Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

I'll be closing the survey shortly, so if you want to fill it in but haven't 
yet, then please do so today!

Thanks,
Mike

> On 20 Sep 2015, at 18:32, Michael Peel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The survey is now live at:
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JJMNVVD 
> 
> Please fill it in!
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[D'Arcy Myers]

Dear Mike
Good survey. Is it too late to add a contacts section at the end for people
who would like to leave their details so that they can receive a summary of
the survey findings?
Kind regards
D'Arcy

On 20 September 2015 at 17:32, Michael Peel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
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> Please fill it in!
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> Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Michael Peel]

Hi D'Arcy,

Thanks! I've now added that option at the end. People can also sign up on-wiki 
at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey/notification_list 

to receive a summary of the findings.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 21 Sep 2015, at 08:18, D'Arcy Myers  wrote:
> 
> Dear Mike
> Good survey. Is it too late to add a contacts section at the end for people 
> who would like to leave their details so that they can receive a summary of 
> the survey findings?
> Kind regards
> D'Arcy
> 
> On 20 September 2015 at 17:32, Michael Peel  > wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The survey is now live at:
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JJMNVVD 
> 
> Please fill it in!
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[D'Arcy Myers]

Great.
D'Arcy

On 21 September 2015 at 09:04, Michael Peel  wrote:

> Hi D'Arcy,
>
> Thanks! I've now added that option at the end. People can also sign up
> on-wiki at:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey/notification_list
> to receive a summary of the findings.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 08:18, D'Arcy Myers 
> wrote:
>
> Dear Mike
> Good survey. Is it too late to add a contacts section at the end for
> people who would like to leave their details so that they can receive a
> summary of the survey findings?
> Kind regards
> D'Arcy
>
> On 20 September 2015 at 17:32, Michael Peel  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
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>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JJMNVVD
>> Please fill it in!
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

The survey is now live at:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JJMNVVD 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

Thanks for your comments! And sorry for the delay in moving this forward. I 
think it's now pretty much finalised, so if anyone has any last comments please 
let me know. The latest version is at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey#Survey

In response to a couple of the points raised:

 On 14 May 2015, at 07:55, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:
 
 This sounds a very worthwhile exercise and subject to comments by D'Arcy and 
 the staff team I think it's very likely that this could be done association 
 with WMUK.  No doubt the bulk of the work in preparing the survey and 
 analysing the results would be done by a group of volunteers, with you 
 leading (volunteers in front, as it should be!).  Do you have an idea of what 
 resources you'd like from the charity?  Perhaps WMUK could use its volunteer 
 and member database to broaden the reach of the survey by distributing it by 
 email?


Thanks! The resources I'm hoping WMUK can provide are:
- Access to survey software to run the survey (e.g., surveymonkey);
- Oversight to make sure that the survey data is kept confidential and deleted 
after the results have been compiled;
- Distribution through its volunteer/membership database.
I'll email D'Arcy and Richard to see if this is possible, and to start 
preparing the survey to be run.

 On 18 May 2015, at 12:12, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com 
 wrote:
 
 I had one comment, about audience(s). There are people who attend meetups, 
 and people who might. There are those who organise them, and again those who 
 might. Some division up of questions accordingly could be helpful.

There are questions about how many wikimeets people have attended, and I've 
also added one about whether they've organised one. I'm not sure that we want 
to ask each group different questions; I think this is where cross-correlations 
between the different answers might provide useful insights.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Richard Farmbrough]

I spent many happy months in Stratford, programming a GEAC 9000.  I think
that was before posh shops like Waitrose arrived.

On 29 June 2015 at 17:34, Edward Saperia edsape...@gmail.com wrote:



  My feeling is that London is such a big city that it could support a
 number of new initiatives like this at different points of the compass,
 while keeping the regular meetup as a pub lunch in Pederel's Oak. I will
 keep my eyes open to see if anyone else steps forward on this.


 I'd be keen to host some stuff in my venue, if anyone wants to organise
 anything. If you're coming to the AGM you'll get to see it.

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  On 02 June 2015 at 18:32 leu...@fabiant.eu leu...@fabiant.eu wrote:

  Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on
 meeting in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this
 has been discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a
 venue and start organising a meet up, rather than talk about it.

  all the best

  Fabian (User:Leutha)


  On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in
  the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the
  survey supports that viewpoint.
 
  People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just
  religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly
  supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions
  made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't
  want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I
  have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a
  little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch
  men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or
  in a quiet pub.
 
  Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.
 
  Fae
 
  On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
  
   Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
  
   Joe
  
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   Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Edward Saperia]

  My feeling is that London is such a big city that it could support a
 number of new initiatives like this at different points of the compass,
 while keeping the regular meetup as a pub lunch in Pederel's Oak. I will
 keep my eyes open to see if anyone else steps forward on this.


I'd be keen to host some stuff in my venue, if anyone wants to organise
anything. If you're coming to the AGM you'll get to see it.

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  On 02 June 2015 at 18:32 leu...@fabiant.eu leu...@fabiant.eu wrote:

  Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on
 meeting in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this
 has been discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a
 venue and start organising a meet up, rather than talk about it.

  all the best

  Fabian (User:Leutha)


  On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in
  the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the
  survey supports that viewpoint.
 
  People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just
  religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly
  supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions
  made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't
  want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I
  have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a
  little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch
  men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or
  in a quiet pub.
 
  Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.
 
  Fae
 
  On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
  
   Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
  
   Joe
  
   --
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   http://jossu.co.uk
  
   Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[leu...@fabiant.eu]

Well, following this we had our first East London Wiki Meetup
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/East_London/1 last Wednesday. We met in
Waitrose which is very quiet on a Wednesday evening. It is also cheap if you
have a Waitrose card, which means that you can get a free coffee paying the cost
of a cake which can be less than the price of the coffee.

Five of us gathered and I feel that we all generally enjoyed the occasion. We
are planning another in Stratford Westfield
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westfield_Stratford_City  in July.

My feeling is that London is such a big city that it could support a number of
new initiatives like this at different points of the compass, while keeping the
regular meetup as a pub lunch in Pederel's Oak. I will keep my eyes open to see
if anyone else steps forward on this.

all the best

Fabian

 On 02 June 2015 at 18:32 leu...@fabiant.eu leu...@fabiant.eu wrote:
 
  Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on
 meeting in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this has
 been discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a venue and
 start organising a meet up, rather than talk about it.
 
  all the best
 
  Fabian (User:Leutha)
 
 
   On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  
   After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in
   the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the
   survey supports that viewpoint.
  
   People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just
   religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly
   supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions
   made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't
   want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I
   have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a
   little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch
   men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or
   in a quiet pub.
  
   Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.
  
   Fae
  
   On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
   
Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
   
Joe
   
--
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http://jossu.co.uk
   
Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused to
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Gordon Joly]

On 28/06/15 14:48, leu...@fabiant.eu wrote:
 We met in Waitrose which is very quiet on a Wednesday evening.



Could pick my shopping too!

Was the John Lewis cafe? Waitrose is the lowest of several floors.

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[leu...@fabiant.eu]

I am afraid we did not pay attention to such issues. Have you got a reference
for that?

 On 28 June 2015 at 22:05 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:


 On 28/06/15 14:48, leu...@fabiant.eu wrote:
  We met in Waitrose which is very quiet on a Wednesday evening.



 Could pick my shopping too!

 Was the John Lewis cafe? Waitrose is the lowest of several floors.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Harry Burt]

On 2 Jun 2015 23:52, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:

 The big advantages of cafes and pubs is that people can come and go, can
 order food and drink if they wish, and don't look odd if the numbers are
 small or large.


Well put!


 The only cafe I know in Oxford is Greens which is next to the Bird and
 Baby in St Giles, is nice, if pricey, but has accessibility issues.


I think in the specific case of Oxford (and probably more generally) I am
pretty confident it would be possible to find a nice café (although not all
will have wheelchair access). Off the top of my head, the Turl Street
Kitchen is nice (if a bit trendy) and GD's (St Aldates) would give the
meetup a different vibe. Participants would be under a bit more pressure to
order *something* (Wetherspoons being very lax about this) but in those two
cases I've never had trouble.


 Possibly university, community, religious or GLAM space might be used
 especially if an additional event was involved, but we would be very lucky
 to get such a venue on a recurring basis.


Certainly in Oxford it is generally pretty easy for a student to book a
room at her/his own college, and many are without cost, although they tend
to be more lecture theatres in setup than cafés!

Harry

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[Andy Mabbett]

On 2 June 2015 at 23:52, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:

 The other aspect that could be very useful is lift-sharing

Third floor - BLPs and authority control. Going up!

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[HJ Mitchell]

I quite like the Cambridge format of meeting in a cafe and later decamping to a 
pub (especially since the pub is between the cafe and the railway station!).
Bear in mind, though, that meetups aren't necessarily just about meeting random 
Wikipedians - many regulars turn up month after month because they enjoy 
socialising with the other regulars (as well as new people). We want to attract 
new people without alienating the existing regulars. Harry 
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  Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on 
meeting in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this has 
been discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a venue and 
start organising a meet up, rather than talk about it.       all the best       
Fabian (User:Leutha)       


 On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: 
 
 
 After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in 
 the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the 
 survey supports that viewpoint. 
 
 People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just 
 religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly 
 supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions 
 made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't 
 want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I 
 have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a 
 little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch 
 men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or 
 in a quiet pub. 
 
 Call closing time on this tradition, we know better. 
 
 Fae 
 
 On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: 
  
  Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;) 
  
  Joe 
  
  -- 
  *Joe Sutherland* 
  http://jossu.co.uk 
  
  Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused to 
  join us. 
  
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[rexx]

While agreeing with Harry about meeting the regulars, I would maintain that
much of the success of a meetup relies on someone who finds the time to
schedule the meetup on a regular basis: Charles in Cambridge; Bazonka in
the North-West; Redrose64 in Oxford. Once you've got a steady schedule,
then you can look at varying times, days, venues to see if more editors can
be attracted. I'll certainly discuss the ideas at the next meetups that I
get to.

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On 2 June 2015 at 19:48, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 I quite like the Cambridge format of meeting in a cafe and later decamping
 to a pub (especially since the pub is between the cafe and the railway
 station!).

 Bear in mind, though, that meetups aren't necessarily just about meeting
 random Wikipedians - many regulars turn up month after month because they
 enjoy socialising with the other regulars (as well as new people). We want
 to attract new people without alienating the existing regulars.

 Harry Mitchell
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  Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on
 meeting in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this
 has been discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a
 venue and start organising a meet up, rather than talk about it.

  all the best

  Fabian (User:Leutha)




  On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in
  the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the
  survey supports that viewpoint.
 
  People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just
  religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly
  supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions
  made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't
  want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I
  have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a
  little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch
  men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or
  in a quiet pub.
 
  Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.
 
  Fae
 
  On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
  
   Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
  
   Joe
  
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   Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Fæ]

After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in
the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the
survey supports that viewpoint.

People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just
religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly
supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions
made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't
want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I
have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a
little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch
men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or
in a quiet pub.

Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.

Fae

On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)

 Joe

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Gordon Joly]

On 15/05/15 16:18, Fæ wrote:
 
 People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just
 religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years

I strangely like daytime pub meets now, having stopped all alcohol 18
months ago. I never liked lunch time drinking. Now, I go to the pub at
lunch time without the temptation to drink, since... I don't drink.

I take your points. But many meetups do have booze. For example, the
free beer and pizza of the long gone London Wiki Wednesdays.

London Wikimedia Meetup Number 94
Date and time: Sunday 14th June 2015 — 13:00 onwards

Nearly 100 meetings. A regular time slot (second Sunday of the month) is
a part of the success IMHO. Same idea for the London Unix User Group
(way back when).

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[leu...@fabiant.eu]

Whilst I take Fae's point, I don't think we need to call closing time on meeting
in pubs, but rather innovate other places to meet. And yes, this has been
discussed for ages, but all it needs is for someone to find a venue and start
organising a meet up, rather than talk about it.

all the best

Fabian (User:Leutha)


 On 15 May 2015 at 16:18 Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:


 After having been discussed with many non-pub suggestions raised in
 the past few years, I'd really like to see this change. I hope the
 survey supports that viewpoint.

 People have many reasons for not wanting to meet in pubs, not just
 religious. I've been teetotal for the last 15 years, and after sadly
 supporting two relatives who eventually died from medical conditions
 made much worse by never giving up drinking alcohol, I really don't
 want to be part of encouraging others to have the same lifestyle. I
 have never liked being near people affected by booze, they spook me a
 little due to being unpredictable. I guess many who are not big butch
 men like me, find the environment intimidating even on a quiet day or
 in a quiet pub.

 Call closing time on this tradition, we know better.

 Fae

 On 15 May 2015 at 12:31, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
 
  Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
 
  Joe
 
  --
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  http://jossu.co.uk
 
  Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused to
  join us.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Charles Matthews]

On 18 May 2015 at 09:46, D'Arcy Myers darcy.my...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Dear Mike
 I have compiled quite a number of surveys in my time and would be happy to
 go through the questions with you.


I had one comment, about audience(s). There are people who attend meetups,
and people who might. There are those who organise them, and again those
who might. Some division up of questions accordingly could be helpful.

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[D'Arcy Myers]

Dear Mike
I have compiled quite a number of surveys in my time and would be happy to
go through the questions with you.
Kind regards
D'Arcy

On 13 May 2015 at 22:13, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

 Hi all,

tl;dr summary: I'm planning to run a survey about wikimeets in the near
 future. Do you have any comments/suggestions on the draft? See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey

 At a recent meetup, a Wikipedian who was new to wikimeets pointed out that
 the event had the air of a gentleman's club about it. Looking around at the
 high-back comfy chairs, the Victorian-era interior decorations, the pints
 of real ale, and the mostly-male (and regular) attendees, I couldn't really
 disagree with their assessment. This started me thinking: are there better
 venues and times to hold meetups, or better ways of advertising/inviting
 people to planned meetups? What would make them more open and inviting to
 new editors, or the many long-term editors that have never attended a
 meetup?

 As an experiment to try to improve the attendance and advertising of
 wikimeets in the North of England, a few months ago I posted messages on
 the talk pages of previous wikimeet attendees about the last Leeds and
 Manchester wikimeets, and the Liverpool wikimeet coming up this weekend.
 There was, unexpectedly, a pretty good response, with a number of people
 signing up to attend the wikimeets. I'm not sure whether it was a direct
 consequence or not, but we had a long-term editor attend the last
 Manchester wikimeet who hadn't previously attended a wikimeet. I couldn't
 attend the last Leeds wikimeet: was anyone there and able to say whether it
 made a difference or not? I'm hoping that the irregular wikimeet attendees
 who have signed up for the Liverpool meetup will be there!

 It also started a longer conversation with Iridescent [1], which led to
 the idea of having some sort of a UK-wide notifications list. During that
 conversation, I started drafting a survey of past and potential wikimeet
 attendees with the aim of getting some quantified and actionable answers
 about how to improve wikimeets, and also improve communication about
 wikimeets. The latest draft of the survey is at:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey

 Amongst other things, the survey draft asks about how people get to
 wikimeets; when and where wikimeets should be held; what activities should
 take place at wikimeets; and how notifications about an upcoming meetup
 would ideally be circulated.

 I'm hoping to run this survey soon, so if you are interested in improving
 the survey questions then please send me an email or post on the talk page
 before the end of the month! In particular, if you currently organise (or
 regularly attend) wikimeets, then I'd greatly appreciate your
 input/feedback about the survey questions before it goes live. Ideally the
 survey would be run in association with WMUK, but given the recent turmoil
 I'm not sure if this will be possible, so I'll run it myself unless WMUK
 expresses an interest in helping out with it!

 Thanks,
 Mike

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Gordon Joly]

 Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
 
 Joe
 
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 http://jossu.co.uk

Yes, but I had a birthday party in a pub and a Muslim friend refused to
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[Gordon Joly]

On 15/05/15 12:10, Pat Hadley wrote:
 
 Great idea Mike! The Leeds wikimeet was pretty white and male apart from
 Katherine Bavage.


LOL.

Now, if you all watched W1A last night you know that the BBC has to
match the demographic (BAME, LGBTI) outside the BBC.

So, should wikimeeters not worry to much, since with a group men and one
women it might reflect the gender balance of editors?

Pub meets might not be attractive to those who do not drink, for
religious or other reasons.

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[Pat Hadley]

Well the cafe does serve booze.

P

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  Of course, it’s not mandatory to drink while in a pub. ;)
 
  Joe
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Chris McKenna]

On Thu, 14 May 2015, Gordon Joly wrote:



London Wikimeets date back to June 2004.


And if anyone wants to see some youger looking regulars, there are photos 
from early meets


1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_1
3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thryduulf/Wikimeets/London3


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Michael Maggs]

Hi Mike

This sounds a very worthwhile exercise and subject to comments by D'Arcy 
and the staff team I think it's very likely that this could be done 
association with WMUK.  No doubt the bulk of the work in preparing the 
survey and analysing the results would be done by a group of volunteers, 
with you leading (volunteers in front, as it should be!).  Do you have 
an idea of what resources you'd like from the charity?  Perhaps WMUK 
could use its volunteer and member database to broaden the reach of the 
survey by distributing it by email?


Best regards

Michael


Michael Maggs
Chair, Wikimedia UK


Michael Peel mailto:em...@mikepeel.net
13 May 2015 22:13
Hi all,

tl;dr summary: I'm planning to run a survey about wikimeets in the 
near future. Do you have any comments/suggestions on the draft? See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey

At a recent meetup, a Wikipedian who was new to wikimeets pointed out 
that the event had the air of a gentleman's club about it. Looking 
around at the high-back comfy chairs, the Victorian-era interior 
decorations, the pints of real ale, and the mostly-male (and regular) 
attendees, I couldn't really disagree with their assessment. This 
started me thinking: are there better venues and times to hold 
meetups, or better ways of advertising/inviting people to planned 
meetups? What would make them more open and inviting to new editors, 
or the many long-term editors that have never attended a meetup?


As an experiment to try to improve the attendance and advertising of 
wikimeets in the North of England, a few months ago I posted messages 
on the talk pages of previous wikimeet attendees about the last Leeds 
and Manchester wikimeets, and the Liverpool wikimeet coming up this 
weekend. There was, unexpectedly, a pretty good response, with a 
number of people signing up to attend the wikimeets. I'm not sure 
whether it was a direct consequence or not, but we had a long-term 
editor attend the last Manchester wikimeet who hadn't previously 
attended a wikimeet. I couldn't attend the last Leeds wikimeet: was 
anyone there and able to say whether it made a difference or not? I'm 
hoping that the irregular wikimeet attendees who have signed up for 
the Liverpool meetup will be there!


It also started a longer conversation with Iridescent [1], which led 
to the idea of having some sort of a UK-wide notifications list. 
During that conversation, I started drafting a survey of past and 
potential wikimeet attendees with the aim of getting some quantified 
and actionable answers about how to improve wikimeets, and also 
improve communication about wikimeets. The latest draft of the survey 
is at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey

Amongst other things, the survey draft asks about how people get to 
wikimeets; when and where wikimeets should be held; what activities 
should take place at wikimeets; and how notifications about an 
upcoming meetup would ideally be circulated.


I'm hoping to run this survey soon, so if you are interested in 
improving the survey questions then please send me an email or post on 
the talk page before the end of the month! In particular, if you 
currently organise (or regularly attend) wikimeets, then I'd greatly 
appreciate your input/feedback about the survey questions before it 
goes live. Ideally the survey would be run in association with WMUK, 
but given the recent turmoil I'm not sure if this will be possible, so 
I'll run it myself unless WMUK expresses an interest in helping out 
with it!


Thanks,
Mike

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Gordon Joly]

I am sure that many of the regulars have talked about change. For
example, Fabian Tompsett has suggested to me (and I have talked to
others) about alternatives. Fabian's idea was to have an East London
meeting, based perhaps in the Idea Stores (modern libraries in Tower
Hamlets).

London Wikimeets date back to June 2004.

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