Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Legoktm]

Hi,

On 01/26/2017 08:03 AM, Quim Gil wrote:
> For the record: Yuri got his permissions restored 52 minutes after the task
> was filed, without much discussion. The task is Resolved since then. Can we
> resolve this thread with this title as well, please?

Yes, thanks. I respectfully ask people not further respond to this
thread, if you have questions please ask me offlist.

-- Legoktm

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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Alex Monk]

Update: I demanded an explanation for Yurik's removal, nobody would give a
good one, I revoked ops' administrative rights, and now I've been removed
as a gerrit administrator with ops re-added.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Neil P. Quinn]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Alex Monk  wrote:

> On 25 January 2017 at 19:48, Kevin Smith  wrote:
>
> > I support restoring the rights in this case, but I'm not sure it should
> be
> > automatic in all cases. If having +2 rights is relatively harmless and
> > reversible, then an automatic (but announced) restoration of the rights
> > should be fine.
> >
> > The issue is that someone who leaves the foundation could do so under
> > unfriendly terms, possibly affecting their ability to do good work. I
> know
> > we don't want to think that a previously productive volunteer could later
> > cause problems, but it is possible.
> >
> > That's why I think there should be some form of check, so we have
> > confidence that this person still has good intentions. For example, their
> > manager and/or someone from Talent & Culture could be consulted, or
> trusted
> > people who still have close contact with the person so know their state
> of
> > mind. It could be quick and lightweight, in almost all cases, but
> skipping
> > that step entirely seems risky to me. Unless, as I said, having +2 really
> > isn't a big deal.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kevin Smith
> > Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
> >
>
> You don't appear to be a developer. Even if you were, Brian said 'similar
> situation' - i.e., where someone had been granted rights before becoming
> WMF staff.
>

Someone's familiarity with the topic is certainly relevant, but let's not
fall into the trap of "you're not a core developer, therefore you shouldn't
be posting to this list." In this specific case, Kevin is an expert in the
social dynamics of technical teams (enough so that he's employed by the WMF
for that expertise). That doesn't mean you have to agree with him, but it
does mean you should at least consider his input (not to mention respect
him as you would any community member making good faith suggestions).

-- 
Neil P. Quinn ,
product analyst
Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Alex Monk]

On 26 January 2017 at 16:03, Quim Gil  wrote:

> Can we
> resolve this thread with this title as well, please?
>
We could rename the thread.

On 26 January 2017 at 16:03, Quim Gil  wrote:

> The cause for the removal was simple: standard procedure for off-boarding
> Wikimedia Foundation employees.
>

Our +2 policy does not allow for that to happen in this way as the 'you
have no intent to continue contributing' part does not appear to have been
satisfied - and even if it were, the rights were granted as a volunteer. In
any case you are not the person who removed the rights, we need to hear
from Brandon.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Quim Gil]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:44 AM, Legoktm 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> After speaking with Yurik, I've filed
>  on his behalf to restore his
> membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups.
>
> I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily
> granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go through the
> full process.
>

For the record: Yuri got his permissions restored 52 minutes after the task
was filed, without much discussion. The task is Resolved since then. Can we
resolve this thread with this title as well, please?

The cause for the removal was simple: standard procedure for off-boarding
Wikimedia Foundation employees. If this off-boarding process can be
improved, please propose improvements in a new thread or in a Phabricator
task. Considering how often we have ended in this situation and how quickly
the problem has been resolved, it looks like we can have a constructive
discussion without pressure or blame.

-- 
Quim Gil
Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Zppix]

Why did they got removed?

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:44 PM, Legoktm  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> After speaking with Yurik, I've filed
>  on his behalf to restore his
> membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups.
> 
> I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily
> granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go through the
> full process.
> 
> -- Legoktm
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[MZMcBride]

Antoine Musso wrote:
>The staff period can have changed the state of mind of the person, even
>had it been a volunteer before employment. If leaving in bad terms with
>an eventual envy of retaliation against the project, then code get
>screwed.
>
>A very basic exit interview would clarify the future ground and as Kevin
>said in 99% of case it will be a non issue. But we might catch the 1%
>lone wolf that will eventually cause havoc.  For the price of a few
>minutes interview, I think it is worth it.

Lone wolf? Wow. In the history of both MediaWiki and Wikimedia
development, Wikimedia Foundation staff have created significantly more
havoc and disruption than volunteers. Please don't forget that.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Antoine Musso]

On 25/01/17 22:03, Alex Monk wrote:

We are talking about exactly the same situation: Someone was a productive
volunteer, then staff, then no longer staff. 99+% of the time, they should
retain their rights, or get them back shortly after leaving. But there may
be cases where someone would be disgruntled, and if rights are automatic in
all cases, such a person could do damage. I'm just suggesting that there
should be a quick and simple check to be sure that's not the case. Being
without rights for a couple days doesn't seem like a small price to pay for
the safety of the project.


If they were added as a volunteer that means they passed a vote to be
there, we're not going to start adding such extra checks and requirements.


Hello,

That is quite a bold statement Alex. Being staff or contractor to the 
foundation is quite a different scope than acting as volunteer.  There 
are deadlines, work to be done that you would prefer not, some internal 
drama and politics.  And for staff potentially clash with management and 
colleague.


The staff period can have changed the state of mind of the person, even 
had it been a volunteer before employment. If leaving in bad terms with 
an eventual envy of retaliation against the project, then code get screwed.


A very basic exit interview would clarify the future ground and as Kevin 
said in 99% of case it will be a non issue. But we might catch the 1% 
lone wolf that will eventually cause havoc.  For the price of a few 
minutes interview, I think it is worth it.


Imho, when staff / contractor finish their relationship with the 
foundation, all rights should be removed and the process should start 
over (eg: make sure the volunteer as a NDA signed and is only granted 
appropriate rights).


cheers,

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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[MZMcBride]

Stas Malyshev wrote:
>>that step entirely seems risky to me. Unless, as I said, having +2 really
>>isn't a big deal.
>
>+2 isn't super-big deal since all changes are public and you're not
>supposed to self-+2 in any case, and anything doable by patch can also
>be undone by patch. As I understand it, it's more like "this person
>knows enough and known enough to get approval rights". It won't change
>if somebody leaves WMF.

Hi. For what it's worth, 
specifically emphasizes that +2 is a big deal.

>If there's external reasons for +2 removal, that can happen without WMF
>in the picture and I imagine there are rules for this which can be
>applied.

Revocation of +2 is documented at
.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Alex Monk]

Yes, they're announced on wikitech-l:
https://lists.gt.net/wiki/wikitech/335950
If you go back through one of the pages linked in that email to the date it
was sent, you find the relevant vote too:
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Gerrit/Project_ownership=648776#Yurik_for_Core_.2B2
Even without that, the audit log shows the user was added to the group a)
by Sumanah, and b) before it was announced that Yurik had joined the
foundation.

On 25 January 2017 at 21:43, Gergo Tisza  wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Brian Wolff  wrote:
>
> > There's not exactly a whole lot of precedent here. Presumably, bblack did
> > it as part of an off boarding procedure. Eventhough I disagree with this
> > action, I dont think its an unreasonable action, especially given the
> lack
> > of precedent.
>
>
> More pragmatically, was there any easy way for him to find out how the +2
> was granted? Not sure if we record those decisions anywhere (other than
> phab tickets which are not easy to find).
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Gergo Tisza]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Brian Wolff  wrote:

> There's not exactly a whole lot of precedent here. Presumably, bblack did
> it as part of an off boarding procedure. Eventhough I disagree with this
> action, I dont think its an unreasonable action, especially given the lack
> of precedent.


More pragmatically, was there any easy way for him to find out how the +2
was granted? Not sure if we record those decisions anywhere (other than
phab tickets which are not easy to find).
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Alex Monk]

On 25 January 2017 at 21:24, Brian Wolff  wrote:
>
> Presumably, bblack did
> it as part of an off boarding procedure. Eventhough I disagree with this
> action, I dont think its an unreasonable action, especially given the lack
> of precedent. I dont see any need for him to come and explain himself.


That's what I'm concerned about. Yurik's rights were granted via a vote of
developers and therefore I have decide to require an explanation.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Brian Wolff]

On Wednesday, January 25, 2017, Alex Monk  wrote:
>
>
> You don't appear to be a developer. Even if you were, Brian said 'similar
> situation' - i.e., where someone had been granted rights before becoming
> WMF staff.
>
> The audit log shows that Brandon Black removed Yurik's rights on January
> 17th at 10:36 PM. Brandon, you need to explain why you did this.
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There's not exactly a whole lot of precedent here. Presumably, bblack did
it as part of an off boarding procedure. Eventhough I disagree with this
action, I dont think its an unreasonable action, especially given the lack
of precedent. I dont see any need for him to come and explain himself.
Hopefully once this discussion finishes there will be consensus on the
proper procedure so there will be less confusion in the future.

--
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Stas Malyshev]

Hi!

>>> that step entirely seems risky to me. Unless, as I said, having +2 really
>>> isn't a big deal.

+2 isn't super-big deal since all changes are public and you're not
supposed to self-+2 in any case, and anything doable by patch can also
be undone by patch. As I understand it, it's more like "this person
knows enough and known enough to get approval rights". It won't change
if somebody leaves WMF. If there's external reasons for +2 removal, that
can happen without WMF in the picture and I imagine there are rules for
this which can be applied.
So I'd say if somebody had pre-WMF +2, they should not lose it just
because they joined and then left the WMF, and this should be automatic
by default. Non-default cases can always be handled on per-case basis.

-- 
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smalys...@wikimedia.org

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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Amir Ladsgroup]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think If someone has +2 rights before joining
WMF, leaving WMF is not a reason to remove rights at all. If there was a
case someone abuse their power and gets fired because of that. "The abuse"
should be the reason to lose the right not "leaving WMF"/"being fired"/etc..

Best

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:35 AM Brian Wolff  wrote:

> To be clear, i think some common sense should apply - e.g. If someone was
> fired for trying to put a backdoor in MW they shouldnt automatically get
> their rights back.
>
> But generally speaking if they were trusted before WMF, I trust they have
> the maturity after WMF to use their rights appropriately even if they are
> angry or whatever. If that trust was misguided their rights can easily be
> removed later (this is +2 not shell we are talking about after all).
>
> --
> Brian
>
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017, Kevin Smith  wrote:
> > I support restoring the rights in this case, but I'm not sure it should
> be
> > automatic in all cases. If having +2 rights is relatively harmless and
> > reversible, then an automatic (but announced) restoration of the rights
> > should be fine.
> >
> > The issue is that someone who leaves the foundation could do so under
> > unfriendly terms, possibly affecting their ability to do good work. I
> know
> > we don't want to think that a previously productive volunteer could later
> > cause problems, but it is possible.
> >
> > That's why I think there should be some form of check, so we have
> > confidence that this person still has good intentions. For example, their
> > manager and/or someone from Talent & Culture could be consulted, or
> trusted
> > people who still have close contact with the person so know their state
> of
> > mind. It could be quick and lightweight, in almost all cases, but
> skipping
> > that step entirely seems risky to me. Unless, as I said, having +2 really
> > isn't a big deal.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kevin Smith
> > Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Subramanya Sastry <
> ssas...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 01/25/2017 10:04 AM, Brian Wolff wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, Legoktm 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi,
> 
>  After speaking with Yurik, I've filed
>   on his behalf to restore
> his
>  membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups.
> 
>  I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily
>  granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go through the
>  full process.
> 
>  -- Legoktm
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> >>> I support doing this automatically in any similar situation in the
> future.
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>>
> >>
> >> +1.
> >>
> >> Subbu.
> >>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Yuri Astrakhan]

How is that different from becoming disgruntled while still working at WMF?
Or becoming disgruntled without ever joining? Or stolen credentials?

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017, 16:01 Kevin Smith  wrote:

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Alex Monk  wrote:

> You don't appear to be a developer. Even if you were, Brian said 'similar
> situation' - i.e., where someone had been granted rights before becoming
> WMF staff.
>

​I am a developer, but not a wikimedia developer (yet?). That's why I'm not
exactly clear on the potential risks of giving +2 rights to someone who
intends harm.

We are talking about exactly the same situation: Someone was a productive
volunteer, then staff, then no longer staff. 99+% of the time, they should
retain their rights, or get them back shortly after leaving. But there may
be cases where someone would be disgruntled, and if rights are automatic in
all cases, such a person could do damage. I'm just suggesting that there
should be a quick and simple check to be sure that's not the case. Being
without rights for a couple days doesn't seem like a small price to pay for
the safety of the project.

​Kevin​
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Brian Wolff]

To be clear, i think some common sense should apply - e.g. If someone was
fired for trying to put a backdoor in MW they shouldnt automatically get
their rights back.

But generally speaking if they were trusted before WMF, I trust they have
the maturity after WMF to use their rights appropriately even if they are
angry or whatever. If that trust was misguided their rights can easily be
removed later (this is +2 not shell we are talking about after all).

--
Brian

On Wednesday, January 25, 2017, Kevin Smith  wrote:
> I support restoring the rights in this case, but I'm not sure it should be
> automatic in all cases. If having +2 rights is relatively harmless and
> reversible, then an automatic (but announced) restoration of the rights
> should be fine.
>
> The issue is that someone who leaves the foundation could do so under
> unfriendly terms, possibly affecting their ability to do good work. I know
> we don't want to think that a previously productive volunteer could later
> cause problems, but it is possible.
>
> That's why I think there should be some form of check, so we have
> confidence that this person still has good intentions. For example, their
> manager and/or someone from Talent & Culture could be consulted, or
trusted
> people who still have close contact with the person so know their state of
> mind. It could be quick and lightweight, in almost all cases, but skipping
> that step entirely seems risky to me. Unless, as I said, having +2 really
> isn't a big deal.
>
>
>
>
> Kevin Smith
> Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Subramanya Sastry 
> wrote:
>
>> On 01/25/2017 10:04 AM, Brian Wolff wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, Legoktm 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 After speaking with Yurik, I've filed
  on his behalf to restore
his
 membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups.

 I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily
 granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go through the
 full process.

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>>> I support doing this automatically in any similar situation in the
future.
>>>
>>> --
>>> brian
>>>
>>
>> +1.
>>
>> Subbu.
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Alex Monk]

On 25 January 2017 at 21:00, Kevin Smith  wrote:

> We are talking about exactly the same situation: Someone was a productive
> volunteer, then staff, then no longer staff. 99+% of the time, they should
> retain their rights, or get them back shortly after leaving. But there may
> be cases where someone would be disgruntled, and if rights are automatic in
> all cases, such a person could do damage. I'm just suggesting that there
> should be a quick and simple check to be sure that's not the case. Being
> without rights for a couple days doesn't seem like a small price to pay for
> the safety of the project.
>

If they were added as a volunteer that means they passed a vote to be
there, we're not going to start adding such extra checks and requirements.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Kevin Smith]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Alex Monk  wrote:

> You don't appear to be a developer. Even if you were, Brian said 'similar
> situation' - i.e., where someone had been granted rights before becoming
> WMF staff.
>

​I am a developer, but not a wikimedia developer (yet?). That's why I'm not
exactly clear on the potential risks of giving +2 rights to someone who
intends harm.

We are talking about exactly the same situation: Someone was a productive
volunteer, then staff, then no longer staff. 99+% of the time, they should
retain their rights, or get them back shortly after leaving. But there may
be cases where someone would be disgruntled, and if rights are automatic in
all cases, such a person could do damage. I'm just suggesting that there
should be a quick and simple check to be sure that's not the case. Being
without rights for a couple days doesn't seem like a small price to pay for
the safety of the project.

​Kevin​
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Alex Monk]

On 25 January 2017 at 19:48, Kevin Smith  wrote:

> I support restoring the rights in this case, but I'm not sure it should be
> automatic in all cases. If having +2 rights is relatively harmless and
> reversible, then an automatic (but announced) restoration of the rights
> should be fine.
>
> The issue is that someone who leaves the foundation could do so under
> unfriendly terms, possibly affecting their ability to do good work. I know
> we don't want to think that a previously productive volunteer could later
> cause problems, but it is possible.
>
> That's why I think there should be some form of check, so we have
> confidence that this person still has good intentions. For example, their
> manager and/or someone from Talent & Culture could be consulted, or trusted
> people who still have close contact with the person so know their state of
> mind. It could be quick and lightweight, in almost all cases, but skipping
> that step entirely seems risky to me. Unless, as I said, having +2 really
> isn't a big deal.
>
>
>
>
> Kevin Smith
> Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
>

You don't appear to be a developer. Even if you were, Brian said 'similar
situation' - i.e., where someone had been granted rights before becoming
WMF staff.

The audit log shows that Brandon Black removed Yurik's rights on January
17th at 10:36 PM. Brandon, you need to explain why you did this.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Trey Jones]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Kevin Smith  wrote:

> I support restoring the rights in this case, but I'm not sure it should be
> automatic in all cases. If having +2 rights is relatively harmless and
> reversible, then an automatic (but announced) restoration of the rights
> should be fine.
>
> The issue is that someone who leaves the foundation could do so under
> unfriendly terms, possibly affecting their ability to do good work. I know
> we don't want to think that a previously productive volunteer could later
> cause problems, but it is possible.
>
> That's why I think there should be some form of check, so we have
> confidence that this person still has good intentions. For example, their
> manager and/or someone from Talent & Culture could be consulted, or trusted
> people who still have close contact with the person so know their state of
> mind. It could be quick and lightweight, in almost all cases, but skipping
> that step entirely seems risky to me. Unless, as I said, having +2 really
> isn't a big deal.



Kevin Smith
> Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
+2

(Expected, but not automatic sounds right to me, too.)



>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Subramanya Sastry 
> wrote:
>
> > On 01/25/2017 10:04 AM, Brian Wolff wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, Legoktm 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> After speaking with Yurik, I've filed
> >>>  on his behalf to restore
> his
> >>> membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups.
> >>>
> >>> I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily
> >>> granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go through the
> >>> full process.
> >>>
> >>> -- Legoktm
> >>>
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> >>>
> >> I support doing this automatically in any similar situation in the
> future.
> >>
> >> --
> >> brian
> >>
> >
> > +1.
> >
> > Subbu.
> >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Kevin Smith]

I support restoring the rights in this case, but I'm not sure it should be
automatic in all cases. If having +2 rights is relatively harmless and
reversible, then an automatic (but announced) restoration of the rights
should be fine.

The issue is that someone who leaves the foundation could do so under
unfriendly terms, possibly affecting their ability to do good work. I know
we don't want to think that a previously productive volunteer could later
cause problems, but it is possible.

That's why I think there should be some form of check, so we have
confidence that this person still has good intentions. For example, their
manager and/or someone from Talent & Culture could be consulted, or trusted
people who still have close contact with the person so know their state of
mind. It could be quick and lightweight, in almost all cases, but skipping
that step entirely seems risky to me. Unless, as I said, having +2 really
isn't a big deal.




Kevin Smith
Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation


On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Subramanya Sastry 
wrote:

> On 01/25/2017 10:04 AM, Brian Wolff wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, Legoktm 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> After speaking with Yurik, I've filed
>>>  on his behalf to restore his
>>> membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily
>>> granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go through the
>>> full process.
>>>
>>> -- Legoktm
>>>
>>> ___
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>>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>>>
>> I support doing this automatically in any similar situation in the future.
>>
>> --
>> brian
>>
>
> +1.
>
> Subbu.
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Subramanya Sastry]

On 01/25/2017 10:04 AM, Brian Wolff wrote:

On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, Legoktm  wrote:

Hi,

After speaking with Yurik, I've filed
 on his behalf to restore his
membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups.

I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily
granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go through the
full process.

-- Legoktm

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I support doing this automatically in any similar situation in the future.

--
brian


+1.

Subbu.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Brian Wolff]

On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, Legoktm  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After speaking with Yurik, I've filed
>  on his behalf to restore his
> membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups.
>
> I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily
> granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go through the
> full process.
>
> -- Legoktm
>
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I support doing this automatically in any similar situation in the future.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Chad]

If he had them before, he should retain them. I've granted both.

-Chad

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 7:45 PM Legoktm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> After speaking with Yurik, I've filed
>  on his behalf to restore his
> membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups.
>
> I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily
> granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go through the
> full process.
>
> -- Legoktm
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Yuri Astrakhan]

Thanks Legoktm!

For the reference, I was granted these rights as a volunteer, before
joining WMF: https://lists.gt.net/wiki/wikitech/335950

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Legoktm 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> After speaking with Yurik, I've filed
>  on his behalf to restore his
> membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups.
>
> I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily
> granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go through the
> full process.
>
> -- Legoktm
>
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[Wikitech-l] +2 request for yurik in mediawiki and maps-dev

[Legoktm]

Hi,

After speaking with Yurik, I've filed
 on his behalf to restore his
membership in the mediawiki and maps-dev groups.

I would appreciate guidance in whether these rights can be summarily
granted since he used to have them, or if it needs to go through the
full process.

-- Legoktm

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