[Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia in the Classroom (Queensland project)
Okay, it looks like the the Wiki has been fixed, so here goes: Over the past few months, a few of us up here in Brisbane have been developing a programme and materials to do presentations to teachers and schools. It's been our observation that while many teachers have negative views about Wikipedia, these can be fairly easily dispelled by standing in front of them and talking about who we are, what we do, and putting some misconceptions right. It's also a good way to showcase our lesser-known projects; while most know Wikipedia, they don't know about Wiktionary and Wikisource, even though those can be valuable resources as well. I've placed a PDF of the most recent presentation we did up on the chapter site. The thumbnails don't appear to work, but if you click on the filename you can download a complete PDF of my Powerpoint: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Overview_Presentation_For_Sc hools.pdf Our first presentation was in early April at Redcliffe State High School. Feedback was very positive and once we sat down and talked Wiki for an hour, the teachers wanted to get involved with either using our content, or doing projects which would involve working collaboratively with us. I'll sum up the exact feedback in a future mail, but when they thought about it they also had a lot of ideas that I think are quite exciting and I'd be interested in going further with. The challenges I can see in the future is finding more places to do the presentation (we are lucky to have a member of the chapter who is a teacher at said school), and following up effectively and quickly on teacher ideas. The other issue I suppose I have is that I'm only one man, I have a fulltime job, and generally speaking pupil-free days are the only time when we can do these, which limits us to a handful of events a year. This can be dealt with by either convincing teachers and educators to come to night classes, or training up other people who can take time off work or whatever to go and do the presentation. Anyway, feel free to have a look at the presentation slides and I'll be happy to answer any questions you have at this stage. Cheers, Craig -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Ewart Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 8:50 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? Craig, please, please, please do write up on the wiki what you've been doing. I think it's very important for the chapter's health to see what members are achieving in their local communities. On 5/5/10, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Well, there's stuff going on. My little Wikipedia in the Classroom project has been boiling away pretty nicely (I really ought to update the page on the chapter site about that.), but it's mainly foundation-building stuff that'll let us pull of bigger things in the future. And as for grants, again, the outlay for my project has been about $20 so far, which included my petrol to drive to the venues and to purchase some mints to hand out. You don't need a big fat grant to pull off something worthwhile. Cheers, Craig From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of private musings Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 7:30 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run' - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try and get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth trying is a different question, I guess :-) 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications' - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be able to get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions and activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as a membership - hopefully we can get the ball rolling anyways ahead of future grant applications etc. 'Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for him to be globally banned' - this is not accurate - Jimbo never called me a troll, nor did he call for me to be globally banned - please take greater care in raising comments about me personally as oppose to my posts however; 'PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money' - sure ;-) - as I mentioned I'd rather just try and help / chivvy / expedite existing efforts - my concern is to make sure that
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That seems to be a very solid presentation, most of my teachers I have seem to be reasonably adept at being able to use Wikipedia and understand how to make sure an article is accurate and the usefulness of it as a spring board to other references. That said, I know there are teachers out there who are incredibly anti-Wikipedia and a presentation like this could go a long way into being able to get teachers to understand what Wikipedia is and isn't. Best of luck with your project. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Okay, it looks like the the Wiki has been fixed, so here goes: Over the past few months, a few of us up here in Brisbane have been developing a programme and materials to do presentations to teachers and schools. It's been our observation that while many teachers have negative views about Wikipedia, these can be fairly easily dispelled by standing in front of them and talking about who we are, what we do, and putting some misconceptions right. It's also a good way to showcase our lesser-known projects; while most know Wikipedia, they don't know about Wiktionary and Wikisource, even though those can be valuable resources as well. I've placed a PDF of the most recent presentation we did up on the chapter site. The thumbnails don't appear to work, but if you click on the filename you can download a complete PDF of my Powerpoint: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Overview_Presentation_For_Sc hools.pdf Our first presentation was in early April at Redcliffe State High School. Feedback was very positive and once we sat down and talked Wiki for an hour, the teachers wanted to get involved with either using our content, or doing projects which would involve working collaboratively with us. I'll sum up the exact feedback in a future mail, but when they thought about it they also had a lot of ideas that I think are quite exciting and I'd be interested in going further with. The challenges I can see in the future is finding more places to do the presentation (we are lucky to have a member of the chapter who is a teacher at said school), and following up effectively and quickly on teacher ideas. The other issue I suppose I have is that I'm only one man, I have a fulltime job, and generally speaking pupil-free days are the only time when we can do these, which limits us to a handful of events a year. This can be dealt with by either convincing teachers and educators to come to night classes, or training up other people who can take time off work or whatever to go and do the presentation. Anyway, feel free to have a look at the presentation slides and I'll be happy to answer any questions you have at this stage. Cheers, Craig -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Ewart Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 8:50 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? Craig, please, please, please do write up on the wiki what you've been doing. I think it's very important for the chapter's health to see what members are achieving in their local communities. On 5/5/10, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Well, there's stuff going on. My little Wikipedia in the Classroom project has been boiling away pretty nicely (I really ought to update the page on the chapter site about that.), but it's mainly foundation-building stuff that'll let us pull of bigger things in the future. And as for grants, again, the outlay for my project has been about $20 so far, which included my petrol to drive to the venues and to purchase some mints to hand out. You don't need a big fat grant to pull off something worthwhile. Cheers, Craig From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of private musings Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 7:30 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the proposed project will be run' - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try and get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth trying is a different question, I guess :-) 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted out as carefully as possible before submitting applications' - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be able to get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions and activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as
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Excellent job Craig - it's a great model for member-driven outreach projects and I wish you the best of luck. The issue with being able to present stuff to people who work (or are available) 9-5 in work time is always a challenge - it's one we hit with unrelated projects in Perth. (replying to Craig and Bryce) People fear what they don't understand - and we're competing for air with a media that (with some notable exceptions) loves to predict our demise and overstate internal dramas on the project. Also as Craig says many teachers don't even know the other projects exist, and those may be of direct use to them in other ways. kindest regards Andrew On 10 May 2010 17:15, Bryce Roney br...@bryceroney.com wrote: That seems to be a very solid presentation, most of my teachers I have seem to be reasonably adept at being able to use Wikipedia and understand how to make sure an article is accurate and the usefulness of it as a spring board to other references. That said, I know there are teachers out there who are incredibly anti-Wikipedia and a presentation like this could go a long way into being able to get teachers to understand what Wikipedia is and isn't. Best of luck with your project. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Okay, it looks like the the Wiki has been fixed, so here goes: Over the past few months, a few of us up here in Brisbane have been developing a programme and materials to do presentations to teachers and schools. It's been our observation that while many teachers have negative views about Wikipedia, these can be fairly easily dispelled by standing in front of them and talking about who we are, what we do, and putting some misconceptions right. It's also a good way to showcase our lesser-known projects; while most know Wikipedia, they don't know about Wiktionary and Wikisource, even though those can be valuable resources as well. I've placed a PDF of the most recent presentation we did up on the chapter site. The thumbnails don't appear to work, but if you click on the filename you can download a complete PDF of my Powerpoint: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Overview_Presentation_For_Sc hools.pdfhttp://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Overview_Presentation_For_Schools.pdf Our first presentation was in early April at Redcliffe State High School. Feedback was very positive and once we sat down and talked Wiki for an hour, the teachers wanted to get involved with either using our content, or doing projects which would involve working collaboratively with us. I'll sum up the exact feedback in a future mail, but when they thought about it they also had a lot of ideas that I think are quite exciting and I'd be interested in going further with. The challenges I can see in the future is finding more places to do the presentation (we are lucky to have a member of the chapter who is a teacher at said school), and following up effectively and quickly on teacher ideas. The other issue I suppose I have is that I'm only one man, I have a fulltime job, and generally speaking pupil-free days are the only time when we can do these, which limits us to a handful of events a year. This can be dealt with by either convincing teachers and educators to come to night classes, or training up other people who can take time off work or whatever to go and do the presentation. Anyway, feel free to have a look at the presentation slides and I'll be happy to answer any questions you have at this stage. Cheers, Craig -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Ewart Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 8:50 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? Craig, please, please, please do write up on the wiki what you've been doing. I think it's very important for the chapter's health to see what members are achieving in their local communities. On 5/5/10, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Well, there's stuff going on. My little Wikipedia in the Classroom project has been boiling away pretty nicely (I really ought to update the page on the chapter site about that.), but it's mainly foundation-building stuff that'll let us pull of bigger things in the future. And as for grants, again, the outlay for my project has been about $20 so far, which included my petrol to drive to the venues and to purchase some mints to hand out. You don't need a big fat grant to pull off something worthwhile. Cheers, Craig From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of private musings Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 7:30 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year? 'Grant applications are serious, not something
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Hi Bryce, Thanks for your feedback. I must say that that hasn't particularly been my experience with teachers, the usual response is along the lines of Oh, Wikipedia, isn't that the site where anyone can write anything? Nobody in the group I presented to was overtly anti-Wikipedia (or if they were, they kept it to themselves), but they did have what we would consider to be fairly basic questions about how we deal with vandalism, how reliable we are, etc etc. Obviously it would be good if we can calm some of the irrational fears of the anti-Wikipedia people and bring them around to our side, which is a definite goal for me of the whole project. Another point that they were generally speaking unaware of was the open licensing nature of everything we do, there was a few quiet 'Wow!'s in the room when I mentioned that. We even had one guy who knew quite a bit about the concepts of open source software who wasn't aware that Wikipedia was under CC-BY-SA. And of course, they didn't know about any of our projects except Wikipedia (although someone thought that WikiAnswers was one of ours). With that said, they did seem fairly uninterested in the bit about featured content and audited content and whatnot, while it's a good barometer of how far along the project is progressing, they didn't seem to see how that was relevant to what they did as educators. On the other hand, they did like me going over categories and the other technical doodads (it's not in the presentation, but we dropped out at that point for a bit and I started navigating around the site itself) - even if they were somewhat aware of these features I think they liked having someone who was in the know explain how it all worked. The next presentation I do will probably take that into account and I'll probably replace slides 24 through 26 with a simpler explanation of the article grading scale (ie: FA, GA, B, C, Start, Stub), and spend more time talking about possible ways they can actually work with us; because that seemed to be something they were VERY interested in. In short though, I think being able to stand in front of them in a classroom and talk Wiki for an hour showed that we're not just a two bit website staffed by antisocial nerds, and made us look a bit more solid and trustworthy. Being out there and doing these presentations might yet turn out to be more important than the actual content of the presentations. Cheers, Craig F. PS: I'm CCing this to the members list, simply because I know there are some people who are on one mailing list but not the other. Feel free both to jump in and discuss! From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Bryce Roney Sent: Monday, 10 May 2010 7:16 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia in the Classroom (Queensland project) That seems to be a very solid presentation, most of my teachers I have seem to be reasonably adept at being able to use Wikipedia and understand how to make sure an article is accurate and the usefulness of it as a spring board to other references. That said, I know there are teachers out there who are incredibly anti-Wikipedia and a presentation like this could go a long way into being able to get teachers to understand what Wikipedia is and isn't. Best of luck with your project. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Okay, it looks like the the Wiki has been fixed, so here goes: Over the past few months, a few of us up here in Brisbane have been developing a programme and materials to do presentations to teachers and schools. It's been our observation that while many teachers have negative views about Wikipedia, these can be fairly easily dispelled by standing in front of them and talking about who we are, what we do, and putting some misconceptions right. It's also a good way to showcase our lesser-known projects; while most know Wikipedia, they don't know about Wiktionary and Wikisource, even though those can be valuable resources as well. I've placed a PDF of the most recent presentation we did up on the chapter site. The thumbnails don't appear to work, but if you click on the filename you can download a complete PDF of my Powerpoint: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Overview_Presentation_For_Sc http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Overview_Presentation_For_S c%0d%0ahools.pdf hools.pdf Our first presentation was in early April at Redcliffe State High School. Feedback was very positive and once we sat down and talked Wiki for an hour, the teachers wanted to get involved with either using our content, or doing projects which would involve working collaboratively with us. I'll sum up the exact feedback in a future mail, but when they thought about it they also had a lot of ideas that I think are quite exciting and I'd be interested in going further with. The challenges I can
[Wikimediaau-l] Committee changes
Hi all, Some news: on Sunday I resigned as president of Wikimedia Australia. The ctte accepted my resignation and as per our Rules, appointed one of the committee members to the office, who will serve until the next AGM. I guess this news may come as a shock or it may not. It's something I've been thinking about for quite a while and not something that I decided lightly or in haste. If anything, I probably decided too slowly. There's no bad blood with any of the ctte members, and it's not about anything that has happened in Wikimedia land. Rather, it's about what goes on in Brianna land (aka personal reasons), and whether or not I can do any useful work in the role. I don't feel able to any more, and I think my standing aside will be a good catalyst for the chapter to get visibly moving again. I'm sorry to let you down by not fulfilling my term with full efforts. Sometimes reality does not quite stretch far enough to meet the dreams. And being on a committee like ours (distributed you might say) requires a lot of stretching. The committee members have been very supportive of me while I was in the role, and in my decision now as well. It actually gives me great peace of mind to know that I am leaving the chapter in such good hands. They are all very capable and have great ideas, and want to support members, and if members are able to support them back, I know awesome things will happen. I am not sure how involved in Wikimedia things I will be in the future. Chapter business has been my main Wikimedia business for a while now. I hope to take a bit of breathing space and then see how things go. Having said that, I am booked up to go to Wikimania in July. :) Yours in boldness, Brianna Laugher no longer WMAU President. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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in ensuring Wikimedia Australia was established and recognised as an official chapter and legal entity by both the government of Victoria and the Wikimedia Foundation. She is very highly regarded and respected in the international community and I was staggered by the number of people who approached me at the Wikimedia Foundation meeting in Germany last month to ask after her. I hope that she will continue to be a significant presence in the both the global and local Wikimedia and free culture communities. We sincerely thank her for the tremendously valuable and important contribution she has made over the last four years to the chapter, the committee and to the free culture movement in Australia and we wish her all the best for her future endeavours. During the committee's teleconference on Sunday night, nominations for the seat of president were opened. Steve Peters, our sitting treasurer, accepted a nomination from me for president. No further nominations were received and Steve's nomination was unanimously endorsed and supported. Steve will take the seat of president effective immediately and lead us into the next Annual General Meeting. This, of course, means that we now have a vacant seat on the committee. The Rules of the Association allows the committee to appoint a financial chapter member from outside the committee to a vacant non-executive/ordinary member* *seat. Two committee members (Brian and Liam) are currently in the UK attending the Wikimedia Foundation's fundraising meeting, which has made it very difficult to organise a proper meeting but we are continuing to discuss these issues internally and will decide whether to leave the seat vacant until the AGM or seek to fill it under the Association Rules.The membership will be advised as soon as any decisions are made in regard to these issues. I hope Wikimedia Australia's membership, friends and supporters will join with the committee in thanking Brianna for her dedication and hard work over the last four years and in wishing her all the best for the futuer. Regards, Sarah Ewart Secretary Wikimedia Australia On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laug...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Some news: on Sunday I resigned as president of Wikimedia Australia. The ctte accepted my resignation and as per our Rules, appointed one of the committee members to the office, who will serve until the next AGM. I guess this news may come as a shock or it may not. It's something I've been thinking about for quite a while and not something that I decided lightly or in haste. If anything, I probably decided too slowly. There's no bad blood with any of the ctte members, and it's not about anything that has happened in Wikimedia land. Rather, it's about what goes on in Brianna land (aka personal reasons), and whether or not I can do any useful work in the role. I don't feel able to any more, and I think my standing aside will be a good catalyst for the chapter to get visibly moving again. I'm sorry to let you down by not fulfilling my term with full efforts. Sometimes reality does not quite stretch far enough to meet the dreams. And being on a committee like ours (distributed you might say) requires a lot of stretching. The committee members have been very supportive of me while I was in the role, and in my decision now as well. It actually gives me great peace of mind to know that I am leaving the chapter in such good hands. They are all very capable and have great ideas, and want to support members, and if members are able to support them back, I know awesome things will happen. I am not sure how involved in Wikimedia things I will be in the future. Chapter business has been my main Wikimedia business for a while now. I hope to take a bit of breathing space and then see how things go. Having said that, I am booked up to go to Wikimania in July. :) Yours in boldness, Brianna Laugher no longer WMAU President. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaau-l/attachments/20100510/d8317df0/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:12:06 +0800 From: Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Committee changes To: Wikimedia Australia members-only discussion list. memb...@lists.wikimedia.org.au Cc: Wikimedia-au wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: aanlktikm3t4ub3bymzmxobzujobvtotl7xnwchkbq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I wish to second Sarah's post above - what she has written represents
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On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:56 PM, bidgee-w...@virginbroadband.com.auwrote: Also congratulations to Steve! I'm sure he will serve the Wikimedia Australia community well and I'm sure his feet will fit in Brianna's pink fluffy slippers! ;) I must say, I'd be fully prepared to pay money to see Steve prancing around in pink fluffy girls slippers! :p ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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Dear Brianna, on the one hand it is sad to hear that you resign, but on the other hand I am happy to meet you as every year again at Wikimania and I really wish you a good time and successful moving onwards in Brianna land. You have done a great job founding WMAU, networking between the chapters and on Commons. I hope your future will be close to Wikimedia and the chapters, no matter what official role you choose to play. Have good time, thanks, hugs and regards, Manuel -- Regards Manuel Schneider Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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Hi Steve, I want to state all my support for you, your fellow committee members and WMAU and wish you a great time. WMAU was always a chapter with interesting ideas and projects and I wish that the engagement to connect with other chapters and to-be-chapters will continue in future. /Manuel -- Regards Manuel Schneider Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
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Thanks heaps for all your hard work over the years, Brianna :-) - I get the occassional glimpse of your influence all over the place, and I think it's fair to say that you've worked incredibly hard both behind the scenes, and as the founding president of WMAU - it's a great shame to lose you as pres. but I hope you won't be a stranger? ;-) There's a round or two for you in Sydney, I'm sure, when you next get the chance to pop up, and are feeling a bit wiki... cheers, Peter, PM. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote: Dear Brianna, on the one hand it is sad to hear that you resign, but on the other hand I am happy to meet you as every year again at Wikimania and I really wish you a good time and successful moving onwards in Brianna land. You have done a great job founding WMAU, networking between the chapters and on Commons. I hope your future will be close to Wikimedia and the chapters, no matter what official role you choose to play. Have good time, thanks, hugs and regards, Manuel -- Regards Manuel Schneider Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
