Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Dear Yohann,

After going through the links and the logs etc, I am having serious
doubts about this whole project.

This is what I feel:

1. Is this really a competition? Or just a photo upload event? How
come there are community nominations for a competition? Moreover, how
language is related to pictures? Do you mean a Marathi person can not
take/upload pictures of Rasgulla or Chole-Bhature or fafda or idly?

2. The time frame of just 15 days for the first phase is too small.
And comparatively, the prizes are BIG. What is the logic behind this?
How many pictures are expected? Are those prizes have any co-relation
to the number of pictures?

3. Phase two has even BIGGER prizes !! Again, what is the logic ?
From the IRC log, I have a feeling that just to finish off the
available money, these prizes are declared. I do not think this is a
good idea and a nice way of spending money.

4. What is the eligibility of the pictures? What is the minimum
picture size? Any photo taken from a half megapixel mobile camera is
acceptable? How you will compare it with a HD quality picture taken on
a full frame digital camera or even a high end medium format camera?

5. What is the eligibility of the pictures? WLF page tells about what
is not eligible and not the other way. It seems that all images should
be having commons license. But then the judging is considering the
license of the picture also..

6. Criteria fo judging is also difficult. You can not judge picture on
"originality". Technical quality can be a good criteria but it needs
some common base which is not defined in the rules. (see point 4
above)

7. With due respect to all the judges and their knowledge, let people
understand how the judges are selected/decided and what are their
credentials. This will help people to upgrade their skills so that
they can volunteer as a judge in any further contests.

8. The fine print is really amazing !!! *** " and the organizers
reserve the right to modify these rules or to cancel the contest at
their sole discretion, even after it has started."***   WOW !! The
rules can be changed at any time !! What kind of contest is this?

Overall, even though WLF is a great idea, I feel that this whole
project is not properly planned and executed. I think WMIN should
reconsider the whole project again.

//completely non-relevent info

btw,
apart from whatever little bit of contribution to WMIN activities I
have made, I have been a photographer myself and participated in photo
exhibitions, written articles in photography magazines, got my
pictures printed in magazines and worked for a photographic society.
Whatever knowledge/wisdom collected from my photographic activities is
the background for writing all these points. Hope you don't mind.

//

Regards
-Sudhanwa




On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Yohann Thomas  wrote:
> Hello everyone
>
> After Intense discussions we are finally rolling out the first phase of Wiki
> Loves Food.
>
> As an introduction, Wiki Loves Food (WLF) is a public photo competition on
> Wikimedia Commons for use on Wikipedia and other project websites of the
> Wikimedia Foundation. Wikimedia India Chapter will be running this contest.
> The aim of this project is to improve the quality of pictures of different
> cuisines of India & the world. This competition is to commemorate and unite
> our Passion we have so much for Food.
>
> In this Competition, all pictures related to Indian food & Indian cuisine
> will be allowed
>
> Phase 1 of WLF will be held between April 15th to April 30th. It is a pilot
> to understand the dynamics of Commons community before the contest is
> launched for the wider Wikimedia India community. 50 participants will be
> enrolled for this in a first come first register basis.
> To register please click here .
>
>  We are also inviting 2 nominations per language community besides these 50
> participants. These community nominated participants can be seen here
>
> Prizes for this Phase are
>
> 1st Prize - INR 12000
> 2nd Prize - INR 8000
> 3rd prize - INR 5000
> Community Award - INR 5000
>
> Please remember that for Phase 1 - entries close 30th April at 23:59pm.
>
> Also remember to Upload the Pictures under Category:Wiki Loves Food
>
> You can find all the details related to the event here
>
> Cheers!!!
> Yohann Thomas
> Executive Committee member
> Wikimedia India
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

My only question is Why are such high value prizes being awarded for phase
one which is both a trial period as well as invite only.
Ideally the prizes should go for the next phase.
On 15-Apr-2015 10:11 pm, "Yohann Thomas"  wrote:

> Hi Sankarshan
>
> I would stick to the original statement of the text. It is not an improper
> usage.
>
> Thanks :) !!
>
> Yohann Thomas
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> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:45 PM, sankarshan 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Yohann Thomas 
>> wrote:
>> > So you can interpret it "as an incentive to increase contribution and
>> > participation or , as an enticement."
>>
>> I am unable to comprehend why it should be based on my interpretation.
>> I visited the link provided in your original email, and quoted a line
>> which uses the specific word . The general usage of the word is in
>> context of "offering something to gain advantage". In relation to the
>> broader intent of this outreach program, it felt out of place. My
>> question was largely limited to whether it was an improper usage of a
>> word, or, conscious choice to impart that specific meaning to this
>> program.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[Yohann Thomas]

Hi Sankarshan

I would stick to the original statement of the text. It is not an improper
usage.

Thanks :) !!

Yohann Thomas
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:45 PM, sankarshan 
wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Yohann Thomas  wrote:
> > So you can interpret it "as an incentive to increase contribution and
> > participation or , as an enticement."
>
> I am unable to comprehend why it should be based on my interpretation.
> I visited the link provided in your original email, and quoted a line
> which uses the specific word . The general usage of the word is in
> context of "offering something to gain advantage". In relation to the
> broader intent of this outreach program, it felt out of place. My
> question was largely limited to whether it was an improper usage of a
> word, or, conscious choice to impart that specific meaning to this
> program.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[Yohann Thomas]

Hi Karthik

The planning of the competition in Phase 2 constantly will evolve as the
pilot project proceeds.
Phase 1 will be a constant learning for all the volunteers as it proceeds.
I don't see any harm when the main contest starts as the pilot ends.


Yohann Thomas
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Karthik Nadar 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm kinda confused; that the main contest starts from the next day the
> planned pilot contest ends. So whats the use of running a pilot contest
> without spending time in understanding what went good and what went bad.
>
> Is it because the chapter is in deadline to do something as a big project
> within next quarter or is there any other reason?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
>> Really, token prices can be understood, but in thousands of Rs? The
>> money can be spent on better things imho.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:45 AM, sankarshan 
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Yohann Thomas 
>> wrote:
>> >> You can find all the details related to the event here
>> >
>> > The link at > >
>> > states "...we will be handing out bigger prizes to entice people to
>> > participate and donate their photos to Commons. " Are prizes being
>> > handed out as an incentive to increase contribution and participation
>> > or, as an enticement?
>> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[Tito Dutta]

I agree with Col.Ashwin Baindur.

On 15 April 2015 at 21:56, Yohann Thomas  wrote:

> Hi Ashwin
>
> There was an IRC on the 12th April which was informed about 6 days in
> advance on WLF discussion page.
> In this IRC, the prizes were discussed. Also when compared to other "Wiki
> Loves" competitions which were also organized all over the world, they also
> had similar Prizes.
>
> Best example is Wiki Loves Africa which included Prizes like
> Smartphone-Galaxy note 4, US$200 Amazon gift etc.
>
> Obviously our competition is not on a grand scale as Wiki Loves Africa,
> but we are trying to create an environment which facilitates maximum
> participation within all walks of the Wikimedia community.
>
> Yohann Thomas
> yohan...@gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
>> Really, token prices can be understood, but in thousands of Rs? The
>> money can be spent on better things imho.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:45 AM, sankarshan 
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Yohann Thomas 
>> wrote:
>> >> You can find all the details related to the event here
>> >
>> > The link at > >
>> > states "...we will be handing out bigger prizes to entice people to
>> > participate and donate their photos to Commons. " Are prizes being
>> > handed out as an incentive to increase contribution and participation
>> > or, as an enticement?
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[Yohann Thomas]

Hi Ashwin

There was an IRC on the 12th April which was informed about 6 days in
advance on WLF discussion page.
In this IRC, the prizes were discussed. Also when compared to other "Wiki
Loves" competitions which were also organized all over the world, they also
had similar Prizes.

Best example is Wiki Loves Africa which included Prizes like
Smartphone-Galaxy note 4, US$200 Amazon gift etc.

Obviously our competition is not on a grand scale as Wiki Loves Africa, but
we are trying to create an environment which facilitates maximum
participation within all walks of the Wikimedia community.

Yohann Thomas
yohan...@gmail.com

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
wrote:

> Really, token prices can be understood, but in thousands of Rs? The
> money can be spent on better things imho.
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:45 AM, sankarshan 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Yohann Thomas 
> wrote:
> >> You can find all the details related to the event here
> >
> > The link at 
> > states "...we will be handing out bigger prizes to entice people to
> > participate and donate their photos to Commons. " Are prizes being
> > handed out as an incentive to increase contribution and participation
> > or, as an enticement?
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[sankarshan]

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Yohann Thomas  wrote:
> So you can interpret it "as an incentive to increase contribution and
> participation or , as an enticement."

I am unable to comprehend why it should be based on my interpretation.
I visited the link provided in your original email, and quoted a line
which uses the specific word . The general usage of the word is in
context of "offering something to gain advantage". In relation to the
broader intent of this outreach program, it felt out of place. My
question was largely limited to whether it was an improper usage of a
word, or, conscious choice to impart that specific meaning to this
program.


-- 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[Yohann Thomas]

Hi Sankarshan

You should understand that WMIN has not done any event like this on such a
large scale.
There was a trust deficit between the community & WMIN. The new EC is
trying to bridge this gap.
So you can interpret it "as an incentive to increase contribution and
participation or , as an enticement."
The main aim of the new EC is to restore WMIN to its glory days & spearhead
the movement in India.

Yohann Thomas
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:45 AM, sankarshan 
wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Yohann Thomas  wrote:
> > You can find all the details related to the event here
>
> The link at 
> states "...we will be handing out bigger prizes to entice people to
> participate and donate their photos to Commons. " Are prizes being
> handed out as an incentive to increase contribution and participation
> or, as an enticement?
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] Wikimania 2015 participants from India

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Thanks Ravi for sharing this information.

Regards,
Jayantilal

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Arnav Sonara 
wrote:

> Congrats to everyone!
>
> Just to let you know, that if Indian passport holders have a long term US
> visa they don't need any visa for Mexico.
>
> Thanks,
> Arnav .
> (User:Rangilo_Gujarati)
> .
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If that is the case every Indian who has been awarded a scholarship,
>> should include the cost of a trip to Delhi when accepting the scholarship.
>> On 14-Apr-2015 7:45 pm, "Rohini Lakshané" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I checked with my travel agent; Indians need to visit the Mexican
>>> embassy in New Delhi for recording biometrics for the visa.
>>>
>>> Congrats to everyone who got the scholarship!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rohini
>>> On 13 Apr 2015 16:30, "Ravishankar Ayyakkannu" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I request Wikimania 2015 participants from India to register at

 http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikimania_2015#Participants

 Please correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like Indian citizens will
 have to personally appear for an interview at the Mexico Embassy in New
 Delhi. For people far away from New Delhi, to and fro flight charges plus a
 day's stay plus Visa fee can easily come around 25,000 INR.

 Since 14th April is the last day for accepting scholarships from WMF,
 please be aware of this additional expense and inform Wikimania Scholarship
 committee if you need additional funding to meet this expense.

 We can discuss and summarize more such details at

 http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikimania_2015

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