Re: [Wikimediach-l] lower membership fee: 20, 10 chf ?
it was and is a 4 digit CHF number, which was in the beginning well above 50%, and now it might be down to ~ 5%. robin will have the exact numbers at the general assembly. rupert. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 19:50, Nico Ray n...@sabine-nico.ch wrote: Hi, Rupert, any idea about the values of the smaller and smaller percentage you mentioned in your mail below ? IMHO, it's quite challenging to have a clear opinion on this without accurate figures... Rgds, Nico Stéphane Coillet-Matillon wrote: Do we know what's our membership demographics (e.g. majority of workers, students, pensioners)? If we have more than 30% students or lower-income bracket, that could make sense. 2009/2/9 THURNER rupert rupert.thur...@wikimedia.ch hi, as the membership fees are becoming a smaller and smaller percentage of our income, would it make sense to lower it to 20/10 chf per year ? (too) often i heard that chf 50 is a too high barrier to become member. my personal feeling is, that one who thinks wikimedia deserves more money could donate it. but it is inevitable that we become an even stronger organisation by having more members, and finding more people who have an interest in free knowledge projects. kind regards, rupert. --- http://wikimedia.ch/General_Assembly_2009 - come to the 2009 general assembly, or even participate by working on the board: http://wikimedia.ch/General_Assembly_2009/Candidatures ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] lower membership fee: 20, 10 chf ?
Hi all, Beda Gygli wrote Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:16: An Option would be to reduce the ordinary fees to 40.-, the double of the students fee, which I wouldn't change. In my eyes, the better way to gain more members is more publicity. This can be achieved by services for schools, organising good new content and get the press to know, occasions for older people to learn about the wikipedia, street actions which give things for free as the wikipedia is... I agree with the motion of Beda on the membership fees. CHF 50,- upwards can be an open donation spectrum ;-). I also believe that *popularity* is essential (to be clear: Wikipedia is well known already - and a success story of the net age! - but not its Swiss association yet). Organising presentations in schools is great, what about organising a cooperation with the Swiss Seniors Association (Schweizer SeniorInnen Verband) and their web-platform Seniorenweb.ch? Once activities and campaigns like this will happen, the media will be eager to report about it ... Best, Wolf comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig www.comunica-ch.net Digitale Allemd http://blog.allmend.ch - EURALO https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_icann_at_large_europe ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] lower membership fee: 20, 10 chf ?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Wolf Ludwig wolf.lud...@comunica-ch.net wrote: I agree with the motion of Beda on the membership fees. CHF 50,- upwards can be an open donation spectrum ;-). I also believe that *popularity* is essential (to be clear: Wikipedia is well known already - and a success story of the net age! - but not its Swiss association yet). Organising presentations in schools is great, what about organising a cooperation with the Swiss Seniors Association (Schweizer SeniorInnen Verband) and their web-platform Seniorenweb.ch? Once activities and campaigns like this will happen, the media will be eager to report about it ... Best, Wolf Surely Wikipedia is well known, Wikimedia is not. Good idea to widespread the association in the schools and to collaborate with them, the same opinion for common activities with Seniorweb (my personal support). The problem is to find a group of members who will support and work for those projects. We have some experience from other Wikimedia associations and we know that is not a simple project if we don't assure a continuity. Ilario ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] lower membership fee: 20, 10 chf ?
I could support a group for school, as I am becoming teacher. I recently searched for a possibility for teaching the proper methods of research. The best approach for the kids to understand Wikipedia I found: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_f%C3%BCr_Sch%C3%BCler My problem is just the time, so I just can support to this group. Nando Stöcklin seems to have experience, maybe he can help. Beda Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:55:55 +0100 Von: Wolf Ludwig wolf.lud...@comunica-ch.net An: Mailing list for Wikimedia CH wikimediach-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Mailinglist for Wikimedia CH wikimediach-l@lists.wikimedia.org Betreff: Re: [Wikimediach-l] lower membership fee: 20, 10 chf ? Hi Ilario and all, Ilario Valdelli wrote Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:22: (...) The problem is to find a group of members who will support and work for those projects. We have some experience from other Wikimedia associations and we know that is not a simple project if we don't assure a continuity. Yes, that's a crucial point! I think, we need to create such an outreach group of people (with different backgrounds possibly). According to my time planning, I may have more capacities from April onwards again (and I still owe to make contacts and prepare a first meeting with the Bundesarchiv, what I promised to the Board and Michael). Best, Wolf comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig www.comunica-ch.net Digitale Allemd http://blog.allmend.ch - EURALO https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_icann_at_large_europe ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01 ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] lower membership fee: 20, 10 chf ?
Am Montag, 9. Februar 2009 schrieb Ilario Valdelli: Personally I think that 50 CHF is a big effort for students. I'd like to mention that there is a reduced fee for students et.al. which is only 20 CHF. But I can follow the arguments of Ruperts saying that we should concentrate on getting more members instead of membership fees. -- Regards Manuel Schneider Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] lower membership fee: 20, 10 chf ?
An Option would be to reduce the ordinary fees to 40.-, the double of the students fee, which I wouldn't change. In my eyes, the better way to gain more members is more publicity. This can be achieved by services for schools, organising good new content and get the press to know, occasions for older people to learn about the wikipedia, street actions which give things for free as the wikipedia is... Yust my two cents Beda PS: At the moment, easely accessable information for teachers about Wikipedia is missing. Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:42:02 +0100 Von: Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch An: Mailing list for Wikimedia CH wikimediach-l@lists.wikimedia.org Betreff: Re: [Wikimediach-l] lower membership fee: 20, 10 chf ? Am Montag, 9. Februar 2009 schrieb Ilario Valdelli: Personally I think that 50 CHF is a big effort for students. I'd like to mention that there is a reduced fee for students et.al. which is only 20 CHF. But I can follow the arguments of Ruperts saying that we should concentrate on getting more members instead of membership fees. -- Regards Manuel Schneider Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01 ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] lower membership fee: 20, 10 chf ?
Yes, but I would avoid to seem cheap. In any case who likes make comparison: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters#Existing_chapters In this case Wm Ch members could have a measurement to get an opinion. Ilario P.S. Personally I won't look for a big number, but for a qualitative number Manuel Schneider wrote: Am Montag, 9. Februar 2009 schrieb Ilario Valdelli: Personally I think that 50 CHF is a big effort for students. I'd like to mention that there is a reduced fee for students et.al. which is only 20 CHF. But I can follow the arguments of Ruperts saying that we should concentrate on getting more members instead of membership fees. ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] lower membership fee: 20, 10 chf ?
Do we know what's our membership demographics (e.g. majority of workers, students, pensioners)? If we have more than 30% students or lower-income bracket, that could make sense. 2009/2/9 THURNER rupert rupert.thur...@wikimedia.ch hi, as the membership fees are becoming a smaller and smaller percentage of our income, would it make sense to lower it to 20/10 chf per year ? (too) often i heard that chf 50 is a too high barrier to become member. my personal feeling is, that one who thinks wikimedia deserves more money could donate it. but it is inevitable that we become an even stronger organisation by having more members, and finding more people who have an interest in free knowledge projects. kind regards, rupert. --- http://wikimedia.ch/General_Assembly_2009 - come to the 2009 general assembly, or even participate by working on the board: http://wikimedia.ch/General_Assembly_2009/Candidatures ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
