Re: [Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

2017-04-01 Thread David Gerard 
aand it's dead Jim:

http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/otq/whats_up_with_arbital/

The front page is now a "coming soon" for the proposed blogging
platform. Oh well.


- d.



On 11 October 2016 at 22:52, David Gerard  wrote:
> Followup on this: Arbital is still going (recent changes shows
> consistent activity, mostly from MIRI people) and now has the tag line
> "Arbital is the place for crowdsourced, intuitive math explanations."
> This is an area it might actually get somewhere with - en:wp's
> mathematics articles are notoriously opaque and not good for
> explaining a concept to people who don't already understand it. And
> CC-by-sa educational articles on math are a win for everyone.
>
> On 14 March 2016 at 01:03, David Gerard  wrote:
>> Being put together by Eliezer Yudkowsky of LessWrong. Content is
>> cc-by-sa 3.0, don't know about the software.
>>
>> https://arbital.com/p/arbital_ambitions/
>>
>> Rather than the "encyclopedia" approach, it tries to be more
>> pedagogical, teaching the reader at their level.
>>
>> Analysis from a sometime Yudkowsky critic on Tumblr:
>> http://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/140995096534/a-year-ago-i-remember-being-baffled-by-eliezer
>>
>> (there's a pile more comments linked from the notes on that post,
>> mostly from quasi-fans; I have an acerbic comment in there, but you
>> should look at the site yourself first.)
>>
>> No idea if this will go anywhere, but might be of interest; new
>> approaches generally are. They started in December, first publicised
>> it a week ago and have been scaling up. First day it collapsed due to
>> load from a Facebook post announcement ... so maybe hold off before
>> announcing it everywhere :-)
>>
>>
>> - d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

2016-10-11 Thread David Gerard 
Followup on this: Arbital is still going (recent changes shows
consistent activity, mostly from MIRI people) and now has the tag line
"Arbital is the place for crowdsourced, intuitive math explanations."
This is an area it might actually get somewhere with - en:wp's
mathematics articles are notoriously opaque and not good for
explaining a concept to people who don't already understand it. And
CC-by-sa educational articles on math are a win for everyone.

On 14 March 2016 at 01:03, David Gerard  wrote:
> Being put together by Eliezer Yudkowsky of LessWrong. Content is
> cc-by-sa 3.0, don't know about the software.
>
> https://arbital.com/p/arbital_ambitions/
>
> Rather than the "encyclopedia" approach, it tries to be more
> pedagogical, teaching the reader at their level.
>
> Analysis from a sometime Yudkowsky critic on Tumblr:
> http://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/140995096534/a-year-ago-i-remember-being-baffled-by-eliezer
>
> (there's a pile more comments linked from the notes on that post,
> mostly from quasi-fans; I have an acerbic comment in there, but you
> should look at the site yourself first.)
>
> No idea if this will go anywhere, but might be of interest; new
> approaches generally are. They started in December, first publicised
> it a week ago and have been scaling up. First day it collapsed due to
> load from a Facebook post announcement ... so maybe hold off before
> announcing it everywhere :-)
>
>
> - d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

2016-03-14 Thread Mathias Damour 

Le 14/03/2016 02:03, David Gerard a écrit :

Being put together by Eliezer Yudkowsky of LessWrong. Content is
cc-by-sa 3.0, don't know about the software.

https://arbital.com/p/arbital_ambitions/

Rather than the "encyclopedia" approach, it tries to be more
pedagogical, teaching the reader at their level.


The problem of "readers coming in with different levels of background 
knowledge" is actual.
Yet I believe that to elaborate just another (more accessible) level 
resource, however sticking to the "encyclopedia approach" that proved 
successful, is good step to answer this issue.
That's what we do on Vikidia and Wikikids.nl, and young or not-so-young 
readers really appreciate it.
I don't know if one day these contents will be reused and processed to 
automatically generate information that would precisely fit to someone's 
level, yet if it happens once, another material than Wikipedia may help !
The "Wikipedia for children" model works well (in quality, traffic...) 
in at least two languages. I would say that the current most difficult 
thing is to "scale" it in other languages.
That's where some help would have a big impact, say to produce in a way 
or another 10 000 important and quality encyclopedia articles for 
children in some big languages to catch up with the two most developed 
"Wikipedia for children".


More on :
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis_for_children
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids

--
Mathias Damour
mathias.dam...@gmx.fr
[[User:Astirmays]]


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

2016-03-13 Thread Oliver Keyes 
Aye, the user-assessment model is kind of interesting, but agreed.
When I think "who can explain complex things in relateable terms?", my
answer has never been (and will never be) Bayesians.

On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Craig Franklin
 wrote:
> They have correctly identified that a lot of our articles on scientific
> concepts are jargon-filled babble that is unintelligible to anyone who
> isn't already an expert in the field (and if they're an expert, why are
> they consulting an encyclopaedia?), but I'm not that confident that
> Yudkowsky of all people is going to be able to penetrate that and be able
> to explain complex concepts at the level of a layperson.
>
> I will confess that the software looks interesting though.
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
> On 14 March 2016 at 11:03, David Gerard  wrote:
>
>> Being put together by Eliezer Yudkowsky of LessWrong. Content is
>> cc-by-sa 3.0, don't know about the software.
>>
>> https://arbital.com/p/arbital_ambitions/
>>
>> Rather than the "encyclopedia" approach, it tries to be more
>> pedagogical, teaching the reader at their level.
>>
>> Analysis from a sometime Yudkowsky critic on Tumblr:
>>
>> http://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/140995096534/a-year-ago-i-remember-being-baffled-by-eliezer
>>
>> (there's a pile more comments linked from the notes on that post,
>> mostly from quasi-fans; I have an acerbic comment in there, but you
>> should look at the site yourself first.)
>>
>> No idea if this will go anywhere, but might be of interest; new
>> approaches generally are. They started in December, first publicised
>> it a week ago and have been scaling up. First day it collapsed due to
>> load from a Facebook post announcement ... so maybe hold off before
>> announcing it everywhere :-)
>>
>>
>> - d.
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

2016-03-13 Thread Craig Franklin 
They have correctly identified that a lot of our articles on scientific
concepts are jargon-filled babble that is unintelligible to anyone who
isn't already an expert in the field (and if they're an expert, why are
they consulting an encyclopaedia?), but I'm not that confident that
Yudkowsky of all people is going to be able to penetrate that and be able
to explain complex concepts at the level of a layperson.

I will confess that the software looks interesting though.

Cheers,
Craig

On 14 March 2016 at 11:03, David Gerard  wrote:

> Being put together by Eliezer Yudkowsky of LessWrong. Content is
> cc-by-sa 3.0, don't know about the software.
>
> https://arbital.com/p/arbital_ambitions/
>
> Rather than the "encyclopedia" approach, it tries to be more
> pedagogical, teaching the reader at their level.
>
> Analysis from a sometime Yudkowsky critic on Tumblr:
>
> http://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/140995096534/a-year-ago-i-remember-being-baffled-by-eliezer
>
> (there's a pile more comments linked from the notes on that post,
> mostly from quasi-fans; I have an acerbic comment in there, but you
> should look at the site yourself first.)
>
> No idea if this will go anywhere, but might be of interest; new
> approaches generally are. They started in December, first publicised
> it a week ago and have been scaling up. First day it collapsed due to
> load from a Facebook post announcement ... so maybe hold off before
> announcing it everywhere :-)
>
>
> - d.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

2016-03-13 Thread Oliver Keyes 
I for one look forward to the open and inclusive educational
experience provided by people who collectively lose their shit when
presented with a highly improbable AI thought experiment[0]

[0] http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk

On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 9:03 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
> Being put together by Eliezer Yudkowsky of LessWrong. Content is
> cc-by-sa 3.0, don't know about the software.
>
> https://arbital.com/p/arbital_ambitions/
>
> Rather than the "encyclopedia" approach, it tries to be more
> pedagogical, teaching the reader at their level.
>
> Analysis from a sometime Yudkowsky critic on Tumblr:
> http://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/140995096534/a-year-ago-i-remember-being-baffled-by-eliezer
>
> (there's a pile more comments linked from the notes on that post,
> mostly from quasi-fans; I have an acerbic comment in there, but you
> should look at the site yourself first.)
>
> No idea if this will go anywhere, but might be of interest; new
> approaches generally are. They started in December, first publicised
> it a week ago and have been scaling up. First day it collapsed due to
> load from a Facebook post announcement ... so maybe hold off before
> announcing it everywhere :-)
>
>
> - d.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

2016-03-13 Thread David Gerard 
Being put together by Eliezer Yudkowsky of LessWrong. Content is
cc-by-sa 3.0, don't know about the software.

https://arbital.com/p/arbital_ambitions/

Rather than the "encyclopedia" approach, it tries to be more
pedagogical, teaching the reader at their level.

Analysis from a sometime Yudkowsky critic on Tumblr:
http://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/140995096534/a-year-ago-i-remember-being-baffled-by-eliezer

(there's a pile more comments linked from the notes on that post,
mostly from quasi-fans; I have an acerbic comment in there, but you
should look at the site yourself first.)

No idea if this will go anywhere, but might be of interest; new
approaches generally are. They started in December, first publicised
it a week ago and have been scaling up. First day it collapsed due to
load from a Facebook post announcement ... so maybe hold off before
announcing it everywhere :-)


- d.

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