Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Il 27/10/2014 18:51, Yana Welinder ha scritto: Hi folks, I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/ Thanks! This puts an end to discussions and proposals to host that logos on a separate project (such as Allrightsreserved https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Allrightsreserved). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Thanks Yann! We will take care of those files. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just a note: we can update the license on Commons, but I noticed that the files were copied locally on https://wikimediafoundation.org/ Someone with the right priviledges will have to do it there. Regards, Yann 2014-10-30 17:30 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org: Still traveling, but let me see if I can briefly dispel some of the confusion. CC BY-SA 3.0 grants users the right to use an image under copyright law. It does not cover trademark rights. The goal of trademark rights is to protect the logo from being used in a way that confuses the public. Trademark protection only covers certain types of uses, which are not the same as use covered with a copyright license like CC BY-SA 3.0. The Wikimedia trademark policy provides how the logos can be used as trademarks and here is some discussion about why it does that: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy-purpose#trademark-purpose . So are the logos free under the Free Culture Definition? Yes, because the definition only talks about freedom under copyright law and lists CC BY-SA 3.0 as a free license. The definition does not mean that users have freedom to violate other types of rights. Hope this clarifies! Yana On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Allan J. Aguilar ral...@vmail.me wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote: To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy. Thank you, Yana. However, as someone who understand little about copyright and trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific visual guidelines. Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on http://freedomdefined.org) or not? - -- Allan J. Aguilar ral...@vmail.me - ralgis@freenode - al...@jabber.ccc.de PGP: B387 F3B1 0F2C F46B 36AD FAFF 7BC3 594D F7C0 E1A3 OTR: E95CB6E6 22751983 CA8F3F67 3DFACBFF 0FA3A1BC userralgis@Twitter - User:Ralgis@Wikimedia https://editandowikimedia.wordpress.com https://libredebian.wordpress.com https://revistasifra.wordpress.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUUcSBAAoJEHvDWU33wOGjFQMQAKbKFyTy/eTJVZp1N/eRlJaK 2hHUNQVhtUGXWcmRo36bnleEAknhkNUqdO0/J0PdI9UMSTptnUg55WQSmMA5EVuB b+jne6rGspZXd3qJ1h1TLYAfYI86dXMYuqYKRDOPhyWuWJM/XVDsXueCVWu4M9pc 0VD24NKcmRIzjRfwIx972yZUUyv7/xabH2REjBbi0SRpAqmnFKb2/KZHQK0j9l4L HLkO1FXjylAXnLdtZrTy3tvH9XOK/WH/PH2P4uI0aFXvZK8Skw50Iicf2d/6Gn9M pqFiyq0UVozXrRSP/3HKUJPT52Vcxz0+kPxcMhSpUvocbcUvQQGj5/cDur2za7yf BGyvPvCQtaip33YpQK2TDexAD7AxsP273RWc8U654PGnNq11C2Vn+goH5AMXFj13 n+a6q9n4Dw3pO3AjUzIJF+t1nXQfsPCumjVvUTXawF1hEA5qPxAgR+Y3kq69NaPG gMu9hAVSfCf4T/YibKiMHtRKPO4csiJbs1XfpIUFlXVQ7hhR2Urkjccr5RRRM7nw jhXMHCqblfxugGvtORgg3o+SZzQB4FKYhb5QLe6vwev36mGzVRDnzncImaLzo1s+ k3+4yJcPpZONrwAesJ0imC80jiW0IIF0bgRHLCVlh82/f7NN/qmfD2QZUVOdqt+o lx2rVnQe2AlSkeBnwxb5 =Xd7+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Yana Welinder Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6867 @yanatweets https://twitter.com/yanatweets NOTICE: This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
On Oct 30, 2014 6:06 AM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Allan J. Aguilar ral...@vmail.me wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote: To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy. Thank you, Yana. However, as someone who understand little about copyright and trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific visual guidelines. Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on http://freedomdefined.org) or not? I don't think Erik was completely thinking about trademarks when he wrote that but I would say no, essentially nothing covered by a trademark would completely meet that definition. (and there would be major issues in my mind with not covering our major logos by trademark) Even the Creative Commons logos doesn't (for that matter I don't think the CC Logo is even under a CC License, at least not a by-sa one). The license is clear, and wmf is an expert in these licenses . So a previous trademark is void in the respect where it restricts what is defined in the license? Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:48 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: The license is clear, and wmf is an expert in these licenses . So a previous trademark is void in the respect where it restricts what is defined in the license? Rupert I'm sorry, I don't completely understand the question but if I understand it correctly: I do in fact believe that they are experts in these licenses and do in fact know what they are doing here. However copyright law and trademark law are completely independent, you can very easily be allowed to do something under copyright law and not allowed to do it under trademark law (and vice versa) these are completely and utterly independent. The relicensing of the logos (under copyright law) does not affect the trademark policy or any of the Wikimedia Foundation's rights under trademark law... at all. This is just like the fact that the coca-cola logo may or may not be Public Domain copyright wise does not mean that someone can make a soda, slap the coca-cola logo on it and be safe (or, in fact, sell almost anything with the coca-cola logo on it because it's so widely recognized that it would be confusing even outside of the soda sphere). Just as an example to be clear: I don't think i've ever seen the foundation send a takedown to someone using our logos under copyright law, they were always sent because someone was abusing the trademark (pretending to be something official for example). Nothing changes about these takedowns, they are still completely enforceable and completely legitimate. There is no doubt that the distinction between copyright and trademark law can confuse (this is one of the reasons most organizations, including Creative Commons as I said earlier, keep the copyright more restricted) especially since they often use very similar terms (license, intellectual property, registration etc) but in the end it's fairly simple: they do not affect each other. Whether something is copyrighted (or even copyrightable) is completely independent, and unrelated, to whether it is trademarked (or trademarkable). James ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Still traveling, but let me see if I can briefly dispel some of the confusion. CC BY-SA 3.0 grants users the right to use an image under copyright law. It does not cover trademark rights. The goal of trademark rights is to protect the logo from being used in a way that confuses the public. Trademark protection only covers certain types of uses, which are not the same as use covered with a copyright license like CC BY-SA 3.0. The Wikimedia trademark policy provides how the logos can be used as trademarks and here is some discussion about why it does that: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy-purpose#trademark-purpose . So are the logos free under the Free Culture Definition? Yes, because the definition only talks about freedom under copyright law and lists CC BY-SA 3.0 as a free license. The definition does not mean that users have freedom to violate other types of rights. Hope this clarifies! Yana On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Allan J. Aguilar ral...@vmail.me wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote: To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy. Thank you, Yana. However, as someone who understand little about copyright and trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific visual guidelines. Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on http://freedomdefined.org) or not? - -- Allan J. Aguilar ral...@vmail.me - ralgis@freenode - al...@jabber.ccc.de PGP: B387 F3B1 0F2C F46B 36AD FAFF 7BC3 594D F7C0 E1A3 OTR: E95CB6E6 22751983 CA8F3F67 3DFACBFF 0FA3A1BC userralgis@Twitter - User:Ralgis@Wikimedia https://editandowikimedia.wordpress.com https://libredebian.wordpress.com https://revistasifra.wordpress.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUUcSBAAoJEHvDWU33wOGjFQMQAKbKFyTy/eTJVZp1N/eRlJaK 2hHUNQVhtUGXWcmRo36bnleEAknhkNUqdO0/J0PdI9UMSTptnUg55WQSmMA5EVuB b+jne6rGspZXd3qJ1h1TLYAfYI86dXMYuqYKRDOPhyWuWJM/XVDsXueCVWu4M9pc 0VD24NKcmRIzjRfwIx972yZUUyv7/xabH2REjBbi0SRpAqmnFKb2/KZHQK0j9l4L HLkO1FXjylAXnLdtZrTy3tvH9XOK/WH/PH2P4uI0aFXvZK8Skw50Iicf2d/6Gn9M pqFiyq0UVozXrRSP/3HKUJPT52Vcxz0+kPxcMhSpUvocbcUvQQGj5/cDur2za7yf BGyvPvCQtaip33YpQK2TDexAD7AxsP273RWc8U654PGnNq11C2Vn+goH5AMXFj13 n+a6q9n4Dw3pO3AjUzIJF+t1nXQfsPCumjVvUTXawF1hEA5qPxAgR+Y3kq69NaPG gMu9hAVSfCf4T/YibKiMHtRKPO4csiJbs1XfpIUFlXVQ7hhR2Urkjccr5RRRM7nw jhXMHCqblfxugGvtORgg3o+SZzQB4FKYhb5QLe6vwev36mGzVRDnzncImaLzo1s+ k3+4yJcPpZONrwAesJ0imC80jiW0IIF0bgRHLCVlh82/f7NN/qmfD2QZUVOdqt+o lx2rVnQe2AlSkeBnwxb5 =Xd7+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Yana Welinder Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6867 @yanatweets https://twitter.com/yanatweets NOTICE: This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Hi, Just a note: we can update the license on Commons, but I noticed that the files were copied locally on https://wikimediafoundation.org/ Someone with the right priviledges will have to do it there. Regards, Yann 2014-10-30 17:30 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org: Still traveling, but let me see if I can briefly dispel some of the confusion. CC BY-SA 3.0 grants users the right to use an image under copyright law. It does not cover trademark rights. The goal of trademark rights is to protect the logo from being used in a way that confuses the public. Trademark protection only covers certain types of uses, which are not the same as use covered with a copyright license like CC BY-SA 3.0. The Wikimedia trademark policy provides how the logos can be used as trademarks and here is some discussion about why it does that: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy-purpose#trademark-purpose . So are the logos free under the Free Culture Definition? Yes, because the definition only talks about freedom under copyright law and lists CC BY-SA 3.0 as a free license. The definition does not mean that users have freedom to violate other types of rights. Hope this clarifies! Yana On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Allan J. Aguilar ral...@vmail.me wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote: To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy. Thank you, Yana. However, as someone who understand little about copyright and trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific visual guidelines. Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on http://freedomdefined.org) or not? - -- Allan J. Aguilar ral...@vmail.me - ralgis@freenode - al...@jabber.ccc.de PGP: B387 F3B1 0F2C F46B 36AD FAFF 7BC3 594D F7C0 E1A3 OTR: E95CB6E6 22751983 CA8F3F67 3DFACBFF 0FA3A1BC userralgis@Twitter - User:Ralgis@Wikimedia https://editandowikimedia.wordpress.com https://libredebian.wordpress.com https://revistasifra.wordpress.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUUcSBAAoJEHvDWU33wOGjFQMQAKbKFyTy/eTJVZp1N/eRlJaK 2hHUNQVhtUGXWcmRo36bnleEAknhkNUqdO0/J0PdI9UMSTptnUg55WQSmMA5EVuB b+jne6rGspZXd3qJ1h1TLYAfYI86dXMYuqYKRDOPhyWuWJM/XVDsXueCVWu4M9pc 0VD24NKcmRIzjRfwIx972yZUUyv7/xabH2REjBbi0SRpAqmnFKb2/KZHQK0j9l4L HLkO1FXjylAXnLdtZrTy3tvH9XOK/WH/PH2P4uI0aFXvZK8Skw50Iicf2d/6Gn9M pqFiyq0UVozXrRSP/3HKUJPT52Vcxz0+kPxcMhSpUvocbcUvQQGj5/cDur2za7yf BGyvPvCQtaip33YpQK2TDexAD7AxsP273RWc8U654PGnNq11C2Vn+goH5AMXFj13 n+a6q9n4Dw3pO3AjUzIJF+t1nXQfsPCumjVvUTXawF1hEA5qPxAgR+Y3kq69NaPG gMu9hAVSfCf4T/YibKiMHtRKPO4csiJbs1XfpIUFlXVQ7hhR2Urkjccr5RRRM7nw jhXMHCqblfxugGvtORgg3o+SZzQB4FKYhb5QLe6vwev36mGzVRDnzncImaLzo1s+ k3+4yJcPpZONrwAesJ0imC80jiW0IIF0bgRHLCVlh82/f7NN/qmfD2QZUVOdqt+o lx2rVnQe2AlSkeBnwxb5 =Xd7+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Yana Welinder Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6867 @yanatweets https://twitter.com/yanatweets NOTICE: This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
The most simple answer is: this is the nature of Wikimedia.
Same as: Wikidata was requested in 2005, in use since 2012.
And so many things you can name which took multiple years.
But I think this is the nature of Wikimedia. Not in rush to compete with
other parties for the first place, not in the ratrace, but walking behind
on a steady distance without rushing and having a stable development of the
Wikimedia movement.
Romaine
2014-10-29 0:14 GMT+01:00 Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com:
Yay!
I'm pretty sure there is a Jimbo quote somewhere about how the
Wikimedia logos would never ever be made free, and for once I am glad
that he was wrong. Or maybe it was Mike Godwin. Doesn't really
matter who said it, except to say that this seems like a remarkable
turn around compared to the situation in the past.
Though I am curious why it took more than 9 years to get around to
this. (9 years is the oldest discussion complaining about unfree WMF
logos that I could dig up in less than 10 minutes of searching.)
As a practical matter it doesn't seem like any thing has changed from
an external legal perspective. Is it simply that the people running
the WMF today happen to feel more comfortable applying copyleft to the
logos than the people running the Foundation did several years ago?
-Robert
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
wrote:
Done!
Thanks!
Romaine
2014-10-28 21:05 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org:
Good point. That line can now be deleted from the trademark template.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
wrote:
Practical question:
The template:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
}}
instead)
Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
(including all translations)
Romaine
2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
Greetings
Ting
Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos
on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright
by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[2]
and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.
org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that
may
need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Hi Yana,
The blog post is not entirely clear as Wikimedia logo can have a
different meaning in different contexts. Reading the blog post, I can't
define precise what a Wikimedia logo is. Wikimedia logo can mean:
* the logo used by Wikimedia:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia-logo.svg
* this logo and all the derivatives of it (for chapters, Meta, etc)
* all logos of all the Wikimedia wikis, including the Wikipedia logo
The blog post speaks in plural form of logos. And the blog post is speaking
about the MediaWiki and Community logos as exception, which differ much
from the Wikimedia logo, I suspect that the blog post tries to say that all
the logos from Wikipedia, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikinews, Wikibooks,
Wiktionary, Wikidata, Wikispecies, Incubator, Commons, Wikivoyage,
Wikiversity, Wikimania, + all screenshots of wiki pages with the logo of a
Wikimedia-wiki on it, all the derivatives of these logos, including the
Wikimedia family logo.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_logo_family_complete-2013.svg
Can you confirm this, just for the sake of clarity?
Thanks!
Romaine
2014-10-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
The relicensing applies to the Wikimedia logos, which refers to all the
logos of the Wikimedia wikis:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_trademarks. It also applies
to all the derivatives that carry the {{Copyright by Wikimedia}} template
on Commons. Essentially, the objective is to get rid of that last non-free
license template. I'm traveling for a conference, but I will see if I can
clarify the blog post on this as soon as I have better internet connection.
To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark status of
the logos as governed by the new trademark policy:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy.
Best,
Yana
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Yana,
The blog post is not entirely clear as Wikimedia logo can have a
different meaning in different contexts. Reading the blog post, I can't
define precise what a Wikimedia logo is. Wikimedia logo can mean:
* the logo used by Wikimedia:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia-logo.svg
* this logo and all the derivatives of it (for chapters, Meta, etc)
* all logos of all the Wikimedia wikis, including the Wikipedia logo
The blog post speaks in plural form of logos. And the blog post is
speaking about the MediaWiki and Community logos as exception, which differ
much from the Wikimedia logo, I suspect that the blog post tries to say
that all the logos from Wikipedia, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikinews,
Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikidata, Wikispecies, Incubator, Commons,
Wikivoyage, Wikiversity, Wikimania, + all screenshots of wiki pages with
the logo of a Wikimedia-wiki on it, all the derivatives of these logos,
including the Wikimedia family logo.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_logo_family_complete-2013.svg
Can you confirm this, just for the sake of clarity?
Thanks!
Romaine
2014-10-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote: To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy. Thank you, Yana. However, as someone who understand little about copyright and trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific visual guidelines. Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on http://freedomdefined.org) or not? - -- Allan J. Aguilar ral...@vmail.me - ralgis@freenode - al...@jabber.ccc.de PGP: B387 F3B1 0F2C F46B 36AD FAFF 7BC3 594D F7C0 E1A3 OTR: E95CB6E6 22751983 CA8F3F67 3DFACBFF 0FA3A1BC userralgis@Twitter - User:Ralgis@Wikimedia https://editandowikimedia.wordpress.com https://libredebian.wordpress.com https://revistasifra.wordpress.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUUcSBAAoJEHvDWU33wOGjFQMQAKbKFyTy/eTJVZp1N/eRlJaK 2hHUNQVhtUGXWcmRo36bnleEAknhkNUqdO0/J0PdI9UMSTptnUg55WQSmMA5EVuB b+jne6rGspZXd3qJ1h1TLYAfYI86dXMYuqYKRDOPhyWuWJM/XVDsXueCVWu4M9pc 0VD24NKcmRIzjRfwIx972yZUUyv7/xabH2REjBbi0SRpAqmnFKb2/KZHQK0j9l4L HLkO1FXjylAXnLdtZrTy3tvH9XOK/WH/PH2P4uI0aFXvZK8Skw50Iicf2d/6Gn9M pqFiyq0UVozXrRSP/3HKUJPT52Vcxz0+kPxcMhSpUvocbcUvQQGj5/cDur2za7yf BGyvPvCQtaip33YpQK2TDexAD7AxsP273RWc8U654PGnNq11C2Vn+goH5AMXFj13 n+a6q9n4Dw3pO3AjUzIJF+t1nXQfsPCumjVvUTXawF1hEA5qPxAgR+Y3kq69NaPG gMu9hAVSfCf4T/YibKiMHtRKPO4csiJbs1XfpIUFlXVQ7hhR2Urkjccr5RRRM7nw jhXMHCqblfxugGvtORgg3o+SZzQB4FKYhb5QLe6vwev36mGzVRDnzncImaLzo1s+ k3+4yJcPpZONrwAesJ0imC80jiW0IIF0bgRHLCVlh82/f7NN/qmfD2QZUVOdqt+o lx2rVnQe2AlSkeBnwxb5 =Xd7+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Allan J. Aguilar ral...@vmail.me wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote: To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy. Thank you, Yana. However, as someone who understand little about copyright and trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific visual guidelines. Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on http://freedomdefined.org) or not? I don't think Erik was completely thinking about trademarks when he wrote that but I would say no, essentially nothing covered by a trademark would completely meet that definition. (and there would be major issues in my mind with not covering our major logos by trademark) Even the Creative Commons logos doesn't (for that matter I don't think the CC Logo is even under a CC License, at least not a by-sa one). James [not speaking for Legal/WMF etc] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
A nice move indeed, but I am wondering why you not chose the cc-by 4.0?
Rupert
On Oct 27, 2014 6:52 PM, Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Wonderful news! Great!
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:25 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
A nice move indeed, but I am wondering why you not chose the cc-by 4.0?
Rupert
On Oct 27, 2014 6:52 PM, Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
This indeed a great news! Thanks to WMF, especially the legal team.
Cheers
Ali Haidar Khan
FDC Member
Treasurer, Wikimedia Bangladesh
On Oct 27, 2014 11:52 PM, Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
Greetings
Ting
Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may need to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Practical question:
The template:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia}}
instead)
Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
(including all translations)
Romaine
2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
Greetings
Ting
Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.
org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Good point. That line can now be deleted from the trademark template.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
wrote:
Practical question:
The template:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia}}
instead)
Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
(including all translations)
Romaine
2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
Greetings
Ting
Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2]
and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.
org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may
need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Done!
Thanks!
Romaine
2014-10-28 21:05 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org:
Good point. That line can now be deleted from the trademark template.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
wrote:
Practical question:
The template:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia}}
instead)
Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
(including all translations)
Romaine
2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
Greetings
Ting
Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2]
and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.
org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may
need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Yana Welinder wrote: I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/ Hi. I found this blog post pretty confusing. It is not obvious to me which logos we're talking about specifically. We have many logos on Commons (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Copyright_by_Wikimedia has over 4,000 files in it) and while the blog post mentions an extensive review of their copyright status, it's completely unclear to me which specific logos were part of this review. Was this a public review? Are there notes on a wiki somewhere? My best guess is that we're only talking about the images listed here: https://www.wikimedia.org/, though this guess may be wildly inaccurate. The blog post also includes https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ThreeCircles.svg, but I'm honestly not sure why given that the post is about Wikimedia logos and this... isn't a Wikimedia logo, as far as I'm aware. This image's only use seems to be on a silly Meta-Wiki page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Red,_green,_and_blue. As a long-time Wikimedian, I read this blog post and wasn't really sure what was being discussed. I have difficulty imagining that members of the general public fared much better. If the takeaway of this post was that the Wikipedia logo is now released under a free license, I think that message got lost. Lastly, I'm curious how this blog post aligns with a file deletion that took place a week prior. File:Wikipedia puzzle globe 3D render.zip was deleted from wikimediafoundation.org on October 17, 2014 with the reason Trademark - we have copies if needed. I found this deletion troubling given that I'm almost certain that this file was the subject of contentious debate for years prior to finally being published. The May 2013 upload log entries state that the files are from May 2009. The sudden unexplained deletion of a piece of Wikipedia's history leaves me concerned. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
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[Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may need to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
That is wonderful news for outreach evangelists!
A great step indeed!
:)
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Thanks! A much needed and appreciated move!!
Cheers,
Vishnu
On Monday 27 October 2014 11:21 PM, Yana Welinder wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may need to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Great news!
While the title of the Logo in the blogpost links to the unported version,
you link to the US version of cc-by-sa 3.0 when you mention it first in the
text (in the second paragraph). A mistake?
Alice.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Vishnu visdav...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks! A much needed and appreciated move!!
Cheers,
Vishnu
On Monday 27 October 2014 11:21 PM, Yana Welinder wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.
org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Thanks for the catch, Alice! I just changed it in the post.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Alice Wiegand me.ly...@gmail.com wrote:
Great news!
While the title of the Logo in the blogpost links to the unported version,
you link to the US version of cc-by-sa 3.0 when you mention it first in the
text (in the second paragraph). A mistake?
Alice.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Vishnu visdav...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks! A much needed and appreciated move!!
Cheers,
Vishnu
On Monday 27 October 2014 11:21 PM, Yana Welinder wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2]
and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.
org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that may
need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
Thanks,
Yana
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
[5]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0
Hi Yana,
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
This is great news - well done. :-)
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates.
It might be simplest to change the {{Copyright by Wikimedia}} template so that
it just transcludes the trademark template and the CC-BY-SA-3.0 template, e.g.
by replacing its code with that at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/WMF
A better approach, though, would be to update {{Wikimedia trademark}} to make
it clear that the Wikimedia logos are CC-BY-SA, but that the rest of the file
still needs to have an appropriate free license, and then to simply redirect
the copyright template to the trademark template.
Thanks,
Mike
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