Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

[Derek V.Giroulle]

I don't support that statement from Todd ,  that is not how a board of a 
foundantion works ..
please refer to the statutory (bylaws) provisions,  that might be how 
todd ideally would like things to function

but that is not much more then wishfull thinking .

Derek

On 10-05-16 01:46, Yann Forget wrote:

Hi,

I second everything said below. Yann

2016-05-08 5:20 GMT+02:00 Todd Allen :


Denny,

I appreciate that you've put forth this account. That's in no way facetious
or just a pretext, I am actually very glad to see someone speak to this.

I'd like, however, to suggest what would actually begin the process of
healing, since that's your intent. Most of us knew at least more or less
what James was accused of.

First, James needs to be restored to the Board, or at very least, his
restoration needs to be passed as a referendum to the community. Since
you've now posted your side, there's no reason that the community, rather
than the Board, shouldn't decide on James' trusteeship. That needs to
happen now, not at the next election, and it should have happened to start
with.

Second, the Board needs to resolve never to remove a community trustee
except by a successful recall referendum to the community. The Board should
never, under any circumstances, remove a community trustee without consent
of the community that elected them. That was unacceptable and must never
happen again. There will be no "healing" without a promise that it will
not.

Third, the "founder" seat needs to be eliminated. Jimmy would be, of
course, eligible to run for a community seat or be appointed to an expert
seat, but he shouldn't be a "member for life". Alternatively, the "founder"
seat could be made into an advisory, non-voting position.

And finally, while this part is optional, it wouldn't hurt for the Board to
increase the number of community elected ( and not "recommended", elected)
seats to a majority. While there's room for "expert" appointed seats and
chapter selected seats (and no, chapter selected seats are NOT community
selected seats), the community should be in control and have a majority,
and the others should be an advisory minority. The community has always
been in charge of WMF projects, and this should continue to be the case.

If you want to actually start the healing process, rather than deflect, at
the very least the first three things need to be done. If you want to
regain trust, all of them need to be. The community needs to be in charge.

Todd



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] election for 2 seats on WMF board of trustees ends May 7...

[Derek V.Giroulle]

On 04-05-16 13:48, Chris Keating wrote:

A procedural question: Is the chapters' vote binding on the board, or is it
the same as for the three community board seats, where the community
members selected in the community vote are merely recommendations that the
sitting board is free to accept or reject?


As with the community elections, the WMF board needs to appoint the elected
candidates by resolution, and reserves the power not to do so. (I'd be
surprised if as keen an observer of the WMF board as yourself wasn't
already aware of this - it is quite well documented.)

Indeed, there are some circumstances where they should definitely not do
so. Imagine a candidate won in the election and then it was subsequently
revealed they had committed a serious fraud. It would be ridiculous to
expect the WMF Board to seat them in the light of that news.
Such an issue should have been addressed and resolved during the 
eliligbilty process, not after the fact .
If during a politicla election a candidate is not eliligible he will not 
be allowed to campaign let alone be on the condioate list. This issue 
was not addressed in a belgian election in the 1930,  and a candidate 
was elected out of prison ...

I take the point that the WMF is not greatly clear about its expectations
of trustee behaviour and a lot of it appears to rely on unwritten rules and
the views of other Board members. As a result it is not particular clear in
what range of circumstances the WMF board might exercise its power not to
appoint a candidate who'd been successful in the election, or to remove a
sitting Board member. (We have one case recently where people have been
outraged that someone was removed, and another case where people have been
outraged that it took a matter of weeks to remove someone else). However, I
think addressing that issue is rather more important than splitting the
semantic hairs about "selection", "election" and the like.

Regards,

Chris
(selection/election/suggestion/whatever facilitator)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

[Derek V.Giroulle]

I second that Gerard

On 16-04-16 08:16, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi,
You are welcome to your opinion about Jimmy Fae. But honestly. I think you
have gone into a direction where I fail to follow you nor do I see a
benefit. I also fail to understand why you have it in for Jimmy, it comes
over as personal.

What I personally observed in quite a few occasions is that Jimmy was
instrumental in moving things quietly and deliberately in a direction that
served, serves and will serve us well. Jimmy is not an employee, at that he
is more like an ambassador and it is a function he serves pretty well imho.
As far as I know our foundation, there is nobody who can fill his shoes and
as such your sniping is not contributing to what we aim to achieve.

My question to you is very simple. Who else and how else could we replace
Jimmy, Do not give me crap by stating that elected members of the board do
equally well. They do not.
Thanks,
   GerardM


On 11 April 2016 at 13:37, Fæ  wrote:


If we are going to have more elections, can we please hold Jimmy to
account this year rather than waiting for him to leave the board under
his own steam?

His use of "utter fucking bullshit", then using these distraction
politics to avoid answering basic questions intended to deal with his
repeated public allegations of lying against a respected community
member, is not what the Wikimedia movement needs or wants from a
Trustee, or someone who represents the movement to the press.

If Jimmy were a WMF employee, he'd be gone by now.

P.S. We are still waiting for Jimmy to publish his interviews with WMF
employees resulting from his trip to SF, when he was claiming to act
for the WMF board, I can't be bothered to work out how many weeks ago
that was. Is this sort of promise that Jimmy would call "bullshit" if
it was yet another person he had an ongoing feud with?

Fae

On 11 April 2016 at 12:24, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

On 23 March 2016 at 11:48, Andy Mabbett 

wrote:

On 23 March 2016 at 10:01, Jimmy Wales 

wrote:

But I did publish something on my user talk page that is relevant.

Diff, please.

Answer came there none...

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] User interaction on Wikipedia --call for submissions

[Derek V.Giroulle]

Hello everyone ,

I agree with Fae and Craig,
It's foreign jargon especially in this context , and on top of that 
jargon form a professional background where the term has been misused 
(imho)
It has in my jargon the connotation of obsessively recurring idea , like 
a depressed patient

always coming back to ideas of suicide : the suicidal ideation
It would be the only place where i would allow fosuch reductive jargon  
because it has precise meaning
i wouls never associate it with  idea generation or brainstorming what 
is wrong with using those words

as craig indicated : cringe worthy (business) jargon
the mere fact that product design (business ing general) is stealing a 
word form other jargon

show a lack of creativity of innovation

I would like to call on the communications dept to start  - and i can 
just picture someone for that task - a campaign

at WMF  to ban jargon  "simply says it better"


derek


On 16-03-16 04:39, Craig Franklin wrote:

Hi Moushira,

The problem when you use jargon like "ideation" in this context is that
you're essentially excluding anyone who isn't familiar with the particular
terminology used in the field.  Especially so when there are plenty of
plain-English alternatives that can be used in its place.  Note that there
is a whole bunch of thought from experts that that word in particular is a
particularly obnoxious piece of jargon:

* http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/26/pf/corporate-jargon/
* https://hbr.org/2008/08/why-jargon-feeds-on-lazy-minds.html
*
http://www.lifed.com/10-cringeworthy-business-jargon-examples-that-should-be-banned

It's hardly the worst example I've seen out of the WMF, but while we're on
the topic it should be pointed out.  Just because it's used elsewhere, it
doesn't mean that the WMF has to fall into the same trap.

Cheers,
Craig

On 16 March 2016 at 10:07, Moushira Elamrawy 
wrote:


Hello Fae,

Ideation phase [0], is a term widely used in product and design context.
Now, I see your point around how volunteers who are not related to these
fields, might not be familiar with it. Possibly something like, idea
generation, or brainstorming could have replaced it.

I am not sure though if the factors that you have listed are relevant; I
think it is a matter of using a word in a certain context where it actually
fits, without realizing how a broader audience would perceive it.

In any case, thanks for the note :-)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideation_%28creative_process%29

Moushira

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Fæ  wrote:


On 15 March 2016 at 22:33, Moushira Elamrawy 
wrote:
...

The reading team is launching an experiment that supports early

engagement

in ideation phase, with a wide variety of users.

...

Hi, sorry to target your email with a more general observation,
however there seems to be a lot of odd jargon in Wikimedia
announcements over the last few months. It would be great to see more
'official' emails aimed at volunteers, written in plain and
grammatically complete English. Phrases like "ideation phase" may be
frequently used during meetings at the Wikimedia Foundation offices,
but are unlikely to be heard in real life by volunteer contributors,
and are unlikely to be easily understood outside of corporate America,
especially by those without English as their first language.

Sorry again about picking at your announcement rather than any other,
it just stood out today.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] User interaction on Wikipedia --call for submissions

[Derek V.Giroulle]

Hello Moushira,

Iḿ sorry i didn't say this explicitely , i was n persoanlly attacking you
i was as you point  out  focussing the critic at jargon use in the WMF

thanks
derek

On 16-03-16 17:58, Richard Symonds wrote:

Thanks Moushira :-)
On 16 Mar 2016 16:55, "Moushira Elamrawy" <melamr...@wikimedia.org> wrote:


Hello again,

I see that we have an interesting input here.

Let me add further context, not to give any excuses but to put things in
their perspective. This has nothing do to with corporate or jargon Silicon
Valley culture, as I simply don't live in the US, and I don't have any
corporate background  :). I come from a design background, and while I am
not a native English speaker, I didn't encounter any previous
misunderstanding with using this word, in context, in the last decade, even
with other non-native speakers.

I now see the relevance of psychology in the use of the word "ideation"
(where regardless of the article quality, we have the word used in both
context
<
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Ideation_%28creative_process%29=500

still)

. Given my non-medical background, and my previous use of the word, without
failing to deliver what I needed to express at any point earlier, I,
therefore, made a choice to include it in my email, which I wrote by myself
without peer review.

I see the point around the Foundation's seemingly repeated pattern of using
words (or abbreviation) that aren't widely understood outside their
context, or by a broader audience. While this is a valid concern, I just
wanted to point out that our case here, is a matter of me failing to choose
a term that isn't apparently jargon, because sometimes it is tricky to
decide.

Again, this is a good lesson on the importance of simplifying and
globalizing my choice of words (oh, globalize could be jargon..no, not
again ;).

Point taken, thanks again everyone.

Moushira


On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote:


While I agree with people that it's an uncommon and exclusionary
phrase (and a confusing one!) it seems like Moushira fully
acknowledges this and is going to work harder on this sort of problem
in the future, for which I laud her.

If we want to have a general conversation about language choice at the
WMF, broadly-construed, it seems like it would be best to kick off a
new thread to avoid the appearance of a pileon.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Derek V.Giroulle
<derekvgirou...@wikimedia.be> wrote:

Hello everyone ,

I agree with Fae and Craig,
It's foreign jargon especially in this context , and on top of that

jargon

form a professional background where the term has been misused (imho)
It has in my jargon the connotation of obsessively recurring idea ,

like

a

depressed patient
always coming back to ideas of suicide : the suicidal ideation
It would be the only place where i would allow fosuch reductive jargon
because it has precise meaning
i wouls never associate it with  idea generation or brainstorming what

is

wrong with using those words
as craig indicated : cringe worthy (business) jargon
the mere fact that product design (business ing general) is stealing a

word

form other jargon
show a lack of creativity of innovation

I would like to call on the communications dept to start  - and i can

just

picture someone for that task - a campaign
at WMF  to ban jargon  "simply says it better"


derek



On 16-03-16 04:39, Craig Franklin wrote:

Hi Moushira,

The problem when you use jargon like "ideation" in this context is

that

you're essentially excluding anyone who isn't familiar with the

particular

terminology used in the field.  Especially so when there are plenty of
plain-English alternatives that can be used in its place.  Note that

there

is a whole bunch of thought from experts that that word in particular

is a

particularly obnoxious piece of jargon:

* http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/26/pf/corporate-jargon/
* https://hbr.org/2008/08/why-jargon-feeds-on-lazy-minds.html
*



http://www.lifed.com/10-cringeworthy-business-jargon-examples-that-should-be-banned

It's hardly the worst example I've seen out of the WMF, but while

we're

on

the topic it should be pointed out.  Just because it's used elsewhere,

it

doesn't mean that the WMF has to fall into the same trap.

Cheers,
Craig

On 16 March 2016 at 10:07, Moushira Elamrawy <melamr...@wikimedia.org
wrote:


Hello Fae,

Ideation phase [0], is a term widely used in product and design

context.

Now, I see your point around how volunteers who are not related to

these

fields, might not be familiar with it. Possibly something like, idea
generation, or brainstorming could have replaced it.

I am not sure though if the factors that you have listed are

relevant;

I

think it is a matter of using a word in a certain context where it
actually
fits, without realizing how a broader audience would perceive it.

In any 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania: Is it going to be once every two years?

[Derek V.Giroulle]

I was reacting to Gerard ,  i did not necessarily take into account the 
preceding exchange

I was talking about the wikipedia in a more general fashion
and  that refernce to religion was a paraphrased quotation  from prof 
J.De Mul


I sorry if it did indeed leap from the RFC   to a more general wiki 
philosofy/practise  side of things

but to me Gerards reaction was applicable in tho most general of ways

Derek

On 13-03-16 15:26, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:

On 2016-03-13 10:06 AM, Derek V.Giroulle wrote:

looks like a modern religion, with its proper dogma and clergy.


... I'm sorry.  Where did you leap from "this was a badly organized 
and ill-tought out RfC on which nobody should be basing an important 
decision" to "put sourced content before  real knowledge"?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania: Is it going to be once every two years?

[Derek V.Giroulle]

I wholeheartedly agree with Gerard.

During the conference by the KNAW ( academy of sciences) in Amsterdam
when the Wikipedia community received from HM Willem Alexander of the 
Netherlands the Erasmusaward
Philosofy Professer Jos De Mul ( Erasmus university of Rotterdam) , who 
specialises in the impact of information
and communication technology on humans and on culture,  said 
(paraphrased) the Wikipedia and its community

looks like a modern religion, with its proper dogma and clergy.

In the 15-16 th century Erasmus and a lot of the learned men of his era 
sought refuge in the united Provinces of
the Netherlands together with the protestants who denied the Pope of the 
Roman Catholic church the right
ro call himslef the sole and infallible and omnipotent representative of 
God on this earth, and warred about this for 80 years with the catholic 
kings of Spain.


If we continue to put sourced content before  real knowledge, we are no 
better the flat-earthers who denied the evidence of a round earth 
circling the sun in favour of the catholic dogma of a flat earth center 
of the universe.


Currently the Wikipedia encyclopedia is not gathering knowledge, like a 
candle burning on two sides :
on the historic side of the candle the flame makes us lose knowledge 
that has never been recorded or described in writing; traditional 
aurally transmitted knowledge, descriptive knowledge about traditions, 
about history, about regional and local languages  that have no written 
literature, about traditional costumes, music, dances and ceremonies, 
knowledge stored in family or tribal tales;
On the contemporary side we are not admitting knowledge because the 
scholar is not taken seriously, is not referenced by others. By analogy 
if wikipeida had existed in the 20th century : contributors could not 
have written about black holes because the Einstein's theory had not 
been proven and it would have been all considered speculation, just 
because a despotic self-serving Wikiclergy would have decreed that black 
holes were heresy... but  on the other hand that same clergy currently 
does allow disproven superstition to survive as fact on the same wikipedia.


Haven't we learned anything from clinging dogmatically to conventional 
wisdom instead of allowing creative theories to be tested and either 
being proven or disproven ?


Derek

On 13-03-16 09:12, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi
When this is it, when these people get away with it, their behaviour is as
bad as much of what we have seen lately. I do not care who they are. There
is too much going where people decide on policies and effectively destroy
our culture.,

We do no longer care about our quality, it is all about what others have to
do. It is all about determining for others what is good for them. The
resulting negativity has a lot to do with demanding influence and meddling
with what works by some. Some of the trappings of influence may be exposed
like information about the deliberations of the board but then what?

The board is not at the apex of our community, we are the community. Most
of us do care about issues that are real. But when real things happen
apparatchiks do not care; it is not in their interest. It is why Basel
probably died without even a whimper. What is lost in all the huha is care
that shows what really matters and is not reduced to the regurgitation of
the same old, mostly self serving arguments.

We have so much money that we have money stashed away for a rainy day while
at the same time we have millions of well educated people are in refugee
camps with nothing to do going stir crazy. We could make a difference there
having them edit Wikipedia. It would be mostly languages other than
English. Doing this would be good if only to make up for dropping the ball
for Basel. Alternatively we could invest all that money in green energy to
offset the generation of energy with fossil fuel that powers all the
computers and mobiles of people reading Wikipedia.

As an organisation we have been beaten into a pulp with words. Arguments
are only accepted when they come with a long list of sources. These same
sources are often what holds us back. A psychiatrist was sentenced by a
judge [1] because he argued that a caring psychiatrist will improve the
results for a patient. Later research more than vindicated him. The point
being sources exist and their point is often very much wrong. Our culture
of sources prevents our thinking.

That chuckle is so infuriating because it exposes what is wrong with us.
Thanks,
  GerardM

[1]
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/02/wikipedia-peter-breggin-power-of.html

On 13 March 2016 at 00:58, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:


On 2016-03-12 1:35 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:


When it is only a nominal consideration but mostly a chuckle, what does it
say about the validity of those people and their assumptions?


I should say that it says more about the (lack of) validity of the RfC
itself, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wmfall] Wikimedia Foundation executive transition update

[Derek V.Giroulle]

I second that

On 11-03-16 16:10, Victor Grigas wrote:

What a good message to wake up to!

I'd like to politely suggest along with any decision making ahead, that the
board please leave the door open to considering Katherine as permanent
executive director of the Wikimedia Foundation.





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] about staff

[Derek V.Giroulle]

In belgium three trade unions would at any one time have one or more 
representatives in any one company depending on the size of the work 
force, some specialised trade unions like the railwaymen  would 
represent large special interest groups
The TU would have their members and the only moment they would compete 
for members is  when they present candidates in social elections
Companies that have no work force representation (becaue of their size) 
would get visits from TU officials if there are problems to discuss 
those issues with the management, nothing like " recognizing " the 
unions would unite to represent the workforce.
The national railroad company tried to impose such a system and it isn't 
working ... if the drivers union isn't invited to talks about issues 
involving their members.. trains are not running ... as happend  nearly 
2 dozen times last year


Derek

On 09-03-16 14:50, Risker wrote:

Some historical context may be useful here, Gerard.  The reality is that,
while many workplaces aren't unionized in North America, there are also
many workplaces where there is serious competition between two or more
unions to represent the same employees.  In many parts of Canada and the
U.S., the issue of recognition mainly relates to the employer not being
obliged to recognize a specific union that has not received support from
50% or more of the staff; in fact, in some locations employers may only
recognize unions that receive greater than 50% staff support.

It may not be something that is commonly seen in Europe, but I personally
have observed truly shocking behaviour (threats, harassment, shunning in
the workplace, etc.) on the part of trade unions that are competing to
unionize the same employees.  This is more commonplace when two companies
are merging to form a single new company if the employees had different
unions at the predecessor companies.  And in many parts of North America,
we have seen companies shut down unionized branches and expand
non-unionized branches.  Less than 12% of the United States workforce is
unionized; it is not as enculturated in the US as it is in Europe.

None of this has any bearing whatsoever on the Wikimedia Foundation; I have
no doubt it would follow the applicable legislation should the employees
wish to unionize.

Risker/Anne

On 9 March 2016 at 08:12, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hoi,
It is a travesty when it is up to an employer to recognise a trade union.
The question is very much what is implied by such a recognition. It may be
cultural but I would consider the WMF seriously flawed when it is not
willing to recognise the right of employees to be organised.

A trade union often provides legal aid when necessary and no way in hell
should a company be allowed to interfere in this.
Thanks,
   GerardN

On 9 March 2016 at 13:06, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:


On 9 March 2016 at 09:50, Derek V.Giroulle <derekvgirou...@wikimedia.be>
wrote:


Wikimedia UK  does have anything to say about unions  its employees are

free

to join a union

The issue is not whether anyone "is allowed to join" a trade union;
but whether that trade union is recognised by the employer.

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[Wikimedia-l] about staff

[Derek V.Giroulle]

Gordo ,

a) Wikimedia UK  does have anything to say about unions  its employees 
are free to join a union
b) In france , belgium , the netherlands , germany, scandianavian 
countries, austria even swtizerland   any worker (wage earning)  is free 
to join a labourunion and about 80% of private sector workers are 
syndicated , public servants are even over 90% syndicated


I would expect an organisation like Wikimedia to have an employee 
representation of a bout 1 representative for each 50 staff , that they 
are not represented on the board by a board-member is not a concern as 
long as there is a formal consultation and participatory platform at HR 
level where  staff is represented in matters related to employment , 
working standards and practises, health and safety and where the board 
can liaise with staff




On 09-03-16 09:46, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 05/03/16 19:45, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 05/03/16 16:49, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Arguably, the employees have a bigger stake in the Wikimedia Foundation,
they are not even represented.


Then they should unionise?

Gordo


Following the arguments that unions would would not fit, does Wikimedia
UK allow unions? And other chapters with staff?

Gordo



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

[Derek V.Giroulle]

Pine ,

One of the things iḿ missing is the wiki movement is an independant 
judiciary

The Wiki community  does not apply the following principles  :
- Presumtion of innocence :  Innocent until proven guilty
- Favor of the doubt for the accused
- Clear procedure
- No independant judges :  often "judges" are accuser, judge and hangman
- No independant system of appeal

Furthermore  if you look at elections :  people are not elected by the 
community but by a very insignificant minority ( in size)  but a very 
vocal minority often  that  bully people into submission, with their 
"powers"


What the system has in term of egalitarian democracy of the anonimous 
crowd to start with it lacks in formal democratic principles.


My conclusion "civility" on wikipeida is an illusion but that is only my 
insignificant opinion


Derek


On 03-03-16 05:01, Pine W wrote:

Hi Keegan,

I'm fond of the principle of civility. I'm wondering how you suggest that
we balance civility with the need to hold people accountable. For example,
if someone makes a series of highly problematic decisions, or commits a
wikifelony in their particular role (for example, blatant misuse of
CheckUser, or misappropriation of movement funds), it may be that "the
needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and that the Wikimedia
community would be best served by having that person step down or be
removed. The community, WMF, and arbitration committees have removed people
from various offices who have messed up, usually repeatedly or seriously.
So I'm wondering how you suggest that we balance civility and
accountability. I feel that it's tough to do, and would like to hear
suggestions.

Thanks,

Pine

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Keegan Peterzell 
wrote:


On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Sherlock 


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katy Love to direct WMF Resources team

[Derek V.Giroulle]

Asaf ,

First of all, by your definition of censorship then I must consider 
that  my reaction to
ruslanś message was censored, what makes ruslanś message  immune for 
censorship that

my reaction doesn't qualify for ?
so I reduced my criticism to the quote you made in the message below

Some of the _questions_ ruslan asked certainly were legitimate, also by 
my standards
but i was not talking about his _questions_ ... i was criticizing some 
of his "_statements_"
and "_remarks_",  the implied comments had personal implications and 
thus were directed
at Katy  and that was what I qualified as disrespectful of a valuable 
person.
Ruslanś _remarks_  were imho not questioning the WMF decisions or the 
selection/decision proces,

he was attacking the outcome ... I read that in Maggieś response also

Derek

On 27-02-16 21:37, Asaf Bartov wrote:

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Derek V.Giroulle <
derekvgirou...@wikimedia.be> wrote:


I'm very sorry that  Ruslan Takayev's message got through the moderation
IMHO his  statement and remarks  are not respectful


I strongly disagree, Derek.  That would have been outright censorship.
Ruslan asked a perfectly legitimate and useful question; Maggie thought so
too, and provided a clear and informative response, which has the added
benefit of answering it for other people who may have had the same question
as Ruslan but didn't express it.

Questioning WMF decisions, particularly with reference to our principles or
to previous stated positions, is certainly appropriate and legitimate, and
does not constitute disrespect.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katy Love to direct WMF Resources team

[Derek V.Giroulle]

Congratulations to Katy, welcome to your new assignment.

I'm very sorry that  Ruslan Takayev's message got through the moderation
IMHO his  statement and remarks  are not respectful

it was essential to have someone appointed to fill Siko's position 
quickly an obviously
quickly often means someone who is knowledgeable, and acquainted with 
the environment
of the job and role , Katy seems the choice  from a very limited list 
best suited to quickly

assume the responsability

I was very sad, upset even by Sikoś departure - and i would love to turn 
the clock back -
but given the vancay, i'm glad that Katy has been selected imho  she has 
the capability
and the personality to do a good job, she knows the people at WMF and 
she knows the Affiliates



Derek



On 26-02-16 16:54, Maggie Dennis wrote:

Hello, Ruslan.

Yes, Katy is stepping into the role in a permanent, full-time basis.

Determining HR direction is not my role. :) Stating how the Board feels
about open hiring is also not my place (and I don't know). But I am happy
to share my own opinion.


That said, ... leadership of Community Engagement,
... for which I hope to see many community applicants.

Best,

Maggie

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:01 AM, Ruslan Takayev
wrote:


Maggie, et al

Is Katy "stepping into" the role on a full-time, permanent basis?

I ask this question, as questions I asked relating to the "new, open
approach" towards recruitment at the WMF are yet to be answered[1] and I
don't recall there being any advertisements as a call for applications to
fill Siko's position.

TBH, this doesn't sound like a "new, open approach" towards recruitment at
the WMF, but more of the same..."jobs for the boys".

Comment would be welcome Maggie.

Warm regards,

Ruslan Takayev

[1]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/081677.html


On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Maggie Dennis
wrote:


Hello, all.

I am delighted to announce that Katy Love has agreed to step into the

role

of Director of Resources in the Community Engagement department, picking

up

the baton so ably carried by Siko Bouterse before her. Katy has been with
the Wikimedia Foundation since January 2013, beginning as the first

program

officer to work with the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC). I’m

grateful

to her for moving into this role and am looking forward to collaborating
with her closely in WMF’s Community Engagement department.

We will be hiring her replacement to oversee the FDC/full annual plan
grants program in the weeks ahead.

Best regards,

Maggie

P.S. Their page!https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Resources

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