Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid

[Béria Lima]

Not of my business what you do in India, but here is my 2 cents.

I think that a nacional Conference for India is a HUGE job (Comming for a
country that is equaly huge, I can imagine the several logistic problems to
deslocate people from one city to another).

So my suggestion is to make several "mini-confereces" organized by state
(India is organized by states, right?) like the series of Wikipedia
Academies. That will teach local teams all around India to organize small
conferences (not bigger than 100 people) and minimize costs and problems.
You can always have a nacional conference once every 2 years or so.
_
*Béria Lima*
(351) 925 171 484

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. *


On 24 January 2012 20:46, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I appreciate the wise decision from Indian Wikipedia community to opt out
> of Wikimania bid until next few years.
>
> Even Wikiconference India need not be an annual event considering the
> amount of human and financial resources spent on it. What we need is
> strengthening local communities in each language and city by means of more
> meetups, unconferences, outreach, on project activity and events with
> specific goals like hackathons.
>
> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid

[Ravishankar]

Hi,

I appreciate the wise decision from Indian Wikipedia community to opt out
of Wikimania bid until next few years.

Even Wikiconference India need not be an annual event considering the
amount of human and financial resources spent on it. What we need is
strengthening local communities in each language and city by means of more
meetups, unconferences, outreach, on project activity and events with
specific goals like hackathons.

Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

+1 with Logic and I don't think India needs to host an international event,
a more structured community building exercise from foundation, chapter,
existing Wikipedians is going on and it will take some time for a proper
community. Putting a bid and conducting an event physically are things of 2
different spheres. No matter how well programs were arranged, there were
basic issues including Wi-Fi/Food and lot more and we can't blame the OC.
Their voluntary effort is to be appreciated and communication/logistics
problems all happened because of lack of participation. A small group of
volunteers did well, but, the similar things/worse things are going to
happen when majority of the delegates will be from all different countries.

-1 withthe bid!

On 24 January 2012 12:40, Srikanth Lakshmanan  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:18, Noopur  wrote:
>
>> the organizing bit is outsourced to experienced event managers
>
>
> Not in totality. What can be outsourced are things like food / hotels /
> logistics etc.
>
> Its *WIKIPEDIANS* who have to do a whole lot of things from scholarships
> to programs to PR to finances to editing wiki pages(If you see wikimania's
> have a wiki for itself) to a whole lot of things which cannot be
> outsourced. WCI showed us how we were incredibly short of hands in each of
> these things. For the sake of calling it community conference, things
> *have* to be done by the *community*. If we dont feel like we have the
> community, we must be content with what we do and not aim at events which
> are way out of reach.
>
> -1 for any wikimania bid from India till 2014.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:18, Noopur  wrote:

> the organizing bit is outsourced to experienced event managers


Not in totality. What can be outsourced are things like food / hotels /
logistics etc.

Its *WIKIPEDIANS* who have to do a whole lot of things from scholarships to
programs to PR to finances to editing wiki pages(If you see wikimania's
have a wiki for itself) to a whole lot of things which cannot be
outsourced. WCI showed us how we were incredibly short of hands in each of
these things. For the sake of calling it community conference, things
*have* to be done by the *community*. If we dont feel like we have the
community, we must be content with what we do and not aim at events which
are way out of reach.

-1 for any wikimania bid from India till 2014.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid

[Noopur]

Just a small suggestion/food for thought: Mostly in events like Wikimania
or others that bring together content experts, the organizing bit is
outsourced to experienced event managers who work in collaboration and
understand the needs of the community. I think we should consider getting
someone like that (like Netra and Moksh helped) who can help figure out
formative logistics before any event is declared.That could be a useful
starting point.
Cheers
Noopur

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Shiju Alex wrote:

> +1 Ashwin.
>
> As far as I know none of the Wiki communities of India (either language or
> city) are in a stage to host an international conference. For time being
> let us concentrate on building communities and let us gain confidence by
> doing some good regional and language specific conferences.
>
> Shiju
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
>> As one intimately involved in the planning and execution of the last
>> WikiConference India, we need to have a cold rational thought on this
>> process for bidding for Wikimania, not hubris.
>>
>> Without prejudice to User:Vibhijain, a bid from Delhi cannot be made
>> unilaterally by an under-age editor  who is not in a position to
>> execute any of the responsible roles. There should be a requirement
>> for each bidding city community to show support and backing. Otherwise
>> the bid should be thrown out.
>>
>> That Delhi has editors is without question, the real question is does
>> Delhi have a strong and united wikicommunity which will be able to
>> take on this kind of huge commitment? There are few signs of such an
>> established community, not withstanding lot of relatively new editors
>> such as Noopur taking up new activities to do which hopefully will
>> lead to a strong and vibrant community in the future.
>>
>> For the reasons mentioned above, the Delhi bid should be re-examined
>> in all seriousness.
>>
>> I'm not siding with Mumbai either. In my opinion, we should have a few
>> more WikiConferences India before we ask for Wikimania. India needs
>> WikiConference Indias, not to host the international community. It is
>> akin to the person who has not yet furnished his house or setup his
>> residence in a city falling over himself to invite others from
>> outside.
>>
>> WikiConference India 2011 stretched the volunteer community of the
>> nation's Wikipedians and was possible due to the unflinching support
>> of so many others not from the city. Which is as it should be. So can
>> the country deal with both a WikiConference and Wikimania in the same
>> year? I think not. Suppose another city, say Kolkata hosted
>> WikiConference India, where would the funds, volunteers attention go?
>> I think it is a raw deal for the city hosting the WikiConference. The
>> amount of volunteer effort which goes into these is not funny. I think
>> around 5000 edits worth of effort of mine went into the Conference.
>>
>> WikiConference India 2011 proved to be beyond the resources of Mumbai
>> wikipedians alone. If they have bid for Wikimania 2013, can they
>> assure the Indian wikipedian community that they can tackle this even
>> larger event without extensive external help when they could not
>> tackle the smaller?
>>
>> If Indian editors are supposed to all join in loyally to support
>> Mumbai should it  win the bid, isn't it right that Mumbai ask the
>> community's opinion at large first before bidding instead of taking it
>> for granted that Indian volunteers will pitch in when needed?
>>
>> I do not grudge supporting Mumbai, I identify strongly with it and
>> will do whatever I can do to help those wonderful guys, but I strongly
>> feel that this light hearted attitude to such serious subjects in fact
>> takes the rest of the Indian community for granted.
>>
>> My own personal take is let this opportunity go. Let us have
>> WikiConferences 2012 and 2013 and bid instead for Wikimania 2014 and
>> that year we should not have a WikiConference. 2013 is too early. The
>> need of the hour is building strong Indian wikipedias and communities
>> not hosting foreigners.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Béria Lima  wrote:
>> > Since we have not one, but two bids from India,  I think that is
>> important
>> > to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work
>> > together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both
>> under
>> > the right section in the page)
>> > _
>> > Béria Lima
>> > (351) 925 171 484
>> >
>> > Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>> livre
>> > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
>> > esse sonho.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of
>> >> Wikimania 2013. All bids m

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid

[Shiju Alex]

+1 Ashwin.

As far as I know none of the Wiki communities of India (either language or
city) are in a stage to host an international conference. For time being
let us concentrate on building communities and let us gain confidence by
doing some good regional and language specific conferences.

Shiju


On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> As one intimately involved in the planning and execution of the last
> WikiConference India, we need to have a cold rational thought on this
> process for bidding for Wikimania, not hubris.
>
> Without prejudice to User:Vibhijain, a bid from Delhi cannot be made
> unilaterally by an under-age editor  who is not in a position to
> execute any of the responsible roles. There should be a requirement
> for each bidding city community to show support and backing. Otherwise
> the bid should be thrown out.
>
> That Delhi has editors is without question, the real question is does
> Delhi have a strong and united wikicommunity which will be able to
> take on this kind of huge commitment? There are few signs of such an
> established community, not withstanding lot of relatively new editors
> such as Noopur taking up new activities to do which hopefully will
> lead to a strong and vibrant community in the future.
>
> For the reasons mentioned above, the Delhi bid should be re-examined
> in all seriousness.
>
> I'm not siding with Mumbai either. In my opinion, we should have a few
> more WikiConferences India before we ask for Wikimania. India needs
> WikiConference Indias, not to host the international community. It is
> akin to the person who has not yet furnished his house or setup his
> residence in a city falling over himself to invite others from
> outside.
>
> WikiConference India 2011 stretched the volunteer community of the
> nation's Wikipedians and was possible due to the unflinching support
> of so many others not from the city. Which is as it should be. So can
> the country deal with both a WikiConference and Wikimania in the same
> year? I think not. Suppose another city, say Kolkata hosted
> WikiConference India, where would the funds, volunteers attention go?
> I think it is a raw deal for the city hosting the WikiConference. The
> amount of volunteer effort which goes into these is not funny. I think
> around 5000 edits worth of effort of mine went into the Conference.
>
> WikiConference India 2011 proved to be beyond the resources of Mumbai
> wikipedians alone. If they have bid for Wikimania 2013, can they
> assure the Indian wikipedian community that they can tackle this even
> larger event without extensive external help when they could not
> tackle the smaller?
>
> If Indian editors are supposed to all join in loyally to support
> Mumbai should it  win the bid, isn't it right that Mumbai ask the
> community's opinion at large first before bidding instead of taking it
> for granted that Indian volunteers will pitch in when needed?
>
> I do not grudge supporting Mumbai, I identify strongly with it and
> will do whatever I can do to help those wonderful guys, but I strongly
> feel that this light hearted attitude to such serious subjects in fact
> takes the rest of the Indian community for granted.
>
> My own personal take is let this opportunity go. Let us have
> WikiConferences 2012 and 2013 and bid instead for Wikimania 2014 and
> that year we should not have a WikiConference. 2013 is too early. The
> need of the hour is building strong Indian wikipedias and communities
> not hosting foreigners.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Béria Lima  wrote:
> > Since we have not one, but two bids from India,  I think that is
> important
> > to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work
> > together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both
> under
> > the right section in the page)
> > _
> > Béria Lima
> > (351) 925 171 484
> >
> > Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre
> > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
> > esse sonho.
> >
> >
> > On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of
> >> Wikimania 2013. All bids made so far are *unofficial* and cannot be
> >> considered, as long as they are not in the list of official bids on
> >> this page:
> >>
> >>   http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids
> >>
> >> The possibility to make an official bid closes at ***January 28, 23:59
> >> UTC***, this is in less than five days! So hurry up if you want
> >> Wikimania to happen at your place. :)
> >>
> >> Note that you then have two more months to make your actual bid (and
> >> one more month to refine it). You don't need to have everything
> >> completely ready by now, so don't worry. :) For now, just create the
> >> bid page and list

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid

[CherianTinu Abraham]

I strongly concur with the most of the thoughts of Ashwin below.

The need of the hour is the build the strong Indian Wikipedias and
Wiki-communities within India.
IMHO, We are too early to host a Wikimania in India. While we had a
successful Wikiconference Mumbai, I think we all agree that we were still
short of lot of hands and infrastructure.
Based on my experiences of attending previous Wikimanias, I can say that
the standards should be much high, when you are hosting a Wikimania, where
more than 500+ international delegates attend. ( Except yea, in Gdansk ;) )

My personal suggestion is that we withdraw the bids for Delhi / Mumbai for
Wikimania 2013. We should a host a few more Wiki-Conferences at different
cities in India annually, till we are mature enough for a Wikimania ( may
be in 2014-16).  Also, there is no need of a national Wikiconference on the
same year we are hosting a Wikimania.

Regards
Tinu Cherian



On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> As one intimately involved in the planning and execution of the last
> WikiConference India, we need to have a cold rational thought on this
> process for bidding for Wikimania, not hubris.
>
> Without prejudice to User:Vibhijain, a bid from Delhi cannot be made
> unilaterally by an under-age editor  who is not in a position to
> execute any of the responsible roles. There should be a requirement
> for each bidding city community to show support and backing. Otherwise
> the bid should be thrown out.
>
> That Delhi has editors is without question, the real question is does
> Delhi have a strong and united wikicommunity which will be able to
> take on this kind of huge commitment? There are few signs of such an
> established community, not withstanding lot of relatively new editors
> such as Noopur taking up new activities to do which hopefully will
> lead to a strong and vibrant community in the future.
>
> For the reasons mentioned above, the Delhi bid should be re-examined
> in all seriousness.
>
> I'm not siding with Mumbai either. In my opinion, we should have a few
> more WikiConferences India before we ask for Wikimania. India needs
> WikiConference Indias, not to host the international community. It is
> akin to the person who has not yet furnished his house or setup his
> residence in a city falling over himself to invite others from
> outside.
>
> WikiConference India 2011 stretched the volunteer community of the
> nation's Wikipedians and was possible due to the unflinching support
> of so many others not from the city. Which is as it should be. So can
> the country deal with both a WikiConference and Wikimania in the same
> year? I think not. Suppose another city, say Kolkata hosted
> WikiConference India, where would the funds, volunteers attention go?
> I think it is a raw deal for the city hosting the WikiConference. The
> amount of volunteer effort which goes into these is not funny. I think
> around 5000 edits worth of effort of mine went into the Conference.
>
> WikiConference India 2011 proved to be beyond the resources of Mumbai
> wikipedians alone. If they have bid for Wikimania 2013, can they
> assure the Indian wikipedian community that they can tackle this even
> larger event without extensive external help when they could not
> tackle the smaller?
>
> If Indian editors are supposed to all join in loyally to support
> Mumbai should it  win the bid, isn't it right that Mumbai ask the
> community's opinion at large first before bidding instead of taking it
> for granted that Indian volunteers will pitch in when needed?
>
> I do not grudge supporting Mumbai, I identify strongly with it and
> will do whatever I can do to help those wonderful guys, but I strongly
> feel that this light hearted attitude to such serious subjects in fact
> takes the rest of the Indian community for granted.
>
> My own personal take is let this opportunity go. Let us have
> WikiConferences 2012 and 2013 and bid instead for Wikimania 2014 and
> that year we should not have a WikiConference. 2013 is too early. The
> need of the hour is building strong Indian wikipedias and communities
> not hosting foreigners.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Béria Lima  wrote:
> > Since we have not one, but two bids from India,  I think that is
> important
> > to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work
> > together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both
> under
> > the right section in the page)
> > _
> > Béria Lima
> > (351) 925 171 484
> >
> > Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre
> > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
> > esse sonho.
> >
> >
> > On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of
> >> Wikimania 2013. All bids

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid

[Pradeep Mohandas]

hi,

If I understand it correctly, the Mumbai bid has been left as a
placeholder bid from India. If such a placeholder bid is not needed,
we'd like to initiate discussions on the Mumbai list on the status of
our bid and make the appropriate announcement on the Mumbai
community's decision on the same. We have not initiated this
discussion so far but I think it is one that me started on the Mumbai
list. Will let everyone know.

Pradeep
Handheld

On 24/01/2012, Ashwin Baindur  wrote:
> As one intimately involved in the planning and execution of the last
> WikiConference India, we need to have a cold rational thought on this
> process for bidding for Wikimania, not hubris.
>
> Without prejudice to User:Vibhijain, a bid from Delhi cannot be made
> unilaterally by an under-age editor  who is not in a position to
> execute any of the responsible roles. There should be a requirement
> for each bidding city community to show support and backing. Otherwise
> the bid should be thrown out.
>
> That Delhi has editors is without question, the real question is does
> Delhi have a strong and united wikicommunity which will be able to
> take on this kind of huge commitment? There are few signs of such an
> established community, not withstanding lot of relatively new editors
> such as Noopur taking up new activities to do which hopefully will
> lead to a strong and vibrant community in the future.
>
> For the reasons mentioned above, the Delhi bid should be re-examined
> in all seriousness.
>
> I'm not siding with Mumbai either. In my opinion, we should have a few
> more WikiConferences India before we ask for Wikimania. India needs
> WikiConference Indias, not to host the international community. It is
> akin to the person who has not yet furnished his house or setup his
> residence in a city falling over himself to invite others from
> outside.
>
> WikiConference India 2011 stretched the volunteer community of the
> nation's Wikipedians and was possible due to the unflinching support
> of so many others not from the city. Which is as it should be. So can
> the country deal with both a WikiConference and Wikimania in the same
> year? I think not. Suppose another city, say Kolkata hosted
> WikiConference India, where would the funds, volunteers attention go?
> I think it is a raw deal for the city hosting the WikiConference. The
> amount of volunteer effort which goes into these is not funny. I think
> around 5000 edits worth of effort of mine went into the Conference.
>
> WikiConference India 2011 proved to be beyond the resources of Mumbai
> wikipedians alone. If they have bid for Wikimania 2013, can they
> assure the Indian wikipedian community that they can tackle this even
> larger event without extensive external help when they could not
> tackle the smaller?
>
> If Indian editors are supposed to all join in loyally to support
> Mumbai should it  win the bid, isn't it right that Mumbai ask the
> community's opinion at large first before bidding instead of taking it
> for granted that Indian volunteers will pitch in when needed?
>
> I do not grudge supporting Mumbai, I identify strongly with it and
> will do whatever I can do to help those wonderful guys, but I strongly
> feel that this light hearted attitude to such serious subjects in fact
> takes the rest of the Indian community for granted.
>
> My own personal take is let this opportunity go. Let us have
> WikiConferences 2012 and 2013 and bid instead for Wikimania 2014 and
> that year we should not have a WikiConference. 2013 is too early. The
> need of the hour is building strong Indian wikipedias and communities
> not hosting foreigners.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Béria Lima  wrote:
>> Since we have not one, but two bids from India,  I think that is important
>> to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work
>> together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both under
>> the right section in the page)
>> _
>> Béria Lima
>> (351) 925 171 484
>>
>> Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>> livre
>> acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
>> esse sonho.
>>
>>
>> On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of
>>> Wikimania 2013. All bids made so far are *unofficial* and cannot be
>>> considered, as long as they are not in the list of official bids on
>>> this page:
>>>
>>>   http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids
>>>
>>> The possibility to make an official bid closes at ***January 28, 23:59
>>> UTC***, this is in less than five days! So hurry up if you want
>>> Wikimania to happen at your place. :)
>>>
>>> Note that you then have two more months to make your actual bid (and
>>> one more month to refine it). You don't need to have everything
>>>

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid

[Ashwin Baindur]

As one intimately involved in the planning and execution of the last
WikiConference India, we need to have a cold rational thought on this
process for bidding for Wikimania, not hubris.

Without prejudice to User:Vibhijain, a bid from Delhi cannot be made
unilaterally by an under-age editor  who is not in a position to
execute any of the responsible roles. There should be a requirement
for each bidding city community to show support and backing. Otherwise
the bid should be thrown out.

That Delhi has editors is without question, the real question is does
Delhi have a strong and united wikicommunity which will be able to
take on this kind of huge commitment? There are few signs of such an
established community, not withstanding lot of relatively new editors
such as Noopur taking up new activities to do which hopefully will
lead to a strong and vibrant community in the future.

For the reasons mentioned above, the Delhi bid should be re-examined
in all seriousness.

I'm not siding with Mumbai either. In my opinion, we should have a few
more WikiConferences India before we ask for Wikimania. India needs
WikiConference Indias, not to host the international community. It is
akin to the person who has not yet furnished his house or setup his
residence in a city falling over himself to invite others from
outside.

WikiConference India 2011 stretched the volunteer community of the
nation's Wikipedians and was possible due to the unflinching support
of so many others not from the city. Which is as it should be. So can
the country deal with both a WikiConference and Wikimania in the same
year? I think not. Suppose another city, say Kolkata hosted
WikiConference India, where would the funds, volunteers attention go?
I think it is a raw deal for the city hosting the WikiConference. The
amount of volunteer effort which goes into these is not funny. I think
around 5000 edits worth of effort of mine went into the Conference.

WikiConference India 2011 proved to be beyond the resources of Mumbai
wikipedians alone. If they have bid for Wikimania 2013, can they
assure the Indian wikipedian community that they can tackle this even
larger event without extensive external help when they could not
tackle the smaller?

If Indian editors are supposed to all join in loyally to support
Mumbai should it  win the bid, isn't it right that Mumbai ask the
community's opinion at large first before bidding instead of taking it
for granted that Indian volunteers will pitch in when needed?

I do not grudge supporting Mumbai, I identify strongly with it and
will do whatever I can do to help those wonderful guys, but I strongly
feel that this light hearted attitude to such serious subjects in fact
takes the rest of the Indian community for granted.

My own personal take is let this opportunity go. Let us have
WikiConferences 2012 and 2013 and bid instead for Wikimania 2014 and
that year we should not have a WikiConference. 2013 is too early. The
need of the hour is building strong Indian wikipedias and communities
not hosting foreigners.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Béria Lima  wrote:
> Since we have not one, but two bids from India,  I think that is important
> to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work
> together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both under
> the right section in the page)
> _
> Béria Lima
> (351) 925 171 484
>
> Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
> acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
> esse sonho.
>
>
> On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer  wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of
>> Wikimania 2013. All bids made so far are *unofficial* and cannot be
>> considered, as long as they are not in the list of official bids on
>> this page:
>>
>>   http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids
>>
>> The possibility to make an official bid closes at ***January 28, 23:59
>> UTC***, this is in less than five days! So hurry up if you want
>> Wikimania to happen at your place. :)
>>
>> Note that you then have two more months to make your actual bid (and
>> one more month to refine it). You don't need to have everything
>> completely ready by now, so don't worry. :) For now, just create the
>> bid page and list it under "Official bids". Please don't forget to
>> list your organizing team members on the bid page. (All of them should
>> enable their email function on the Meta wiki, so that we can reach all
>> of you easily.)
>>
>> On behalf of the jury
>> Thomas.
>> (User:Thogo)
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] REMINDER: Wikimania 2013 - invitation to bid

[Béria Lima]

Since we have not one, but two bids from India,  I think that is important
to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work
together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both under
the right section in the page)
_
*Béria Lima*
(351) 925 171 484

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. *


On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of
> Wikimania 2013. All bids made so far are *unofficial* and cannot be
> considered, as long as they are not in the list of official bids on
> this page:
>
>   http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids
>
> The possibility to make an official bid closes at ***January 28, 23:59
> UTC***, this is in less than five days! So hurry up if you want
> Wikimania to happen at your place. :)
>
> Note that you then have two more months to make your actual bid (and
> one more month to refine it). You don't need to have everything
> completely ready by now, so don't worry. :) For now, just create the
> bid page and list it under "Official bids". Please don't forget to
> list your organizing team members on the bid page. (All of them should
> enable their email function on the Meta wiki, so that we can reach all
> of you easily.)
>
> On behalf of the jury
> Thomas.
> (User:Thogo)
>
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> foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org
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