Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] OT FOSS assist WAS Re: Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects

2011-12-18 Thread Vickram Crishna
An interesting blog post that touches upon the same subject: and
serendipitously provides a very powerful reason for engineering colleges in
particular to be more aware of and to foster the environment of open
knowledge working.
http://manypossibilities.net/2011/12/everyday-internet-miracles/

I agree with Amir's point that simply switching browsers is a big step
forward for the college, as all users will sooner or later understand why
using Firefox is intrinsically superior, apart from trivial features
(glossware).

However, I also feel that in terms of maximising the potential of the
college-bought computers, users will probably experience a performance
upgrade, even more if unnecessary software and processes are tuned out,
more than continuing with XP.

Still, this is only an opinion, not a guarantee.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Amir E. Aharoni 
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:

 I didn't get the feeling that Vickram is saying that it's your fault.

 It's not possible and not desirable to force everybody to switch to a
 different browser. It is possible, however, to educate people about
 having a choice. That's what FOSS activism is about and that's how i
 understand Vickram's suggestion. Why is FOSS activism relevant in this
 discussion, you ask? Not just because the Wikimedia movement is very
 strongly related to FOSS, but because in this case FOSS technologies
 provide a tangible benefit - the ability to use Indic fonts. And FOSS
 relies on word-of-mouth promotion and activism rather than on
 marketing professionals.

 Moving from IE to Firefox is much easier than moving between operating
 systems or compilers. Millions of people wouldn't imagine moving from
 Windows to Linux, but can easily move to Firefox.

 Both Firefox and IE can be installed side-by-side and the presence of
 a different browser doesn't require any more maintenance. And if the
 people don't like Firefox despite its better font support, they can
 always move back to IE with zero effort.

 (In general, everything i say about Firefox applies to Google
 Chrome/Chromium, too - it's open source, modern and
 standards-compliant. However, for the particular issue of fonts
 Firefox is better - from my experience Chrome has more bugs in this
 field.)


 2011/12/14 Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com:
  Vickram, your tone makes it look like everything is our fault.
  We cannot switch over to Firefox/Linux for one simple reason.
  Most students here are from a Rural background and won't be able to
  adjust to new stuff. They had a tough time adjusting from Windows 7 to
  XP when the rollback was done due to issues with Turbo C++ and
  Microsoft COBOL compiler.
 
  --
 
  On 12/13/11, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
  2011/12/14 Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com:
  Pardon my intrusion on this thread, but within reason*, if any college
 or
  other educational institution chooses to be 'proprietary only' (never
 mind
  antediluvian - IE6? really? or is that an XP issue?) FOSSers are
 prepared
  to
  take it up 'officially' with them, reminding them of the nation's
  commitment
  to education without strings attached. This is fyi to listers, and I
  shan't
  mention it again, but please do consider notifying your friendly
  neighbourhood FOSSer with details of the person to contact
  (principal/director etc) for assistance and action. This in turn will
 get
  reflected to a FOSS forum (fosscomm is one such) and will hopefully
 result
  in notifying the institution concerned as well as the possibility of a
  local
  FOSS-based firm offering upgrade services.
 
  *ie FOSS as a movement is in continuous need of resources as well, but
  education is a major priority
 
  It is a very valid point. Installing Firefox or at least updating to
  IE8 on Windows XP costs nothing and has very tangible and
  easy-to-demonstrate benefits for language support. Wiki Community
  members should BE BOLD and tell libraries, schools and colleges that
  they should do it.
 
  While you are at it, make sure that auto-updates are enabled and
  consider installing a version of Firefox with menus translated to the
  local language (see http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html ; if
  you can't find it your language, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n .)
 
  --
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedians Help! Is this an image of Abanindranath Tagore?

2011-12-18 Thread Kalyan Sarkar
You are welcome, Ashwin!

Regards,
Kalyan Sarkar

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Ashwin Baindur
ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thank you Kalyan, that was awesome! Less than an hour to solve the puzzle,
 Hooray for crowd-sourcing. You deserve a barnstar!


 Warm regards,

 Ashwin Baindur
 --


 On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Kalyan Sarkar 
 kalyan.sar...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes. It is Abanindranath Tagore.

 Please visit http://www.clicktobuyboi.in/catalog/product/view/id/9452/,
 which shows a book on him titled 'Agranthita Abanindranath' (Unpublished
 Abanindranath). The image in the front cover of the book shows the side
 view of a slightly younger Abanindranath. But one can easily make out that
 the image is of the same person as that of the image in the LIFE repository.

 Thanks and regards,
 Kalyan Sarkar

 On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
 ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:

 The LIFE repository of public domain images has this image on its Google
 site

 http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=7cbc71f276cdecd4

 The caption is completely botched up by the Life data input guy
 (presumably) - it cant be Rabindranath Tagore who sported a beard most of
 his life. I suspect it is RT's famous painter nephew  Abanindranath Tagore
 (teacher of famous Shantiniketan painter, Nandalal Bose)-

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abanindranath_Tagore

 Even this blog page says so :


 http://www.oldindianphotos.in/2010/04/abanindranath-tagore-famous-artist-of.html

 What I'm looking from Bengali Wikipedians is to please help me confirm
 this with some kind of proof. This image is p-d India and uploadable to
 Commons since Abanindranath died in 1951 at age 80 and this image would be
 around when he was around 60.

 Warm regards,

 Ashwin Baindur
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] OT FOSS assist WAS Re: Webfonts deployment on Indic Wikiprojects

2011-12-18 Thread Yuvi Panda
Whenever Open Source activism and Indian colleges come up, I can't
help but point people to
http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads.html#shakthimaan-indian-challenge-of-floss-advocacy.
Is a good read, and is still relevant today.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Webfonts on Mobile

2011-12-18 Thread Santhosh Thottingal
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33176 has more details

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-WB] Kolkata Photo Walk (Esplanade Dalhousie)

2011-12-18 Thread Jayanta Nath
Congratulation to all for our first step of success. Please anyone tell
what we cover

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mediawiki-uploader

2011-12-18 Thread Arjuna Rao Chavala
Shrinivasan,


On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comwrote:

 Friends.

 Tamil Wikipedia announced a Media Contest to increase the commons
 media files like photos, audio and video in the wikipedia world.
 --cut--

 DigiKam has it, but due to some issues, the mediawiki plugin is not
 released.

 So, I started to write my own script for uploading all the files in a
 folder to upload to mediawiki.

 Here is it.
 http://code.google.com/p/mediawiki-uploader


Thanks a lot for your innovation  to ease upload of images to commons.
Thanks also for making it open source, as it can be inspiration for others
to improve it and/or build other tools, which can simiplify working with
wiki projects.


Based on my previous experience with commons, the category addition is a
pain point, even with current default tools on commons.  Categories are not
added as part of Upload. After few days, a bot will flag all those images
with the uncategorised warning.  Can you explore enhancing the tool to
support categorisation along with Upload?

I will try  your tool in couple of weeks and provide more  feedback.

Cheers
Arjuna Rao Chavala
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mediawiki-uploader

2011-12-18 Thread Shrinivasan T
hi arjuna,

thanks for the wishes.

I am also very new to wikipedia.
please give some more details on categories.

shall we give any text as category or some pre defined text are there to
pick up from?

use gthumb to add some meta data.
we can parse it and use them as categories.

please share your ideas.
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi,

Would India be interested? How do we put forth our interest? I'll be happy
to help.

Pradeep

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From: Tomasz Kozłowski odder.w...@gmail.com
Date: 2011/12/18
Subject: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hello everyone,

As you may have heard, a little while ago some organizers of Wiki Loves
Monuments 2011 came together in a rainy and cold Amsterdam to evaluate
the 2011 edition, and kick off documentation for 2012. We would like to
share some of the results of our meeting with you.

The first and most important information is:
* There is going to be a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 -- and if there is
interest, we are going global!

We would like to get a feeling of in how many countries there would be
people potentially interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments
nationally; but firstly, let us start with the basics.

Wiki Loves Monuments is a photo contest organized in 2010 and 2011 in,
respectively, the Netherlands and in Europe. The contest asks the
general audience to upload pictures of monumental/historical sites and
buildings during September. It has a federal structure and is organised
separately in every participating country by the local people who know
how things work in their area; best photos from all countries are
nominated for an international contest.

In 2011 this contest was very successful, with more than 165.000 photos
of monuments in 18 participating countries submitted in total. This was
possible thanks to the hard work of hundreds of volunteers in those
countries who helped organise Wiki Loves Monuments in one way or
another. The winning pictures have been published on
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu and on Wikimedia Commons:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_winners.

Besides the wonderful direct impact on the overall quality and coverage
of heritage and culture topics, Wiki Loves Monuments is a fantastic
opportunity to reach some of our important goals: we had a participation
of over 4.000 new users who created the first ever community-driven
contribution peak on Wikimedia Commons
(http://stats.wikimedia.org/reportcard/#new_editors_per_month); we
have also helped in establishing cooperation between Wikimedia groups 
chapters and some of their local cultural institutions and organisations
in several countries.

Would you be interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 in
your country? Would you like to know more? Find all the details at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012.
We have put together some information there for you -- and much more
will follow soon.

We would also like you to join our public mailing list where everyone is
welcome to ask any questions about the details on how to organise a Wiki
Loves Monuments in your country. This is a place where many organizers
of 2011 are already on and we will use that as our main channel for
communications and information dispersion in 2012. Be bold and sign up
for the list at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments.

So, please speak up if you're interested!

Best regards,
Lodewijk, Maarten  Tomasz (on behalf of so many others)

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Noopur
I already took the liberty of registering personal support :) Count me in
too. We are planning a photo walk in Ahmedabad this January. I guess
India's participation will have to be coordinated city/state wise?

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Pradeep Mohandas 
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 Would India be interested? How do we put forth our interest? I'll be happy
 to help.

 Pradeep

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Tomasz Kozłowski odder.w...@gmail.com
 Date: 2011/12/18
 Subject: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?
 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org


 Hello everyone,

 As you may have heard, a little while ago some organizers of Wiki Loves
 Monuments 2011 came together in a rainy and cold Amsterdam to evaluate
 the 2011 edition, and kick off documentation for 2012. We would like to
 share some of the results of our meeting with you.

 The first and most important information is:
 * There is going to be a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 -- and if there is
 interest, we are going global!

 We would like to get a feeling of in how many countries there would be
 people potentially interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments
 nationally; but firstly, let us start with the basics.

 Wiki Loves Monuments is a photo contest organized in 2010 and 2011 in,
 respectively, the Netherlands and in Europe. The contest asks the
 general audience to upload pictures of monumental/historical sites and
 buildings during September. It has a federal structure and is organised
 separately in every participating country by the local people who know
 how things work in their area; best photos from all countries are
 nominated for an international contest.

 In 2011 this contest was very successful, with more than 165.000 photos
 of monuments in 18 participating countries submitted in total. This was
 possible thanks to the hard work of hundreds of volunteers in those
 countries who helped organise Wiki Loves Monuments in one way or
 another. The winning pictures have been published on
 http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu and on Wikimedia Commons:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_winners.

 Besides the wonderful direct impact on the overall quality and coverage
 of heritage and culture topics, Wiki Loves Monuments is a fantastic
 opportunity to reach some of our important goals: we had a participation
 of over 4.000 new users who created the first ever community-driven
 contribution peak on Wikimedia Commons
 (http://stats.wikimedia.org/reportcard/#new_editors_per_month); we
 have also helped in establishing cooperation between Wikimedia groups 
 chapters and some of their local cultural institutions and organisations
 in several countries.

 Would you be interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 in
 your country? Would you like to know more? Find all the details at
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012.
 We have put together some information there for you -- and much more
 will follow soon.

 We would also like you to join our public mailing list where everyone is
 welcome to ask any questions about the details on how to organise a Wiki
 Loves Monuments in your country. This is a place where many organizers
 of 2011 are already on and we will use that as our main channel for
 communications and information dispersion in 2012. Be bold and sign up
 for the list at
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments.

 So, please speak up if you're interested!

 Best regards,
 Lodewijk, Maarten  Tomasz (on behalf of so many others)

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi,

If the cities interested and languages interested express their interest,
we could go ahead at a national level through the chapter or as a
community. The choice is with the community. Hence the question.

warm regards,
Pradeep Mohandas

On 18 December 2011 21:47, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:

 I already took the liberty of registering personal support :) Count me in
 too. We are planning a photo walk in Ahmedabad this January. I guess
 India's participation will have to be coordinated city/state wise?

 On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Pradeep Mohandas 
 pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 Would India be interested? How do we put forth our interest? I'll be
 happy to help.

 Pradeep

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Tomasz Kozłowski odder.w...@gmail.com
 Date: 2011/12/18
 Subject: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?
 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org


 Hello everyone,

 As you may have heard, a little while ago some organizers of Wiki Loves
 Monuments 2011 came together in a rainy and cold Amsterdam to evaluate
 the 2011 edition, and kick off documentation for 2012. We would like to
 share some of the results of our meeting with you.

 The first and most important information is:
 * There is going to be a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 -- and if there is
 interest, we are going global!

 We would like to get a feeling of in how many countries there would be
 people potentially interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments
 nationally; but firstly, let us start with the basics.

 Wiki Loves Monuments is a photo contest organized in 2010 and 2011 in,
 respectively, the Netherlands and in Europe. The contest asks the
 general audience to upload pictures of monumental/historical sites and
 buildings during September. It has a federal structure and is organised
 separately in every participating country by the local people who know
 how things work in their area; best photos from all countries are
 nominated for an international contest.

 In 2011 this contest was very successful, with more than 165.000 photos
 of monuments in 18 participating countries submitted in total. This was
 possible thanks to the hard work of hundreds of volunteers in those
 countries who helped organise Wiki Loves Monuments in one way or
 another. The winning pictures have been published on
 http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu and on Wikimedia Commons:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_winners.

 Besides the wonderful direct impact on the overall quality and coverage
 of heritage and culture topics, Wiki Loves Monuments is a fantastic
 opportunity to reach some of our important goals: we had a participation
 of over 4.000 new users who created the first ever community-driven
 contribution peak on Wikimedia Commons
 (http://stats.wikimedia.org/reportcard/#new_editors_per_month); we
 have also helped in establishing cooperation between Wikimedia groups 
 chapters and some of their local cultural institutions and organisations
 in several countries.

 Would you be interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 in
 your country? Would you like to know more? Find all the details at
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012.
 We have put together some information there for you -- and much more
 will follow soon.

 We would also like you to join our public mailing list where everyone is
 welcome to ask any questions about the details on how to organise a Wiki
 Loves Monuments in your country. This is a place where many organizers
 of 2011 are already on and we will use that as our main channel for
 communications and information dispersion in 2012. Be bold and sign up
 for the list at
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments.

 So, please speak up if you're interested!

 Best regards,
 Lodewijk, Maarten  Tomasz (on behalf of so many others)

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
It is a wiki :)

Pradeep

2011/12/18 Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com

 Along with this, just throwing up an idea. Since, the timeline is not yet
 decided, can we simultaneously have a Wikimedia India page to document all
 the Wiki loves monuments in India that happen in 2012?


 2011/12/18 Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com

 hi,

 If the cities interested and languages interested express their interest,
 we could go ahead at a national level through the chapter or as a
 community. The choice is with the community. Hence the question.

 warm regards,
 Pradeep Mohandas


 On 18 December 2011 21:47, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:

 I already took the liberty of registering personal support :) Count me
 in too. We are planning a photo walk in Ahmedabad this January. I guess
 India's participation will have to be coordinated city/state wise?

 On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Pradeep Mohandas 
 pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 Would India be interested? How do we put forth our interest? I'll be
 happy to help.

 Pradeep

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Tomasz Kozłowski odder.w...@gmail.com
 Date: 2011/12/18
 Subject: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?
 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org
 


 Hello everyone,

 As you may have heard, a little while ago some organizers of Wiki Loves
 Monuments 2011 came together in a rainy and cold Amsterdam to evaluate
 the 2011 edition, and kick off documentation for 2012. We would like to
 share some of the results of our meeting with you.

 The first and most important information is:
 * There is going to be a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 -- and if there is
 interest, we are going global!

 We would like to get a feeling of in how many countries there would be
 people potentially interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments
 nationally; but firstly, let us start with the basics.

 Wiki Loves Monuments is a photo contest organized in 2010 and 2011 in,
 respectively, the Netherlands and in Europe. The contest asks the
 general audience to upload pictures of monumental/historical sites and
 buildings during September. It has a federal structure and is organised
 separately in every participating country by the local people who know
 how things work in their area; best photos from all countries are
 nominated for an international contest.

 In 2011 this contest was very successful, with more than 165.000 photos
 of monuments in 18 participating countries submitted in total. This was
 possible thanks to the hard work of hundreds of volunteers in those
 countries who helped organise Wiki Loves Monuments in one way or
 another. The winning pictures have been published on
 http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu and on Wikimedia Commons:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_winners.

 Besides the wonderful direct impact on the overall quality and coverage
 of heritage and culture topics, Wiki Loves Monuments is a fantastic
 opportunity to reach some of our important goals: we had a participation
 of over 4.000 new users who created the first ever community-driven
 contribution peak on Wikimedia Commons
 (http://stats.wikimedia.org/reportcard/#new_editors_per_month); we
 have also helped in establishing cooperation between Wikimedia groups 
 chapters and some of their local cultural institutions and organisations
 in several countries.

 Would you be interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 in
 your country? Would you like to know more? Find all the details at
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012.
 We have put together some information there for you -- and much more
 will follow soon.

 We would also like you to join our public mailing list where everyone is
 welcome to ask any questions about the details on how to organise a Wiki
 Loves Monuments in your country. This is a place where many organizers
 of 2011 are already on and we will use that as our main channel for
 communications and information dispersion in 2012. Be bold and sign up
 for the list at
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments.

 So, please speak up if you're interested!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Noopur
Yes, that. A wiki (if one does not exist already) for Wiki loves monuments
in India in 2012.

2011/12/18 Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com

 It is a wiki :)

 Pradeep


 2011/12/18 Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com

 Along with this, just throwing up an idea. Since, the timeline is not yet
 decided, can we simultaneously have a Wikimedia India page to document all
 the Wiki loves monuments in India that happen in 2012?


 2011/12/18 Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com

 hi,

 If the cities interested and languages interested express their
 interest, we could go ahead at a national level through the chapter or as a
 community. The choice is with the community. Hence the question.

 warm regards,
 Pradeep Mohandas


 On 18 December 2011 21:47, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:

 I already took the liberty of registering personal support :) Count me
 in too. We are planning a photo walk in Ahmedabad this January. I guess
 India's participation will have to be coordinated city/state wise?

 On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Pradeep Mohandas 
 pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 Would India be interested? How do we put forth our interest? I'll be
 happy to help.

 Pradeep

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Tomasz Kozłowski odder.w...@gmail.com
 Date: 2011/12/18
 Subject: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?
 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List 
 foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org


 Hello everyone,

 As you may have heard, a little while ago some organizers of Wiki Loves
 Monuments 2011 came together in a rainy and cold Amsterdam to evaluate
 the 2011 edition, and kick off documentation for 2012. We would like to
 share some of the results of our meeting with you.

 The first and most important information is:
 * There is going to be a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 -- and if there
 is
 interest, we are going global!

 We would like to get a feeling of in how many countries there would be
 people potentially interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments
 nationally; but firstly, let us start with the basics.

 Wiki Loves Monuments is a photo contest organized in 2010 and 2011 in,
 respectively, the Netherlands and in Europe. The contest asks the
 general audience to upload pictures of monumental/historical sites and
 buildings during September. It has a federal structure and is organised
 separately in every participating country by the local people who know
 how things work in their area; best photos from all countries are
 nominated for an international contest.

 In 2011 this contest was very successful, with more than 165.000 photos
 of monuments in 18 participating countries submitted in total. This was
 possible thanks to the hard work of hundreds of volunteers in those
 countries who helped organise Wiki Loves Monuments in one way or
 another. The winning pictures have been published on
 http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu and on Wikimedia Commons:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_winners.

 Besides the wonderful direct impact on the overall quality and coverage
 of heritage and culture topics, Wiki Loves Monuments is a fantastic
 opportunity to reach some of our important goals: we had a
 participation
 of over 4.000 new users who created the first ever community-driven
 contribution peak on Wikimedia Commons
 (http://stats.wikimedia.org/reportcard/#new_editors_per_month); we
 have also helped in establishing cooperation between Wikimedia groups 
 chapters and some of their local cultural institutions and
 organisations
 in several countries.

 Would you be interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 in
 your country? Would you like to know more? Find all the details at
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012.
 We have put together some information there for you -- and much more
 will follow soon.

 We would also like you to join our public mailing list where everyone
 is
 welcome to ask any questions about the details on how to organise a
 Wiki
 Loves Monuments in your country. This is a place where many organizers
 of 2011 are already on and we will use that as our main channel for
 communications and information dispersion in 2012. Be bold and sign up
 for the list at
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments.

 So, please speak up if you're interested!

 Best regards,
 Lodewijk, Maarten  Tomasz (on behalf of so many others)

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
By the statement, I meant that you did not need permission to make a wiki
since it is a wiki. Do go ahead and create one!

Pradeep Mohandas

2011/12/18 Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com

 Yes, that. A wiki (if one does not exist already) for Wiki loves monuments
 in India in 2012.


 2011/12/18 Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com

 It is a wiki :)

 Pradeep


 2011/12/18 Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com

 Along with this, just throwing up an idea. Since, the timeline is not
 yet decided, can we simultaneously have a Wikimedia India page to document
 all the Wiki loves monuments in India that happen in 2012?


 2011/12/18 Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com

 hi,

 If the cities interested and languages interested express their
 interest, we could go ahead at a national level through the chapter or as a
 community. The choice is with the community. Hence the question.

 warm regards,
 Pradeep Mohandas


 On 18 December 2011 21:47, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:

 I already took the liberty of registering personal support :) Count me
 in too. We are planning a photo walk in Ahmedabad this January. I guess
 India's participation will have to be coordinated city/state wise?

 On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Pradeep Mohandas 
 pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 Would India be interested? How do we put forth our interest? I'll be
 happy to help.

 Pradeep

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Tomasz Kozłowski odder.w...@gmail.com
 Date: 2011/12/18
 Subject: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?
 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List 
 foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org


 Hello everyone,

 As you may have heard, a little while ago some organizers of Wiki
 Loves
 Monuments 2011 came together in a rainy and cold Amsterdam to evaluate
 the 2011 edition, and kick off documentation for 2012. We would like
 to
 share some of the results of our meeting with you.

 The first and most important information is:
 * There is going to be a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 -- and if there
 is
 interest, we are going global!

 We would like to get a feeling of in how many countries there would be
 people potentially interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments
 nationally; but firstly, let us start with the basics.

 Wiki Loves Monuments is a photo contest organized in 2010 and 2011 in,
 respectively, the Netherlands and in Europe. The contest asks the
 general audience to upload pictures of monumental/historical sites and
 buildings during September. It has a federal structure and is
 organised
 separately in every participating country by the local people who know
 how things work in their area; best photos from all countries are
 nominated for an international contest.

 In 2011 this contest was very successful, with more than 165.000
 photos
 of monuments in 18 participating countries submitted in total. This
 was
 possible thanks to the hard work of hundreds of volunteers in those
 countries who helped organise Wiki Loves Monuments in one way or
 another. The winning pictures have been published on
 http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu and on Wikimedia Commons:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_winners
 .

 Besides the wonderful direct impact on the overall quality and
 coverage
 of heritage and culture topics, Wiki Loves Monuments is a fantastic
 opportunity to reach some of our important goals: we had a
 participation
 of over 4.000 new users who created the first ever community-driven
 contribution peak on Wikimedia Commons
 (http://stats.wikimedia.org/reportcard/#new_editors_per_month); we
 have also helped in establishing cooperation between Wikimedia groups
 
 chapters and some of their local cultural institutions and
 organisations
 in several countries.

 Would you be interested in organizing a Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012
 in
 your country? Would you like to know more? Find all the details at
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012
 .
 We have put together some information there for you -- and much more
 will follow soon.

 We would also like you to join our public mailing list where everyone
 is
 welcome to ask any questions about the details on how to organise a
 Wiki
 Loves Monuments in your country. This is a place where many organizers
 of 2011 are already on and we will use that as our main channel for
 communications and information dispersion in 2012. Be bold and sign up
 for the list at
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments.

 So, please speak up if you're interested!

 Best regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Prad, Noopur, I'm with you on this one. I think what we need to do is,
create a category on the Commons, customise the Upload Wizard if
needed, set up a committee to check for copyright violations, create a
page on Meta, translate it into every language, get your cameras,
phones ready, stock up on film rolls and Memory Cards, batteries, etc.
See, it's that simple. Let's not wait for Chapter or Foundation, and
start NOW!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Mitra sharma
Hey guys,

I'm kinda new to the Wiki community, so correct me if my suggestions are
out of the way. The Wiki loves monuments sounds really interesting...can we
spread the word via social media for us newbies?


On 18 December 2011 23:01, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
parakara.gh...@gmail.comwrote:

 Prad, Noopur, I'm with you on this one. I think what we need to do is,
 create a category on the Commons, customise the Upload Wizard if
 needed, set up a committee to check for copyright violations, create a
 page on Meta, translate it into every language, get your cameras,
 phones ready, stock up on film rolls and Memory Cards, batteries, etc.
 See, it's that simple. Let's not wait for Chapter or Foundation, and
 start NOW!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Noopur
Dear Mitra and others,
Welcome  Mitra :) Here is a link to a start page:
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Loves_Monuments. I just created it for the
India community. I think to sign up you might need to be a member. You can
always get more info on the mailing list while we try and fix this. Do tell
us which city you belong to and we can connect you to active ppl there :)
Warmly
Noopur


On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mitra sharma mittyko...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey guys,

 I'm kinda new to the Wiki community, so correct me if my suggestions are
 out of the way. The Wiki loves monuments sounds really interesting...can we
 spread the word via social media for us newbies?


 On 18 December 2011 23:01, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Prad, Noopur, I'm with you on this one. I think what we need to do is,
 create a category on the Commons, customise the Upload Wizard if
 needed, set up a committee to check for copyright violations, create a
 page on Meta, translate it into every language, get your cameras,
 phones ready, stock up on film rolls and Memory Cards, batteries, etc.
 See, it's that simple. Let's not wait for Chapter or Foundation, and
 start NOW!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Noopur, I strongly suggest that you create a page on Meta instead.
People who have an account on any Wikipedia or Wikimedia project can
sign in without having to register for again.
Mitra, sure Social Media is exactly what Bala, Logic and I use for
spreading word on anything Wiki related.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Noopur
Will do, can you? Just need to copy. I don't have a comp for a bit.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Noopur, I strongly suggest that you create a page on Meta instead.
 People who have an account on any Wikipedia or Wikimedia project can
 sign in without having to register for again.
 Mitra, sure Social Media is exactly what Bala, Logic and I use for
 spreading word on anything Wiki related.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Noopur, sorry, I don't have a computer at all here. Hence the WikiBreak ...
Others, whoever creates the page, a something like Wiki Loves
Monuments (2012), India should do. If it is incorrect, don't worry, an
admin would move and redirect.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Lodewijk
May I suggest to then at least use Commons for that? That is where all the
rest of the documentation is also located. I suggest to link it from here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012 and
create
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_in_India.

Best,
Lodewijk

No dia 18 de Dezembro de 2011 21:07, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
parakara.gh...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Noopur, sorry, I don't have a computer at all here. Hence the WikiBreak ...
 Others, whoever creates the page, a something like Wiki Loves
 Monuments (2012), India should do. If it is incorrect, don't worry, an
 admin would move and redirect.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi,

Would suggest Commons as well. Will try and create the page in the hour.

Pradeep
Handheld

On 19/12/2011, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
 May I suggest to then at least use Commons for that? That is where all the
 rest of the documentation is also located. I suggest to link it from here:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012 and
 create
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_in_India.

 Best,
 Lodewijk

 No dia 18 de Dezembro de 2011 21:07, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 parakara.gh...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Noopur, sorry, I don't have a computer at all here. Hence the WikiBreak
 ...
 Others, whoever creates the page, a something like Wiki Loves
 Monuments (2012), India should do. If it is incorrect, don't worry, an
 admin would move and redirect.

 --
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
Done. Created the page and linked to it.

Pradeep

On 19 December 2011 02:25, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 May I suggest to then at least use Commons for that? That is where all the
 rest of the documentation is also located. I suggest to link it from here:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012 and
 create
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_in_India.

 Best,
 Lodewijk

 No dia 18 de Dezembro de 2011 21:07, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 parakara.gh...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Noopur, sorry, I don't have a computer at all here. Hence the WikiBreak ...
 Others, whoever creates the page, a something like Wiki Loves
 Monuments (2012), India should do. If it is incorrect, don't worry, an
 admin would move and redirect.

 --
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi,

Also suggest spreading it to the various language lists by people in the
languages?

warm regards,
Pradeep Mohandas

On 19 December 2011 09:15, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.comwrote:

 Done. Created the page and linked to it.

 Pradeep


 On 19 December 2011 02:25, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 May I suggest to then at least use Commons for that? That is where all
 the rest of the documentation is also located. I suggest to link it from
 here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012and 
 create
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_in_India.

 Best,
 Lodewijk

 No dia 18 de Dezembro de 2011 21:07, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 parakara.gh...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Noopur, sorry, I don't have a computer at all here. Hence the WikiBreak
 ...
 Others, whoever creates the page, a something like Wiki Loves
 Monuments (2012), India should do. If it is incorrect, don't worry, an
 admin would move and redirect.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Ashwin Baindur
Its a great idea to have a Wiki loves monuments. Support from SIGs was
mentioned. Speaking as a member of Indic Wikipedians on English Wikipedia,
you have our support.

I would only say that September being partly/mostly a rainy month, our
events should be summer holiday poised when it would be convenent for
people to students to participate.

Warm regards,

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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Pradeep Mohandas 
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 Would suggest Commons as well. Will try and create the page in the hour.

 Pradeep
 Handheld

 On 19/12/2011, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
  May I suggest to then at least use Commons for that? That is where all
 the
  rest of the documentation is also located. I suggest to link it from
 here:
  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012 and
  create
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_in_India
 .
 
  Best,
  Lodewijk
 
  No dia 18 de Dezembro de 2011 21:07, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
  parakara.gh...@gmail.com escreveu:
 
  Noopur, sorry, I don't have a computer at all here. Hence the WikiBreak
  ...
  Others, whoever creates the page, a something like Wiki Loves
  Monuments (2012), India should do. If it is incorrect, don't worry, an
  admin would move and redirect.
 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
We need to have the documentation translated too.

On 12/18/11, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi,

 Also suggest spreading it to the various language lists by people in the
 languages?

 warm regards,
 Pradeep Mohandas

 On 19 December 2011 09:15, Pradeep Mohandas
 pradeep.mohan...@gmail.comwrote:

 Done. Created the page and linked to it.

 Pradeep


 On 19 December 2011 02:25, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 May I suggest to then at least use Commons for that? That is where all
 the rest of the documentation is also located. I suggest to link it from
 here:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012and
 create
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_in_India.

 Best,
 Lodewijk

 No dia 18 de Dezembro de 2011 21:07, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 parakara.gh...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Noopur, sorry, I don't have a computer at all here. Hence the WikiBreak
 ...
 Others, whoever creates the page, a something like Wiki Loves
 Monuments (2012), India should do. If it is incorrect, don't worry, an
 admin would move and redirect.

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 Regards,
 Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
 Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?

2011-12-18 Thread Nitika
Hi Srikanth  everyone else,

This is a really good question and one that I've been thinking about and 
working on as we look at outreach in general.

From my discussions with various editors and my observing and participating in 
outreach sessions, I think the biggest challenge when we do outreach is why to 
contribute.  Of course, how to edit is essential - but unless someone 
believes there is a strong enough reason to participate, it's unlikely they're 
going to get involved or stay involved after a couple of exploratory edits.  
From my conversations and readings, the motivators of existing editors are any 
or a combination (or variants) of promoting free knowledge or sharing 
knowledge in general or improving education or passion for their languages 
or interest in a particular subject (e.g. astronomy or railways or 
butterflies.)  However, my opinion is that it is relatively complex to convey 
these in an initial outreach session.  It's best to motivate and train and 
support potential newbies to join the movement and community - and allow them 
to discover for themselves what is the inspiration for them (especially because 
it is likely to be unique to that individual.)

Personally, i think there are a number of really compelling answers to the 
What's in it for me? question - and I do want to share my take on it.  I'm 
dividing my answer into students and faculty/institutions.  (The tone I'm using 
is what can be used when actually answering the question.)  These answers are a 
little clinical and conceptual but I've found they work - and I believe they 
will provide an adequate incentive to try and learn a little bit more about 
editing and to hopefully become regular editors.

Academia - Students

It improves your writing skills.  Writing skills are essential when you move 
ahead in life either to do further studies or to work.  Our education system 
(unfortunately) doesn't adequately teach writing skills and we all struggle 
when we have to write a formal report or research paper.  When you move into 
the working world, you'll find that you can be as good as you are at your work 
but unless you are able to write those written reports properly, you'll always 
find it hard to succeed.
It will help your critical thinking.  Concepts like Neutral Point of View 
(which you will sometimes see in Wikipedia being referred to as NPOV) help you 
see all sides of a story.  In your future careers, you need to consider the 
pros and cons of anything - because only that way will you be a better 
professional.  If you're into software, look at the article on waterfall 
development model and how it looks at pros and cons.  If you're in economics, 
look at the article on the Euro bailout and see how it looks at all the 
multiple complex issues involved.  Very little in life is purely good or 
totally evil; we need to be neutral and consider all sides.  You will find this 
incredibly useful in both your personal and professional lives. This thinking 
will help you decide who to vote for in elections or which version of Lok Pal 
you support or  which IPL team to follow!  This thinking will help you 
understand your subjects even better.
It'll strengthen your research skills.  Editing a wikipedia article requires 
you to do a lot of referencing (or what wikipedia sometimes calls citations.) 
 This means you need to look beyond just the wikipedia article and research 
online references and also go into that forgotten room called the library and 
look up books or journal.  This is a skill you cannot live without if you are 
writing a thesis or working on a research project.
It teaches you how to collaborate!   Editing wikipedia is magical.  You add 
some content and someone from some other part of the class or school or town or 
country or somewhere else in the world adds a little bit more and makes your 
contribution that much better.  The days of sitting alone under a tree and 
having an apple fall on your head and discovering gravity are over.  In today's 
world, we will need to collaborate to achieve anything.  If you're into 
biotechnology, you might be based in Hyderabad but the team you are part of 
might have someone in Scotland or Brazil- from a different culture and with a 
different accent - but you need to work together.  Wikipedia helps you learn 
how to collaborate!
It gives you a global audience of - literally, thousands!  If you submit a 
class report, the maximum audience is 2; 1 being you and 1 being your teacher.  
After your paper is marked, it will normally be thrown away.  If you edit a 
wikipedia article, it is there *forever* and the audience can be any number 
from the 500 million who read wikipedia every month!  You can show your article 
to you mother and grandfather and friends!  If you upload pictures to Wikimedia 
Commons, you will have an audience so much bigger than the 500 friends on 
Facebook who will see it.  So many more can see your talents and appreciate 
your work!
It'll boost 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?

2011-12-18 Thread Deepon Saha
Nice...:)

Deepon

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi Srikanth  everyone else,

 This is a really good question and one that I've been thinking about and
 working on as we look at outreach in general.

 From my discussions with various editors and my observing and
 participating in outreach sessions, I think the biggest challenge when we
 do outreach is why to contribute.  Of course, how to edit is essential
 - but unless someone believes there is a strong enough reason to
 participate, it's unlikely they're going to get involved or stay involved
 after a couple of exploratory edits.  From my conversations and readings,
 the motivators of existing editors are any or a combination (or variants)
 of promoting free knowledge or sharing knowledge in general or
 improving education or passion for their languages or interest in a
 particular subject (e.g. astronomy or railways or butterflies.)  However,
 my opinion is that it is relatively complex to convey these in an initial
 outreach session.  It's best to motivate and train and support potential
 newbies to join the movement and community - and allow them to discover for
 themselves what is the inspiration for them (especially because it is
 likely to be unique to that individual.)

 Personally, i think there are a number of really compelling answers to the
 What's in it for me? question - and I do want to share my take on it.
 I'm dividing my answer into students and faculty/institutions.  (The tone
 I'm using is what can be used when actually answering the question.)  These
 answers are a little clinical and conceptual but I've found they work - and
 I believe they will provide an adequate incentive to try and learn a little
 bit more about editing and to hopefully become regular editors.

 * Academia - Students*


1. It improves your *writing skills*.  Writing skills are essential
when you move ahead in life either to do further studies or to work.  Our
education system (unfortunately) doesn't adequately teach writing skills
and we all struggle when we have to write a formal report or research
paper.  When you move into the working world, you'll find that you can be
as good as you are at your work but unless you are able to write those
written reports properly, you'll always find it hard to succeed.
2. It will help your *critical thinking*.  Concepts like Neutral Point
of View (which you will sometimes see in Wikipedia being referred to as
NPOV) help you see all sides of a story.  In your future careers, you need
to consider the pros and cons of anything - because only that way will you
be a better professional.  If you're into software, look at the article on
waterfall development model and how it looks at pros and cons.  If you're
in economics, look at the article on the Euro bailout and see how it looks
at all the multiple complex issues involved.  Very little in life is purely
good or totally evil; we need to be neutral and consider all sides.  You
will find this incredibly useful in both your personal and professional
lives. This thinking will help you decide who to vote for in elections or
which version of Lok Pal you support or which IPL team to follow!  This
thinking will help you understand your subjects even better.
3. It'll strengthen your *research skills.*  Editing a wikipedia
article requires you to do a lot of referencing (or what wikipedia
sometimes calls citations.)  This means you need to look beyond just the
wikipedia article and research online references and also go into that
forgotten room called the library and look up books or journal.  This is a
skill you cannot live without if you are writing a thesis or working on a
research project.
4. It teaches you how to *collaborate*!   Editing wikipedia is
magical.  You add some content and someone from some other part of the
class or school or town or country or somewhere else in the world adds a
little bit more and makes your contribution that much better.  The days of
sitting alone under a tree and having an apple fall on your head and
discovering gravity are over.  In today's world, we will need to
collaborate to achieve anything.  If you're into biotechnology, you might
be based in Hyderabad but the team you are part of might have someone in
Scotland or Brazil- from a different culture and with a different accent -
but you need to work together.  Wikipedia helps you learn how to
collaborate!
5. It gives you a *global audience of - literally, thousands! * If you
submit a class report, the maximum audience is 2; 1 being you and 1 being
your teacher.  After your paper is marked, it will normally be thrown
away.  If you edit a wikipedia article, it is there *forever* and the
audience can be any number from the 500 million who read wikipedia every
month!  You can show your 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 -- global?

2011-12-18 Thread Mitra sharma
Hi Noopur,

Thanks for warm welcome! :) :) I'm based out of Delhi and know a few people
who would love to contribute for Gujurat and Mumbai.

I  already am a member, how do I go about it post that?

Best,
Mitra

On 18 December 2011 23:58, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Mitra and others,
 Welcome  Mitra :) Here is a link to a start page:
 http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Loves_Monuments. I just created it for the
 India community. I think to sign up you might need to be a member. You can
 always get more info on the mailing list while we try and fix this. Do tell
 us which city you belong to and we can connect you to active ppl there :)
 Warmly
 Noopur


 On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mitra sharma mittyko...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hey guys,

 I'm kinda new to the Wiki community, so correct me if my suggestions are
 out of the way. The Wiki loves monuments sounds really interesting...can we
 spread the word via social media for us newbies?


 On 18 December 2011 23:01, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Prad, Noopur, I'm with you on this one. I think what we need to do is,
 create a category on the Commons, customise the Upload Wizard if
 needed, set up a committee to check for copyright violations, create a
 page on Meta, translate it into every language, get your cameras,
 phones ready, stock up on film rolls and Memory Cards, batteries, etc.
 See, it's that simple. Let's not wait for Chapter or Foundation, and
 start NOW!

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 Regards,
 Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
 Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore

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