Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

[James Heilman]

We all agree NC licenses are poor. The WMF position was a reflection of the
community's position at the time and this likely remains the community's
position today.

If we as a movement however were to decide we want to allow NC video such
that we can use Khan academy and Ted talks I doubt the WMF would veto it.
We do count as non commercial. It would however decrease the incentive for
these groups to drop NC but they are unlikely to regardless.

Not sure if the strategy process is considering this specific question.

On Mon, May 20, 2019, 09:41 Mister Thrapostibongles <
thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:

> James
>
> > Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not the foundation but our
> movement
> > that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow
> > commercial reuse.
> >
>
> That doesn't seem quite right.  The Foundation Board adopted a resolution
> on 23 March 2007,  which is published at
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy and
> cross-referred to on Wikipedia as still current, headed
>
> > This policy is approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> > .
> > It may not be circumvented, eroded, or ignored by Wikimedia Foundation
> > officers or staff nor local policies of any Wikimedia project
> > .
>
>
> and statng
>
>- All projects are expected to host only content which is under a Free
>Content License, or which is otherwise free as recognized by the
>'Definition of Free Cultural Works' as referenced above.
>
> So it seems to me that it is the Foundation not the movement that controls
> the licensing.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

[Mister Thrapostibongles]

James

> Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not the foundation but our movement
> that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow
> commercial reuse.
>

That doesn't seem quite right.  The Foundation Board adopted a resolution
on 23 March 2007,  which is published at
https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy and
cross-referred to on Wikipedia as still current, headed

> This policy is approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> .
> It may not be circumvented, eroded, or ignored by Wikimedia Foundation
> officers or staff nor local policies of any Wikimedia project
> .


and statng

   - All projects are expected to host only content which is under a Free
   Content License, or which is otherwise free as recognized by the
   'Definition of Free Cultural Works' as referenced above.

So it seems to me that it is the Foundation not the movement that controls
the licensing.

Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Tchad

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

Welcome on board, Chade! :D

Paulo

KuboF Hromoslav  escreveu no dia domingo,
19/05/2019 à(s) 15:33:

> Great to have you here, Chadians!
>
> KuboF Hromoslav
> Esperanto and Free Knowledge
>
> Dňa so, 18. máj 2019 17:46 Kirill Lokshin 
> napísal(a):
>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
>> [1] Wikimedia Community User Group Tchad [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The
>> group aims to promote use of the Wikimedia projects by people in Chad, to
>> act as a hub for Chadian Wikimedians and as a voice for the Chadian
>> Wikimedia community, and to organize conferences, meetings, in workshops in
>> Chad.
>>
>> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kirill Lokshin
>> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>>
>> [1]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Community_User_group_Tchad
>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Tchad
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

[Lane Rasberry]

In 2009 Creative Commons published "Defining Noncommercial", a 250-page
report presenting survey data on what people consider to be
"noncommercial". There is a copy of the report at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_NonCommercial_license

My summary of that report is that no one knows or cares what noncommercial
means, except that it is better than completely closed but still should not
be called free or open media. the majority of media using any CC license
has an NC license. Creative Commons advises that they do not know how to
define "noncommercial", and neither does anyone else. No one has any intent
to clarify the situation. Creators and consumers demand the ambiguity as a
feature. In practice, content creators imagine whatever they like when they
apply the license to their work, and remixers imagine whatever they like
when they reuse the work. The differences in imagination never get
reconciled or checked, and typically no one cares.

There is no organization anywhere which has ever given a reasonable or
thoughtful explanation for why they use NC licenses, where their concept
matches any common understanding of what an NC license actually does.

Creative Commons calls NC licenses "non-free", which I think is a great
place to start any conversation about them.

If anyone knows of an reasonable essay or statement justifying the use of
these licenses then please share on the article's talk page.

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 6:17 AM James Heilman  wrote:

> Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not the foundation but our movement
> that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow
> commercial reuse.
>
> By the way EN WP also allows fair use of certain images which may not
> permit commercial reuse in certain jurisdictions.
>
> James
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 11:48 AM Mister Thrapostibongles <
> thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yury
> >
> > I'm not quite sure what you mean here.  Firstly, this isn't the right
> venue
> > for a discussion of the general principle of non-commercial licensing,
> > especially as the Foundation has decided on the use of licences that
> permit
> > commercial reuse.  And secondly, there's nothing to prevent a rights
> owner
> > from granting a full/libre licence if they want to for the works they
> own:
> > so why would one need to advocate for it, here or anywhere else?
> >
> > Thrapostibongles
> >
> > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:42 AM Yury Bulka <
> > setthemf...@privacyrequired.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > Just stumbled upon an page where Swiss collecting society SUISA lists
> > > things which they consider commercial use within CC NC licenses, as
> > > applied to works they have copyright on (delegated from authors who are
> > > their members). It's quite interesting and I think it is a very good
> > > example for advocating for fully free/libre licensing of works.
> > >
> > > Here's the page:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.suisa.ch/en/members/authors/how-to-register-a-work/creative-commons.html
> > >
> > > The list of uses that they consider commercial use is quite
> > > interesting. For instance, it includes things like:
> > >
> > > - involving a counterpart, of a financial or other nature, regardless
> of
> > > the beneficiary, title or grounds;
> > > - in exchange for other goods, whether or not the exchange generates
> > >   direct or indirect revenues or gives rise to a payment of any nature
> > >   whatsoever;
> > > - at places of work;
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Yury.
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Tchad

[KuboF Hromoslav]

Great to have you here, Chadians!

KuboF Hromoslav
Esperanto and Free Knowledge

Dňa so, 18. máj 2019 17:46 Kirill Lokshin 
napísal(a):

> Hi everyone!
>
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> [1] Wikimedia Community User Group Tchad [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The
> group aims to promote use of the Wikimedia projects by people in Chad, to
> act as a hub for Chadian Wikimedians and as a voice for the Chadian
> Wikimedia community, and to organize conferences, meetings, in workshops in
> Chad.
>
> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Community_User_group_Tchad
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Tchad
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If we had proper language models…

[John Erling Blad]

Perhaps I'll explain this a bit better…

Words can be converted into a vector representation by a word2vec
algorithm [1]. After conversion words will be a point in a high
dimensional space. Relations between words will then be vectors
between such points. Similar relations (or related relations) can be
found by operations on such vectors, or sets of vectors. Often this is
visualized as queen is to king as woman is to man, and similar
relations.

Some relations is quite obvious and common, but some relations simply
does not exist. If we can make a probability model over relations (a
regression model) then we can estimate the probability of observing a
specific relation, and thus be able to say "this does not seem to be a
probable word". (Typically one of several sequence models ("Recurrent
neural network" [2]) would be used for the estimation, and triplet
loss [3] for the training phase.)

It would be like having a "spell right"-metric for text fragments.

Note that this isn't quite as easy as described, as words might have
multiple interpretations and that makes it difficult to build a stable
vector representation. An example is "car" which is something you
typically drive on a road, but it can also be part of a train, or a
toy.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word2vec
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrent_neural_network
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triplet_loss

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 2:55 PM John Erling Blad  wrote:
>
> Microsoft has unveiled an idea about a grammar and style tool for
> Word. [1] I proposed something similar for detecting problematic
> grammatical constructs in the content translation tools.[2] It is a
> couple of years ago now, and I closed the task.
>
> [1] 
> https://venturebeat.com/2019/05/06/microsoft-debuts-ideas-in-word-a-grammar-and-style-suggestions-tool-powered-by-ai/
> [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T162525

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[Wikimedia-l] If we had proper language models…

[John Erling Blad]

Microsoft has unveiled an idea about a grammar and style tool for
Word. [1] I proposed something similar for detecting problematic
grammatical constructs in the content translation tools.[2] It is a
couple of years ago now, and I closed the task.

[1] 
https://venturebeat.com/2019/05/06/microsoft-debuts-ideas-in-word-a-grammar-and-style-suggestions-tool-powered-by-ai/
[2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T162525

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

[James Heilman]

Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not the foundation but our movement
that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow
commercial reuse.

By the way EN WP also allows fair use of certain images which may not
permit commercial reuse in certain jurisdictions.

James

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 11:48 AM Mister Thrapostibongles <
thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yury
>
> I'm not quite sure what you mean here.  Firstly, this isn't the right venue
> for a discussion of the general principle of non-commercial licensing,
> especially as the Foundation has decided on the use of licences that permit
> commercial reuse.  And secondly, there's nothing to prevent a rights owner
> from granting a full/libre licence if they want to for the works they own:
> so why would one need to advocate for it, here or anywhere else?
>
> Thrapostibongles
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:42 AM Yury Bulka <
> setthemf...@privacyrequired.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Just stumbled upon an page where Swiss collecting society SUISA lists
> > things which they consider commercial use within CC NC licenses, as
> > applied to works they have copyright on (delegated from authors who are
> > their members). It's quite interesting and I think it is a very good
> > example for advocating for fully free/libre licensing of works.
> >
> > Here's the page:
> >
> >
> https://www.suisa.ch/en/members/authors/how-to-register-a-work/creative-commons.html
> >
> > The list of uses that they consider commercial use is quite
> > interesting. For instance, it includes things like:
> >
> > - involving a counterpart, of a financial or other nature, regardless of
> > the beneficiary, title or grounds;
> > - in exchange for other goods, whether or not the exchange generates
> >   direct or indirect revenues or gives rise to a payment of any nature
> >   whatsoever;
> > - at places of work;
> >
> > Best,
> > Yury.
> >
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