear hear!

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 1:43 AM, James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.comwrote:

 Here here. A wonderful conference. Thank you!

 On Monday, August 12, 2013, Joseph Fox wrote:

 I just wanted to say, on behalf of all the attendees this year, a massive
 THANK YOU to all 350 volunteer organisers and Wikimedia Hong Kong for a
 fantastic conference!

 Thanks for everything! :-)

 Joe


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Re: [Wikimania-l] People staying on after Wikimania in Hong Kong?

[Chris Keating]

I have a late flight on Monday (8pm, need to leave for the airport 5pm).

I'm keen to take the ferry across to the island and see The Peak, if anyone
else is interested in doing that tomorrow then shout :)

C

On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Gabriel Thullen gabr...@thullen.comwrote:

 Hi,
 I am leaving Thursday morning. Also planning a trip to Macau.

 Gabe Thullen (WMCH wheelchair user)


 On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Aug 11, 2013 12:18 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello! I'm staying on for an extra week in Hong Kong after Wikimania
  (yay vacations!), and wondering if there are more people staying on I
  could catch up with?
 
 I'm here until Wednesday morning. Thinking of doing a day trip to Macau
 on Tuesday.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Directions to OPening Reception - Sky 100

[Chris Keating]

Where do the shuttle buses depart from, and at what time?

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 For those of you who are not taking the shuttle buses:

 International Commerce Centre-SKY 100 環球貿易廣場-天際100
 香港九龍柯士甸道西1號環球貿易廣場
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[Wikimania-l] Just to clarify

[Chris Keating]

Just to clarify Wikimedia UK's position regarding Wikimania 2014.

So far the Wikimedia UK board has made no decisions and received no
proposals regarding Wikimania 2014 - spending money on it or otherwise.

What we do have is a section in the current draft of the 2013 activity plan
suggesting allocating £40,000 for Wikimania 2014. This draft is currently
up for community consultation before we discuss it at our September board
meeting. As a result of the discussion there we will develop a proposal to
vote on, and whatever is accepted, we will then send to the FDC; how the
FDC will respond, no-one knows. Then when we know the FDC's opinion, we
will have another version, and then when the fundraiser out-turn is known
in January there will be a further iteration before our actual 2013 budget
is finalised. So there is plenty of work left to do on this. What's more,
since our financial year runs from February and bid selection is in April
it's inevitable that most of any budget allocation we make for Wikimania
would be for *after* a successful bid, rather than before it.

While I can understand why this it a topic of interest, I'm not sure there
is any need to get worked up about it. We make a conscious effort to do our
planning as openly as possible, and share early drafts of documents with
the community for input. We are also unable to reject proposals that have
not yet been made. Please think carefully about whether shouting at us as a
result is a good idea ;-)

Personally I hope that we end up with a very strong, volunteer-led, London
bid which will be successful and that Wikimedia UK will be able to support
Wikimania 2014 in every way possible - but there is still a very long way
to go yet.

Many thanks,

Chris Keating
(User:The Land)
Chair, Wikimedia UK
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