Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention
Thanks for the notice about this discussion. I knew it was to be a part of the new privacy policy, but I wasn't aware of the talk page. On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: We already went through a similar discussion two and a half years ago, when the WMF planned to make all OTRS agents re-identify to them by sending a copy (or a scan) of their ID to a secure e-mail address (or by using another option provided). This isn't 100% correct. The idea was to have agents who had not already identified do so, since OTRS agents have access to a massive amount of non-public information. For those interested in the result, it was posting a public list of OTRS agent usernames on meta. There is no current requirement for agents to ID. not wearing OTRS admin hat, just sayin' -- ~Keegan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: Keegan Peterzell wrote: This isn't 100% correct. �The idea was to have agents who had not already identified do so, since OTRS agents have access to a massive amount of non-public information. �For those interested in the result, it was posting a public list of OTRS agent usernames on meta. �There is no current requirement for agents to ID. Not really. The discussion on the OTRS wiki clearly states that the intention was for all OTRS volunteers to [be] identified just like CheckUsers, Oversights, and Stewards in accordance with the non-public data and privacy policies. which, at that time required people to satisfactorily identify themselves to the Foundation (and they still do), which in effect means that they need to send a copy of their ID to the WMF. The discussion, as I was clarifying, was about requiring agents that had not Identified to do so. There was no re-identifying require, which is th point that I was making. The posting of a public list of OTRS agents usernames was result of an entirely different discussion, which was only started in January 2013; the one I was referring to took place in February 2011 (and later on). The two are related. Both measures seek transparency, one to the WMF and one to the community. The fact that the community side has worked is interesting when there is pushback to private transparency. -- ~Keegan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Yes a problem I have encountered too and very annoying. Newbies really appreciate it. Jon On 15 October 2013 08:58, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.comwrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention
Keegan Peterzell wrote: The discussion, as I was clarifying, was about requiring agents that had not Identified to do so. There was no re-identifying require, which is th point that I was making. Oh yes, that's right. Thanks for the clarification, Keegan; I'm sorry about the confusion. The two are related. Both measures seek transparency, one to the WMF and one to the community. The fact that the community side has worked is interesting when there is pushback to private transparency. The community side, as you call it, has received its share of comments, criticism, and suggestions from OTRS volunteers when the issue was brought to their (our) attention. There have been many voices opposing the publication or at least concerned about the possible implications of the change, just as there are some voices expressing concerns about the apparent lack of details and deeper thought behind some parts of the policy. I don't think this is something new or interesting per se; people usually tend to ask tough questions when it comes to their privacy, and I can only hope we will be able to work out the details, and that the WMF will be able to respond to people's concerns. Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Thanks, but newbies shouldn't have to do all that - it should sit there as an option. On 15 October 2013 09:34, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: Under Preferences Editing Enable VisualEditor (only in the mainhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_namespace and user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_namespace namespaces) will do it iirc. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Yes a problem I have encountered too and very annoying. Newbies really appreciate it. Jon On 15 October 2013 08:58, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Thanks, but newbies shouldn't have to do all that - it should sit there as an option. The same can be argued for the many other features that can be found in your preferences. No reason to see that as a downside, but a chance to cover that in the intro training explaining that many features and additional options can be found under your preferences and for example we will enable Visual Editor. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention
Keegan Peterzell, 15/10/2013 10:24: The two are related. Both measures seek transparency, one to the WMF and one to the community. The fact that the community side has worked is interesting when there is pushback to private transparency. This is an interesting point, thanks for making it. I would never have considered the identification via private means something relating to transparency, but it's clear that – as you say – people are more likely to accept a transparency which benefits the public. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Education mailing list educat...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Education mailing list educat...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Richard Nevell
Re: [Wikimedia-l] My vision for WMF and the movement
Hi Ting, On Oct 9, 2013 3:22 PM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: Hello dear all, the following was one of t'he documents I created for my ED application. It took me quite some time to create it and thus it was clear for me at the beginning that I would publish it at some time point. I struggled a long time with myself though about when to publish it. I didn't want to publish it as long as I was an aspirant for the position since this seems to me to be unfair to the other candidates. And now that I am out of the run I think it is a good time to do this. Many of you may find your own ideas reflected in it. I think it is not surprising that ideas doesn't come from nowhere but from the interaction of people with each other. I want to thank you all for the thoughts you published here or elsewhere (like on Wikimania or on meta). I didn't change the wording of the text and I know it is quite inappropriate for this forum. And as I said before, since I am out of competition it is quite outdated, what makes it bit of embarrassing. I appologize for that. Sorry to hear your update about ED pursuit. Thanks for sharing your position/vision document. I feel your ideas will certainly be used in shaping movement future. Cheers Arjuna Rao Chavala ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Education mailing list educat...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE? 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___
Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention
This is directed at the Wikimedia legal team, whom I have cc'd: Even though the pace of contributions to the discussion page of the policy has picked up in the last couple of days, no one from the legal team has commented in about a month. I think it would help the discussion if the legal team would engage while members of the community are also engaged, so that it is truly a discussion and not people talking past each other at different moments in time. Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention
Hi Nathan, My apologies for the delay. We will begin responding asap. -Michelle On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: This is directed at the Wikimedia legal team, whom I have cc'd: Even though the pace of contributions to the discussion page of the policy has picked up in the last couple of days, no one from the legal team has commented in about a month. I think it would help the discussion if the legal team would engage while members of the community are also engaged, so that it is truly a discussion and not people talking past each other at different moments in time. Nathan -- Michelle Paulson Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 mpaul...@wikimedia.org 415.839.6885 ext. 6608 (Office) 415.882.0495 (Fax) NOTICE: *This message might have confidential or legally privileged information in it. If you have received this message by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. For legal reasons, I may only serve as an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation. This means I may not give legal advice to or serve as a lawyer for community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Before Visual Editor was invented, we complained about people starting editing right away and making mistakes. I'm not sure this is a completely tool-linked issue ;-) A. On 15 October 2013 18:42, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Osterberg sosterb...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE? 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor
On 15 October 2013 00:58, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.comwrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Charles, Is this because of the browser they are using, the wiki they are trying to edit on, or specific to their account? Which wiki are you talking about this happening on? There was a configuration that we used in June for just over a week to A/B test VisualEditor, but that code is no longer around, so this should not be happening. However, users of Internet Explorer and some marginal or old browsers cannot use VisualEditor yet as we have not been able to get it to work there, which may explain the issue? Yours, -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
This is very true; there is a gap between what (most) beginners like to do and what would be wise to do. Some education colleagues told me that their beginners never wanted to edit elsewhere than on the real Wikipedia, not on an educational wiki. That beginners what to write an article of their own as the first thing, and are not interested in free knowledge, free licenses etc. I compare that to someone who wants to get a drivers license. Riding on the highway, that's great, but learning for the theoretical exam, few are eager to. :-) Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Osterberg sosterb...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE? 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster! /sarcasm Chris ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Letters of Intent for FDC Round 2 due Nov 8, and community review right now!
Dear members of the Wikimedia community, I write to remind Wikimedia-affiliated entities interested in submitting an annual plan grant proposal to the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) in Round 2 2013-2014 that they must first submit a Letter of Intent (LOI). The Letter of Intent is the first step in applying for funds from the FDC, as outlined in the FDC Framework. [1] This step has been implemented as part of the improvements for 2013-2014. In Round 1 of this year, it helped the FDC staff to work closely with interested applicants ahead of eligibility and proposal deadlines. Entities interested in applying for funding in Round 2 must submit an Letter of Intent before submitting a proposal. For Round 2 of 2013-2014, the LOI is due on November 8. The LOI asks potential FDC applicants to state their intentions to apply and to include a notional dollar figure (or local currency figure). The LOI can be created on the FDC portal [2], and a sample is here for your reference. [3] The LOI is non-binding, but it is required. Milestones from Round 2 can be found on the portal [4] and below: * Letter of Intent deadline: 8 November 2013 * Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 December 2013 * Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 February 2014 * Proposal submission deadline: 1 March 2014 * Community review period: 1 March 2014 - 31 March 2014 * Staff assessment deadline: 8 April 2014 * FDC recommendation due: 1 May 2014 * Board decision due: 1 June 2014 Also, I want to bring to your attention the current Round 1 community review process for the eleven Round 1 proposals just submitted to the FDC. We ask you, members of the community, to share your thoughts and questions on the Discussion pages of the submitted proposals! [5] Have any questions or comments? Reach out to us at: fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org. The FDC staff is here to help you understand and navigate the process! Cheers, Katy Love and the FDC support team [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal#fdc-portal-start [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Timeline#2013-2014_Round_2 [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/Community/Review ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Letters of Intent for FDC Round 2 due Nov 8, and community review right now!
Thanks for the update! Just to be clear - after ducking the FDC process for 2013/2014, this will be the round where the WMF will apply for funding of what it considers 'non-core' programs, correct? (There was some confusion over that in the round earlier this year, so trying to make sure I'm still up to date on the latest state of affairs) Thanks, Lodewijk 2013/10/15 Katy Love kl...@wikimedia.org Dear members of the Wikimedia community, I write to remind Wikimedia-affiliated entities interested in submitting an annual plan grant proposal to the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) in Round 2 2013-2014 that they must first submit a Letter of Intent (LOI). The Letter of Intent is the first step in applying for funds from the FDC, as outlined in the FDC Framework. [1] This step has been implemented as part of the improvements for 2013-2014. In Round 1 of this year, it helped the FDC staff to work closely with interested applicants ahead of eligibility and proposal deadlines. Entities interested in applying for funding in Round 2 must submit an Letter of Intent before submitting a proposal. For Round 2 of 2013-2014, the LOI is due on November 8. The LOI asks potential FDC applicants to state their intentions to apply and to include a notional dollar figure (or local currency figure). The LOI can be created on the FDC portal [2], and a sample is here for your reference. [3] The LOI is non-binding, but it is required. Milestones from Round 2 can be found on the portal [4] and below: * Letter of Intent deadline: 8 November 2013 * Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 December 2013 * Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 February 2014 * Proposal submission deadline: 1 March 2014 * Community review period: 1 March 2014 - 31 March 2014 * Staff assessment deadline: 8 April 2014 * FDC recommendation due: 1 May 2014 * Board decision due: 1 June 2014 Also, I want to bring to your attention the current Round 1 community review process for the eleven Round 1 proposals just submitted to the FDC. We ask you, members of the community, to share your thoughts and questions on the Discussion pages of the submitted proposals! [5] Have any questions or comments? Reach out to us at: fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org. The FDC staff is here to help you understand and navigate the process! Cheers, Katy Love and the FDC support team [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal#fdc-portal-start [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Timeline#2013-2014_Round_2 [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/Community/Review ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Letters of Intent for FDC Round 2 due Nov 8, and community review right now!
Hi Lodewijk, Thanks for asking. The FDC and WMF are currently in conversation about exactly what this looks like - so stay tuned for the details :-) - but yes, in principle, WMF will be submitting its proposal to the FDC in Round 2 of the process (for the annual plan 2014-15). Anasuya On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: Thanks for the update! Just to be clear - after ducking the FDC process for 2013/2014, this will be the round where the WMF will apply for funding of what it considers 'non-core' programs, correct? (There was some confusion over that in the round earlier this year, so trying to make sure I'm still up to date on the latest state of affairs) Thanks, Lodewijk 2013/10/15 Katy Love kl...@wikimedia.org Dear members of the Wikimedia community, I write to remind Wikimedia-affiliated entities interested in submitting an annual plan grant proposal to the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) in Round 2 2013-2014 that they must first submit a Letter of Intent (LOI). The Letter of Intent is the first step in applying for funds from the FDC, as outlined in the FDC Framework. [1] This step has been implemented as part of the improvements for 2013-2014. In Round 1 of this year, it helped the FDC staff to work closely with interested applicants ahead of eligibility and proposal deadlines. Entities interested in applying for funding in Round 2 must submit an Letter of Intent before submitting a proposal. For Round 2 of 2013-2014, the LOI is due on November 8. The LOI asks potential FDC applicants to state their intentions to apply and to include a notional dollar figure (or local currency figure). The LOI can be created on the FDC portal [2], and a sample is here for your reference. [3] The LOI is non-binding, but it is required. Milestones from Round 2 can be found on the portal [4] and below: * Letter of Intent deadline: 8 November 2013 * Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 December 2013 * Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 February 2014 * Proposal submission deadline: 1 March 2014 * Community review period: 1 March 2014 - 31 March 2014 * Staff assessment deadline: 8 April 2014 * FDC recommendation due: 1 May 2014 * Board decision due: 1 June 2014 Also, I want to bring to your attention the current Round 1 community review process for the eleven Round 1 proposals just submitted to the FDC. We ask you, members of the community, to share your thoughts and questions on the Discussion pages of the submitted proposals! [5] Have any questions or comments? Reach out to us at: fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org. The FDC staff is here to help you understand and navigate the process! Cheers, Katy Love and the FDC support team [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal#fdc-portal-start [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Timeline#2013-2014_Round_2 [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/Community/Review ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- ***Anasuya Sengupta Senior Director of Grantmaking Wikimedia Foundation* * * Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! Support Wikimedia https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a deserted ground? Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have noticed. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster! /sarcasm Chris ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Treasurer, Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter todayhttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
You're correct Srikanth; I'd like to think that VisualEditor will be the entry editing interface of the future, but it's still not stable enough and is missing too many features to be ideal for new editors. It is, however, getting better every time I use it, so it is inching closer incrementally. Today I successfully completed an edit using VE that I know for a fact would have broken the page back in July, so progress is being made. When I worked with a group of new editors back in August, they universally reverted to using Wikitext because it had easy-to-use referencing and editing tools, only some of which are now incorporated into VE, but I have faith that these will be folded in as time goes on. It should be noted, however, that almost every single bug reported in relation to VE occurred with experienced editors who had the skill to report it, or to at least figure out how to undo the edit. Those that occurred with new editors were not reported unless an experienced editor reviewed it and then tried to replicate it and figure out what went wrong. It was this situation that led to showdowns on the English Wikipedia, more so than just about anything else. Well, that, and making it the production editing interface without even testing major features. I cannot speak to the experience on projects outside of English Wikipedia, but I dearly hope that things are going more smoothly on other projects that have not decided to remove themselves from participation in the testing. Risker On 16 October 2013 01:08, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.inwrote: Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a deserted ground? Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have noticed. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster! /sarcasm Chris ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Treasurer, Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
