Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Sitenotice depends on the project, not country of users. So, users in Italy who is browsing ko.wikipedia.org will not see the banner if it is displayed in sitenotice, which is not the case for CentralNotice. -- Revi https://revi.me -- Sent from Android -- 2015. 8. 25. 오전 2:29에 Strainu strain...@gmail.com님이 작성: 2015-08-18 21:42 GMT+03:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com: Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner. It's more like 85-90% in my experience, but still a lot. *What is the situation?* * The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during the month September. * The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the contest in Italy and needs a banner as well. Why not use the sitenotice? Strainu ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
2015-08-18 21:42 GMT+03:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com: Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner. It's more like 85-90% in my experience, but still a lot. *What is the situation?* * The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during the month September. * The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the contest in Italy and needs a banner as well. Why not use the sitenotice? Strainu ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
I can definitely understand your frustration, Romaine. However, if there is a strong operational reason why the Fundraising team can't move the activity they have planned for Italy in September, then I can't really see what resolution there can be except for sharing the banner space. Normally though one would expect repeated banner impressions to have diminishing returns, rather than increasing returns - so I would expect the impact on Wiki Loves Monuments to be a fair bit less than what you make out. One thing I don't understand though - I thought fundraising banners were set to display ~once per person these days, rather than actually site-wide as they used to - is it not possible to have the (less intrusive) WLM banner displaying for the people who aren't getting the fundraising messages? Thanks, Chris On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Sad news. The title of this thread seems a bit hard, but that is practically the situation as it looks now. *Background* Wiki Loves Monuments is the yearly photo contest since 2010, organised by many local Wikipedia communities and local chapters. For this contest a banner is shown on top of Wikipedia pages in the specific countries to attract attention from the public to participate in enriching Wikipedia with photos of the local cultural heritage. Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner. When there is no banner, the uploads and results drop dramatically, as possible participants are not informed and can't easily find the contest site. Also participants need time to go on location to take photos and see the banner above Wikipedia afterwards to find their way back. *What is the situation?* * The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during the month September. * The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the contest in Italy and needs a banner as well. As there can be shown only one banner at the time, there have been talks about these conflicting banners. Result: Wiki Loves Monuments get only 37,5% of the time, the fundraising banner 62,5% of the time. Now you maybe think that 37,5% of the time is still large, but the appearances are deceptive because of the different ways the banner is used, and because the differences in numbers of upload throughout the month September. Also the banner is not shown at all during two full weeks, important weeks to attract participants. In the end I estimate, based on the usage and issues of previous years, etc, that only 10-15% of the uploads are made in comparison what normally would have been expected. This is what I would call a devastating effect. And this is purely because of bad planning at WMF: * They haven't checked which countries participated continuously the past years. * They haven't informed which countries are likely to participate. * And they say they can't move the fundraising banner to another month, but it is still a mystery why that isn't possible. This same issue was originally the case in two countries, but somehow it was possible to move it for the second country. This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult copyright situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much much much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal contest. The Italian team does a great job this year. *My conclusion* The community is working very hard on improving and expanding the content of Wikipedia by organising Wiki Loves Monuments. I always thought that this was the number one priority of the whole Wikimedia movement. Did I made a wrong assumption somehow? But when it actually matters, the community project bears the bunt. This is sad, very sad. Please all, support the Italian team, they do a great job and deserve a successful contest. Greetings, Romaine PS: I am one of the international organisers of Wiki Loves Monuments this year, but this e-mail is written on my personal account only. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
An excellent idea, Chris. I am curious what are the exact reasons for having the fundraising banner in September. We were always told that December is the best month. It is no secret that many (and which) chapters run the WLM event in September. Maybe the FR team can explain about that, so that we have the bigger picture. Kind regards Ziko Am Mittwoch, 19. August 2015 schrieb Chris Keating : I can definitely understand your frustration, Romaine. However, if there is a strong operational reason why the Fundraising team can't move the activity they have planned for Italy in September, then I can't really see what resolution there can be except for sharing the banner space. Normally though one would expect repeated banner impressions to have diminishing returns, rather than increasing returns - so I would expect the impact on Wiki Loves Monuments to be a fair bit less than what you make out. One thing I don't understand though - I thought fundraising banners were set to display ~once per person these days, rather than actually site-wide as they used to - is it not possible to have the (less intrusive) WLM banner displaying for the people who aren't getting the fundraising messages? Thanks, Chris On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Hi all, Sad news. The title of this thread seems a bit hard, but that is practically the situation as it looks now. *Background* Wiki Loves Monuments is the yearly photo contest since 2010, organised by many local Wikipedia communities and local chapters. For this contest a banner is shown on top of Wikipedia pages in the specific countries to attract attention from the public to participate in enriching Wikipedia with photos of the local cultural heritage. Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner. When there is no banner, the uploads and results drop dramatically, as possible participants are not informed and can't easily find the contest site. Also participants need time to go on location to take photos and see the banner above Wikipedia afterwards to find their way back. *What is the situation?* * The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during the month September. * The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the contest in Italy and needs a banner as well. As there can be shown only one banner at the time, there have been talks about these conflicting banners. Result: Wiki Loves Monuments get only 37,5% of the time, the fundraising banner 62,5% of the time. Now you maybe think that 37,5% of the time is still large, but the appearances are deceptive because of the different ways the banner is used, and because the differences in numbers of upload throughout the month September. Also the banner is not shown at all during two full weeks, important weeks to attract participants. In the end I estimate, based on the usage and issues of previous years, etc, that only 10-15% of the uploads are made in comparison what normally would have been expected. This is what I would call a devastating effect. And this is purely because of bad planning at WMF: * They haven't checked which countries participated continuously the past years. * They haven't informed which countries are likely to participate. * And they say they can't move the fundraising banner to another month, but it is still a mystery why that isn't possible. This same issue was originally the case in two countries, but somehow it was possible to move it for the second country. This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult copyright situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much much much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal contest. The Italian team does a great job this year. *My conclusion* The community is working very hard on improving and expanding the content of Wikipedia by organising Wiki Loves Monuments. I always thought that this was the number one priority of the whole Wikimedia movement. Did I made a wrong assumption somehow? But when it actually matters, the community project bears the bunt. This is sad, very sad. Please all, support the Italian team, they do a great job and deserve a successful contest. Greetings, Romaine PS: I am one of the international organisers of Wiki Loves Monuments this year, but this e-mail is written on my personal account only. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; ?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Am 19.08.2015 11:19 schrieb Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com: [sorry for cross-posting] Hello everyone. Thanks Romaine for bringing up this issue, because it's good to talk these kind of things together with the whole community. It's a way to improve collaboration, I hope. Yes, this year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we reached an agreement in which * 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner * 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner * 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between the WLM campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers will see a fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM campaign.) We asked also a bigger percentage of visibility during the last 2-3 days of September, as they are very important days in terms of number of photo uploads: we'll see if we manage to find an agreement also there. I'd like to declare that the conversation with the fundraising team have been nothing less than polite and contructive: at the same time, there *is* a banner conflict, and we will both suffer from this. Last year (WLM 2014) we had the same problem, but in the end FR decided to leave us the banner for the whole September, but the final days. This year the conflict is on the whole month of September, and WLM in Italy will definitely suffer (as it does also in normal conditions ;-). This is a pity because: * FR decided to use September months ago, and they are now in a rush and cannot really change their plans How ridiculous. As if WMF would urgently need this money from Italy and as if it's hard work to change the date when some fundraising banners are shown to October. * WMIT decided to run WLM on September months ago as well, as it has done for the past 4 years. WMIT also declared his plans on WLM in the FDC appplication, reviewed in May. Knowing also that last year there was the same issue, it's fair to say, I hope, that from WMIT part there was no lack of communication. I agree with Maarten that, in the end, it's WMF decision the one that counts. This is why we were firm in stating our position but did not put up a fight (or a scene). We manage to reach a more favorable agreement for WLM (we asked for the first and last week of September, as they are in our opinion the most important). What we plan to do now is discussing the issue also with the Funds Dissemination Committee, as it will impact our goals and figures and metrics. Moreover, we do have sponsors in Italy for WLM, and it will not be easy to explain them if numbers drop dramatically. Lorenzo will explain to you what WLM means in terms of organization and management in Italy. Of course, this is the last time this problem has to happen. If the WMF is committed in running the FR banner in September in Italy (it seems it's the most favorable month), WMIT will have to change WLM and run it in October. I don't see other solutions. I hope this mail cleared a bit the situation. Cheers Andrea Zanni Wikimedia Italia On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these things? Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned properly and not crippled at the last minute? Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Liam Wyatt Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015 10:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip attolip...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly? The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for the 2015-16 fundraiser at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas Some of the feedback is perennial - we have the same debates every year. But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that people use it. -Liam -- wittylama.com Peace, love metadata ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4392/10462 - Release Date: 08/18/15 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
[sorry for cross-posting] Hello everyone. Thanks Romaine for bringing up this issue, because it's good to talk these kind of things together with the whole community. It's a way to improve collaboration, I hope. Yes, this year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we reached an agreement in which * 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner * 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner * 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between the WLM campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers will see a fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM campaign.) We asked also a bigger percentage of visibility during the last 2-3 days of September, as they are very important days in terms of number of photo uploads: we'll see if we manage to find an agreement also there. I'd like to declare that the conversation with the fundraising team have been nothing less than polite and contructive: at the same time, there *is* a banner conflict, and we will both suffer from this. Last year (WLM 2014) we had the same problem, but in the end FR decided to leave us the banner for the whole September, but the final days. This year the conflict is on the whole month of September, and WLM in Italy will definitely suffer (as it does also in normal conditions ;-). This is a pity because: * FR decided to use September months ago, and they are now in a rush and cannot really change their plans * WMIT decided to run WLM on September months ago as well, as it has done for the past 4 years. WMIT also declared his plans on WLM in the FDC appplication, reviewed in May. Knowing also that last year there was the same issue, it's fair to say, I hope, that from WMIT part there was no lack of communication. I agree with Maarten that, in the end, it's WMF decision the one that counts. This is why we were firm in stating our position but did not put up a fight (or a scene). We manage to reach a more favorable agreement for WLM (we asked for the first and last week of September, as they are in our opinion the most important). What we plan to do now is discussing the issue also with the Funds Dissemination Committee, as it will impact our goals and figures and metrics. Moreover, we do have sponsors in Italy for WLM, and it will not be easy to explain them if numbers drop dramatically. Lorenzo will explain to you what WLM means in terms of organization and management in Italy. Of course, this is the last time this problem has to happen. If the WMF is committed in running the FR banner in September in Italy (it seems it's the most favorable month), WMIT will have to change WLM and run it in October. I don't see other solutions. I hope this mail cleared a bit the situation. Cheers Andrea Zanni Wikimedia Italia On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these things? Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned properly and not crippled at the last minute? Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Liam Wyatt Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015 10:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip attolip...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly? The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for the 2015-16 fundraiser at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas Some of the feedback is perennial - we have the same debates every year. But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that people use it. -Liam -- wittylama.com Peace, love metadata ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4392/10462 - Release Date: 08/18/15 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Il giorno mar, 18/08/2015 alle 20.42 +0200, Romaine Wiki ha scritto: [...] This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult copyright situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much much much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal contest. The Italian team does a great job this year. Since probably most people in wikimedia-l are not aware of this, I'll add some background on the Italian situation an Wiki loves monuments, and why it's actually extra sad for Italy in particular. Wiki loves monuments is a big global project (one of the most successful ever), but in Italy it's a bit peculiar. The basic issue is that in Italy not only we don't have freedom of panorama, but there is actually a law that prohibits to take pictures of monuments, unless you get a specific authorization (and of course there is no list of Italian monuments and no simple way to know who is responsible for a specific monument). Since we are not people easy to stop, four years ago we decided to start asking for authorizations: we wrote to thousands of municipalities and other institutions. But every cloud has a silver lining, and we turned this problem into an occasion to build relationships. For this year's edition, we secured authorizations from 200 municipalities and 100 other institutions (so far); and with part of them we are organizing events (~40) during September. This is a huge work: apart from the many volunteers involved, we have a full time employee for WLM (Cristian Cenci) but actually also the rest of our staff is dedicating a lot of time to this (summing up, 1,5-2 FTEs as a yearly average). In particular, the budget of WLM in Italy is probably higher than in any other country (not because we waste money, but because of higher stakes). Clearly having specific authorizations is not the ideal solution, so we are actually advocating for a change in the law. Apart from taking part in the European effort on copyright (the FKAGEU), we are are trying to make the Italian politicians understand the issue (among other things, we have recently had an event in the Italian parliament). In short, this means that WLM in Italy is planned long ahead, we have hundreds of institutional partner, and it is central to our strategy. Lorenzo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these things? Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned properly and not crippled at the last minute? Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Liam Wyatt Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015 10:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip attolip...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly? The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for the 2015-16 fundraiser at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas Some of the feedback is perennial - we have the same debates every year. But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that people use it. -Liam -- wittylama.com Peace, love metadata ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4392/10462 - Release Date: 08/18/15 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Hi Lisa, This is kind of confusing. Can you explain why Fundraising can't alter its fundraising schedule for Italy in order to accomodate the WLM annual community activity? Thanks, Pine On Aug 18, 2015 11:42 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Sad news. The title of this thread seems a bit hard, but that is practically the situation as it looks now. *Background* Wiki Loves Monuments is the yearly photo contest since 2010, organised by many local Wikipedia communities and local chapters. For this contest a banner is shown on top of Wikipedia pages in the specific countries to attract attention from the public to participate in enriching Wikipedia with photos of the local cultural heritage. Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner. When there is no banner, the uploads and results drop dramatically, as possible participants are not informed and can't easily find the contest site. Also participants need time to go on location to take photos and see the banner above Wikipedia afterwards to find their way back. *What is the situation?* * The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during the month September. * The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the contest in Italy and needs a banner as well. As there can be shown only one banner at the time, there have been talks about these conflicting banners. Result: Wiki Loves Monuments get only 37,5% of the time, the fundraising banner 62,5% of the time. Now you maybe think that 37,5% of the time is still large, but the appearances are deceptive because of the different ways the banner is used, and because the differences in numbers of upload throughout the month September. Also the banner is not shown at all during two full weeks, important weeks to attract participants. In the end I estimate, based on the usage and issues of previous years, etc, that only 10-15% of the uploads are made in comparison what normally would have been expected. This is what I would call a devastating effect. And this is purely because of bad planning at WMF: * They haven't checked which countries participated continuously the past years. * They haven't informed which countries are likely to participate. * And they say they can't move the fundraising banner to another month, but it is still a mystery why that isn't possible. This same issue was originally the case in two countries, but somehow it was possible to move it for the second country. This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult copyright situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much much much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal contest. The Italian team does a great job this year. *My conclusion* The community is working very hard on improving and expanding the content of Wikipedia by organising Wiki Loves Monuments. I always thought that this was the number one priority of the whole Wikimedia movement. Did I made a wrong assumption somehow? But when it actually matters, the community project bears the bunt. This is sad, very sad. Please all, support the Italian team, they do a great job and deserve a successful contest. Greetings, Romaine PS: I am one of the international organisers of Wiki Loves Monuments this year, but this e-mail is written on my personal account only. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Hi all, Sad news. The title of this thread seems a bit hard, but that is practically the situation as it looks now. *Background* Wiki Loves Monuments is the yearly photo contest since 2010, organised by many local Wikipedia communities and local chapters. For this contest a banner is shown on top of Wikipedia pages in the specific countries to attract attention from the public to participate in enriching Wikipedia with photos of the local cultural heritage. Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner. When there is no banner, the uploads and results drop dramatically, as possible participants are not informed and can't easily find the contest site. Also participants need time to go on location to take photos and see the banner above Wikipedia afterwards to find their way back. *What is the situation?* * The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during the month September. * The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the contest in Italy and needs a banner as well. As there can be shown only one banner at the time, there have been talks about these conflicting banners. Result: Wiki Loves Monuments get only 37,5% of the time, the fundraising banner 62,5% of the time. Now you maybe think that 37,5% of the time is still large, but the appearances are deceptive because of the different ways the banner is used, and because the differences in numbers of upload throughout the month September. Also the banner is not shown at all during two full weeks, important weeks to attract participants. In the end I estimate, based on the usage and issues of previous years, etc, that only 10-15% of the uploads are made in comparison what normally would have been expected. This is what I would call a devastating effect. And this is purely because of bad planning at WMF: * They haven't checked which countries participated continuously the past years. * They haven't informed which countries are likely to participate. * And they say they can't move the fundraising banner to another month, but it is still a mystery why that isn't possible. This same issue was originally the case in two countries, but somehow it was possible to move it for the second country. This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult copyright situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much much much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal contest. The Italian team does a great job this year. *My conclusion* The community is working very hard on improving and expanding the content of Wikipedia by organising Wiki Loves Monuments. I always thought that this was the number one priority of the whole Wikimedia movement. Did I made a wrong assumption somehow? But when it actually matters, the community project bears the bunt. This is sad, very sad. Please all, support the Italian team, they do a great job and deserve a successful contest. Greetings, Romaine PS: I am one of the international organisers of Wiki Loves Monuments this year, but this e-mail is written on my personal account only. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip attolip...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly? The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for the 2015-16 fundraiser at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas Some of the feedback is perennial - we have the same debates every year. But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that people use it. -Liam -- wittylama.com Peace, love metadata ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
