Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia crosses the 25, 000 article mark

2010-10-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
Congratulations. At translatewiki.net there is a steady stream of
localisations being done for the Tamil language. The result is improved
usability in both the Tamil Wikipedia and Commons. Together with the growing
number of articles the Tamil projects are likely to get more visitors and
become more relevant.
Thanks,
   GerardM

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia crosses the 25, 000 article mark

2010-10-06 Thread Shiju Alex
Congrats to Tamil wiki community for their hard work.

And Tamil Wikipedia happens to be the 4th Indian language Wikipedia to cross
the 25,000 article milestone.







On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:41 AM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote:

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia crosses the 25, 000 article mark

2010-10-06 Thread Rajesh Pandey
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote:

 Congrats to Tamil wiki community for their hard work.

 And Tamil Wikipedia happens to be the 4th Indian language Wikipedia to
 cross the 25,000 article milestone.








 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:41 AM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I'm pleased to inform you all that Tamil Wikipedia has crossed the 25,000
 article milestone now. :-)


Wow Congratulations :)

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[Wikimediaindia-l] who is the director of wikimedia india

2010-10-06 Thread Bharat Nedungadi
hi, on the last page of this book (released last week) it says Kiruba Shankar 
is CEO of Business Blogging and a Director at Wikimedia India which runs 
Wikipedia

http://www.krithya.in/rabbit/

has the wikimedia foundation already hired a national country director? i feel 
we as community should know about these things before they are announced 
generally. the announcement has been made publicly it seems:

http://www.yourstory.in/expert-talk/guest-column/2902-kiruba-shankarbrain-behind-tedx-chennai?format=pdf

http://www.businessblogging.org/facebookgarage/team

http://ria-lize.blogspot.com/2009/10/ria-lization.html

lots more as well. i am little confused.






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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] who is the director of wikimedia india

2010-10-06 Thread Gautam John
On 6 October 2010 15:21, Bharat Nedungadi bharatnedung...@yahoo.in wrote:

 has the wikimedia foundation already hired a national country director? i

I am pretty sure they haven't.

 lots more as well. i am little confused.

Kiruba was part of the India Chapter efforts but is no longer involved
with it. His email to the group is here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg00340.html

Cheers!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] who is the director of wikimedia india

2010-10-06 Thread Kiruba @ Kiruba.com
Hi Bharath,

Just to dispel any confusion, the hunt for Wikimedia India Foundation
Director is still on.

The information you pointed out is old and has been duly removed.  I have
sent out a clarification email to the group that I'm in no way related to
the Wikimedia Board.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Regards,

Kiruba Shankar
CEO, Business Blogging Pvt Ltd
Cell: +91-98415 97744
Email: kir...@kiruba.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/kiruba
Event: http://TEDxChennai.com on 10/10/10



On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Bharat Nedungadi
bharatnedung...@yahoo.inwrote:

 hi, on the last page of this book (released last week) it says Kiruba
 Shankar is CEO of Business Blogging and a Director at Wikimedia India which
 runs Wikipedia

 http://www.krithya.in/rabbit/

 has the wikimedia foundation already hired a national country director? i
 feel we as community should know about these things before they are
 announced generally. the announcement has been made publicly it seems:


 http://www.yourstory.in/expert-talk/guest-column/2902-kiruba-shankarbrain-behind-tedx-chennai?format=pdf

 http://www.businessblogging.org/facebookgarage/team

 http://ria-lize.blogspot.com/2009/10/ria-lization.html

 lots more as well. i am little confused.






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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia crosses the 25, 000 article mark

2010-10-06 Thread Abhi
Congrats to all the Tamil Wikipedians who worked behind this great
achievement. Keep up the good work!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] who is the director of wikimedia india

2010-10-06 Thread CherianTinu Abraham
Hi Bharath,
I understand your concerns , IMHO but it is time to move on.

Kiruba was associated with the chapter creation efforts in the initial
stages. He also helped in several Wikimedia /Wikipedia outreach programmes
that happened in chennai earlier.
He was the one of organisers of the hugely successful Wikicamp-Unconference
( 2007 ) (
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_wikipedia-planning-search-engine_1090149),
Wikipedia takes Chennai and several Wikiacademies  in Chennai.
Altough Kiruba voluntarily disassociated with the Chapter efforts, he
continues to be a wiki

enthusiast and promotes Wikipedia. He had clarified this earlier.


Thanks

Tinu Cherian




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 Hi Bharath, i was associated with the India team in the initial days of
 setting up the chapter. Now, I'm not.

 The book was published last year (2009) and copy of it was made online now.


 Regards,

 Kiruba Shankar
 CEO, Business Blogging Pvt Ltd
 Cell: +91-98415 97744
 Email: kir...@kiruba.com
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/kiruba
 Event: http://TEDxChennai.com on 10/10/10



 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Bharat Nedungadi bharatnedung...@yahoo.in
  wrote:

 The information you pointed out is old and has been duly removed.  I have
 sent out a clarification email to the group that I'm in no way related to
 the Wikimedia Board.

 but your twitter feed as i can see now http://twitter.com/kirubaannounces 
 this book was published last week. strange.

 still confused mr kiruba shankar. i am sure you are an honest person but
 if you are not director of wikimedia foundation, then why there are so
 many links on the web that say you are? please google and see for yourself.
 i checked to see if you have made edits, and you do not seem to have done
 anything maybe except for some conflict of interest entries.

 just for my personal clarity: you are not a director of wikimedia
 foundation and never were, you are not associated with wikimedia india, you
 are not part of the india chapter, you are not a member of the india chapter
 executive committee and you are not a wikipedia editor.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] who is the director of wikimedia india

2010-10-06 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
I thought Arun Ram was the one?
[Pardon my ignorance]..
-Regards,

On 6 October 2010 18:33, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Bharath,
 I understand your concerns , IMHO but it is time to move
 on.
 Kiruba was associated with the chapter creation efforts in the initial
 stages. He also helped in several Wikimedia /Wikipedia outreach programmes
 that happened in chennai earlier.
 He was the one of organisers of the hugely successful Wikicamp-Unconference
 ( 2007 ) (
 http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_wikipedia-planning-search-engine_1090149),
  Wikipedia takes Chennai and several Wikiacademies  in Chennai.
 Altough Kiruba voluntarily disassociated with the Chapter efforts, he
 continues to be a wiki

 enthusiast and promotes Wikipedia. He had clarified this earlier.


 Thanks

 Tinu Cherian




 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Kiruba @ Kiruba.com kir...@kiruba.comwrote:

 Hi Bharath, i was associated with the India team in the initial days of
 setting up the chapter. Now, I'm not.

 The book was published last year (2009) and copy of it was made online
 now.

 Regards,

 Kiruba Shankar
 CEO, Business Blogging Pvt Ltd
 Cell: +91-98415 97744
 Email: kir...@kiruba.com
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/kiruba
 Event: http://TEDxChennai.com on 10/10/10



 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Bharat Nedungadi 
 bharatnedung...@yahoo.in wrote:

 The information you pointed out is old and has been duly removed.  I
 have
 sent out a clarification email to the group that I'm in no way related to
 the Wikimedia Board.

 but your twitter feed as i can see now http://twitter.com/kirubaannounces 
 this book was published last week. strange.

 still confused mr kiruba shankar. i am sure you are an honest person but
 if you are not director of wikimedia foundation, then why there are so
 many links on the web that say you are? please google and see for yourself.
 i checked to see if you have made edits, and you do not seem to have done
 anything maybe except for some conflict of interest entries.

 just for my personal clarity: you are not a director of wikimedia
 foundation and never were, you are not associated with wikimedia india, you
 are not part of the india chapter, you are not a member of the india chapter
 executive committee and you are not a wikipedia editor.

 correct?







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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] who is the director of wikimedia india

2010-10-06 Thread Bishakha Datta
Just clarifying that the search for the National Program Director, India is
still on - the last date for receiving applications is Friday 8 October at
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/National_Program_Director,_India

Best
Bishakha

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Kiruba @ Kiruba.com kir...@kiruba.comwrote:

 Hi Bharath,

 Just to dispel any confusion, the hunt for Wikimedia India Foundation
 Director is still on.

 The information you pointed out is old and has been duly removed.  I have
 sent out a clarification email to the group that I'm in no way related to
 the Wikimedia Board.

 Thanks for pointing this out.

 Regards,

 Kiruba Shankar
 CEO, Business Blogging Pvt Ltd
 Cell: +91-98415 97744
 Email: kir...@kiruba.com
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/kiruba
 Event: http://TEDxChennai.com on 10/10/10



 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Bharat Nedungadi bharatnedung...@yahoo.in
  wrote:

 hi, on the last page of this book (released last week) it says Kiruba
 Shankar is CEO of Business Blogging and a Director at Wikimedia India which
 runs Wikipedia

 http://www.krithya.in/rabbit/

 has the wikimedia foundation already hired a national country director? i
 feel we as community should know about these things before they are
 announced generally. the announcement has been made publicly it seems:


 http://www.yourstory.in/expert-talk/guest-column/2902-kiruba-shankarbrain-behind-tedx-chennai?format=pdf

 http://www.businessblogging.org/facebookgarage/team

 http://ria-lize.blogspot.com/2009/10/ria-lization.html

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia crosses the 25, 000 article mark

2010-10-06 Thread Barry Newstead

Congratulations!

On 10/06/2010 02:16 AM, Rajesh Pandey wrote:



On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com 
mailto:shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote:


Congrats to Tamil wiki community for their hard work.

And Tamil Wikipedia happens to be the 4th Indian language
Wikipedia to cross the 25,000 article milestone.








On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:41 AM, BalaSundaraRaman
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I'm pleased to inform you all that Tamil Wikipedia has crossed
the 25,000
article milestone now. :-)


Wow Congratulations :)

- Sundar

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[Wikimediaindia-l] community, chapter and foundation: who is who and who does what

2010-10-06 Thread Achal Prabhala
To add to the recent discussion on this list, perhaps a few 
clarifications are in order.

All of you are familiar with yourselves - i.e. us - the community; 
people who edit, organise and otherwise help Wikimedia projects move 
ahead in interesting and productive ways. Many of those interesting and 
productive things happening here are captured in this first edition of 
the Wikimedia India Community Newsletter: 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_India_Community_Newsletter_2010_September.pdf

Then there is the chapter. Chapters are independent organizations 
founded to support and promote the Wikimedia projects within a specified 
country. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters). Chapters 
are approved by the Chapters Committee, constituted by folks whose 
mission is to further Wikimedia, and while affiliated to and recognised 
by the Wikimedia Foundation, are yet independent entities which plot 
their own course. Chapter efforts in India started up as early as 2004 
and critical momentum was achieved from 2008 onwards, the result of 
which is that we now have an approved Wikimedia India chapter - awaiting 
registration in India as a non-profit organisation (for more see: 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_India). The Wikimedia India 
chapter is currently being registered as a 'society' in Karnataka and 
will function as a national organisation. As a 'society' it is required 
to have founding 'members' - and in our case, those members are Arun 
(President), Sundar (Secretary), Hari (Treasurer), Gautam, Srinivas and 
Arjuna. (See: 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_India/MoA-PostChapComVer).

Once the chapter is recognised as a legal entity within India, these 
members will serve as the Executive Committee of the organisation. 
Contrary to earlier discussions, the Wikimedia India chapter has never 
had 'Directors' or 'Directors (designate)' - it's a society, and 
societies have members. On operation, it will, of course, extend 
membership widely to anyone who wishes to join. Chapters have a wide 
variety of functions, all of which are evolving - for now, a crude 
summary of their purpose would be that they allow individuals from 
within the community to do more than they could normally do alone, 
besides providing the benefits of a formal, organisational setup to 
utilise when necessary.

Then we have the Wikimedia Foundation, the organisation based in San 
Francisco that is the legal home of all Wikimedia projects. Over the 
last few years, the Wikimedia Foundation has grown in staff strength and 
capacity, and works to facilitate everything we do as volunteers from 
around the world. In the last few months, and on the basis of a 
strategic planning exercise 
(http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy) the Wikimedia Foundation 
decided to actively help a few geographies grow, one of which is India.

The National Country Director job that Barry Newstead (Chief Global 
Development Officer) talked about on this list 
(http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2010-August/000850.html) 
is a position that will report to him, which is to say, the staff 
employed at the Wikimedia Foundation office in India are exactly that, 
and not to be confused with the India chapter - they are a separate 
entity, an off-shoot of the Wikimedia Foundation in San Francisco, 
though they will obviously be working closely with both the community 
and the chapter. Further clarifications on the Wikimedia Foundation's 
office plans in India are available in this email from Barry 
(http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2010-August/000849.html).

I trust this helps somewhat in understanding the landscape.

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia crosses the 25, 000 article mark

2010-10-06 Thread Sunil
Hearty congrats to all tamil wikipedia members.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

  Congratulations!


 On 10/06/2010 02:16 AM, Rajesh Pandey wrote:



 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote:

 Congrats to Tamil wiki community for their hard work.

 And Tamil Wikipedia happens to be the 4th Indian language Wikipedia to
 cross the 25,000 article milestone.








 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:41 AM, BalaSundaraRaman 
 sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I'm pleased to inform you all that Tamil Wikipedia has crossed the 25,000
 article milestone now. :-)


 Wow Congratulations :)

- Sundar

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia crosses the 25, 000 article mark

2010-10-06 Thread Bishakha Datta
Really great news,
Bishakha

2010/10/6 സുനിൽ (Sunil) vss...@gmail.com


 Hearty congrats to all tamil wikipedia members.


 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

  Congratulations!


 On 10/06/2010 02:16 AM, Rajesh Pandey wrote:



 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote:

 Congrats to Tamil wiki community for their hard work.

 And Tamil Wikipedia happens to be the 4th Indian language Wikipedia to
 cross the 25,000 article milestone.








 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:41 AM, BalaSundaraRaman 
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 I'm pleased to inform you all that Tamil Wikipedia has crossed the
 25,000
 article milestone now. :-)


 Wow Congratulations :)

- Sundar

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] community, chapter and foundation: who is who and who does what

2010-10-06 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
Achal,

Thanks a lot for the detailed clarification. I was wondering how I could
clearly differentiate these things and explain to people outside our
list/community. I felt the media coverage (some / most) recently after
Barry's meet up also did not convey the differences between the  Chapter and
Foundation office properly. I also felt one other point which Barry told us
about motive of foundation office that did not reach well to the media /
general public well. Barry mentioned to us the common misconception of press
when some global org is setting up office, it brings jobs,money etc which
he had come across during the meetups.Sadly the misconception seems to have
been carried forward. Random sample (unscientific) of what reached out:-
http://www.quoteurl.com/kmh92 . I think we gave out too much to the press to
digest at the same time. Information about chapter, office, wikicapital
etc. Only few articles I read clearly expressed them as different things and
drew the line.

My 2 paisa

Regards,
Srikanth L

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 20:35, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote:

 To add to the recent discussion on this list, perhaps a few
 clarifications are in order.

 All of you are familiar with yourselves - i.e. us - the community;
 people who edit, organise and otherwise help Wikimedia projects move
 ahead in interesting and productive ways. Many of those interesting and
 productive things happening here are captured in this first edition of
 the Wikimedia India Community Newsletter:

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_India_Community_Newsletter_2010_September.pdf

 Then there is the chapter. Chapters are independent organizations
 founded to support and promote the Wikimedia projects within a specified
 country. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters). Chapters
 are approved by the Chapters Committee, constituted by folks whose
 mission is to further Wikimedia, and while affiliated to and recognised
 by the Wikimedia Foundation, are yet independent entities which plot
 their own course. Chapter efforts in India started up as early as 2004
 and critical momentum was achieved from 2008 onwards, the result of
 which is that we now have an approved Wikimedia India chapter - awaiting
 registration in India as a non-profit organisation (for more see:
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_India). The Wikimedia India
 chapter is currently being registered as a 'society' in Karnataka and
 will function as a national organisation. As a 'society' it is required
 to have founding 'members' - and in our case, those members are Arun
 (President), Sundar (Secretary), Hari (Treasurer), Gautam, Srinivas and
 Arjuna. (See:
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_India/MoA-PostChapComVer).

 Once the chapter is recognised as a legal entity within India, these
 members will serve as the Executive Committee of the organisation.
 Contrary to earlier discussions, the Wikimedia India chapter has never
 had 'Directors' or 'Directors (designate)' - it's a society, and
 societies have members. On operation, it will, of course, extend
 membership widely to anyone who wishes to join. Chapters have a wide
 variety of functions, all of which are evolving - for now, a crude
 summary of their purpose would be that they allow individuals from
 within the community to do more than they could normally do alone,
 besides providing the benefits of a formal, organisational setup to
 utilise when necessary.

 Then we have the Wikimedia Foundation, the organisation based in San
 Francisco that is the legal home of all Wikimedia projects. Over the
 last few years, the Wikimedia Foundation has grown in staff strength and
 capacity, and works to facilitate everything we do as volunteers from
 around the world. In the last few months, and on the basis of a
 strategic planning exercise
 (http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy) the Wikimedia Foundation
 decided to actively help a few geographies grow, one of which is India.

 The National Country Director job that Barry Newstead (Chief Global
 Development Officer) talked about on this list
 (
 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2010-August/000850.html
 )
 is a position that will report to him, which is to say, the staff
 employed at the Wikimedia Foundation office in India are exactly that,
 and not to be confused with the India chapter - they are a separate
 entity, an off-shoot of the Wikimedia Foundation in San Francisco,
 though they will obviously be working closely with both the community
 and the chapter. Further clarifications on the Wikimedia Foundation's
 office plans in India are available in this email from Barry
 (
 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2010-August/000849.html
 ).

 I trust this helps somewhat in understanding the landscape.

 Cheers,
 Achal

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[Wikimediaindia-l] community, chapter and foundation: who is who and who does what

2010-10-06 Thread Achal Prabhala
I agree that the press coverage is (and always tends to be) skewed when 
it comes to Wikipedia, Wikimedia and India. And it doesn't help that the 
explanation is pretty clear but complicated. In a few months, we will 
have the Wikimedia Foundation India office, the Wikimedia India chapter, 
and of course - as always - the Wikimedia community in India. I can only 
see more confusion!

Perhaps you - or others - can set up something on India-meta? An 
explanation such as the one just offered (who does what) + something 
about the difference between Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects 
would be very useful for the press, if kept simple. Then we could point 
them to this page every time there's interest - or print it out and 
distribute it for subsequent press interactions as well. I'll help, and 
others will too - I'm sure - if you get it going.

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