Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
Tom, The new V3 release has been posted and you can set MTU to very high values if your cards support jumbo frames. Our WAR board, with its very advanced Intel Ethernet can do 16K for the MTU. Most other cards have limits in the 2K to 4K range. We also have released the first x86 PC Architecture version and the updated x86 WRAP version. They have the same features as the WAR version. I'm not sure if we mentioned it but the x86 version has a free mode that is no longer a 24 hour trial. It saves settings and everything works, except of course the advanced features that we use to add value. You can use it for fairly advance routing (quagga has ospf and rip) for free. We'll require a paid license for wireless, policy or source routing, bandwidth control and our firewall scripting. We are pretty sure that more than 11 MBytes/sec in Turbo mode on a power machine will meet with approval. Device bonding will be coming fairly soon and it will allow simple hdx bonding, fdx bonding and failover bonding. We use the Linux 2.6 kernel and we have been able to get this image to well under 8 MB and average ram use on bootup is about 16 MB. It took a long time to get here and we have to thank everybody for being patient. Some of you wrote us off and figured that V3 would never reach the light of day, so I hope you take a look at what this new release can do. Lonnie On 8/15/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, When you get that feature solved / added, please let me know, or make a public announcement. If you let me know, I'll do a bunch of talk for you persoanlly, to promote the feature. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 It will just be easier to support an insane MTU size so that people can go and do whatever they want. I can imagine people doing some vlan in vlan and then running the whole works over a tunnel, and each one adds tags and headers to the actual 1500 byte payload. Lonnie On 8/14/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, I just wrote to you off list, before seeing your onlist response. V3 has support for a fully transparent client bridge when it talks to an appropriately configured V3 AP system. That is good news! License Fee after 1 year. The policy you explained, is fair and reasonable. We are currently working on a custom MTU size interface for every device to be able to handle whatever you want for MTU size. Great. To be more clear... Its easy for people (like me) to get confused between IP versus Ethernet headers. In our VLAN applications, its the Ethernet packet that needs to be supported above 1500bytes (for addition of VLAN to Ethernet header), we'd rarely ever need to increase IP packet MTU above 1500 MTU. (although I see applications for IPSEC if larger MTU allowed or possibly for passing MPLS). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WARNING - NOT VIRUS SCANNED]Network Storm Responses
Ron, Thanks for taking the time to put all the responses together and publish to the list. It's much appreciated. jack Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Thanks again for all the knowledge you have given those of us that need the help. I have compiled a loose listing of the responses attached as Network storm Responses.doc - Office 2K doc. Thanks again to all of you. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
So with this MTU increase is there any chance of packet aggregation so we can make use of it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: 17 August 2006 07:24 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Tom, The new V3 release has been posted and you can set MTU to very high values if your cards support jumbo frames. Our WAR board, with its very advanced Intel Ethernet can do 16K for the MTU. Most other cards have limits in the 2K to 4K range. We also have released the first x86 PC Architecture version and the updated x86 WRAP version. They have the same features as the WAR version. I'm not sure if we mentioned it but the x86 version has a free mode that is no longer a 24 hour trial. It saves settings and everything works, except of course the advanced features that we use to add value. You can use it for fairly advance routing (quagga has ospf and rip) for free. We'll require a paid license for wireless, policy or source routing, bandwidth control and our firewall scripting. We are pretty sure that more than 11 MBytes/sec in Turbo mode on a power machine will meet with approval. Device bonding will be coming fairly soon and it will allow simple hdx bonding, fdx bonding and failover bonding. We use the Linux 2.6 kernel and we have been able to get this image to well under 8 MB and average ram use on bootup is about 16 MB. It took a long time to get here and we have to thank everybody for being patient. Some of you wrote us off and figured that V3 would never reach the light of day, so I hope you take a look at what this new release can do. Lonnie On 8/15/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, When you get that feature solved / added, please let me know, or make a public announcement. If you let me know, I'll do a bunch of talk for you persoanlly, to promote the feature. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 It will just be easier to support an insane MTU size so that people can go and do whatever they want. I can imagine people doing some vlan in vlan and then running the whole works over a tunnel, and each one adds tags and headers to the actual 1500 byte payload. Lonnie On 8/14/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, I just wrote to you off list, before seeing your onlist response. V3 has support for a fully transparent client bridge when it talks to an appropriately configured V3 AP system. That is good news! License Fee after 1 year. The policy you explained, is fair and reasonable. We are currently working on a custom MTU size interface for every device to be able to handle whatever you want for MTU size. Great. To be more clear... Its easy for people (like me) to get confused between IP versus Ethernet headers. In our VLAN applications, its the Ethernet packet that needs to be supported above 1500bytes (for addition of VLAN to Ethernet header), we'd rarely ever need to increase IP packet MTU above 1500 MTU. (although I see applications for IPSEC if larger MTU allowed or possibly for passing MPLS). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
I'm not sure I understand the question. The Atheros card already does packet aggregation and compression. We have tested with and without the features and it does make a difference, with the better numbers once the features are enabled. We would not be planning on adding this for Ethernet. Lonnie On 8/17/06, Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So with this MTU increase is there any chance of packet aggregation so we can make use of it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: 17 August 2006 07:24 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Tom, The new V3 release has been posted and you can set MTU to very high values if your cards support jumbo frames. Our WAR board, with its very advanced Intel Ethernet can do 16K for the MTU. Most other cards have limits in the 2K to 4K range. We also have released the first x86 PC Architecture version and the updated x86 WRAP version. They have the same features as the WAR version. I'm not sure if we mentioned it but the x86 version has a free mode that is no longer a 24 hour trial. It saves settings and everything works, except of course the advanced features that we use to add value. You can use it for fairly advance routing (quagga has ospf and rip) for free. We'll require a paid license for wireless, policy or source routing, bandwidth control and our firewall scripting. We are pretty sure that more than 11 MBytes/sec in Turbo mode on a power machine will meet with approval. Device bonding will be coming fairly soon and it will allow simple hdx bonding, fdx bonding and failover bonding. We use the Linux 2.6 kernel and we have been able to get this image to well under 8 MB and average ram use on bootup is about 16 MB. It took a long time to get here and we have to thank everybody for being patient. Some of you wrote us off and figured that V3 would never reach the light of day, so I hope you take a look at what this new release can do. Lonnie On 8/15/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, When you get that feature solved / added, please let me know, or make a public announcement. If you let me know, I'll do a bunch of talk for you persoanlly, to promote the feature. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 It will just be easier to support an insane MTU size so that people can go and do whatever they want. I can imagine people doing some vlan in vlan and then running the whole works over a tunnel, and each one adds tags and headers to the actual 1500 byte payload. Lonnie On 8/14/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, I just wrote to you off list, before seeing your onlist response. V3 has support for a fully transparent client bridge when it talks to an appropriately configured V3 AP system. That is good news! License Fee after 1 year. The policy you explained, is fair and reasonable. We are currently working on a custom MTU size interface for every device to be able to handle whatever you want for MTU size. Great. To be more clear... Its easy for people (like me) to get confused between IP versus Ethernet headers. In our VLAN applications, its the Ethernet packet that needs to be supported above 1500bytes (for addition of VLAN to Ethernet header), we'd rarely ever need to increase IP packet MTU above 1500 MTU. (although I see applications for IPSEC if larger MTU allowed or possibly for passing MPLS). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
Lonnie, Wow, that was fast. Great New! Testing starts this week. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Tom, The new V3 release has been posted and you can set MTU to very high values if your cards support jumbo frames. Our WAR board, with its very advanced Intel Ethernet can do 16K for the MTU. Most other cards have limits in the 2K to 4K range. We also have released the first x86 PC Architecture version and the updated x86 WRAP version. They have the same features as the WAR version. I'm not sure if we mentioned it but the x86 version has a free mode that is no longer a 24 hour trial. It saves settings and everything works, except of course the advanced features that we use to add value. You can use it for fairly advance routing (quagga has ospf and rip) for free. We'll require a paid license for wireless, policy or source routing, bandwidth control and our firewall scripting. We are pretty sure that more than 11 MBytes/sec in Turbo mode on a power machine will meet with approval. Device bonding will be coming fairly soon and it will allow simple hdx bonding, fdx bonding and failover bonding. We use the Linux 2.6 kernel and we have been able to get this image to well under 8 MB and average ram use on bootup is about 16 MB. It took a long time to get here and we have to thank everybody for being patient. Some of you wrote us off and figured that V3 would never reach the light of day, so I hope you take a look at what this new release can do. Lonnie On 8/15/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, When you get that feature solved / added, please let me know, or make a public announcement. If you let me know, I'll do a bunch of talk for you persoanlly, to promote the feature. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 It will just be easier to support an insane MTU size so that people can go and do whatever they want. I can imagine people doing some vlan in vlan and then running the whole works over a tunnel, and each one adds tags and headers to the actual 1500 byte payload. Lonnie On 8/14/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, I just wrote to you off list, before seeing your onlist response. V3 has support for a fully transparent client bridge when it talks to an appropriately configured V3 AP system. That is good news! License Fee after 1 year. The policy you explained, is fair and reasonable. We are currently working on a custom MTU size interface for every device to be able to handle whatever you want for MTU size. Great. To be more clear... Its easy for people (like me) to get confused between IP versus Ethernet headers. In our VLAN applications, its the Ethernet packet that needs to be supported above 1500bytes (for addition of VLAN to Ethernet header), we'd rarely ever need to increase IP packet MTU above 1500 MTU. (although I see applications for IPSEC if larger MTU allowed or possibly for passing MPLS). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
11MByte/sec as in approx 88Mbps? Sounds about like NStreme Turbo (40MHz channel) or Alvarion B100 (40MHz channel). Considering this thread was originally about the RB532 and its shortcomings, has anyone tried loading MikroTik OS onto the StarOS 533MHz hardware? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Lonnie, Wow, that was fast. Great New! Testing starts this week. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Tom, The new V3 release has been posted and you can set MTU to very high values if your cards support jumbo frames. Our WAR board, with its very advanced Intel Ethernet can do 16K for the MTU. Most other cards have limits in the 2K to 4K range. We also have released the first x86 PC Architecture version and the updated x86 WRAP version. They have the same features as the WAR version. I'm not sure if we mentioned it but the x86 version has a free mode that is no longer a 24 hour trial. It saves settings and everything works, except of course the advanced features that we use to add value. You can use it for fairly advance routing (quagga has ospf and rip) for free. We'll require a paid license for wireless, policy or source routing, bandwidth control and our firewall scripting. We are pretty sure that more than 11 MBytes/sec in Turbo mode on a power machine will meet with approval. Device bonding will be coming fairly soon and it will allow simple hdx bonding, fdx bonding and failover bonding. We use the Linux 2.6 kernel and we have been able to get this image to well under 8 MB and average ram use on bootup is about 16 MB. It took a long time to get here and we have to thank everybody for being patient. Some of you wrote us off and figured that V3 would never reach the light of day, so I hope you take a look at what this new release can do. Lonnie On 8/15/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, When you get that feature solved / added, please let me know, or make a public announcement. If you let me know, I'll do a bunch of talk for you persoanlly, to promote the feature. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 It will just be easier to support an insane MTU size so that people can go and do whatever they want. I can imagine people doing some vlan in vlan and then running the whole works over a tunnel, and each one adds tags and headers to the actual 1500 byte payload. Lonnie On 8/14/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, I just wrote to you off list, before seeing your onlist response. V3 has support for a fully transparent client bridge when it talks to an appropriately configured V3 AP system. That is good news! License Fee after 1 year. The policy you explained, is fair and reasonable. We are currently working on a custom MTU size interface for every device to be able to handle whatever you want for MTU size. Great. To be more clear... Its easy for people (like me) to get confused between IP versus Ethernet headers. In our VLAN applications, its the Ethernet packet that needs to be supported above 1500bytes (for addition of VLAN to Ethernet header), we'd rarely ever need to increase IP packet MTU above 1500 MTU. (although I see applications for IPSEC if larger MTU allowed or possibly for passing MPLS). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 11MByte/sec as in approx 88Mbps? Sounds about like NStreme Turbo (40MHz channel) or Alvarion B100 (40MHz channel). Considering this thread was originally about the RB532 and its shortcomings, has anyone tried loading MikroTik OS onto the StarOS 533MHz hardware? *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~ JohnnyO Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Lonnie, Wow, that was fast. Great New! Testing starts this week. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Tom, The new V3 release has been posted and you can set MTU to very high values if your cards support jumbo frames. Our WAR board, with its very advanced Intel Ethernet can do 16K for the MTU. Most other cards have limits in the 2K to 4K range. We also have released the first x86 PC Architecture version and the updated x86 WRAP version. They have the same features as the WAR version. I'm not sure if we mentioned it but the x86 version has a free mode that is no longer a 24 hour trial. It saves settings and everything works, except of course the advanced features that we use to add value. You can use it for fairly advance routing (quagga has ospf and rip) for free. We'll require a paid license for wireless, policy or source routing, bandwidth control and our firewall scripting. We are pretty sure that more than 11 MBytes/sec in Turbo mode on a power machine will meet with approval. Device bonding will be coming fairly soon and it will allow simple hdx bonding, fdx bonding and failover bonding. We use the Linux 2.6 kernel and we have been able to get this image to well under 8 MB and average ram use on bootup is about 16 MB. It took a long time to get here and we have to thank everybody for being patient. Some of you wrote us off and figured that V3 would never reach the light of day, so I hope you take a look at what this new release can do. Lonnie On 8/15/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, When you get that feature solved / added, please let me know, or make a public announcement. If you let me know, I'll do a bunch of talk for you persoanlly, to promote the feature. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 It will just be easier to support an insane MTU size so that people can go and do whatever they want. I can imagine people doing some vlan in vlan and then running the whole works over a tunnel, and each one adds tags and headers to the actual 1500 byte payload. Lonnie On 8/14/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, I just wrote to you off list, before seeing your onlist response. V3 has support for a fully transparent client bridge when it talks to an appropriately configured V3 AP system. That is good news! License Fee after 1 year. The policy you explained, is fair and reasonable. We are currently working on a custom MTU size interface for every device to be able to handle whatever you want for MTU size. Great. To be more clear... Its easy for people (like me) to get confused between IP versus Ethernet headers. In our VLAN applications, its the Ethernet packet that needs to be supported above 1500bytes (for addition of VLAN to Ethernet header), we'd rarely ever need to increase IP packet MTU above 1500 MTU. (although I see applications for IPSEC if larger MTU allowed or possibly for passing MPLS). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation
Re: [WISPA] Midland, TX
Thanks for the reference. I spoke with David @ Netwest and it appears they will be able to take care of me. -Matt Wireless wrote: Basin Broadband Netwest Online www.basinbroadband.com www.nwol.net --- Best for business by reputation. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Midland, TX Anyone provide service in Midland, TX? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
Not exactly full featured packet aggregation. What it does it joins two packets together into one bigger. If you have 14 100 bytes packets (which is avg over regular networks) it will join each two of them into one 200 bytes packet and send it through as 7 packets. Real packet aggregation implementation joins all 14 of these packets into one 1400 bytes packet and sends it as one bigger instead of 7 smaller. This makes huge impact under heavy load. Regards, Leszek Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: I'm not sure I understand the question. The Atheros card already does packet aggregation and compression. We have tested with and without the features and it does make a difference, with the better numbers once the features are enabled. We would not be planning on adding this for Ethernet. Lonnie On 8/17/06, Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So with this MTU increase is there any chance of packet aggregation so we can make use of it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: 17 August 2006 07:24 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Tom, The new V3 release has been posted and you can set MTU to very high values if your cards support jumbo frames. Our WAR board, with its very advanced Intel Ethernet can do 16K for the MTU. Most other cards have limits in the 2K to 4K range. We also have released the first x86 PC Architecture version and the updated x86 WRAP version. They have the same features as the WAR version. I'm not sure if we mentioned it but the x86 version has a free mode that is no longer a 24 hour trial. It saves settings and everything works, except of course the advanced features that we use to add value. You can use it for fairly advance routing (quagga has ospf and rip) for free. We'll require a paid license for wireless, policy or source routing, bandwidth control and our firewall scripting. We are pretty sure that more than 11 MBytes/sec in Turbo mode on a power machine will meet with approval. Device bonding will be coming fairly soon and it will allow simple hdx bonding, fdx bonding and failover bonding. We use the Linux 2.6 kernel and we have been able to get this image to well under 8 MB and average ram use on bootup is about 16 MB. It took a long time to get here and we have to thank everybody for being patient. Some of you wrote us off and figured that V3 would never reach the light of day, so I hope you take a look at what this new release can do. Lonnie On 8/15/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, When you get that feature solved / added, please let me know, or make a public announcement. If you let me know, I'll do a bunch of talk for you persoanlly, to promote the feature. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 It will just be easier to support an insane MTU size so that people can go and do whatever they want. I can imagine people doing some vlan in vlan and then running the whole works over a tunnel, and each one adds tags and headers to the actual 1500 byte payload. Lonnie On 8/14/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, I just wrote to you off list, before seeing your onlist response. V3 has support for a fully transparent client bridge when it talks to an appropriately configured V3 AP system. That is good news! License Fee after 1 year. The policy you explained, is fair and reasonable. We are currently working on a custom MTU size interface for every device to be able to handle whatever you want for MTU size. Great. To be more clear... Its easy for people (like me) to get confused between IP versus Ethernet headers. In our VLAN applications, its the Ethernet packet that needs to be supported above 1500bytes (for addition of VLAN to Ethernet header), we'd rarely ever need to increase IP packet MTU above 1500 MTU. (although I see applications for IPSEC if larger MTU allowed or possibly for passing MPLS). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system
Get them a bigger antenna at that site so that they can have better coverage there. And/or put in a band pass filter for them. marlon - Original Message - From: chris cooper To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system A rural water district cuts through the center of our network. Their automatic meter reading system operates on 916.5 at @ ½ db. They are having problems reading meters near one of our cells that sits 2 Mhz off them. That was the only slot available on that tower, so we cant really move without major disruption. Their system only works on 916.5 Has anyone had to work through this? If you have can you hit me offlist? Im interested in what compromise was worked out. Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale
Finally, a big company that's got the brains to tell the government to stick their high price spectrum tax where the sun don't shine! marlon - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060816/tc_nm/telecoms_wireless_satellite_dc_3 Thank you. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 efax 530-323-7025 http://4isps.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale
Amen. Designing government policy for the purpose of generating the highest income from spectrum licensing is completely contrary to policy designed to serve the public. This had a major role in the US cellular industry losing the worldwide lead (which didn't do any American any good). Why can't our government understand this? European 3G spectrum auctions nearly broke the back of BT (forced it into bankruptcy and spliting the company such that the telecom half didn't sink with the cellular half ... or at least that's how I understood it). The FCC should be managing spectrum for the benefit of the American people, not managing spectrum to maximize government revenue. But that's just me. Rich - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale Finally, a big company that's got the brains to tell the government to stick their high price spectrum tax where the sun don't shine! marlon - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060816/tc_nm/telecoms_wireless_satellite_dc_3 Thank you. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 efax 530-323-7025 http://4isps.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale
Imagine what would happen if the FCC sold the license not to the highest bidder, but the one that was contractually forced to serve the most customers. Either way the company in question would require billions to win, but the later option might actually result in more customers being served, the money being spent on deployment, and the ability for innovative companies to raise money contingent on their business model winning. -Matt Rich Comroe wrote: Amen. Designing government policy for the purpose of generating the highest income from spectrum licensing is completely contrary to policy designed to serve the public. This had a major role in the US cellular industry losing the worldwide lead (which didn't do any American any good). Why can't our government understand this? European 3G spectrum auctions nearly broke the back of BT (forced it into bankruptcy and spliting the company such that the telecom half didn't sink with the cellular half ... or at least that's how I understood it). The FCC should be managing spectrum for the benefit of the American people, not managing spectrum to maximize government revenue. But that's just me. Rich - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale Finally, a big company that's got the brains to tell the government to stick their high price spectrum tax where the sun don't shine! marlon - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060816/tc_nm/telecoms_wireless_satellite_dc_3 Thank you. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 efax 530-323-7025 http://4isps.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
*Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~ JohnnyO Johnny.. Where do you come from that you think it is ok to practice Bigotry. On this list, it is not ok to be a bigot. We have had numerous people complain about your slams. Some are vendors who have said they will not contribute financially and others were wisps who will not subscribe to a list that your on. I am going to ask the board to consider removing your posting privileges. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system
Yeah more power will fix it.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system Get them a bigger antenna at that site so that they can have better coverage there. And/or put in a band pass filter for them. marlon - Original Message - From: chris cooper To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system A rural water district cuts through the center of our network. Their automatic meter reading system operates on 916.5 at @ ½ db. They are having problems reading meters near one of our cells that sits 2 Mhz off them. That was the only slot available on that tower, so we cant really move without major disruption. Their system only works on 916.5 Has anyone had to work through this? If you have can you hit me offlist? Im interested in what compromise was worked out. Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system
More power fixes everything!!! Chadd Thompson wrote: Yeah more power will fix it.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system Get them a bigger antenna at that site so that they can have better coverage there. And/or put in a band pass filter for them. marlon - Original Message - From: chris cooper To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system A rural water district cuts through the center of our network. Their automatic meter reading system operates on 916.5 at @ db. They are having problems reading meters near one of our cells that sits 2 Mhz off them. That was the only slot available on that tower, so we cant really move without major disruption. Their system only works on 916.5 Has anyone had to work through this? If you have can you hit me offlist? Im interested in what compromise was worked out. Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 8/16/2006 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~ JohnnyO Johnny.. Where do you come from that you think it is ok to practice Bigotry. On this list, it is not ok to be a bigot. We have had numerous people complain about your slams. Some are vendors who have said they will not contribute financially and others were wisps who will not subscribe to a list that your on. I am going to ask the board to consider removing your posting privileges. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
George, who wedged your panties in a wad this morning? Have you nothing better to do than to pick a fight with JohnnyO? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~ JohnnyO Johnny.. Where do you come from that you think it is ok to practice Bigotry. On this list, it is not ok to be a bigot. We have had numerous people complain about your slams. Some are vendors who have said they will not contribute financially and others were wisps who will not subscribe to a list that your on. I am going to ask the board to consider removing your posting privileges. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: StarOS
With the nazi administration currently in power, one should think twice before deciding someone shouldn't be allowed to say or write things. But, I must say this statement is like a Linux loon calling FreeBSD crap. - cw JohnnyO wrote: I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
Calm down kids!! First of all to JohnnyO - you need to spend a lot more time practicing some self-control. Instead of digging into Lonnie, why not just make a request to change the name of the thread. FWIW, Lonnie did NOT hijack this thread - others who were testing WAR boards out brought up their experiences with it and testing and Lonnie responded. That is entirely appropriate. There would not be a response like George's if you didn't have a history of pissing people off on this and other lists. What George said is true - there are companies and other WISPs that won't subscribe to a list of you are on it. I'm not going to go into details here, but you are welcome to hit me up offlist if you want a breakdown. Also it is not George's responsibility to manage posts and subject lines, so it is not fair to dig into him about list management. Second, to George. I appreciate your desire to maintain decorum on the lists, but I think it would have been more appropriate to respond to JohnnyO offlist. I don't think this was a situation of bigotry, just a slightly misunderstood bit of joking around between a couple of people who are a little bit sensitive toward ribbing coming from each other. Not a big deal at all. Finally, to everyone... I am very happy to see that we have built up a nice community on the WISPA lists, and I hope we continue to build that sense of community. I am all for a little bit of spice and it is good to see some legitimate, real world experience and testing get exchanged between the members. Of all the lists I'm on, this is now the most useful one to me by FAR, and that is not something that happened overnight. It has taken some time and unfortunately we do still have to try to put people in their place when things get a little too out of hand, but overall I think that we have done a very good job of maintaining the balance between total control and anarchy. Peace out, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] JohnnyO wrote: George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~ JohnnyO Johnny.. Where do you come from that you think it is ok to practice Bigotry. On this list, it is not ok to be a bigot. We have had numerous people complain about your slams. Some are vendors who have said they will not contribute financially and others were wisps who will not subscribe to a list that your on. I am going to ask the board to consider removing your posting privileges. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale
The answer is base station licenses for those who need / want spectrum with interference protection and higher power. With this model you could apply for a base station license (in other words 1 tower location worth of spectrum in one geographic area), pay an annual fee and have exclusive use of a small bit of spectrum to allow you to offer services without fear of interference and with higher power which would give you enough coverage area to serve 100% of the potential customers around your base station. This is the answer. Scriv Rich Comroe wrote: Amen. Designing government policy for the purpose of generating the highest income from spectrum licensing is completely contrary to policy designed to serve the public. This had a major role in the US cellular industry losing the worldwide lead (which didn't do any American any good). Why can't our government understand this? European 3G spectrum auctions nearly broke the back of BT (forced it into bankruptcy and spliting the company such that the telecom half didn't sink with the cellular half ... or at least that's how I understood it). The FCC should be managing spectrum for the benefit of the American people, not managing spectrum to maximize government revenue. But that's just me. Rich - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale Finally, a big company that's got the brains to tell the government to stick their high price spectrum tax where the sun don't shine! marlon - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060816/tc_nm/telecoms_wireless_satellite_dc_3 Thank you. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 efax 530-323-7025 http://4isps.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
Can I have an AMEN! Woo Hoo! On 8/17/06 2:03 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calm down kids!! First of all to JohnnyO - you need to spend a lot more time practicing some self-control. Instead of digging into Lonnie, why not just make a request to change the name of the thread. FWIW, Lonnie did NOT hijack this thread - others who were testing WAR boards out brought up their experiences with it and testing and Lonnie responded. That is entirely appropriate. There would not be a response like George's if you didn't have a history of pissing people off on this and other lists. What George said is true - there are companies and other WISPs that won't subscribe to a list of you are on it. I'm not going to go into details here, but you are welcome to hit me up offlist if you want a breakdown. Also it is not George's responsibility to manage posts and subject lines, so it is not fair to dig into him about list management. Second, to George. I appreciate your desire to maintain decorum on the lists, but I think it would have been more appropriate to respond to JohnnyO offlist. I don't think this was a situation of bigotry, just a slightly misunderstood bit of joking around between a couple of people who are a little bit sensitive toward ribbing coming from each other. Not a big deal at all. Finally, to everyone... I am very happy to see that we have built up a nice community on the WISPA lists, and I hope we continue to build that sense of community. I am all for a little bit of spice and it is good to see some legitimate, real world experience and testing get exchanged between the members. Of all the lists I'm on, this is now the most useful one to me by FAR, and that is not something that happened overnight. It has taken some time and unfortunately we do still have to try to put people in their place when things get a little too out of hand, but overall I think that we have done a very good job of maintaining the balance between total control and anarchy. Peace out, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] JohnnyO wrote: George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~ JohnnyO Johnny.. Where do you come from that you think it is ok to practice Bigotry. On this list, it is not ok to be a bigot. We have had numerous people complain about your slams. Some are vendors who have said they will not contribute financially and others were wisps who will not subscribe to a list that your on. I am going to ask the board to consider removing your posting privileges. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
Brad, Fact is we have had numerous vendors not want to join or have anything to do with wispa specifically because of JohnnyO's postings. We have had numerous wisps say they didn't want to join or have anything to do with wispa because of JohnnyO's postings. WISPA will not be an uncomfortable place for some, it will be a list that you can make informative posts without fear of getting slammed. I have lots better to do than mess with Johnny but I also have a responsibility to set the rules. Do not attack your fellow wisp. George Brad Belton wrote: George, who wedged your panties in a wad this morning? Have you nothing better to do than to pick a fight with JohnnyO? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~ JohnnyO Johnny.. Where do you come from that you think it is ok to practice Bigotry. On this list, it is not ok to be a bigot. We have had numerous people complain about your slams. Some are vendors who have said they will not contribute financially and others were wisps who will not subscribe to a list that your on. I am going to ask the board to consider removing your posting privileges. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale
Bunch of Commie bums, What happened to the great capitalist dream?? :-P John as a Rotarian you know, If you help them with the right tools and no handouts the community will succeed. And that is what the FCC must be doing. Competition is good, keep the playing field level and may the best man win. Here's a question, All the incumbents bought alot of spectrum now the other day, they are all now buying more spectrum. Where does the money come from, whose money are they spending And then they squat on the spectrum. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha John Scrivner wrote: The answer is base station licenses for those who need / want spectrum with interference protection and higher power. With this model you could apply for a base station license (in other words 1 tower location worth of spectrum in one geographic area), pay an annual fee and have exclusive use of a small bit of spectrum to allow you to offer services without fear of interference and with higher power which would give you enough coverage area to serve 100% of the potential customers around your base station. This is the answer. Scriv Rich Comroe wrote: Amen. Designing government policy for the purpose of generating the highest income from spectrum licensing is completely contrary to policy designed to serve the public. This had a major role in the US cellular industry losing the worldwide lead (which didn't do any American any good). Why can't our government understand this? European 3G spectrum auctions nearly broke the back of BT (forced it into bankruptcy and spliting the company such that the telecom half didn't sink with the cellular half ... or at least that's how I understood it). The FCC should be managing spectrum for the benefit of the American people, not managing spectrum to maximize government revenue. But that's just me. Rich - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale Finally, a big company that's got the brains to tell the government to stick their high price spectrum tax where the sun don't shine! marlon - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060816/tc_nm/telecoms_wireless_satellite_dc_3 Thank you. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 efax 530-323-7025 http://4isps.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
Thank you Matt. I am glad you took this one. I would have said the exact same things you did if I was that good with words. I absolutely agree with everything you said here. :-) Scriv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Calm down kids!! First of all to JohnnyO - you need to spend a lot more time practicing some self-control. Instead of digging into Lonnie, why not just make a request to change the name of the thread. FWIW, Lonnie did NOT hijack this thread - others who were testing WAR boards out brought up their experiences with it and testing and Lonnie responded. That is entirely appropriate. There would not be a response like George's if you didn't have a history of pissing people off on this and other lists. What George said is true - there are companies and other WISPs that won't subscribe to a list of you are on it. I'm not going to go into details here, but you are welcome to hit me up offlist if you want a breakdown. Also it is not George's responsibility to manage posts and subject lines, so it is not fair to dig into him about list management. Second, to George. I appreciate your desire to maintain decorum on the lists, but I think it would have been more appropriate to respond to JohnnyO offlist. I don't think this was a situation of bigotry, just a slightly misunderstood bit of joking around between a couple of people who are a little bit sensitive toward ribbing coming from each other. Not a big deal at all. Finally, to everyone... I am very happy to see that we have built up a nice community on the WISPA lists, and I hope we continue to build that sense of community. I am all for a little bit of spice and it is good to see some legitimate, real world experience and testing get exchanged between the members. Of all the lists I'm on, this is now the most useful one to me by FAR, and that is not something that happened overnight. It has taken some time and unfortunately we do still have to try to put people in their place when things get a little too out of hand, but overall I think that we have done a very good job of maintaining the balance between total control and anarchy. Peace out, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] JohnnyO wrote: George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~ JohnnyO Johnny.. Where do you come from that you think it is ok to practice Bigotry. On this list, it is not ok to be a bigot. We have had numerous people complain about your slams. Some are vendors who have said they will not contribute financially and others were wisps who will not subscribe to a list that your on. I am going to ask the board to consider removing your posting privileges. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 [THREAD CLOSED]
Better late than never! This Thread is closed. Start a new thread if you want to discuss either platforms further and keep it civil. Offline discussions with the various parties of this thread have taken place and concerns have been voiced. Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Thank you Matt. I am glad you took this one. I would have said the exact same things you did if I was that good with words. I absolutely agree with everything you said here. :-) Scriv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Calm down kids!! First of all to JohnnyO - you need to spend a lot more time practicing some self-control. Instead of digging into Lonnie, why not just make a request to change the name of the thread. FWIW, Lonnie did NOT hijack this thread - others who were testing WAR boards out brought up their experiences with it and testing and Lonnie responded. That is entirely appropriate. There would not be a response like George's if you didn't have a history of pissing people off on this and other lists. What George said is true - there are companies and other WISPs that won't subscribe to a list of you are on it. I'm not going to go into details here, but you are welcome to hit me up offlist if you want a breakdown. Also it is not George's responsibility to manage posts and subject lines, so it is not fair to dig into him about list management. Second, to George. I appreciate your desire to maintain decorum on the lists, but I think it would have been more appropriate to respond to JohnnyO offlist. I don't think this was a situation of bigotry, just a slightly misunderstood bit of joking around between a couple of people who are a little bit sensitive toward ribbing coming from each other. Not a big deal at all. Finally, to everyone... I am very happy to see that we have built up a nice community on the WISPA lists, and I hope we continue to build that sense of community. I am all for a little bit of spice and it is good to see some legitimate, real world experience and testing get exchanged between the members. Of all the lists I'm on, this is now the most useful one to me by FAR, and that is not something that happened overnight. It has taken some time and unfortunately we do still have to try to put people in their place when things get a little too out of hand, but overall I think that we have done a very good job of maintaining the balance between total control and anarchy. Peace out, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] JohnnyO wrote: George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~ JohnnyO Johnny.. Where do you come from that you think it is ok to practice Bigotry. On this list, it is not ok to be a bigot. We have had numerous people complain about your slams. Some are vendors who have said they will not contribute financially and others were wisps who will not subscribe to a list that your on. I am going to ask the board to consider removing your posting privileges. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
RE: [WISPA] Appology for the Canadian Remark
I appologize if I offended any canadians with my canadian comment. Also appologize if I offended anyone by accusing someone of stealing a thread for self-promotion of their own product lines not associated with the thread title itself. Some things just get me excited. Bash me offlist if needed. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 [THREAD CLOSED] Better late than never! This Thread is closed. Start a new thread if you want to discuss either platforms further and keep it civil. Offline discussions with the various parties of this thread have taken place and concerns have been voiced. Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Thank you Matt. I am glad you took this one. I would have said the exact same things you did if I was that good with words. I absolutely agree with everything you said here. :-) Scriv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Calm down kids!! First of all to JohnnyO - you need to spend a lot more time practicing some self-control. Instead of digging into Lonnie, why not just make a request to change the name of the thread. FWIW, Lonnie did NOT hijack this thread - others who were testing WAR boards out brought up their experiences with it and testing and Lonnie responded. That is entirely appropriate. There would not be a response like George's if you didn't have a history of pissing people off on this and other lists. What George said is true - there are companies and other WISPs that won't subscribe to a list of you are on it. I'm not going to go into details here, but you are welcome to hit me up offlist if you want a breakdown. Also it is not George's responsibility to manage posts and subject lines, so it is not fair to dig into him about list management. Second, to George. I appreciate your desire to maintain decorum on the lists, but I think it would have been more appropriate to respond to JohnnyO offlist. I don't think this was a situation of bigotry, just a slightly misunderstood bit of joking around between a couple of people who are a little bit sensitive toward ribbing coming from each other. Not a big deal at all. Finally, to everyone... I am very happy to see that we have built up a nice community on the WISPA lists, and I hope we continue to build that sense of community. I am all for a little bit of spice and it is good to see some legitimate, real world experience and testing get exchanged between the members. Of all the lists I'm on, this is now the most useful one to me by FAR, and that is not something that happened overnight. It has taken some time and unfortunately we do still have to try to put people in their place when things get a little too out of hand, but overall I think that we have done a very good job of maintaining the balance between total control and anarchy. Peace out, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] JohnnyO wrote: George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~ JohnnyO Johnny.. Where do you come from that you think it is ok to practice Bigotry. On this list, it is not ok to be a bigot.
Re: [WISPA] Appology for the Canadian Remark
Why off-list? :-) On 8/17/06 6:30 PM, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appologize if I offended any canadians with my canadian comment. Also appologize if I offended anyone by accusing someone of stealing a thread for self-promotion of their own product lines not associated with the thread title itself. Some things just get me excited. Bash me offlist if needed. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 [THREAD CLOSED] Better late than never! This Thread is closed. Start a new thread if you want to discuss either platforms further and keep it civil. Offline discussions with the various parties of this thread have taken place and concerns have been voiced. Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Thank you Matt. I am glad you took this one. I would have said the exact same things you did if I was that good with words. I absolutely agree with everything you said here. :-) Scriv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Calm down kids!! First of all to JohnnyO - you need to spend a lot more time practicing some self-control. Instead of digging into Lonnie, why not just make a request to change the name of the thread. FWIW, Lonnie did NOT hijack this thread - others who were testing WAR boards out brought up their experiences with it and testing and Lonnie responded. That is entirely appropriate. There would not be a response like George's if you didn't have a history of pissing people off on this and other lists. What George said is true - there are companies and other WISPs that won't subscribe to a list of you are on it. I'm not going to go into details here, but you are welcome to hit me up offlist if you want a breakdown. Also it is not George's responsibility to manage posts and subject lines, so it is not fair to dig into him about list management. Second, to George. I appreciate your desire to maintain decorum on the lists, but I think it would have been more appropriate to respond to JohnnyO offlist. I don't think this was a situation of bigotry, just a slightly misunderstood bit of joking around between a couple of people who are a little bit sensitive toward ribbing coming from each other. Not a big deal at all. Finally, to everyone... I am very happy to see that we have built up a nice community on the WISPA lists, and I hope we continue to build that sense of community. I am all for a little bit of spice and it is good to see some legitimate, real world experience and testing get exchanged between the members. Of all the lists I'm on, this is now the most useful one to me by FAR, and that is not something that happened overnight. It has taken some time and unfortunately we do still have to try to put people in their place when things get a little too out of hand, but overall I think that we have done a very good job of maintaining the balance between total control and anarchy. Peace out, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] JohnnyO wrote: George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~ JohnnyO Johnny..
Re: [WISPA] Appology for the Canadian Remark
Can I bash first?LOL Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Appology for the Canadian Remark Why off-list? :-) On 8/17/06 6:30 PM, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appologize if I offended any canadians with my canadian comment. Also appologize if I offended anyone by accusing someone of stealing a thread for self-promotion of their own product lines not associated with the thread title itself. Some things just get me excited. Bash me offlist if needed. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 [THREAD CLOSED] Better late than never! This Thread is closed. Start a new thread if you want to discuss either platforms further and keep it civil. Offline discussions with the various parties of this thread have taken place and concerns have been voiced. Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Thank you Matt. I am glad you took this one. I would have said the exact same things you did if I was that good with words. I absolutely agree with everything you said here. :-) Scriv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Calm down kids!! First of all to JohnnyO - you need to spend a lot more time practicing some self-control. Instead of digging into Lonnie, why not just make a request to change the name of the thread. FWIW, Lonnie did NOT hijack this thread - others who were testing WAR boards out brought up their experiences with it and testing and Lonnie responded. That is entirely appropriate. There would not be a response like George's if you didn't have a history of pissing people off on this and other lists. What George said is true - there are companies and other WISPs that won't subscribe to a list of you are on it. I'm not going to go into details here, but you are welcome to hit me up offlist if you want a breakdown. Also it is not George's responsibility to manage posts and subject lines, so it is not fair to dig into him about list management. Second, to George. I appreciate your desire to maintain decorum on the lists, but I think it would have been more appropriate to respond to JohnnyO offlist. I don't think this was a situation of bigotry, just a slightly misunderstood bit of joking around between a couple of people who are a little bit sensitive toward ribbing coming from each other. Not a big deal at all. Finally, to everyone... I am very happy to see that we have built up a nice community on the WISPA lists, and I hope we continue to build that sense of community. I am all for a little bit of spice and it is good to see some legitimate, real world experience and testing get exchanged between the members. Of all the lists I'm on, this is now the most useful one to me by FAR, and that is not something that happened overnight. It has taken some time and unfortunately we do still have to try to put people in their place when things get a little too out of hand, but overall I think that we have done a very good job of maintaining the balance between total control and anarchy. Peace out, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] JohnnyO wrote: George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From:
Re: [WISPA] Appology for the Canadian Remark
Thanks JohnnyO. Matt Larsen (conveniently located halfway between Louisiana and Canada, between the two extremes :^) [EMAIL PROTECTED] JohnnyO wrote: I appologize if I offended any canadians with my canadian comment. Also appologize if I offended anyone by accusing someone of stealing a thread for self-promotion of their own product lines not associated with the thread title itself. Some things just get me excited. Bash me offlist if needed. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 [THREAD CLOSED] Better late than never! This Thread is closed. Start a new thread if you want to discuss either platforms further and keep it civil. Offline discussions with the various parties of this thread have taken place and concerns have been voiced. Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Thank you Matt. I am glad you took this one. I would have said the exact same things you did if I was that good with words. I absolutely agree with everything you said here. :-) Scriv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Calm down kids!! First of all to JohnnyO - you need to spend a lot more time practicing some self-control. Instead of digging into Lonnie, why not just make a request to change the name of the thread. FWIW, Lonnie did NOT hijack this thread - others who were testing WAR boards out brought up their experiences with it and testing and Lonnie responded. That is entirely appropriate. There would not be a response like George's if you didn't have a history of pissing people off on this and other lists. What George said is true - there are companies and other WISPs that won't subscribe to a list of you are on it. I'm not going to go into details here, but you are welcome to hit me up offlist if you want a breakdown. Also it is not George's responsibility to manage posts and subject lines, so it is not fair to dig into him about list management. Second, to George. I appreciate your desire to maintain decorum on the lists, but I think it would have been more appropriate to respond to JohnnyO offlist. I don't think this was a situation of bigotry, just a slightly misunderstood bit of joking around between a couple of people who are a little bit sensitive toward ribbing coming from each other. Not a big deal at all. Finally, to everyone... I am very happy to see that we have built up a nice community on the WISPA lists, and I hope we continue to build that sense of community. I am all for a little bit of spice and it is good to see some legitimate, real world experience and testing get exchanged between the members. Of all the lists I'm on, this is now the most useful one to me by FAR, and that is not something that happened overnight. It has taken some time and unfortunately we do still have to try to put people in their place when things get a little too out of hand, but overall I think that we have done a very good job of maintaining the balance between total control and anarchy. Peace out, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] JohnnyO wrote: George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We shouldn't punish him for it
Re: [WISPA] now known as bash Johnny party
To be able to bash him, please supply 24 beer for his headache that will there from the bashing. No beer, no Bashing. Johnny remember to share the beer ;-) You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Thanks JohnnyO. Matt Larsen (conveniently located halfway between Louisiana and Canada, between the two extremes :^) [EMAIL PROTECTED] JohnnyO wrote: I appologize if I offended any canadians with my canadian comment. Also appologize if I offended anyone by accusing someone of stealing a thread for self-promotion of their own product lines not associated with the thread title itself. Some things just get me excited. Bash me offlist if needed. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 [THREAD CLOSED] Better late than never! This Thread is closed. Start a new thread if you want to discuss either platforms further and keep it civil. Offline discussions with the various parties of this thread have taken place and concerns have been voiced. Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Thank you Matt. I am glad you took this one. I would have said the exact same things you did if I was that good with words. I absolutely agree with everything you said here. :-) Scriv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Calm down kids!! First of all to JohnnyO - you need to spend a lot more time practicing some self-control. Instead of digging into Lonnie, why not just make a request to change the name of the thread. FWIW, Lonnie did NOT hijack this thread - others who were testing WAR boards out brought up their experiences with it and testing and Lonnie responded. That is entirely appropriate. There would not be a response like George's if you didn't have a history of pissing people off on this and other lists. What George said is true - there are companies and other WISPs that won't subscribe to a list of you are on it. I'm not going to go into details here, but you are welcome to hit me up offlist if you want a breakdown. Also it is not George's responsibility to manage posts and subject lines, so it is not fair to dig into him about list management. Second, to George. I appreciate your desire to maintain decorum on the lists, but I think it would have been more appropriate to respond to JohnnyO offlist. I don't think this was a situation of bigotry, just a slightly misunderstood bit of joking around between a couple of people who are a little bit sensitive toward ribbing coming from each other. Not a big deal at all. Finally, to everyone... I am very happy to see that we have built up a nice community on the WISPA lists, and I hope we continue to build that sense of community. I am all for a little bit of spice and it is good to see some legitimate, real world experience and testing get exchanged between the members. Of all the lists I'm on, this is now the most useful one to me by FAR, and that is not something that happened overnight. It has taken some time and unfortunately we do still have to try to put people in their place when things get a little too out of hand, but overall I think that we have done a very good job of maintaining the balance between total control and anarchy. Peace out, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] JohnnyO wrote: George - can you tell me if calling me a bigot is a slam ? IF it is, then you fall under the same category. I guess it's ok for a vendor to hijack threads to promote his own stuff ? The thread was about the Routerboard 532As and Mikrotik. This is my opinion and I will post my opinions. I guess you think it's ok for you to practice DICTATORSHIP ? I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! Maybe you should put more time into managing the posts and subject lines of the threads. I do have an opinion and am a paying member. Which vendors are you talking about ? Which WISPs ? Don't throw out bullcrap unless you're willing to provide the proof. I banter/kid/joke with the Canadians and have for several years and will continue to do so. I have slammed vendors on Part-15s lists and also Judd's list who have proved to me to be substandard in customer service or product quality, but I can't recall the last time I slammed a vendor on WISPA. JohnnyO -Original
[WISPA] VOIP consultants?
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