Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Please read mails in this thread. Counter acting first mail, some people forwarding the idea that one's contribution is relevant if only they are contributing through a free software. Which is totally wrong. Selecting a convenient software is user's option. And even sometimes they have no options other than using a non-free software. Similarly and Unfortunately, your brinjalism has also no relavance in wikimedia contribution environment. On 06/01/2012, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously, you don't understand, WHO is forcing you? There is nothing to rebel against. This is my last post on this issue but not on brinjal. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Praveen Prakash me.prav...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: On a lighter vein, this will give a nice script for a conspiracy theory - * One cannot demoralize a wikimedian by peeping into the license of software which he/she uses to contribute wikimedia projects. * Rest assured, Praveen, that other than hoping that we will get enlightened by expressing their views, FOSS advocates have no agenda towards us non-FOSS Wikimedians. You and I can continue to use Windows/proprietary software and hate brinjals in peace. You may use windows or hate brinjal, don't force me to do exactly same as you. I've my own choice (as any one else). ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- With love Praveen http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Praveenp:talkhttp://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Praveenp ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On 6 January 2012 20:49, praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: Please read mails in this thread. Counter acting first mail, some people forwarding the idea that one's contribution is relevant if only they are contributing through a free software. Which is totally wrong. Agreed. So long as the output is in an open standard, that is fine. Wikipedia is very strong on open standards - hence the Commons limitations on file types. Especially audio and video. The beauty of FOSS is that choice is intrinsic to it. Personally, I like my brinjal fried. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
FOSS and wikimedia project have some similarities but they are different projects. Wikimedians are not a subgroup of FOSS followers, infact most of them living outside ideal FOSS world (I use free softwares, but i don't like FOSS extremism, many others using non-free softwares). I don't think there is any possibility to impose any POV to wikimedians in the name of FOSS if there is a good wikimedia community. That is not very hard, since the people with particular aim rarely contribute outside mailing list or talk page. On 04/01/2012, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem It was not. Instead of articulating same point again, i pointed the link. It does not matter even if it someone else's article . Please respond to it that , instead of rejecting it only because of seeing jimbo's name there Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- With love Praveen http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Praveenp:talkhttp://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Praveenp ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On 5 January 2012 19:02, Praveen Prakash me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: softwares, but i don't like FOSS extremism, many others using non-free softwares). Agreed. Extremism, FOSS, Wikipedian or otherwise, isn't a good thing. Choice, on the other hand, is. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Well elucidated, Praveen. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 05/01/2012, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 5 January 2012 19:02, Praveen Prakash me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: softwares, but i don't like FOSS extremism, many others using non-free softwares). Agreed. Extremism, FOSS, Wikipedian or otherwise, isn't a good thing. Choice, on the other hand, is. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Praveen, I'm assuming good faith in thinking that you do not mean to accuse FOSS advocates of imposing their POV on Wikimedians in general. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: Well elucidated, Praveen. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 05/01/2012, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 5 January 2012 19:02, Praveen Prakash me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: softwares, but i don't like FOSS extremism, many others using non-free softwares). Agreed. Extremism, FOSS, Wikipedian or otherwise, isn't a good thing. Choice, on the other hand, is. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Excuse me for commenting here, I am not a techie, hence I assume, it might not be the best place for me to comment, but after so many discussion over FOSS or not, (yes, I googled what is FOSS) and I just want to know, is this discussion really necessary? Is it really necessary to get into long drawn discussions as to whether it is FOSS or not? I may be out of place, hence, please Assume Good Faith. I just wanted to know the relevance. -- Regards, Debanjan* - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Praveen, I'm assuming good faith in thinking that you do not mean to accuse FOSS advocates of imposing their POV on Wikimedians in general. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: Well elucidated, Praveen. warm regards, Pradeep Handheld On 05/01/2012, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 5 January 2012 19:02, Praveen Prakash me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: softwares, but i don't like FOSS extremism, many others using non-free softwares). Agreed. Extremism, FOSS, Wikipedian or otherwise, isn't a good thing. Choice, on the other hand, is. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Praveen, I'm assuming good faith in thinking that you do not mean to accuse FOSS advocates of imposing their POV on Wikimedians in general. Whatever! FOSS or Something else! One cannot demoralize a wikimedian by peeping into the license of software which he/she uses to contribute wikimedia projects. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On a lighter vein, this will give a nice script for a conspiracy theory - * One cannot demoralize a wikimedian by peeping into the license of software which he/she uses to contribute wikimedia projects. * Rest assured, Praveen, that other than hoping that we will get enlightened by expressing their views, FOSS advocates have no agenda towards us non-FOSS Wikimedians. You and I can continue to use Windows/proprietary software and hate brinjals in peace. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Praveen Prakash me.prav...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Praveen, I'm assuming good faith in thinking that you do not mean to accuse FOSS advocates of imposing their POV on Wikimedians in general. Whatever! FOSS or Something else! One cannot demoralize a wikimedian by peeping into the license of software which he/she uses to contribute wikimedia projects. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: On a lighter vein, this will give a nice script for a conspiracy theory - * One cannot demoralize a wikimedian by peeping into the license of software which he/she uses to contribute wikimedia projects. * Rest assured, Praveen, that other than hoping that we will get enlightened by expressing their views, FOSS advocates have no agenda towards us non-FOSS Wikimedians. You and I can continue to use Windows/proprietary software and hate brinjals in peace. You may use windows or hate brinjal, don't force me to do exactly same as you. I've my own choice (as any one else). ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Obviously, you don't understand, WHO is forcing you? There is nothing to rebel against. This is my last post on this issue but not on brinjal. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Praveen Prakash me.prav...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: On a lighter vein, this will give a nice script for a conspiracy theory - * One cannot demoralize a wikimedian by peeping into the license of software which he/she uses to contribute wikimedia projects. * Rest assured, Praveen, that other than hoping that we will get enlightened by expressing their views, FOSS advocates have no agenda towards us non-FOSS Wikimedians. You and I can continue to use Windows/proprietary software and hate brinjals in peace. You may use windows or hate brinjal, don't force me to do exactly same as you. I've my own choice (as any one else). ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Heya, I think it is time to make a clear distinction between FOSS and Wikipedia out here. Wikipedia is NOT FOSS and FOSS is NOT Wikipedia. Only the basic ideology is the same, nothing else. Several of us, including Me, Pradeep have been victims of FOSS activism, both on the list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Sathyamangalam-Gobichettipalayam Star Gazers Gang, Ukkadam, Coimbatore. My Commons uploads, now exceeding 75. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Rsrikanth05 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-free-file-formats/ -- [It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information. - Donald Knuth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem From: anivar.arav...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-free-file-formats/ -- [It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information. - Donald Knuth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Please attack the argument on merit. Not the person articulating them. Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Jan 4, 2012 2:16 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem -- From: anivar.arav...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-free-file-formats/ -- [It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information. - Donald Knuth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
I was not attacking anyone, with reference to the link forwarded, pointing to this statement: I think that almost any argument, on any topic, which has premises beginning with Jimbo said... is a pretty weak argument. Surely the merits of the proposal should be primary, not what I happen to think. - Jimmy Wales Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:32:32 +0530 From: gau...@prathambooks.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia Please attack the argument on merit. Not the person articulating them. Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Jan 4, 2012 2:16 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem From: anivar.arav...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-free-file-formats/ -- [It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information. - Donald Knuth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
With due respect to Jimmy Wales, Free Knowledge may run on Free Software but doesn't need to be contributed using Free Software. I remember the time when some FOSS activists/extremists didn't like me editing Wikipedia because I use Windows and Opera, neither of which are FOSS. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a Toll Plaza. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
hi, My only contribution to this shall be this. I am irritated at a PoV being pushed on the list sometimes that FOSS is the best way of doing things. People who edit Wikipedia comes from various backgrounds and FOSS advocates on this list have pushed me towards Microsoft products and I've found that some of their products are better than FOSS alternatives. Eg. MS Office. The outburst above is irrational. MediaWiki is FOSS. Perhaps, some technological under-pinnings (server, bots etc) are FOSS. What makes Wikipedia, and the important content is contribution by the people. They come from various backgrounds and belief systems. Not everyone supports FOSS and I am comfortable with this. We only share a need to share our knowledge and while open stuff enables it, we're not tied down by it. I do not see the need to bring time and again, the contributions of FOSS to Wikipedia on several threads. We acknowledge their contribution, that is all they ask for when they provide the user with the software. When we took their software, we did not know that we had to follow their methodologies to implement Wikipedia as well. Pradeep User:Prad2609 Handheld On 04/01/2012, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: I was not attacking anyone, with reference to the link forwarded, pointing to this statement: I think that almost any argument, on any topic, which has premises beginning with Jimbo said... is a pretty weak argument. Surely the merits of the proposal should be primary, not what I happen to think. - Jimmy Wales Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:32:32 +0530 From: gau...@prathambooks.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia Please attack the argument on merit. Not the person articulating them. Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Jan 4, 2012 2:16 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem From: anivar.arav...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-free-file-formats/ -- [It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information. - Donald Knuth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem It was not. Instead of articulating same point again, i pointed the link. It does not matter even if it someone else's article . Please respond to it that , instead of rejecting it only because of seeing jimbo's name there Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Would have been good to mention that when you posted the link. I have said what I have to, I will not be commenting on this thread any further. IMHO This subject has been debated enough on this list in the last few months, we surely have more positive stuff to discuss. From: anivar.arav...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:20:18 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem It was not. Instead of articulating same point again, i pointed the link. It does not matter even if it someone else's article . Please respond to it that , instead of rejecting it only because of seeing jimbo's name there Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:31 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Would have been good to mention that when you posted the link. I am not much aware about such strange rules in English wikipedia :-) Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
You do not provide only references, you write the relevant paragraph that you are referencing. We did not think that we should write that down. The originator of this thread has informed me that he has left the list. Agree with Pranav, that we have much better things to do than discuss this. If this matter is raised by other party on this list, we can tackle it there, if needed or ignore. Pradeep On 04/01/2012, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:31 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Would have been good to mention that when you posted the link. I am not much aware about such strange rules in English wikipedia :-) Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: You do not provide only references, you write the relevant paragraph that you are referencing. We did not think that we should write that down. The whole article is relevant in the context of this thread, so why replicate? Stopping my mails on this thread -- Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
I think people need to increase their tolerance level for what is not bad faith or unencyclopedic on this list. It seems that just mentioning FOSS is enough to trigger off rejoinders. See WP:IDONTLIKEIT This list exists to discuss matters related to Wikimedia community at large. Occasionally it has stuff like Indic language issues or tech issues which I do not comprehend or particularly interest me. But that is no reason for the thread not to exist. Similarly FOSS may come up like any other word in some context or the other. This whole business started because someone objected to a harmless occurrence of the word FOSS. If that person had not reacted to that harmless incidental use perhaps the thread would not have just got out of control as it has. As regards FOSS, I dont use FOSS myself but respect its use, its proponents and principles. I came to Wikipedia because I thought its principles are like FOSS and people friendly. But I don't do FOSS for mostly no reason at all and I am very comfortable with this ambiguity. If anyone doesn't like FOSS, feel completely free not to, but please don't feel free to erupt in outburst just because someone used the F-word. Paraphrasing a quote of Salman Rushdie :* Free speech means I write what I like, you read what you like, I say what I feel, you listen to what you want.* So I request that we may all simmer down a bit. If this continues then I would like to join them since I cant beat them. This I shall do by getting upset about the abhorrent word *baingan. *I dont like the taste of Brinjal and I promise to erupt in protest whenever the use of the term brinjal is used on this list, culinary or otherwise. BTW got to place an AFD on [[Brinjal]]. I am NOT joking. I'm serious, Brinjal must go! Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: So I request that we may all simmer down a bit. If this continues then I would like to join them since I cant beat them. This I shall do by getting upset about the abhorrent word *baingan. *I dont like the taste of Brinjal and I promise to erupt in protest whenever the use of the term brinjal is used on this list, culinary or otherwise. BTW got to place an AFD on [[Brinjal]]. I am NOT joking. I'm serious, Brinjal must go! +1 -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
