Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images

2016-09-01 Thread Jane Darnell 
Yes I am talking about the wait, not the data limit. Sometimes people just
want the lead paragraph text and don't want to wait for images in the rest
of the article. We have lots of very long articles on English Wikipedia,
sometimes dotted with images as well. Wikipedians who work on them tend to
have very fast, high quality connections and never stop to think whether
their beautiful long article is making some reader wait who has a slow
connection.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:

> On a slow desktop connection, lazy-loading is generally the opposite of
> what you want - unlike mobile, there's usually no data limit, it just takes
> awhile getting the data. A common pattern is thus to start a large page
> loading and then do something else, or just wait for it to finish then.
> It's like buffering video, so that way you have it all there when you
> actually go to it, and when it finishes, it's done. Lazy loading prevents
> such an uninterrupted experience by forcing the user to instead sit through
> every slow-loading image/section, with no way to avoid it.
>
> For mobile, though, where you need to worry about running out of data but
> generally have much faster speeds, lazy loading makes a lot more sense.
> It's great that we have it here!
>
> -I
>
> On 26/08/16 16:47, Jane Darnell wrote:
>
>> Interesting to see the drop in bytes sent to the Japan article and this
>> makes me think we should "fold up" article sections on desktop too for
>> very
>> long articles, such as the Japan article. The benefits for mobile are
>> obvious, but this may be beneficial for slow desktop connections as well.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Jon Robson 
>> Date: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:20 PM
>> Subject: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images
>> To: mobile-l , Wikimedia developers <
>> wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>
>>
>> FYI after much experimentation, research and testing the mobile site has
>> been lazy loading images [1] since Thursday 18th August. This means if you
>> do not see an image you will not download it. We have taken care to ensure
>> users without JavaScript can still view images and that most users will
>> barely notice the difference.
>>
>> We are currently crunching the data this change has made and we plan to
>> write a blog post to reporting the results.
>>
>> In our experiments on Japanese Wikipedia we saw a drop in image bytes per
>> page view by 54% On the Japanese Japan article bytes shipped to users
>> dropped from 1.443 MB to 142 kB.
>>
>> This is pretty huge since bytes equate to money [3] and we expect this to
>> be significant on wikis where mobile data is more expensive. In a nutshell
>> Wikipedia mobile is cheaper.
>>
>> As I said blog post to follow once we have more information, but please
>> report any bugs you are seeing with the implementation (we have already
>> found a few thanks to our community of editors).
>>
>> ~Jon
>>
>> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Projects/
>> Performance/Lazy_loading_images
>> [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Lazy_loading_
>> of_images_on_Japanese_Wikipedia
>> [3] https://whatdoesmysitecost.com/
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images

2016-09-01 Thread Isarra Yos 
On a slow desktop connection, lazy-loading is generally the opposite of 
what you want - unlike mobile, there's usually no data limit, it just 
takes awhile getting the data. A common pattern is thus to start a large 
page loading and then do something else, or just wait for it to finish 
then. It's like buffering video, so that way you have it all there when 
you actually go to it, and when it finishes, it's done. Lazy loading 
prevents such an uninterrupted experience by forcing the user to instead 
sit through every slow-loading image/section, with no way to avoid it.


For mobile, though, where you need to worry about running out of data 
but generally have much faster speeds, lazy loading makes a lot more 
sense. It's great that we have it here!


-I

On 26/08/16 16:47, Jane Darnell wrote:

Interesting to see the drop in bytes sent to the Japan article and this
makes me think we should "fold up" article sections on desktop too for very
long articles, such as the Japan article. The benefits for mobile are
obvious, but this may be beneficial for slow desktop connections as well.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Jon Robson 
Date: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:20 PM
Subject: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images
To: mobile-l , Wikimedia developers <
wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org>


FYI after much experimentation, research and testing the mobile site has
been lazy loading images [1] since Thursday 18th August. This means if you
do not see an image you will not download it. We have taken care to ensure
users without JavaScript can still view images and that most users will
barely notice the difference.

We are currently crunching the data this change has made and we plan to
write a blog post to reporting the results.

In our experiments on Japanese Wikipedia we saw a drop in image bytes per
page view by 54% On the Japanese Japan article bytes shipped to users
dropped from 1.443 MB to 142 kB.

This is pretty huge since bytes equate to money [3] and we expect this to
be significant on wikis where mobile data is more expensive. In a nutshell
Wikipedia mobile is cheaper.

As I said blog post to follow once we have more information, but please
report any bugs you are seeing with the implementation (we have already
found a few thanks to our community of editors).

~Jon

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Projects/
Performance/Lazy_loading_images
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Lazy_loading_
of_images_on_Japanese_Wikipedia
[3] https://whatdoesmysitecost.com/



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images

2016-08-26 Thread Jane Darnell 
Um actually I meant folding the sections up in long articles in the default
desktop version, not the "desktop" option on mobile

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:08 PM, James Heilman  wrote:

> Yes reducing page weight is important work. Glad to see progress. With
> respect to "folding up" sections on desktop, how many people are using
> desktop on mobile?
>
> Might be good to have "folding up" as an option? When I travel gmail gives
> me the option to load the low bandwidth version of their email service.
> Could we do the same? Basically have two versions of the desktop version
> depending connection speeds?
>
> James
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Adele Vrana 
> wrote:
>
> > Huge congratulations to the team! I can't wait to see the data and
> blogpost
> > on this. A cheaper Wikipedia mobile will go a long way to help us address
> > the data affordability barrier, attract new Wikipedia Zero partners and
> > bring in new readers.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:
> >
> > > Interesting to see the drop in bytes sent to the Japan article and this
> > > makes me think we should "fold up" article sections on desktop too for
> > very
> > > long articles, such as the Japan article. The benefits for mobile are
> > > obvious, but this may be beneficial for slow desktop connections as
> well.
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: Jon Robson 
> > > Date: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:20 PM
> > > Subject: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images
> > > To: mobile-l , Wikimedia developers <
> > > wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org>
> > >
> > >
> > > FYI after much experimentation, research and testing the mobile site
> has
> > > been lazy loading images [1] since Thursday 18th August. This means if
> > you
> > > do not see an image you will not download it. We have taken care to
> > ensure
> > > users without JavaScript can still view images and that most users will
> > > barely notice the difference.
> > >
> > > We are currently crunching the data this change has made and we plan to
> > > write a blog post to reporting the results.
> > >
> > > In our experiments on Japanese Wikipedia we saw a drop in image bytes
> per
> > > page view by 54% On the Japanese Japan article bytes shipped to users
> > > dropped from 1.443 MB to 142 kB.
> > >
> > > This is pretty huge since bytes equate to money [3] and we expect this
> to
> > > be significant on wikis where mobile data is more expensive. In a
> > nutshell
> > > Wikipedia mobile is cheaper.
> > >
> > > As I said blog post to follow once we have more information, but please
> > > report any bugs you are seeing with the implementation (we have already
> > > found a few thanks to our community of editors).
> > >
> > > ~Jon
> > >
> > > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Projects/
> > > Performance/Lazy_loading_images
> > > [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Lazy_loading_
> > > of_images_on_Japanese_Wikipedia
> > > [3] https://whatdoesmysitecost.com/
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images

2016-08-26 Thread James Heilman 
Yes reducing page weight is important work. Glad to see progress. With
respect to "folding up" sections on desktop, how many people are using
desktop on mobile?

Might be good to have "folding up" as an option? When I travel gmail gives
me the option to load the low bandwidth version of their email service.
Could we do the same? Basically have two versions of the desktop version
depending connection speeds?

James

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Adele Vrana  wrote:

> Huge congratulations to the team! I can't wait to see the data and blogpost
> on this. A cheaper Wikipedia mobile will go a long way to help us address
> the data affordability barrier, attract new Wikipedia Zero partners and
> bring in new readers.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:
>
> > Interesting to see the drop in bytes sent to the Japan article and this
> > makes me think we should "fold up" article sections on desktop too for
> very
> > long articles, such as the Japan article. The benefits for mobile are
> > obvious, but this may be beneficial for slow desktop connections as well.
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Jon Robson 
> > Date: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:20 PM
> > Subject: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images
> > To: mobile-l , Wikimedia developers <
> > wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org>
> >
> >
> > FYI after much experimentation, research and testing the mobile site has
> > been lazy loading images [1] since Thursday 18th August. This means if
> you
> > do not see an image you will not download it. We have taken care to
> ensure
> > users without JavaScript can still view images and that most users will
> > barely notice the difference.
> >
> > We are currently crunching the data this change has made and we plan to
> > write a blog post to reporting the results.
> >
> > In our experiments on Japanese Wikipedia we saw a drop in image bytes per
> > page view by 54% On the Japanese Japan article bytes shipped to users
> > dropped from 1.443 MB to 142 kB.
> >
> > This is pretty huge since bytes equate to money [3] and we expect this to
> > be significant on wikis where mobile data is more expensive. In a
> nutshell
> > Wikipedia mobile is cheaper.
> >
> > As I said blog post to follow once we have more information, but please
> > report any bugs you are seeing with the implementation (we have already
> > found a few thanks to our community of editors).
> >
> > ~Jon
> >
> > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Projects/
> > Performance/Lazy_loading_images
> > [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Lazy_loading_
> > of_images_on_Japanese_Wikipedia
> > [3] https://whatdoesmysitecost.com/
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images

2016-08-26 Thread Adele Vrana 
Huge congratulations to the team! I can't wait to see the data and blogpost
on this. A cheaper Wikipedia mobile will go a long way to help us address
the data affordability barrier, attract new Wikipedia Zero partners and
bring in new readers.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Interesting to see the drop in bytes sent to the Japan article and this
> makes me think we should "fold up" article sections on desktop too for very
> long articles, such as the Japan article. The benefits for mobile are
> obvious, but this may be beneficial for slow desktop connections as well.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Jon Robson 
> Date: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:20 PM
> Subject: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images
> To: mobile-l , Wikimedia developers <
> wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org>
>
>
> FYI after much experimentation, research and testing the mobile site has
> been lazy loading images [1] since Thursday 18th August. This means if you
> do not see an image you will not download it. We have taken care to ensure
> users without JavaScript can still view images and that most users will
> barely notice the difference.
>
> We are currently crunching the data this change has made and we plan to
> write a blog post to reporting the results.
>
> In our experiments on Japanese Wikipedia we saw a drop in image bytes per
> page view by 54% On the Japanese Japan article bytes shipped to users
> dropped from 1.443 MB to 142 kB.
>
> This is pretty huge since bytes equate to money [3] and we expect this to
> be significant on wikis where mobile data is more expensive. In a nutshell
> Wikipedia mobile is cheaper.
>
> As I said blog post to follow once we have more information, but please
> report any bugs you are seeing with the implementation (we have already
> found a few thanks to our community of editors).
>
> ~Jon
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Projects/
> Performance/Lazy_loading_images
> [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Lazy_loading_
> of_images_on_Japanese_Wikipedia
> [3] https://whatdoesmysitecost.com/
>
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