Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[effe iets anders]

I would like to note that one of the contacts of this user group is
Vladimir Medeyko, the director of Wikimedia Russia. I'm assuming
comfortably that this application happened in full coordination with
Wikimedia Russia.

The question about process is still an interesting one though (what is
nowadays the approach of Affcom, and what are the considerations) when a
user group application comes in from a geographic area with an active
affiliate at a 'higher level' (in this case, a country). You could continue
the comparison with what happens if an application would come in from South
of Nevsky (a neighborhood in St. Petersburg).

Lodewijk

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:29 PM Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> Wikimedia NYC is a very different situation, there is not a national
> chapter in the US, so it's not a cell of anything.
> Just to clarify: Saint Petersburg eventually could not be a cell, but the
> way it is presented (to promote Wikimedia RU activities in SP, with same
> Wikimedia RU people), it's basically a cell.
>
> Paulo
>
> Yuri Astrakhan  escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019
> à(s) 23:06:
>
> > What about Wikimedia NYC?  (I'm not sure of its organizational status)
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > paulospern...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't
> believe
> > > it compares with a city UG.
> > >
> > > Paulo
> > >
> > > Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia quinta,
> > 3/10/2019
> > > à(s) 22:53:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
> > > > basically
> > > > > a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a curious precedent.
> > > >
> > > > The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia Community
> > > > User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andy Mabbett
> > > > @pigsonthewing
> > > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Amanda Keton to the Wikimedia Foundation

[Samuel Klein]

Fantastic news.  Welcome, Amanda.  :)  SJ

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:07 PM Katherine Maher  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I know I’ve sent several announcements to this list in recent months
> regarding new members of the Wikimedia Foundation’s executive team. Today,
> I’m excited to send the last in this series, and officially welcome Amanda
> Keton as General Counsel to the Wikimedia Foundation. Amanda will be
> starting on October 7, based in San Diego.
>
> Amanda has dedicated her career to many of the same values we share as a
> movement. She joins us from the San Francisco-based Tides Foundation, where
> she served as General Counsel. Tides is a U.S.-based public foundation that
> distributes donor-advised grants and investments with the mission of
> building a world of shared prosperity and social justice. Tides was a
> partner for us in 2016 as we established our endowment, which remains
> hosted at Tides. Amanda also served as Head of Tides Foundation and People
> Operations and the CEO of Tides Advocacy,  the policy affiliate in the
> Tides family of organizations.
>
> Before her work at Tides, Amanda worked for Ernst & Young providing
> nonprofit organizations with consulting, advisory, and compliance
> services.  She currently serves on the Network for Good board and has
> previously served on a number of other boards dedicated to equity and
> justice.
>
> In Amanda's words, "My work in nonprofits and the values I developed as a
> social justice advocate make me especially excited to contribute to
> Wikimedia in its next phase of growth. I want to be part of ensuring that
> everyone finds a sense of belonging in the free knowledge movement, and
> together we serve and defend it exceptionally well. After living in the Bay
> Area for 11 years, my family and I recently moved to San Diego to be closer
> to family, as we welcomed our son in August. I am always on a quest to find
> the perfect playground, a new author to binge read, or a fresh recipe to
> try."
>
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> strategic aspect of our movement. From the first days of the Foundation,
> our legal team has helped defend the Wikimedia communities and the
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> advocate on behalf of open licensing, freedom of expression, net
> neutrality, privacy, and other critical enabling elements of our mission.
>
> I expect the importance of our legal and policy work to continue as we
> work toward 2030. Today we see expanding government censorship and
> increased infringements on access to knowledge around the globe. We see
> threats to community members on the ground, and threats to the integrity of
> information online. Our ability to engage proactively on these issues,
> through strategic counsel, policy and advocacy, and impactful litigation
> will continue to grow in importance to the Wikimedia mission. I’m excited
> for Amanda to lead the Foundation’s accomplished Legal department as we go
> forward.
>
> I also want to take a moment to personally thank and acknowledge Tony
> Sebro for his excellent work serving as interim General Counsel and
> Secretary to the Board of Trustees while we searched to fill the position
> permanently. Tony was a deft and thoughtful partner in addressing issues
> ranging from copyright policy to malicious DDOS attacks to board
> governance, and a valued voice on the Foundation’s leadership team. Amanda
> will continue to work closely with Tony as he resumes the position of
> Deputy General Counsel.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

Wikimedia NYC is a very different situation, there is not a national
chapter in the US, so it's not a cell of anything.
Just to clarify: Saint Petersburg eventually could not be a cell, but the
way it is presented (to promote Wikimedia RU activities in SP, with same
Wikimedia RU people), it's basically a cell.

Paulo

Yuri Astrakhan  escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019
à(s) 23:06:

> What about Wikimedia NYC?  (I'm not sure of its organizational status)
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't believe
> > it compares with a city UG.
> >
> > Paulo
> >
> > Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia quinta,
> 3/10/2019
> > à(s) 22:53:
> >
> > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
> > > basically
> > > > a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> > > >
> > > > It's a curious precedent.
> > >
> > > The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia Community
> > > User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).
> > >
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> > > @pigsonthewing
> > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Yuri Astrakhan]

What about Wikimedia NYC?  (I'm not sure of its organizational status)

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't believe
> it compares with a city UG.
>
> Paulo
>
> Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019
> à(s) 22:53:
>
> > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
> > basically
> > > a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> > >
> > > It's a curious precedent.
> >
> > The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia Community
> > User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).
> >
> > --
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> > @pigsonthewing
> > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't believe
it compares with a city UG.

Paulo

Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019
à(s) 22:53:

> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
>  wrote:
>
> > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
> basically
> > a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> >
> > It's a curious precedent.
>
> The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia Community
> User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).
>
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> @pigsonthewing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
 wrote:

> Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's basically
> a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
>
> It's a curious precedent.

The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia Community
User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

I don't see a problem with sending several representatives to the Wikimedia
Summit, instead of 1, as would be the case if there was only Wikimedia
Russia (that would be a Wikimedia Summit problem). But cells of Wikimedia
Russia or other national chapters voting for ASBS elections is a different
thing, as it unfairly duplicates the vote of the communities that follow
that strategy.

Paulo

Mārtiņš Bruņenieks  escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019
à(s) 21:04:

> Hello!
>
> There are different aspects to this trend.
> In upcoming CEE Meeting in Belgrade there will be 9 people from different
> affiliates based in Russia. There are other examples you can explore in
> official participant list from other countries, too [1]
>
> As long as there is no system abuse, I see this as a valid way for Erzya
> language or different Albanian language communities in different countries
> to grow their capacity.
> It might not seem fair, but on the other hand it can seem unfair that in
> the past both large and small affiliates could send 2 representatives each.
>
>  Mārtiņš
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2019/Participants/List
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:46 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
>> basically a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
>>
>> It's a curious precedent.
>>
>> Paulo
>>
>> Asaf Bartov  escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019
>> à(s) 20:41:
>>
>>> Ziko: Yes, it is about the major Russian city.  And one of its listed
>>> contacts is the longstanding president of Wikimedia Russia itself.
>>>
>>> Philip: this is not an example of a large country being "split up",
>>> since Wikimedia Russia is still around, and was not broken up.  It is also
>>> not the first user group operating within Russia, nor even the first group
>>> with a geographic remit.[1]
>>>
>>>A.
>>>
>>> [1] e.g. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Don_Wikimedians_User_Group
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:34 PM Ziko van Dijk 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello Philip,

 I was asking the same question - isn't there already a Wikimedia
 Rossiya -
 but I guess this is the User Group of Saint Petersburg in Florida (USA),
 not Sankt Peterburg in Russia.
 Oh wait... this IS about the city in Russia!

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group

 Kind regards
 Ziko

 Am Do., 3. Okt. 2019 um 16:15 Uhr schrieb Philip Kopetzky <
 philip.kopet...@gmail.com>:

 > Hi Kirill,
 >
 > so it seems like geographically large countries are being split up
 into
 > different user groups - do you think that this is a viable model for
 the
 > future or just happened because of certain circumstances within the
 Russian
 > community? Would your template allow a User Group from Rome, Paris,
 Munich
 > or Sydney for example?
 >
 > Best,
 > Philip
 >
 > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 12:20, Kirill Lokshin >>> >
 > wrote:
 >
 > > Hi everyone!
 > >
 > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
 recognized
 > > [1] the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group [2] as a
 Wikimedia
 > User
 > > Group. The group aims to unite Wikimedians living in St.
 Petersburg, to
 > > support the development of content on topics related to St.
 Petersburg
 > > across different Wikimedia projects, to promote the Wikimedia
 projects
 > and
 > > movement in St. Petersburg, and to build partnerships between the
 > Wikimedia
 > > community and cultural, scientific, educational, and media
 institutions
 > in
 > > St. Petersburg.
 > >
 > > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
 > >
 > > Regards,
 > > Kirill Lokshin
 > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
 > >
 > > [1]
 > >
 >
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
 > > [2]
 > >
 >
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's basically
a cell of Wikimedia Russia?

It's a curious precedent.

Paulo

Asaf Bartov  escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019 à(s)
20:41:

> Ziko: Yes, it is about the major Russian city.  And one of its listed
> contacts is the longstanding president of Wikimedia Russia itself.
>
> Philip: this is not an example of a large country being "split up", since
> Wikimedia Russia is still around, and was not broken up.  It is also not
> the first user group operating within Russia, nor even the first group with
> a geographic remit.[1]
>
>A.
>
> [1] e.g. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Don_Wikimedians_User_Group
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:34 PM Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
>
>> Hello Philip,
>>
>> I was asking the same question - isn't there already a Wikimedia Rossiya -
>> but I guess this is the User Group of Saint Petersburg in Florida (USA),
>> not Sankt Peterburg in Russia.
>> Oh wait... this IS about the city in Russia!
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Ziko
>>
>> Am Do., 3. Okt. 2019 um 16:15 Uhr schrieb Philip Kopetzky <
>> philip.kopet...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > Hi Kirill,
>> >
>> > so it seems like geographically large countries are being split up into
>> > different user groups - do you think that this is a viable model for the
>> > future or just happened because of certain circumstances within the
>> Russian
>> > community? Would your template allow a User Group from Rome, Paris,
>> Munich
>> > or Sydney for example?
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Philip
>> >
>> > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 12:20, Kirill Lokshin 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi everyone!
>> > >
>> > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
>> recognized
>> > > [1] the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group [2] as a Wikimedia
>> > User
>> > > Group. The group aims to unite Wikimedians living in St. Petersburg,
>> to
>> > > support the development of content on topics related to St. Petersburg
>> > > across different Wikimedia projects, to promote the Wikimedia projects
>> > and
>> > > movement in St. Petersburg, and to build partnerships between the
>> > Wikimedia
>> > > community and cultural, scientific, educational, and media
>> institutions
>> > in
>> > > St. Petersburg.
>> > >
>> > > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Kirill Lokshin
>> > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
>> > >
>> > > [1]
>> > >
>> >
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
>> > > [2]
>> > >
>> >
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Asaf Bartov]

Ziko: Yes, it is about the major Russian city.  And one of its listed
contacts is the longstanding president of Wikimedia Russia itself.

Philip: this is not an example of a large country being "split up", since
Wikimedia Russia is still around, and was not broken up.  It is also not
the first user group operating within Russia, nor even the first group with
a geographic remit.[1]

   A.

[1] e.g. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Don_Wikimedians_User_Group

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:34 PM Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Hello Philip,
>
> I was asking the same question - isn't there already a Wikimedia Rossiya -
> but I guess this is the User Group of Saint Petersburg in Florida (USA),
> not Sankt Peterburg in Russia.
> Oh wait... this IS about the city in Russia!
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
> Am Do., 3. Okt. 2019 um 16:15 Uhr schrieb Philip Kopetzky <
> philip.kopet...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi Kirill,
> >
> > so it seems like geographically large countries are being split up into
> > different user groups - do you think that this is a viable model for the
> > future or just happened because of certain circumstances within the
> Russian
> > community? Would your template allow a User Group from Rome, Paris,
> Munich
> > or Sydney for example?
> >
> > Best,
> > Philip
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 12:20, Kirill Lokshin 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone!
> > >
> > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
> recognized
> > > [1] the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group [2] as a Wikimedia
> > User
> > > Group. The group aims to unite Wikimedians living in St. Petersburg, to
> > > support the development of content on topics related to St. Petersburg
> > > across different Wikimedia projects, to promote the Wikimedia projects
> > and
> > > movement in St. Petersburg, and to build partnerships between the
> > Wikimedia
> > > community and cultural, scientific, educational, and media institutions
> > in
> > > St. Petersburg.
> > >
> > > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
> > > [2]
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Ziko van Dijk]

Hello Philip,

I was asking the same question - isn't there already a Wikimedia Rossiya -
but I guess this is the User Group of Saint Petersburg in Florida (USA),
not Sankt Peterburg in Russia.
Oh wait... this IS about the city in Russia!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group

Kind regards
Ziko

Am Do., 3. Okt. 2019 um 16:15 Uhr schrieb Philip Kopetzky <
philip.kopet...@gmail.com>:

> Hi Kirill,
>
> so it seems like geographically large countries are being split up into
> different user groups - do you think that this is a viable model for the
> future or just happened because of certain circumstances within the Russian
> community? Would your template allow a User Group from Rome, Paris, Munich
> or Sydney for example?
>
> Best,
> Philip
>
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 12:20, Kirill Lokshin 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> > [1] the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group [2] as a Wikimedia
> User
> > Group. The group aims to unite Wikimedians living in St. Petersburg, to
> > support the development of content on topics related to St. Petersburg
> > across different Wikimedia projects, to promote the Wikimedia projects
> and
> > movement in St. Petersburg, and to build partnerships between the
> Wikimedia
> > community and cultural, scientific, educational, and media institutions
> in
> > St. Petersburg.
> >
> > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
> > [2]
> >
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Amanda Keton to the Wikimedia Foundation

[Katherine Maher]

Hi all,

I know I’ve sent several announcements to this list in recent months
regarding new members of the Wikimedia Foundation’s executive team. Today,
I’m excited to send the last in this series, and officially welcome Amanda
Keton as General Counsel to the Wikimedia Foundation. Amanda will be
starting on October 7, based in San Diego.

Amanda has dedicated her career to many of the same values we share as a
movement. She joins us from the San Francisco-based Tides Foundation, where
she served as General Counsel. Tides is a U.S.-based public foundation that
distributes donor-advised grants and investments with the mission of
building a world of shared prosperity and social justice. Tides was a
partner for us in 2016 as we established our endowment, which remains
hosted at Tides. Amanda also served as Head of Tides Foundation and People
Operations and the CEO of Tides Advocacy,  the policy affiliate in the
Tides family of organizations.

Before her work at Tides, Amanda worked for Ernst & Young providing
nonprofit organizations with consulting, advisory, and compliance
services.  She currently serves on the Network for Good board and has
previously served on a number of other boards dedicated to equity and
justice.

In Amanda's words, "My work in nonprofits and the values I developed as a
social justice advocate make me especially excited to contribute to
Wikimedia in its next phase of growth. I want to be part of ensuring that
everyone finds a sense of belonging in the free knowledge movement, and
together we serve and defend it exceptionally well. After living in the Bay
Area for 11 years, my family and I recently moved to San Diego to be closer
to family, as we welcomed our son in August. I am always on a quest to find
the perfect playground, a new author to binge read, or a fresh recipe to
try."

Wikimedia always has been unique in the centrality of legal work as a
strategic aspect of our movement. From the first days of the Foundation,
our legal team has helped defend the Wikimedia communities and the
integrity of free knowledge. They work closely with the community to
advocate on behalf of open licensing, freedom of expression, net
neutrality, privacy, and other critical enabling elements of our mission.

I expect the importance of our legal and policy work to continue as we work
toward 2030. Today we see expanding government censorship and increased
infringements on access to knowledge around the globe. We see threats to
community members on the ground, and threats to the integrity of
information online. Our ability to engage proactively on these issues,
through strategic counsel, policy and advocacy, and impactful litigation
will continue to grow in importance to the Wikimedia mission. I’m excited
for Amanda to lead the Foundation’s accomplished Legal department as we go
forward.

I also want to take a moment to personally thank and acknowledge Tony Sebro
for his excellent work serving as interim General Counsel and Secretary to
the Board of Trustees while we searched to fill the position permanently.
Tony was a deft and thoughtful partner in addressing issues ranging from
copyright policy to malicious DDOS attacks to board governance, and a
valued voice on the Foundation’s leadership team. Amanda will continue to
work closely with Tony as he resumes the position of Deputy General
Counsel.

Please join me in welcoming Amanda to the Foundation!

Katherine

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

[rupert THURNER]

Extremely cool move, thank you!

Rupert


On Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 18:31 Ilana Fried  wrote:

> Hello, everyone!
>
> My name is Ilana, and I'm the product manager for the Community Tech team.
> We’re excited to share an update on the Community Tech 2020 Wishlist Survey
> . This
> will
> be our fifth annual Community Wishlist Survey, and for this year, we’ve
> decided to take a different approach. In the past, we've invited people to
> write proposals for any features or fixes that they'd like to see, and the
> Community Tech team has addressed the top ten wishes with the most support
> votes. This year, we're just going to focus on the *non-Wikipedia content
> projects* (i.e. Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Commons, Wikisource,
> Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, and Wikinews), and we're
> only going to address the top five wishes from this survey. This is a big
> departure from the typical process. In the following year (2021), we’ll
> probably return to the traditional structure.
>
> So, why this change? We’ve been following the same format for years — and,
> generally, it has lots of benefits. We build great tools, provide useful
> improvements, and have an impact on diverse communities. However, the
> nature of the format tends to prioritize the largest project (Wikipedia).
> This makes it harder to serve smaller projects, and many of their wishes
> never make it onto the wishlist. As a community-focused team, we want to
> support *all* projects. Thus, for 2020, we want to shine a light on
> non-Wikipedia projects.
>
> Furthermore, we’ll be accepting five wishes. Over the years, we’ve taken on
> larger wishes (like Global Preferences
>  or Who
> Wrote That
> ),
> which are awesome projects. At the same time, they tend to be lengthy
> endeavors, requiring extra time for research and development. When we
> looked at the 2019 wishlist, there were still many unresolved wishes.
> Meanwhile, we wanted to make room for the new 2020 wishes. For this reason,
> we’ve decided to take on a shortened list, so we can address as many wishes
> (new and remaining 2019 wishes
> )
> as possible.
>
> Overall, we look forward to this year’s survey. We worked with lots of
> folks (engineering, product management, and others) to think about how we
> could support underserved projects, all while preserving the dynamic and
> open nature of the wishlist. *Please let us know your thoughts
> *
> related
> to this change. In addition, we’ll begin thinking about the guidelines for
> this new process, so *we want your feedback
> * (on
> what sorts of processes/rules we may want to consider). Thank you, and
> we’re very curious to see the wishes in November!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ilana Fried
>
> Product Manager, Community Tech
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF work environment

[Henry Wood]

Pine

What exactly do you suggest that you or the rest of us could actually
do with a "better understanding" of these issues?  Without taking any
position on whether there is some form of stress, is it likely to be
anything other than exacerbated by exposing it in public, with no real
prospect of that exposure leading to any kind of amelioration?

Henry

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 21:09, Pine W  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Something I am sensing from multiple sources, sometimes more through
> implication than specific statements, is that there is a sense of turmoil
> in WMF. I think that some amounts of internal politics and staff turnover
> are normal, but over the past few months I am sensing an increase in
> internal turmoil. I am noticing the departures of some staff people that I
> personally like and respect. I am wondering if WMF Talent and Culture or
> maybe someone on the ED's office would be willing to comment regarding
> these issues. I'm not intending to add additional stress to people who are
> generally competent and are trying to do good work. I would like to better
> understand the degree of turmoil (perhaps my impressions are incorrect),
> what might be causing the turmoil, and whether the turmoil is good or bad.
> Hopefully any increase in turmoil is temporary, but I am somewhat
> concerned. If staff are focused too much on internal WMF issues then this
> may affect their productivity on projects that support the community, and
> having highly stressed or discouraged staff would be a problem.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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[Wikimedia-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

[Ilana Fried]

Hello, everyone!

My name is Ilana, and I'm the product manager for the Community Tech team.
We’re excited to share an update on the Community Tech 2020 Wishlist Survey
. This will
be our fifth annual Community Wishlist Survey, and for this year, we’ve
decided to take a different approach. In the past, we've invited people to
write proposals for any features or fixes that they'd like to see, and the
Community Tech team has addressed the top ten wishes with the most support
votes. This year, we're just going to focus on the *non-Wikipedia content
projects* (i.e. Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Commons, Wikisource,
Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, and Wikinews), and we're
only going to address the top five wishes from this survey. This is a big
departure from the typical process. In the following year (2021), we’ll
probably return to the traditional structure.

So, why this change? We’ve been following the same format for years — and,
generally, it has lots of benefits. We build great tools, provide useful
improvements, and have an impact on diverse communities. However, the
nature of the format tends to prioritize the largest project (Wikipedia).
This makes it harder to serve smaller projects, and many of their wishes
never make it onto the wishlist. As a community-focused team, we want to
support *all* projects. Thus, for 2020, we want to shine a light on
non-Wikipedia projects.

Furthermore, we’ll be accepting five wishes. Over the years, we’ve taken on
larger wishes (like Global Preferences
 or Who
Wrote That
),
which are awesome projects. At the same time, they tend to be lengthy
endeavors, requiring extra time for research and development. When we
looked at the 2019 wishlist, there were still many unresolved wishes.
Meanwhile, we wanted to make room for the new 2020 wishes. For this reason,
we’ve decided to take on a shortened list, so we can address as many wishes
(new and remaining 2019 wishes
)
as possible.

Overall, we look forward to this year’s survey. We worked with lots of
folks (engineering, product management, and others) to think about how we
could support underserved projects, all while preserving the dynamic and
open nature of the wishlist. *Please let us know your thoughts
* related
to this change. In addition, we’ll begin thinking about the guidelines for
this new process, so *we want your feedback
* (on
what sorts of processes/rules we may want to consider). Thank you, and
we’re very curious to see the wishes in November!

Thanks,

Ilana Fried

Product Manager, Community Tech

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Huhall] Viola wikipedia

[Vi to]

That's the reason why the idea of "reciprocating" via Wikipedia is always
wrong.

Vito

Il giorno gio 3 ott 2019 alle ore 11:27 Antoine Musso 
ha scritto:

> On 01/10/2019 17:46, Samuel Klein wrote:
> >  From a Harvard biology list, via my friend Chris: a newly named species
> of
> > Viola !
> > /SJ
> >
> > == Forwarded message ===
> >
> > Many of you may use Wikipedia.
> >
> > Here is a plant name (*Viola Wikipedia*), which may be first name to
> honor
> > Wikipedia.
> >
> >
> > Viola wikipedia J.M.Watson & A.R.Flores, Int. Rock Gard. 117: 47. 2019
> >
> 
> Hello,
>
> According to the international plant names index [0], the name is
> illegitimate [1] and the plant actual name is "Viola angustifolia".  We
> should probably have the created articles to be renamed toward the
> legitimate name instead :]
>
> It is still a great token of appreciation, and I am quite happy to see
> Wikipedia being of good use for plant research!
>
> [0] https://www.ipni.org/n/77202100-1
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomen_illegitimum
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Lane Rasberry]

A usergroup for every city!

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:15 AM Philip Kopetzky 
wrote:

> Hi Kirill,
>
> so it seems like geographically large countries are being split up into
> different user groups - do you think that this is a viable model for the
> future or just happened because of certain circumstances within the Russian
> community? Would your template allow a User Group from Rome, Paris, Munich
> or Sydney for example?
>
> Best,
> Philip
>
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 12:20, Kirill Lokshin 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
>> [1] the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User
>> Group. The group aims to unite Wikimedians living in St. Petersburg, to
>> support the development of content on topics related to St. Petersburg
>> across different Wikimedia projects, to promote the Wikimedia projects and
>> movement in St. Petersburg, and to build partnerships between the Wikimedia
>> community and cultural, scientific, educational, and media institutions in
>> St. Petersburg.
>>
>> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kirill Lokshin
>> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>>
>> [1]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
>> [2]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Philip Kopetzky]

Hi Kirill,

so it seems like geographically large countries are being split up into
different user groups - do you think that this is a viable model for the
future or just happened because of certain circumstances within the Russian
community? Would your template allow a User Group from Rome, Paris, Munich
or Sydney for example?

Best,
Philip

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 12:20, Kirill Lokshin 
wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> [1] the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User
> Group. The group aims to unite Wikimedians living in St. Petersburg, to
> support the development of content on topics related to St. Petersburg
> across different Wikimedia projects, to promote the Wikimedia projects and
> movement in St. Petersburg, and to build partnerships between the Wikimedia
> community and cultural, scientific, educational, and media institutions in
> St. Petersburg.
>
> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
> [2]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF work environment

[Antoine Musso]

On 03/10/2019 12:47, Antoine Musso wrote:


[wmf-staff-and-contractors]
* https://github.com/thcipriani/wmf-staff-and-contractors

[official website]
* https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/staff-contractors/


As a follow up, note that this source of data is most probably 
inaccurate. The website might not be always up-to-date, and might not be 
immediately updated when people join and leave.  So all the analysis is 
to be picked with a large grain of salt ;-]


In the end, that would be better address by board/T which have the 
accurate data.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF work environment

[Antoine Musso]

On 02/10/2019 22:09, Pine W wrote:

Hello,

Something I am sensing from multiple sources, sometimes more through
implication than specific statements, is that there is a sense of turmoil
in WMF. I think that some amounts of internal politics and staff turnover
are normal, but over the past few months I am sensing an increase in
internal turmoil. I am noticing the departures of some staff people that I
personally like and respect. I am wondering if WMF Talent and Culture or
maybe someone on the ED's office would be willing to comment regarding
these issues. I'm not intending to add additional stress to people who are
generally competent and are trying to do good work. I would like to better
understand the degree of turmoil (perhaps my impressions are incorrect),
what might be causing the turmoil, and whether the turmoil is good or bad.
Hopefully any increase in turmoil is temporary, but I am somewhat
concerned. If staff are focused too much on internal WMF issues then this
may affect their productivity on projects that support the community, and
having highly stressed or discouraged staff would be a problem.


Hello Pine,

[turnover] rate i  a measure of how many employees leave an organization 
compared to the total number of employees. It greatly varies by season, 
sector, type of organization, area, country etc. See the wikipedia 
article for more details.



From a [board meeting public report, page 18]:

Turnover rate per fiscal year:

| Year  | Rate
|---|
| FY14-15   | 15,40%
| FY15-16   | 16,80%
| FY16-17   |  7,30%
| FY17-18   |  7,00%
| FYTD18-19 |  3,54%

The last line might be based on Dec 31 2018, and maybe can be 
extrapolated to 3,54% x 2 = 7,08%.



For more recent numbers, the list of staff and contractors are listed 
publicly. That has long been on a wiki [staff history] and is now on the 
[official website].


It is thus not too difficult to grab those data and make them machine 
readable, which is unofficially available at:

https://github.com/thcipriani/wmf-staff-and-contractors


June 27 th: 367 persons
October 2nd: 375 persons

29 people joined
21 have left

Which based on the Wikipedia article calculation would gives:

 Turnover rate = 21 left / ( (367 + 376) / 2 )
   = 0,0565

Which would be 5% since July 1st.  Remember that turnover is often 
seasonal, but linearly expanding that quarter to a full year assuming 
the three other quarters would be similar:


29 join on Q1 * 4 quarters = 116 join
21 leaves on Q1 * 4 quarters = 84 left

Delta 32
Total 399

And the formula would yield:

 Fictional turnover rate = 84 leaving / ( ( 367 + 399 ) / 2 )
 = 0,219

Or slightly less than 22%. But again, turnover is often seasonal and the 
foundation headcount (and thus rate of leaving/joining) grows.  So that 
number is pure fiction.  One would need to:
* do some backtracking over the actual data for the last few years to be 
able to draw any conclusion as what those 5% for FYQ1 mean or the 
fictional 22% I have made up.
* analyze who and why people left during Q1, which might well be 
independent from the WMF and just be conjectural.



Again that is situational and I am not sure whether one can draw any 
conclusion from the numbers I am indicating here.


The board of trustee report indicates that they turnover rate is 
reported to them which probably implies it is a key indicator.




As for the claimed internal turmoil, you might want to give details 
about what leave you to think there is any turmoil.  Having some view 
from the inside (I am a contractor to the WMF), I don't have that feeling.


cheers ;]


References:

[turnover]
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnover_(employment)

[staff history]
* 
https://foundation.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Staff_and_contractors=116650


[wmf-staff-and-contractors]
* https://github.com/thcipriani/wmf-staff-and-contractors

[official website]
* https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/staff-contractors/

[board meeting public report, page 18]
* 
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/c/cb/January_30_2019_Board_of_Trustees_Meeting_-_public_version.pdf



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Huhall] Viola wikipedia

[Antoine Musso]

On 01/10/2019 17:46, Samuel Klein wrote:

 From a Harvard biology list, via my friend Chris: a newly named species of
Viola !
/SJ

== Forwarded message ===

Many of you may use Wikipedia.

Here is a plant name (*Viola Wikipedia*), which may be first name to honor
Wikipedia.


Viola wikipedia J.M.Watson & A.R.Flores, Int. Rock Gard. 117: 47. 2019



Hello,

According to the international plant names index [0], the name is 
illegitimate [1] and the plant actual name is "Viola angustifolia".  We 
should probably have the created articles to be renamed toward the 
legitimate name instead :]


It is still a great token of appreciation, and I am quite happy to see 
Wikipedia being of good use for plant research!


[0] https://www.ipni.org/n/77202100-1
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomen_illegitimum

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1819 Fundraising Report

[Philip Kopetzky]

Thanks Chuck for digging out that old email, it does explain why this isn't
done for every country.
Chris and Sandra have a point though, because this can't be a legal issue
for most European countries for example. In return, the local organisations
and communities would benefit from an added layer of feedback based on
their work.

Furthermore, how and how much we fundraise will be one of the important
talking points when implementing the recommendations, especially to set a
benchmark to evaluate if involving local organisations in the fundraising
process actually works or not.

Best,
Philip

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 09:38, Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland <
rient...@wikimedia.nl> wrote:

> I agree with Chris.
> Furthermore: Wikimedia Nederland, like all chapters, puts a lot of effort
> in raising awareness of and support for the Wikimedia projects.  I would
> really like to know if these efforts 'pay off'.
>
>
>
> Sandra Rientjes
> Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland
>
> tel.(+31) (0)30 3200238 (ma, di, do)
> mob. (+31) (0)6  31786379 (wo, vrij)
>
> www.wikimedia.nl
>
>
> Mariaplaats 3
> 3511 LH  Utrecht
>
>
> Op do 3 okt. 2019 om 09:13 schreef Chris Keating <
> chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
> >:
>
> > Hi Chuck,
> >
> > The reasons the question keeps getting asked is because it was never
> really
> > answered in the first place.
> >
> > The only good reason I can think of for not publishing country-level data
> > is that there are some countries where that could create risks to the WMF
> > or individuals because they're places where giving donations to a US
> > nonprofit is either illegal or politically risky.
> >
> > However that doesn't apply to most countries, so why not publish the data
> > for most of the world?
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:34 AM Chuck Roslof 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Philip,
> > >
> > > We do not publish country-level fundraising numbers. My colleague
> Stephen
> > > discussed why on this list a few years back, so rather than
> paraphrasing
> > > his previous email I'll just provide a link to it:
> > >
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-November/085576.html
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > ==
> > > Charles M. Roslof
> > > Legal Counsel
> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > Pronouns: they /he
> > > 
> > >
> > > NOTICE: This message might have confidential or legally privileged
> > > information in it. If you have received this message by accident,
> please
> > > delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal
> > advice
> > > to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff
> > > members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please
> > see
> > > our legal disclaimer
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 6:05 AM Philip Kopetzky <
> > philip.kopet...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Patricia,
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the report! Is it possible to get a country-by-country
> > > breakdown
> > > > of the donations as well?
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Philip
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 01:25, Patricia Pena 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m excited to share with you our FY1819 Fundraising Report
> > > > > . This
> > > > report
> > > > > is an opportunity to provide insight into our revenue model and the
> > > > > strategy that goes into creating an impactful fundraising
> campaign. A
> > > > > sincere thank you to the millions of donors in nearly 30 countries
> > who
> > > > > support our mission.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd also like to thank everyone who contributed and collaborated on
> > > this
> > > > > document: Online Fundraising, Major Gifts & Endowment, Fundraising
> > > > > Operations, Donor Services, Fundraising Tech, Legal,
> Communications,
> > > > > Finance and more! Special thanks to Thea Skaff for once again
> project
> > > > > managing this entire effort.
> > > > >
> > > > > We welcome your feedback and questions on the talk page.
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Pats
> > > > > --
> > > > > *Pats Pena (she/her) *
> > > > > Director, Online Fundraising I Wikimedia Foundation
> > > > > 1 Montgomery Street I San Francisco, CA 94104
> > > > > pp...@wikimedia.org I +1 (415) 816 3349
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
> > in
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1819 Fundraising Report

[Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland]

I agree with Chris.
Furthermore: Wikimedia Nederland, like all chapters, puts a lot of effort
in raising awareness of and support for the Wikimedia projects.  I would
really like to know if these efforts 'pay off'.



Sandra Rientjes
Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland

tel.(+31) (0)30 3200238 (ma, di, do)
mob. (+31) (0)6  31786379 (wo, vrij)

www.wikimedia.nl


Mariaplaats 3
3511 LH  Utrecht


Op do 3 okt. 2019 om 09:13 schreef Chris Keating :

> Hi Chuck,
>
> The reasons the question keeps getting asked is because it was never really
> answered in the first place.
>
> The only good reason I can think of for not publishing country-level data
> is that there are some countries where that could create risks to the WMF
> or individuals because they're places where giving donations to a US
> nonprofit is either illegal or politically risky.
>
> However that doesn't apply to most countries, so why not publish the data
> for most of the world?
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:34 AM Chuck Roslof  wrote:
>
> > Hi Philip,
> >
> > We do not publish country-level fundraising numbers. My colleague Stephen
> > discussed why on this list a few years back, so rather than paraphrasing
> > his previous email I'll just provide a link to it:
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-November/085576.html
> >
> > Best,
> > Chuck
> >
> > ==
> > Charles M. Roslof
> > Legal Counsel
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > Pronouns: they /he
> > 
> >
> > NOTICE: This message might have confidential or legally privileged
> > information in it. If you have received this message by accident, please
> > delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the
> > Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal
> advice
> > to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff
> > members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please
> see
> > our legal disclaimer
> > .
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 6:05 AM Philip Kopetzky <
> philip.kopet...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Patricia,
> > >
> > > thanks for the report! Is it possible to get a country-by-country
> > breakdown
> > > of the donations as well?
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Philip
> > >
> > > On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 01:25, Patricia Pena 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I’m excited to share with you our FY1819 Fundraising Report
> > > > . This
> > > report
> > > > is an opportunity to provide insight into our revenue model and the
> > > > strategy that goes into creating an impactful fundraising campaign. A
> > > > sincere thank you to the millions of donors in nearly 30 countries
> who
> > > > support our mission.
> > > >
> > > > I'd also like to thank everyone who contributed and collaborated on
> > this
> > > > document: Online Fundraising, Major Gifts & Endowment, Fundraising
> > > > Operations, Donor Services, Fundraising Tech, Legal, Communications,
> > > > Finance and more! Special thanks to Thea Skaff for once again project
> > > > managing this entire effort.
> > > >
> > > > We welcome your feedback and questions on the talk page.
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Pats
> > > > --
> > > > *Pats Pena (she/her) *
> > > > Director, Online Fundraising I Wikimedia Foundation
> > > > 1 Montgomery Street I San Francisco, CA 94104
> > > > pp...@wikimedia.org I +1 (415) 816 3349
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
> in
> > > the
> > > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment. Donate.
> > > > *
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> > because
> > > > Wikimedia allows me an awesome flexible schedule. Please do not
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1819 Fundraising Report

[Chris Keating]

Hi Chuck,

The reasons the question keeps getting asked is because it was never really
answered in the first place.

The only good reason I can think of for not publishing country-level data
is that there are some countries where that could create risks to the WMF
or individuals because they're places where giving donations to a US
nonprofit is either illegal or politically risky.

However that doesn't apply to most countries, so why not publish the data
for most of the world?

Chris

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:34 AM Chuck Roslof  wrote:

> Hi Philip,
>
> We do not publish country-level fundraising numbers. My colleague Stephen
> discussed why on this list a few years back, so rather than paraphrasing
> his previous email I'll just provide a link to it:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-November/085576.html
>
> Best,
> Chuck
>
> ==
> Charles M. Roslof
> Legal Counsel
> Wikimedia Foundation
> Pronouns: they /he
> 
>
> NOTICE: This message might have confidential or legally privileged
> information in it. If you have received this message by accident, please
> delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the
> Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice
> to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff
> members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see
> our legal disclaimer
> .
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 6:05 AM Philip Kopetzky 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Patricia,
> >
> > thanks for the report! Is it possible to get a country-by-country
> breakdown
> > of the donations as well?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Philip
> >
> > On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 01:25, Patricia Pena  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I’m excited to share with you our FY1819 Fundraising Report
> > > . This
> > report
> > > is an opportunity to provide insight into our revenue model and the
> > > strategy that goes into creating an impactful fundraising campaign. A
> > > sincere thank you to the millions of donors in nearly 30 countries who
> > > support our mission.
> > >
> > > I'd also like to thank everyone who contributed and collaborated on
> this
> > > document: Online Fundraising, Major Gifts & Endowment, Fundraising
> > > Operations, Donor Services, Fundraising Tech, Legal, Communications,
> > > Finance and more! Special thanks to Thea Skaff for once again project
> > > managing this entire effort.
> > >
> > > We welcome your feedback and questions on the talk page.
> > > Thank you,
> > > Pats
> > > --
> > > *Pats Pena (she/her) *
> > > Director, Online Fundraising I Wikimedia Foundation
> > > 1 Montgomery Street I San Francisco, CA 94104
> > > pp...@wikimedia.org I +1 (415) 816 3349
> > >
> > >
> > > *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> > the
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> > > *
> > >
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> because
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