Thinking about it, drawing lots might not be the silliest idea in the universe.
After all, ability to write a great application is at best a rough proxy for actual impact. Why not have a less granular system that filters out the "clear No"s and then allocate the remaining places by ballot, taking into account the demographics/projects that need to be represented? Chris On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 4:19 PM, DerHexer <[email protected]> wrote: > That's true: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Wikimania_scholars/Reviewer%27s_guide#Score_adjustment_for_previous_scholars > (that this is not the perfect system is well known to everyone in the > committee which, as Mardetanha said, changes every year—it's still very hard > to implement a process which does not favor these who are used to write good > applications if we don't draw lots). > > We had to start the scholarship processes at some point due to visa > regulations, unfortunately before the program team could finish their > process. For that reason, the scholarship committee proposed to save some > money for people who could not hold their presentations without a > scholarship. But in the end, it's the WMF who thankfully manages all the > outcomes and the jury only evalutes the applications at some point. > > Best, > Martin/DerHexer > > > ________________________________ > Von: Sjoerd de Bruin <[email protected]> > An: Wikimania general list (open subscription) > <[email protected]> > Gesendet: 17:15 Freitag, 1.Juni 2018 > Betreff: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1 > > I think that is already included in scholarship applications, if I remember > correctly. > > Greetings, > > Sjoerd de Bruin > > Op 1 jun. 2018, om 17:06 heeft Julie Workman <[email protected]> het > volgende geschreven: > > Is there at present any metric by which previous scholarship attendees are > judged on their dissemination of Wikimania experiences after the conference? > The complaint being brought up is not only about awardees getting repeat > scholarships, but failing to enrich their communities afterwards with what > they learned / what it was like / who they met / what they will do now. With > a limited number of scholarships available, it is true that the attendees > are expected to share their good fortune with those who couldn't attend. > > If nothing like that is in place, could it not be added? For example, a > field on the application: "were you awarded a scholarship last year (and > attended)?" "If yes, please describe (and provide links where possible) to > the activities and discussions you organised with your community regarding > your experience at Wikimania". If a sufficiently good and detailed response > is not provided, the application can receive a lower score (or possibly be > discarded...? I'm not au fait with the process). > > Julia W > > On 1 June 2018 at 13:00, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Send Wikimania-l mailing list submissions to > [email protected]. org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/ mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikimania-l-request@lists. wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimania-l-owner@lists. wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikimania-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Update on Wikimania '18 (Pine W) > 2. Re: Update on Wikimania '18 (cs) > > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ---------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 18:31:08 -0700 > From: Pine W <[email protected]> > To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" > <[email protected]. org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Update on Wikimania '18 > Message-ID: > <CAF= dyJinVGV5eM7vBi7SFDLcqyLP4yakD [email protected]. > com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter > the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF > presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a > one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and > have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens > with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of > financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system > is a perennial point of friction. > > Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review > of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With > WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers > spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would > make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to > synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring > that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time > that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship > system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for > scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't > envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that > some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF > strategic plan and with SMART goals. > > Pine > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/User:Pine ) > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the >> other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on >> scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board >> members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same >> old >> faces year in, year out. >> >> Harry Mitchell >> http://enwp.org/User:HJ >> +44 (0) 7507 536 971 >> Skype: harry_j_mitchell >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/ pipermail/wikimania-l/ > attachments/20180531/42687ccd/ attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:58:35 +0700 > From: cs <[email protected]> > To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" > <[email protected]. org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Update on Wikimania '18 > Message-ID: <28D68047-E5DC-4B96-BF0C- [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have attended several Wikimanias. > I would have thought that with the Wikipedias being voluntary > contributed and managed projects, that the conference shoud have a sharp > focus on attendance and presentations by the communities. > However, this is not the case. Presentation time is, IMO, excessively > allocated to various speakers from the salaried staff. > This has been brought up on several occasions. > In some instances, some presentations have had almost duplicate content. > Many Foundations take on a promotional aspect of the WMF’s work. > The credit for the entire movement should go to the community > volunteers. > > Kudpung > >> On 01, Jun2018, at 08:31, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter >> the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF >> presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a >> one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and >> have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens with >> Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of financial >> cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system is a >> perennial point of friction. >> >> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review >> of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With >> WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers >> spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would >> make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to synchronize >> with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring that there are >> SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time that goes into >> Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship system could be >> reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for scholarships and how to >> align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't envision reducing funding for >> Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that some re-thinking and evaluation >> would be good to align funding with the WMF strategic plan and with SMART >> goals. >> >> Pine >> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/User:Pine <https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> wiki/User:Pine> ) >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the >> other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on >> scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board >> members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old >> faces year in, year out. >> >> Harry Mitchell >> http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ> >> +44 (0) 7507 536 971 >> Skype: harry_j_mitchell >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected]. org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/ mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/ pipermail/wikimania-l/ > attachments/20180601/da922580/ attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ______________________________ _________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected]. org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/ mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1 > ****************************** ************* > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
