Hello again,
I see that we have an interesting input here.
Let me add further context, not to give any excuses but to put things in
their perspective. This has nothing do to with corporate or jargon Silicon
Valley culture, as I simply don't live in the US, and I don't have any
corporate background :). I come from a design background, and while I am
not a native English speaker, I didn't encounter any previous
misunderstanding with using this word, in context, in the last decade, even
with other non-native speakers.
I now see the relevance of psychology in the use of the word "ideation"
(where regardless of the article quality, we have the word used in both
context
<
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Ideation_%28creative_process%29&limit=500
still)
. Given my non-medical background, and my previous use of the word, without
failing to deliver what I needed to express at any point earlier, I,
therefore, made a choice to include it in my email, which I wrote by myself
without peer review.
I see the point around the Foundation's seemingly repeated pattern of using
words (or abbreviation) that aren't widely understood outside their
context, or by a broader audience. While this is a valid concern, I just
wanted to point out that our case here, is a matter of me failing to choose
a term that isn't apparently jargon, because sometimes it is tricky to
decide.
Again, this is a good lesson on the importance of simplifying and
globalizing my choice of words (oh, globalize could be jargon..no, not
again ;).
Point taken, thanks again everyone.
Moushira
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote:
While I agree with people that it's an uncommon and exclusionary
phrase (and a confusing one!) it seems like Moushira fully
acknowledges this and is going to work harder on this sort of problem
in the future, for which I laud her.
If we want to have a general conversation about language choice at the
WMF, broadly-construed, it seems like it would be best to kick off a
new thread to avoid the appearance of a pileon.
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Derek V.Giroulle
<derekvgirou...@wikimedia.be> wrote:
Hello everyone ,
I agree with Fae and Craig,
It's foreign jargon especially in this context , and on top of that
jargon
form a professional background where the term has been misused (imho)
It has in my jargon the connotation of obsessively recurring idea ,
like
a
depressed patient
always coming back to ideas of suicide : the suicidal ideation
It would be the only place where i would allow fosuch reductive jargon
because it has precise meaning
i wouls never associate it with idea generation or brainstorming what
is
wrong with using those words
as craig indicated : cringe worthy (business) jargon
the mere fact that product design (business ing general) is stealing a
word
form other jargon
show a lack of creativity of innovation
I would like to call on the communications dept to start - and i can
just
picture someone for that task - a campaign
at WMF to ban jargon "simply says it better"
derek
On 16-03-16 04:39, Craig Franklin wrote:
Hi Moushira,
The problem when you use jargon like "ideation" in this context is
that
you're essentially excluding anyone who isn't familiar with the
particular
terminology used in the field. Especially so when there are plenty of
plain-English alternatives that can be used in its place. Note that
there
is a whole bunch of thought from experts that that word in particular
is a
particularly obnoxious piece of jargon:
* http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/26/pf/corporate-jargon/
* https://hbr.org/2008/08/why-jargon-feeds-on-lazy-minds.html
*
http://www.lifed.com/10-cringeworthy-business-jargon-examples-that-should-be-banned
It's hardly the worst example I've seen out of the WMF, but while
we're
on
the topic it should be pointed out. Just because it's used elsewhere,
it
doesn't mean that the WMF has to fall into the same trap.
Cheers,
Craig
On 16 March 2016 at 10:07, Moushira Elamrawy <melamr...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hello Fae,
Ideation phase [0], is a term widely used in product and design
context.
Now, I see your point around how volunteers who are not related to
these
fields, might not be familiar with it. Possibly something like, idea
generation, or brainstorming could have replaced it.
I am not sure though if the factors that you have listed are
relevant;
I
think it is a matter of using a word in a certain context where it
actually
fits, without realizing how a broader audience would perceive it.
In any case, thanks for the note :-)
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideation_%28creative_process%29
Moushira
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 15 March 2016 at 22:33, Moushira Elamrawy <
melamr...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
...
The reading team is launching an experiment that supports early
engagement
in ideation phase, with a wide variety of users.
...
Hi, sorry to target your email with a more general observation,
however there seems to be a lot of odd jargon in Wikimedia
announcements over the last few months. It would be great to see
more
'official' emails aimed at volunteers, written in plain and
grammatically complete English. Phrases like "ideation phase" may be
frequently used during meetings at the Wikimedia Foundation offices,
but are unlikely to be heard in real life by volunteer contributors,
and are unlikely to be easily understood outside of corporate
America,
especially by those without English as their first language.
Sorry again about picking at your announcement rather than any
other,
it just stood out today.
Thanks,
Fae
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