Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

[Quim Gil]

Hi Andy,

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:04 AM, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> Referring to "misbehaviour" in this context is extremely offensive; the
> initial use of superprotect was not a response to "misbehaviour".
>

Changed for the more precise and descriptive term "irregular edits":
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=WMF_product_development_process%2F2015-11-05&type=revision&diff=1935550&oldid=1935526
.

On the "extremely offensive" part, let me explain why I typed "misbehavior"
without aiming to offend anyone. That paragraph refers to a future context
defined by the new development process. That sentence refers to a potential
situation where the process has been followed and someone blocks it using
their admin permissions. What the sentence wants to say is that, even if
someone thinks such action is misbehavior, the solution is to let the
admins handle the situation, not to use a tool controlled exclusively by
the WMF. I'm sure we agree with this principle.

I wasn't trying to judge past events. It is the job of the administrators
to judge whether an edit in a page editable only by admins is appropriate
or not.

PS: if you find room for improvement in the Q&A, you can comment in the
Talk page, or edit directly. Wiki business as usual.

-- 
Quim Gil
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http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

[Ziko van Dijk]

Thanks for the explanations. I always thought of the Superprotect
function as a technical way to react in a social-legal space of
tension. A discussion about the technical function is much less
interesting than about the real issue, of how to improve the MediaWiki
software with regard to the different needs of different actors
(readers, contributors, maybe others).

Andy, would you mind to explain what to mean exactly with "offensive"?

Kind regards
Ziko




2015-11-09 0:04 GMT+01:00 Andy Mabbett :
> On Nov 8, 2015 9:34 PM, "Quim Gil"  wrote:
>
>> the Q&A included more details:
>>
>>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#When_has_been_Superprotect_used.3F
>>
>> The main reason to act upon Superprotect now is the updated product
>> development process
>>  in the
>> drafts, which we want to discuss and agree with the communities. This new
>> process should make Superprotect unnecessary; removing it upfront was a
>> logical step.
>>
>> I have added these points in the Q&A:
>>
>> Why is Superprotect being removed?
>>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#Why_is_Superprotect_being_removed.3F
>>
>> Why is the WMF doing this now?
>>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#Why_is_the_WMF_doing_this_now.3F
>>
>> I hope this clarifies that sentence.
>
> Referring to "misbehaviour" in this context is extremely offensive; the
> initial use of superprotect was not a response to "misbehaviour".
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

[Andy Mabbett]

On Nov 8, 2015 9:34 PM, "Quim Gil"  wrote:

> the Q&A included more details:
>
>
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#When_has_been_Superprotect_used.3F
>
> The main reason to act upon Superprotect now is the updated product
> development process
>  in the
> drafts, which we want to discuss and agree with the communities. This new
> process should make Superprotect unnecessary; removing it upfront was a
> logical step.
>
> I have added these points in the Q&A:
>
> Why is Superprotect being removed?
>
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#Why_is_Superprotect_being_removed.3F
>
> Why is the WMF doing this now?
>
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#Why_is_the_WMF_doing_this_now.3F
>
> I hope this clarifies that sentence.

Referring to "misbehaviour" in this context is extremely offensive; the
initial use of superprotect was not a response to "misbehaviour".
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

[Quim Gil]

Hi pi zero,

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:04 PM, pi zero  wrote:

> it wasn't removed because it shouldn't have been imposed in
> the first place, but merely because it wasn't used.


I'm sorry if my wording could suggest this interpretation. I just wanted to
provide basic information about Superprotect to the many people that have
heard about it but in fact didn't know much about its use today. This is
also why the Q&A included more details:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#When_has_been_Superprotect_used.3F

The main reason to act upon Superprotect now is the updated product
development process
 in the
drafts, which we want to discuss and agree with the communities. This new
process should make Superprotect unnecessary; removing it upfront was a
logical step.

I have added these points in the Q&A:

Why is Superprotect being removed?
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#Why_is_Superprotect_being_removed.3F

Why is the WMF doing this now?
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#Why_is_the_WMF_doing_this_now.3F

I hope this clarifies that sentence.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:04 AM, pi zero  wrote:

>   In
> other words, it wasn't removed because it shouldn't have been imposed in
> the first place, but merely because it wasn't used.  Is it good that it was
> removed?  Sure, it's better to have had it removed than not.  But it's a
> cheap token gesture.
>
>
I think you're adding meanings to where they are not present. The reasons
for SP removal are not that it wasn't used. And just the fact that it
wasn't used is irrelevant: there have been views that SP could be useful
potentially in the future, etc., so that it should stay just in case.

I have been involved in a series of meaningful conversations with Lila and
WMF staff, and we all eventually came to an agreement that any potential
theoretical benefits do not prevail over the symbolic damage the very
existence of this tool (not just its use) inflicts. My understanding is
that this is the main reason for SP removal, not the fact that it was not
used.

best,

dariusz "pundit"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

[pi zero]

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Neil Harris  wrote:

> That's fantastic, represents a huge vote of confidence for the Wiki Way,
> and is a big move towards improving the relationship between the WMF and
> the community.
>

Just to keep things in perspective: the removal of superprotect (which is,
granted, not the only action described) is a rather minor and only mildly
positive step.  Compare it to what should have happened: superprotect
*should* have been removed a year ago along with a profuse apology
acknowledging that it should never have been imposed in the first place.
Instead, it's removed a year later with the remark that "We have not used
it for resolving a dispute since. Consequently, today we are removing
Superprotect from Wikimedia servers" (05/11/15 17:35, Quim Gil wrote).  In
other words, it wasn't removed because it shouldn't have been imposed in
the first place, but merely because it wasn't used.  Is it good that it was
removed?  Sure, it's better to have had it removed than not.  But it's a
cheap token gesture.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Why not using a existing survey tool like limesurvey?

I am wondering if we need all this surveys...

> From: p858sn...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 19:31:43 +1000
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
> 
> E:QuickSurvey is currently under development by the WMF for this.
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 November 2015 at 18:52, Steinsplitter Wiki  > wrote:
> 
> > Some thoughts:
> > Pete, Thanks for bringing this up here and taking action on meta. I was
> > concerned seeing the link to a commercial company in the central notice
> > banner.
> >
> > I am wondering why the wmf can't set up a own survey. For example using
> > https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ (
> > https://www.limesurvey.org/en/about-limesurvey/license)
> >
> > To protect users privacy third party services shouldn't be used,
> > especially in central noticed.
> >
> > It would be worth knowing if the wmf needs to pay for that survey stuff.
> >
> > I am also wondering what's the benefit of this survey, but that's a other
> > question...
> >
> > Best,
> > :-)
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:09:06 -0800
> > > From: petefors...@gmail.com
> > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
> > >
> > > This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
> > > morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
> > > Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
> > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> > >
> > > -Pete
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Itzik,
> > > >
> > > > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
> > > > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to
> > the
> > > > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access
> > to
> > > > that if they wanted to read it.
> > > >
> > > > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].
> > It
> > > > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​
> > > > >
> > > > > Mardetanha
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> > > > notify
> > > > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> > > > click
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> > > > aspect
> > > > > > here).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Bence
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online
> > harassment on
> > > > > > > Wikimedia projects.
> > > > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
> > that's
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in
> > GLAM
> > > > and
> > > > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > > > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
> > their
> > > > > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
> > > > related
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > > > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
> > share in
> > > > > the
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

[K. Peachey]

E:QuickSurvey is currently under development by the WMF for this.



On 8 November 2015 at 18:52, Steinsplitter Wiki  wrote:

> Some thoughts:
> Pete, Thanks for bringing this up here and taking action on meta. I was
> concerned seeing the link to a commercial company in the central notice
> banner.
>
> I am wondering why the wmf can't set up a own survey. For example using
> https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ (
> https://www.limesurvey.org/en/about-limesurvey/license)
>
> To protect users privacy third party services shouldn't be used,
> especially in central noticed.
>
> It would be worth knowing if the wmf needs to pay for that survey stuff.
>
> I am also wondering what's the benefit of this survey, but that's a other
> question...
>
> Best,
> :-)
>
> > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:09:06 -0800
> > From: petefors...@gmail.com
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
> >
> > This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
> > morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
> > Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> >
> > -Pete
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Itzik,
> > >
> > > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
> > > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to
> the
> > > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access
> to
> > > that if they wanted to read it.
> > >
> > > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].
> It
> > > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > ​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​
> > > >
> > > > Mardetanha
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> > > notify
> > > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> > > click
> > > > on
> > > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> > > aspect
> > > > > here).
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Bence
> > > > >
> > > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > > :
> > > > >
> > > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online
> harassment on
> > > > > > Wikimedia projects.
> > > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
> that's
> > > > the
> > > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in
> GLAM
> > > and
> > > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
> their
> > > > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
> > > related
> > > > > to
> > > > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
> share in
> > > > the
> > > > > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

[rupert THURNER]

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
>
>> It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the
>> company, for various reasons.
>>
>
> Ziko,
>
> This is true, of course; but it does not address what is under discussion
> here.
>
> It is also normal for partnership agreements to include specifications of
> how those mentions are carried out to meet certain objectives, while also
> avoiding problems for both parties. With nearly every one of my clients,
> this is specified by either an informal or a formal contract, prior to the
> announcement or commencement of the project.
>
> Regrettably, it is also rather normal for the Wikimedia Foundation to pay
> insufficient attention to such arrangements. This leaves volunteers in the
> position of cleaning up the mess, and sometimes, of playing the role of the
> "bad guy" whose image suffers from telling somebody that they can't have
> what they want.

since when wikipedia needs to use some arbitrary 3rd party company to
conduct a simple survey? i'd consider it a core competency of a social
website like wikipedia to allow finding out the opinion and a
consensus of contributors and readers, anonymous and not anonymous.

rupert

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Some thoughts:
Pete, Thanks for bringing this up here and taking action on meta. I was 
concerned seeing the link to a commercial company in the central notice banner.

I am wondering why the wmf can't set up a own survey. For example using 
https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ 
(https://www.limesurvey.org/en/about-limesurvey/license)

To protect users privacy third party services shouldn't be used, especially in 
central noticed.

It would be worth knowing if the wmf needs to pay for that survey stuff.

I am also wondering what's the benefit of this survey, but that's a other 
question...

Best,
:-)

> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:09:06 -0800
> From: petefors...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
> 
> This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
> morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
> Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> 
> -Pete
> 
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Itzik,
> >
> > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
> > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to the
> > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to
> > that if they wanted to read it.
> >
> > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].  It
> > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > ​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​
> > >
> > > Mardetanha
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> > notify
> > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> > click
> > > on
> > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> > aspect
> > > > here).
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Bence
> > > >
> > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on
> > > > > Wikimedia projects.
> > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's
> > > the
> > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM
> > and
> > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> > > > >
> > > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their
> > > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
> > related
> > > > to
> > > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

[Itzik - Wikimedia Israel]

Ziko, I agree. But we are using Qualtrics since 2011, and we never had a
link to their website in such way. What has changed?



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On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the
> company, for various reasons.
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
> 2015-11-07 22:36 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> it...@wikimedia.org.il>:
> > Thank you, I responded also there. I found the link to their full website
> > (where the privacy doc is hosted) still problematic, as the page also
> > include bold and many links to uses their (commercial) services. This is
> > totally not ok from my POV. Better to host the privacy doc on Wiki (or a
> > different version), and to mention there that we are using 3rd party
> system.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Pete Forsyth 
> wrote:
> >
> >> This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
> >> morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
> >> Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
> >>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> >>
> >> -Pete
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Itzik,
> >> >
> >> > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when
> a
> >> > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to
> >> the
> >> > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access
> to
> >> > that if they wanted to read it.
> >> >
> >> > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion
> [1].  It
> >> > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [1]
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha  >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
> >> > >
> >> > > Mardetanha
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> >> > notify
> >> > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> >> > click
> >> > > on
> >> > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> >> > aspect
> >> > > > here).
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best regards,
> >> > > > Bence
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> >> > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> >> > > > :
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online
> harassment
> >> on
> >> > > > > Wikimedia projects.
> >> > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
> >> that's
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in
> GLAM
> >> > and
> >> > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> >> > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
> >> their
> >> > > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
> >> > related
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind
> it.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thank you.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
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> share
> >> in
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