Re: [Wikitech-l] update: wikipedia.org portal

[Comet styles]

Can everything on the right side of the footer be moved to the left
and the "Wikipedia is hosted by the.." part moved to the right side of
the footer? ..it seems odd the other way around..i feel like i'm
reading arabic..

On 5/25/16, MZMcBride  wrote:
> Dan Garry wrote:
>>Regarding the move of the portal to a git-based system, as I explained in
>>great detail in my 18 comments on T110070
>>, this move was done in
>>partnership with Mxn, the primary maintainer of the portal in its previous
>>system. Mxn and I spoke in person about the portal at Wikimania 2015,
>>which was what really kicked this project off; I also mentioned that in
>>my very comment  on
>>that T110070. I was also very clear in my comments on the task
>> that we were
>>specifically trying to improve only wikipedia.org to keep our work
>>manageable and maintain cost effectiveness for our efforts.
>
> Regarding portals other than www.wikipedia.org, perhaps you can respond at
> ?
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] update: wikipedia.org portal

[MZMcBride]

Dan Garry wrote:
>Regarding the move of the portal to a git-based system, as I explained in
>great detail in my 18 comments on T110070
>, this move was done in
>partnership with Mxn, the primary maintainer of the portal in its previous
>system. Mxn and I spoke in person about the portal at Wikimania 2015,
>which was what really kicked this project off; I also mentioned that in
>my very comment  on
>that T110070. I was also very clear in my comments on the task
> that we were
>specifically trying to improve only wikipedia.org to keep our work
>manageable and maintain cost effectiveness for our efforts.

Regarding portals other than www.wikipedia.org, perhaps you can respond at
?

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Git/Gerrit/Code Review technical documentation updates

[Mukunda Modell]

In case it wasn't obvious:

That was mostly intended as humor, though I do find the Help:Git_rebase
article to be very one sided.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Mukunda Modell 
wrote:

> I should stop myself here and just echo what Chad said but I feel
> compelled to say more.
>
> Skip past the quoted text for the tl;dr version.
>
> That article[1] comes across as incredibly condescending. Is the purpose
> to keep people ignorant and oppressed? Prevent them from understanding
> nuance by prescribing one world view and denying any other perspectives?
> Make them slaves to gerrit? I really fail to see the benefit of such
> propaganda.
>
> > I think it would be great to favor git fetch and git rebase over git pull
> > and merge[1] in the beginners documentation so people don't start out
> with
> > bad habits.
> >
> >
> > [1] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Git_rebase
>
>
> tl;dr:
>
> # ~/.gitconfig
>
> [branch]
> autosetuprebase = always
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Chad  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:42 AM Bernd Sitzmann 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I think it would be great to favor git fetch and git rebase over git
>> pull
>> > and merge[1] in the beginners documentation so people don't start out
>> with
>> > bad habits.
>> >
>> > [1] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Git_rebase
>> >
>> > Bernd
>> >
>> >
>> `git pull -r` for life :)
>>
>> -Chad
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Git/Gerrit/Code Review technical documentation updates

[Mukunda Modell]

I should stop myself here and just echo what Chad said but I feel compelled
to say more.

Skip past the quoted text for the tl;dr version.

That article[1] comes across as incredibly condescending. Is the purpose to
keep people ignorant and oppressed? Prevent them from understanding nuance
by prescribing one world view and denying any other perspectives? Make them
slaves to gerrit? I really fail to see the benefit of such propaganda.

> I think it would be great to favor git fetch and git rebase over git pull
> and merge[1] in the beginners documentation so people don't start out with
> bad habits.
>
>
> [1] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Git_rebase


tl;dr:

# ~/.gitconfig

[branch]
autosetuprebase = always




On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Chad  wrote:

> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:42 AM Bernd Sitzmann 
> wrote:
>
> > I think it would be great to favor git fetch and git rebase over git pull
> > and merge[1] in the beginners documentation so people don't start out
> with
> > bad habits.
> >
> > [1] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Git_rebase
> >
> > Bernd
> >
> >
> `git pull -r` for life :)
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] update: wikipedia.org portal

[Matthew Flaschen]

On 05/21/2016 12:01 PM, rupert THURNER wrote:

quim, i would not be angry if you would show a little bit more empathy
towards a client, a volunteer. if mzmcbride is right and there is a
well established procedure to change this page which was not followed,
the person not following might read the "expected behaviour" page.
putting the blame on the person harrassed/frustrated (mzmcbride), not
on the harrasser (whoever changed the page) seems not a nice move in
that case.


If MZMcBride disagrees with a product decision or how the code is 
maintained, that does not mean he has been harassed.


Rather, it is MZMcBride's response that was hostile and unconstructive.

Matt

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Re: [Wikitech-l] update: wikipedia.org portal

[Ryan Kaldari]

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 12:01 PM, rupert THURNER 
wrote:

> quim, i would not be angry if you would show a little bit more empathy
> towards a client, a volunteer. if mzmcbride is right and there is a
> well established procedure to change this page which was not followed,
> the person not following might read the "expected behaviour" page.
> putting the blame on the person harrassed/frustrated (mzmcbride), not
> on the harrasser (whoever changed the page) seems not a nice move in
> that case.
>

I don't think it's accurate or helpful to describe technical changes made
in good faith as "harassment" (regardless of the merits of the change).
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [discovery] [Translators-l] update: wikipedia.org portal

[Dan Garry]

Nemo,

As with MZMcBride, the way that you have communicated here is very
unconstructive and inappropriate. Your choice of language (e.g. "small WMF
clique", "contradict and impoverish the Wikimedia mission") is not
conducive to a good working environment. Constructive feedback is welcomed,
but much of what you said here was not that. If you are unable to be more
constructive moving forward, my team will not respond to your comments.

Dan

On 21 May 2016 at 09:58, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:
>
> Adding English-only text to the Wikipedia portal is unacceptable. Special
> powers on a Wikimedia domain must not be used to contradict and impoverish
> the Wikimedia mission. The portal seize by a small WMF clique has shown its
> failure and should immediately be reversed, as the Meta-Wiki administrators
> have proven to be more competent.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] update: wikipedia.org portal

[Dan Garry]

Hey Purodha,

On 21 May 2016 at 05:13, Purodha Blissenbach 
wrote:

> On the long run, I think, these portals and their texts should
> be translatable. Browser settings determining the target language.
> Looking forward to have them on translatewiki.net !
>

I agree that localising these strings would be helpful and in-line with our
practices. That's definitely something that we're interested in doing, and
we're going to be doing an investigation on that soon. We're hoping it'll
be fairly straightforward to get this done... but if it's not, we may need
to deprioritise the work. We'll see.

Thanks!

Dan

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Re: [Wikitech-l] update: wikipedia.org portal

[Dan Garry]

Hey DJ,

Thanks for the feedback! Responses in-line.

On 21 May 2016 at 04:52, Derk-Jan Hartman 
wrote:

> I like the addition of the descriptive subtitles. But I would suggest
> taking them to meta to settle on what they should be exactly, and also then
> documenting them (including arguments) to make sure that they can be used
> consistently throughout the projects.
>

I agree that some standardisation of the phrases used here would be useful.
I'll pass that feedback on to Communications, who I believe handles most of
these kinds of situations. In the mean time, I think Discovery can take a
quick pass on the phrases that are being used on the portal to make them a
bit more consistent.


> I was wondering about the colors. Have we considered the MediaWiki/OOjs UI
> color theme already. In my opinion the portal feels more cologneblue than
> Vector right now..
>

I can see what you mean. A lot of the styles of the new elements have been
made to fit the old style of the page. I'm not a designer, so I don't know
specifically what to recommend to the team here, but I think they can keep
this in mind for the future.

Also, I do wonder a bit about the consistency of the portals and the lack
> of options for reuse of these improvements by other portals, and I
> personally think it would be great to start expanding parts of the
> development to other portals now.
> I think it would be wonderful if we could create a pipeline of reusable
> elements among the portals, that allows for some consistency, but trying to
> avoid blandness and uniformity. Simple things like a library of Less
> variables usable by all portal pages can mean a lot for these kinds of
> efforts and I'd love to see some attention devoted to that, so that other
> portal pages can benefit.
>

As explained in T110070#1653320
, Discovery is not
actively maintaining the other portals. That said, I agree that trying to
get our code to a state where it's easily re-useable for other portals so
that interested people can migrate it over to the other portals would be
good to do. I filed T136151  to
track that work.


> For community participation, I also have some ideas:
> 1: There is no README.md
>

Good point. I saw you filed T135902
 and T135903
 for this. Thanks! The licensing
question is somewhat complicated given the history of the portals; we will
need to consult with Legal on this to make sure we get it right.


> 2: Make sure that it's easy to test the master version.

The great thing about github for instance is that you can do tricks like:
>
> https://cdn.rawgit.com/wikimedia/portals/master/prod/wikipedia.org/index.html
> That's powerful to be able to preview straight from a git repo. If you
> have links like that to the readme/meta page.
>

I'll pass this feedback on to the engineers working on the project.


> 3: Update https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_portals <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_portals>
>

I wasn't aware of this page. I'll pass it on to Chris Koerner, Discovery's
community liaison, so he can look at updating it.

Thanks!

Dan

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Re: [Wikitech-l] update: wikipedia.org portal

[Dan Garry]

MZMcBride,

The way that you have addressed Deb here is very unconstructive and
inappropriate. Your choice of language (e.g. "hijacked", "wrongfully
seized") is not conducive to a good working environment. Constructive
feedback is welcomed, but much of what you said here was not that. If you
are unable to be more constructive moving forward, my team will not respond
to your comments.

Regarding the descriptive text, the current situation on sister portals and
in other places was evaluated beforehand, which included looking at a relevant
template on Meta-Wiki
. As
you mentioned, the text there isn't great and many of the descriptions used
in different places are incredibly inconsistent with each other; therefore,
there was no golden standard to use. I agree that the descriptive text on
wikipedia.org for the sister projects could be changed further to improve
its consistency. The team will look into that.

Regarding the move of the portal to a git-based system, as I explained in
great detail in my 18 comments on T110070
, this move was done in
partnership with Mxn, the primary maintainer of the portal in its previous
system. Mxn and I spoke in person about the portal at Wikimania 2015, which
was what really kicked this project off; I also mentioned that in my very
comment  on that
T110070. I was also very clear in my comments on the task
 that we were
specifically trying to improve only wikipedia.org to keep our work
manageable and maintain cost effectiveness for our efforts.

There are some things that Discovery has done really well at since (and
because of) the migration, such as improving the performance of the page by
minifying  the
JavaScript used on the page, and significantly increasing the clickthrough
rate

on the portal by improving the user experience of the box. There are some
things that we could've done better, like keeping the statistics on the
portal up-to-date. As mentioned above, constructive feedback is welcomed.

Dan

On 20 May 2016 at 16:07, MZMcBride  wrote:

> Deborah Tankersley wrote:
> >The Discovery Team recently added descriptive text to the Wikipedia.org
> >page footer in order to give visitors a better idea of what the sister
> >wiki projects are really all about. Check it out at www.wikipedia.org
> >[...]
>
> Hi Deb,
>
> The descriptive texts don't seem great. Some are inconsistent and at least
> one is potentially misleading. Some notes:
>
> * "Free Dictionary" instead of "Free dictionary" for Wiktionary.
> * Starting with "Free" for eight of the projects, but then using a
>   different pattern for the others (e.g., "The free library").
> * Meta-Wiki is "Our community site"? Huh? What does that suggest about the
>   other projects? Are they not community sites?
> * The descriptive texts are only available in English.
>
> The Wikimedia (Foundation) logo is bizarrely in black and white. Why?
>
> It's frustrating and annoying that your happy team hijacked this portal,
> and only this portal, from the Meta-Wiki community that maintained it for
> many years. Your actions have resulted in other portals such as
> www.wiktionary.org falling out of sync with www.wikipedia.org. I wonder
> how much community involvement and collaboration there is now that your
> team has wrongfully seized ownership of this page.
>
> MZMcBride
>
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[Wikitech-l] 'Unique Devices' Data Visualizations Available

[Nuria Ruiz]

Hello!


The analytics team would like to announce that we have a new visualization
for Unique Devices data. As you know Unique Devices [1] is our best proxy
to calculate Unique Users. We would like to reiterate that the data is
available in a public API that anyone can access [2]. We calculate Uniques
daily and monthly.


See, for example, "Daily Unique Devices" for Spanish Wikipedia versus
French wikipedia:
https://vital-signs.wmflabs.org/#projects=frwiki,eswiki/metrics=UniqueDevices

FYI that dashboard would not work on IE, only on Edge.

Thanks,

Nuria

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Unique_Devices
[2] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Unique_Devices
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Reducing the environmental impact of the Wikimedia movement

[Vi to]

Then the foundation should assign higher priority to projects (to fund)
which take into account environmental impact. For example a GLAM project
printing fliers would rank better if fliers are printed on recycled paper.
Same for suppliers/providers of any kind of good: the less the impact the
higher the rank.

Dealing with black skins...you know that would mean, more or less, "turning
trees into pulp to print fliers against turning trees into pulp" ^^

Vito

2016-05-24 1:40 GMT+02:00 Ricordisamoa :

> Server consumption of course but what about the impact of email, food,
> transport etc?
> Earth Hour: switch the wikis to a dark skin
>
>
> Il 30/03/2016 09:27, Lukas Mezger ha scritto:
>
>> Dear readers of the Wikitech mailing list,
>>
>> I am a member of the Wikipedia community and I have started a project to
>> reduce the environmental impact of the Wikimedia movement
>> . The main idea is
>> to
>> use renewable energy for running the Wikimedia servers and the main reason
>> for this is that by doing so, Wikipedia can set a great example for
>> environmental responsibility in the entire internet sector.
>>
>> My project was started after Greenpeace USA published a report
>>  about the
>> energy consumption of the biggest sites on the Internet in 2015 and in
>> which Wikipedia, to my astonishment, performed poorly, receiving a "D"
>> score and only passing because of the Wikimedia Foundation's openness
>> about
>> its energy consumption.
>>
>> I would very much like to change that and set up a page called
>> "Environmental
>> impact " on Meta. I
>> have already discussed the issue with a few people both from the Wikimedia
>> Foundation's management and from the Wikimedia community and have received
>> positive responses.
>>
>> In order to further advance the project, I would like to learn more about
>> how much energy Wikipedia's servers use. As far as I can tell, these
>> figures are not public, but I believe they could very well be.
>>
>> Also, I am interested to learn how changing a server site's energy sources
>> can be carried out on the operations side since the United States energy
>> sector hasn't been completely deregulated yet.
>>
>> So, thank you very much for any comments! Maybe there also is an even
>> better forum to discuss these questions?
>>
>> Finally, if you would like to support my project, please consider adding
>> your name to this list
>> .
>> Thank you.
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Lukas Mezger / User:Gnom 
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