Re: [Wikitech-l] The never-dying topic: category intersection

[Mohamed Magdy]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Marcus Buck  wrote:
>
> I just read the last category intersection discussion from After 65 
> posts on that
> thread somebody posted a solution and nobody reacted.
>
They got exhausted?

(p m, c r)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] The never-dying topic: category intersection

[Marcus Buck]

I just read the last category intersection discussion from December to 
see, what's the latest state of it. While doing that, I saw, that the 
last message in that thread was this post from Roan Kattouw, providing 
his extension. Oddly, nobody reacted on it. After 65 posts on that 
thread somebody posted a solution and nobody reacted.

Can this extension be seen live anywhere?

Marcus Buck

Roan Kattouw hett schreven:
> Roan Kattouw schreef:
>   
>> Sure. You'll have to strip out most of the crazy features and you'll
>> probably want to write a new UI and refactor some stuff here and there, 
>> but it's quite usable. I'll upload it tomorrow, gotta go get some sleep now.
>> 
> Uploaded it at last. It's in the SVN extensions repository [1]. Feel 
> free to completely overhaul the code and repurpose it to be a generic 
> category intersection framework, or to just steal bits of code and use 
> them elsewhere.
>
> Roan Kattouw (Catrope)
>
> [1] 
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/AdvancedSearch/
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Re: [Wikitech-l] contribution to wikimedia.

[Mark (Markie)]

my first suggestion would be to read the email responses that have already
been sent

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-January/041186.html and
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-January/041187.html

regards

mark

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Ankuj Gupta  wrote:

> Hi
> How can i contribute to wikimedia?I have worked in php and has good
> understanding of MySQL databases.
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[Wikitech-l] contribution to wikimedia.

[Ankuj Gupta]

Hi
How can i contribute to wikimedia?I have worked in php and has good
understanding of MySQL databases.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] License information

[Daniel Kinzler]

> What is a translation but another type of annotation ?
> Thanks,

This *Could* be modeled like that in theory. But I don't see an easy way to
implement this with a low cost of transition. Basically, it would require
license info to be not handled via templates at all.

I don't see that happening anytime soon. Also because it causes new problems,
such as the question how to introduce new license tags, etc.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] License information

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
When we invest time in implementing time in the RDF extension, the chances
of the eventual support of Semantic MediaWiki are severely diminished. It
may take less time to get the RDF extension in shape, this is your hunch,
but it is a choice only made because it is quick. Not because it provides
the most benefits.

What is a translation but another type of annotation ?
Thanks,
  GerardM

2009/1/30 Daniel Kinzler 

> Gerard Meijssen schrieb:
> > Hoi,
> > There is RDF, there is Semantic MediaWiki. Why should one get a push and
> the
> > other not. Semantic MediaWiki is used on production websites. Its
> usability
> > is continuously being improved. No cobwebs there.
>
> SMW is of course an option for integrating metadata, but I expect it will
> take
> considerably more time to review that and get it usable on wmf sites.
>
> > Having machine readable information is great, but would it not make more
> > sense to have human readable text. As in not only English ?
>
> Sure, but I don't see the connection. The RDF extension just adds the
> machine
> readable stuff to the human readable stuff we already have. It's basically
> for
> annotating templates, and retrieving that annotation.
>
> -- daniel
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Re: [Wikitech-l] License information

[Daniel Kinzler]

Gerard Meijssen schrieb:
> Hoi,
> There is RDF, there is Semantic MediaWiki. Why should one get a push and the
> other not. Semantic MediaWiki is used on production websites. Its usability
> is continuously being improved. No cobwebs there.

SMW is of course an option for integrating metadata, but I expect it will take
considerably more time to review that and get it usable on wmf sites.

> Having machine readable information is great, but would it not make more
> sense to have human readable text. As in not only English ?

Sure, but I don't see the connection. The RDF extension just adds the machine
readable stuff to the human readable stuff we already have. It's basically for
annotating templates, and retrieving that annotation.

-- daniel

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Re: [Wikitech-l] License information

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
There is RDF, there is Semantic MediaWiki. Why should one get a push and the
other not. Semantic MediaWiki is used on production websites. Its usability
is continuously being improved. No cobwebs there.

Having machine readable information is great, but would it not make more
sense to have human readable text. As in not only English ?
Thanks,
   GerardM

2009/1/30 Daniel Kinzler 

> Brianna Laugher schrieb:
> >
> > I agree that it makes a lot of sense. But because it would be a big
> > change, I fear that unless the lead developers show great enthusiasm
> > for the idea, it will take a very long time to be accepted and
> > completed. Whereas building an "add-on" tool can be faster to get to
> > point of functionality.
>
> Guys, before re-inventing several wheels, please look at what we already
> have.
>
> Please have a look at
> , which defines
> a way
> to make license tags machine readable. Using that scheme, it would be easy
> to
> build a script on the toolserver that delivers metadata in a machine
> readable
> form. No need for screen scraping.
>
> Also, please consider  which
> provides a way for mediawiki to serve machine readable metadata about
> anything
> and everything. It would be easy to integrate it into license tags. It has
> been
> around for years, all it needs is a little push from the community and some
> code
> review.
>
> -- daniel
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Re: [Wikitech-l] License information

[Daniel Kinzler]

Brianna Laugher schrieb:
> 
> I agree that it makes a lot of sense. But because it would be a big
> change, I fear that unless the lead developers show great enthusiasm
> for the idea, it will take a very long time to be accepted and
> completed. Whereas building an "add-on" tool can be faster to get to
> point of functionality.

Guys, before re-inventing several wheels, please look at what we already have.

Please have a look at
, which defines a way
to make license tags machine readable. Using that scheme, it would be easy to
build a script on the toolserver that delivers metadata in a machine readable
form. No need for screen scraping.

Also, please consider  which
provides a way for mediawiki to serve machine readable metadata about anything
and everything. It would be easy to integrate it into license tags. It has been
around for years, all it needs is a little push from the community and some code
review.

-- daniel

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