[WISPA] SF Muni Wi-Fi
http://featured.gigaom.com/2006/10/04/sf-wifi-meeting/ -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ATT-BST Merger Comments welcome
Interested parties must file comments no later than October 24, 2006. Persons and entities that file comments become parties to the proceeding. They may participate fully in the proceeding, including seeking access to any confidential information that may be filed under a protective order, seeking reconsideration of decisions, and filing appeals of a final decision to the courts. All filings concerning matters referenced in this Public Notice should refer to DA 06-2035 and WC Docket No. 06-74. Comment intelligently to the FCC here: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs All comments become part of the public record. Thank you. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist 813.496.2122 http://4isps.com Join Independent ISPs for America, Inc. http://www.ii4a.org/contact-us/join.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Hotspot revenue
How many of you have done an advertising based revenue model for hotspots or mesh? Im interested in discussing how folks have monetized the captive eyeballs of both their customer base and/or the transient users that traverse the hotspot network. Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Introduction
Hi all, I was told to hop on over to this WISP List also, if you monitor the MikroTik or WISP lists from part-15, then you may already know of me. I am Dennis Burgess, from 2K Wireless. We are located in Festus, MO, just south of St. Louis. We have been operating for almost 3 years now, still small and underdeveloped! I have a number of certifications and do work for a number of private companies including holding a full time job as Director of IT for a group of local dealerships in and around St. Louis.I am MT certified and do provide after hours MT consulting and TCP/IP network design. All of the relevant info is below! Hope to learn a lot more and give out some of what I have learned here on the WISPA list. Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ot, internet home user security info
Hi All, I'd like to add some info to our tech support site. What I'm specifically looking for is a site that shows some examples of phishing, virus', identy theft etc. Anyone know of a site that's already done? OR do I need to make one? laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Introduction
welcome to the best list on the net Dennis! Good to have ya hear. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Introduction Hi all, I was told to hop on over to this WISP List also, if you monitor the MikroTik or WISP lists from part-15, then you may already know of me. I am Dennis Burgess, from 2K Wireless. We are located in Festus, MO, just south of St. Louis. We have been operating for almost 3 years now, still small and underdeveloped! I have a number of certifications and do work for a number of private companies including holding a full time job as Director of IT for a group of local dealerships in and around St. Louis.I am MT certified and do provide after hours MT consulting and TCP/IP network design. All of the relevant info is below! Hope to learn a lot more and give out some of what I have learned here on the WISPA list. Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: WiFi Max
oh brother. Sent by one email addy, signed by someone else. Got my area code right though! The link makes for a funny read. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Sun Wu-Kong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: WiFi Max Marlon have you heard about this one? http://advancedmediacommittee.typepad.com/emmyadvancedmedia/2005/11/the_wimax_price.html Sounds too good to be true. I took my cell and laptop to the top of the hill just south of my house (est elevation 3000 ft pluss) no signal on cell or wi fi. I am going to buy one of the nuckle drive sized usb antennas and hook it up to a parabolic antenna and try again. VR Pat Kirol 509 442-2214 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For you WISPA list people...
thanks Mark! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] For you WISPA list people... Ok, list, this is your lucky day. You get something for nothing. Attached is the spreadsheet I designed to help design solar sites. It makes some rough calculations, and some safe assumptions about how much power you use, vs how much you need to generate, and how much battery capacity you need in order to not deep discharge your batteries during no sun conditions. This is designed to last several years, taking into account: not discharging batteries more than 50%, loss of battery capacity over time, etc. Hope it's useful to you. Now, as far as the specific solar products go, you have to choose the panels by what is available at the time you need it. There's a generalized shortage of solar panels, so the selection is always limited and sometimes you simply have to work around, rather than use the ideal setup. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot, internet home user security info
http://www.scambusters.org/ They seem to know about everything. I always direct people to it when they ask about emails that are clearly bogus. Lonnie On 10/17/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'd like to add some info to our tech support site. What I'm specifically looking for is a site that shows some examples of phishing, virus', identy theft etc. Anyone know of a site that's already done? OR do I need to make one? laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lightning
DigiKey lists a standard inductance for each core and the frequencies they filter. Its been awhile since I researched them, but my primary focus was the FM interference and my secondary was just to get as much inductance as possible for lightning suppression. - the more times you loop the cable through it, the greater the inductance. I go for as many loops as I can possibly get. A lot of times, I buy the inductor mostlybased an the physical size that will work for my application. I use them on just about everything, even my RF pig-tails (with no looping). Brad Hagstrom On 10/17/06, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you compute the total amount of inductance? Based on the length/properties of the Cat5 alone? Would you mind posting the formula or, better, a spreadsheet like that posted for solar? Best,-- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Are you making money?
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17086669 I have not got to the spreadsheet, but the post was well worth the 5 minute read, and I'm looking forward to getting some numbers down on the spreadsheet. I think this could help some of us. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] more security reading
http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm Don't seem to hear about these nearly as often anymore though. Have things gotten better or have I just been living under a rock for too long? laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam
Anybody been able to block the stockmarket spam??? My Merak with Spamassassin is loosing the battle. -- You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] security thread from 2001. What, if anything, has changed since then?
- Original Message - From: Chris Maxwell, WDSL Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:12 PM Subject: Re[2]: Hackers can penetrate wireless network OK, before we get too far into these security arguments too far, lets look at what we are trying to prove: 1. Is it possible to gain usable access to a wireless network 2. Is it easier than on a wired network? First, a basic premise of security: there is no such thing as secure in the sense implied - security is the art of making it so difficult to break in, or so time consuming to do so that the investment outweighs the return. Fort Knox, Camp David, Area 51, etc are NOT SECURE - they simply have measures in place to make it extremely difficult to penetrate, and active monitoring to alert sysadmins 1. Yes, it is possible to break into any network given enough time/money. For wireless, just listen, store, and decrypt to gain information, and spoof for access. For hardwire networks/telco, find a wiring closet and some alligator clips. Even T1's are not safe - a few minutes in a manhole with the right equipment and you can man-in-the-middle a T1 as well. Fibre - a little more difficult since you cannot just tap the line, but a pair of repeating splitters and you're in business. 2. Depending on what type of wired network you compare it to, it can be easier or harder to break into a wireless network. A well designed network with multiple layers of firewalls, access codes, MAC verification, encryption, and active detection is extremely hard to break into, especially since a sysadmin is notified when the break-in starts. The level of security needed also must be based on the type of service being offered - public internet access, contrary to public belief does not need to be secure since the other 10-15 hops on the public internet are also unencrypted and readily sniffed. Its a lot easier to social engineer a router password in a NOC than people are lead to believe. For a business network with transactions encryption is required, but that does not guarantee security either - it just prevents casual peeking, a determined effort could brute-force break the encrypted packets - but is it worth the effort? Do banks use greater than 128 bit encryption for inter-bank transfers? Most certainly not - in fact many banking transactions still travel unencrypted over analog lines that any pre-teen with alligator clips and a 14.4 modem hacked to listen only can watch. Is current wireless technology (with or without WEP) sufficient to stop the casual listener - most certainly, since the barrier to entry is the cost of equipment (keeps the script kiddy's away). Is it secure enough to stop a determined break in - no more than any other wired solution, and since the gear is usually on the roof, locked up you have a leg up on the DSL guys - since their termination jacks are all outside, unlocked, and calling out to be opened. Best regards, Chris Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WDSL Inc. www.wdslinc.com 100 Hamilton Street North P.O. Box 650 Waterdown, Ontario, Canada 905-690-6367 x234 905-689-4794 Fax 877-626-6799 Toll Free ___ . The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List . ___ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For you WISPA list people...
I should point out that this calculator is for severe weather northern climates. If you live in some place that doesn't see week-long winter inversions or dense cloud conditions that last a week or more, there are some assumptions that can be altered some that will reduce, for instance, the battery capacity requirements. I have to prepare for up to 8 days in a row with NO generation whatsoever. In fact, it'll be so dark that you can't drive without your lights, for fear of getting hit. But, for someone like Mac, who rarely has storms longer than 2 days, it can be adjusted. The formula in the cell for battery capacity is set for 25 days of capacity. Down in Louisiana, it could be dropped to 10 days, for instance. If you're putting this on a mountaintop, where snow may occaisionally obscure the panels for a while after a storm, you might need to up the battery days to 30 or 45, just to be safe. Maybe you have some site that gets fogged in... That must be taken into account. If you're going to do that, then your margin better hit close to 20 percent, too. Set your system voltage, you can find your insolation value here: http://www.solarseller.com/solar_insolation_maps_and_chart_.htm Use the minimum figure in the field labelled hours. It's not exact, but close enough to work. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] For you WISPA list people... Ok, list, this is your lucky day. You get something for nothing. Attached is the spreadsheet I designed to help design solar sites. It makes some rough calculations, and some safe assumptions about how much power you use, vs how much you need to generate, and how much battery capacity you need in order to not deep discharge your batteries during no sun conditions. This is designed to last several years, taking into account: not discharging batteries more than 50%, loss of battery capacity over time, etc. Hope it's useful to you. Now, as far as the specific solar products go, you have to choose the panels by what is available at the time you need it. There's a generalized shortage of solar panels, so the selection is always limited and sometimes you simply have to work around, rather than use the ideal setup. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: WiFi Max
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: oh brother. Sent by one email addy, signed by someone else. Got my area code right though! The link makes for a funny read. I got a better one just the other day... a letter arrived advising us that a new service will be available in 2007 that offers t1 speed UP and DOWN for $19.99/mo and will be available anywhere you want to be. It's a pure MLM (and MMF!) ploy of course, but what really keeps me laughing are the phony bs claims their website makes. Here's the link: http://www.itsyournet.com/go/12055jz/public__wireless_internet.html They claim it'll go 30 miles, thru trees, buildings, and 20' underground, and yet it's being marketed via MLM and to MMF devotees, not Moto/Intel/Atheros/Broadcom/TI and the others who could actually take such a technology and make real working products that would find their way into the hands of us. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] more security reading
For small guys like me, the upstream provider usually is actively involved in stemming DOS attacks - and often thier upstream as well.I know that they have been the subject of a couple of DDOS attacks, but yet we managed to stay online with only some spikey latency and poor throughput to show. The one thing I could not deal with alone, was when I was subjected to a spam attack, where coordinated spamming was directed at my mail server, so fast and so numerous were the attempts to send mail to it, that it came to a halt, unable to send or receieve mail, and I literally chewed through 2.5 gigs of data transfer in a few hours- all inbound atttempts to send spam. My upstream (also host my web and mail services) blocked that attack and some future ones. I routinely see ssh probes, ping scans, and other somewhat malicious traffic attempting to reach my network. Some of which I have blocked now right at the gateway to my provider. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:58 AM Subject: [WISPA] more security reading http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm Don't seem to hear about these nearly as often anymore though. Have things gotten better or have I just been living under a rock for too long? laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam
our postini is doing a pretty good job. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Carl A Jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:35 AM Subject: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam Anybody been able to block the stockmarket spam??? My Merak with Spamassassin is loosing the battle. -- You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam
Carl A Jeptha wrote: Anybody been able to block the stockmarket spam??? My Merak with Spamassassin is loosing the battle. That seems to be our only weakness. Also using SpamAssassin. -- --- | Nick White | | Network Administrator | | Tele-NET Internet | | http://www.tele-net.net | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Level3 buys Broadwing
That just leaves XO and Qwest in the cold. http://www.level3.com/press/7625.html Acquisition Expected to be Adjusted OIBDA Positive in 2007 and Cash Flow Positive in 2008 Purchase Price of Approximately $1.4 Billion in Aggregate Cash and Stock Acquisition Expected to Accelerate Growth of Level 3's Business Markets Group Under the terms of the agreement, Level 3 will pay $8.18 of cash plus 1.3411 shares of Level 3 common stock for each share of Broadwing common stock outstanding at closing. In total, Level 3 currently expects to pay approximately $744 million of cash and issue approximately 122 million shares. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA]CovadExpandsBroadband WirelessNetworkWithDataFloAcquisition
Tom DeReggi wrote: I believe in the next year there will be a hgih volume bid war for WISPs in major markets getting top dollar. The reason is that, the Hype of Wireless is more valuable to a large publically traded ISP, in stock holder perception, than the network and revenue that they are buying. The average consumer doesn't understand jack about what wireless's capabilty is, they just know Wireless is the next big thing, and the providers that own the major markets have the best chance to win in the long run. As much as perception drives Wall Street, customers and revenue still matter. With licensed spectrum it is easy to talk about future opportunity and sell based on that. With unlicensed spectrum you can't do that; you must sell on actual results. There won't be a bidding war for WISPs because there are hardly any worth fighting over. That's not to say that folks won't be bought, but I think people need to get their expectations more in line with where the market is. Unless your company has built sufficient barriers to entry then it is hard to demand top dollar. Without that then it becomes a simple build vs buy decision. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Are you making money?
exactly the mistake my company made. Shoulda, woulda, coulda leased... 'cept in NJ, it's $125 contract labor, and $244 for installation (199 install / 45 first month), oh and no free towers, they're all (16 of them) $500 / month / each at LEAST No free lunch. So to answer the previous question #3, no you will not be making tons of money - you will be eating your shirt :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are you making money? Hi, Although he has spent some time and efforts, many of his numbers are WAY off: $50 installs (contract labor) customers paying $360 for installation $40 per month ARPU (for a startup WISP is not realistic today with $15 DSL) Just taking the installation numbers away completely changes this sheet... we are doing $99 installs and include a free Linksys wireless firewall/router. So now instead of making $15 per install, he will be losing $246. So now after 2 years, the company is making $11,736 per month profit but still shows $42,000 in debt (from the first 2 years) and hasn't paid anything back to the investors, banks, etc. Now, if you use the same sheet, lease the CPE ($5/mo per customer) and still buy the Linksys router for $40, the company is making $18,800 per month profit and has $98,000 in cash after 2 years. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17086669 I have not got to the spreadsheet, but the post was well worth the 5 minute read, and I'm looking forward to getting some numbers down on the spreadsheet. I think this could help some of us. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA]CovadExpandsBroadband WirelessNetworkWithDataFloAcquisition
Unless your company has built sufficient barriers to entry then it is hard to demand top dollar. Without that then it becomes a simple build vs buy decision. I agree with that. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA]CovadExpandsBroadband WirelessNetworkWithDataFloAcquisition Tom DeReggi wrote: I believe in the next year there will be a hgih volume bid war for WISPs in major markets getting top dollar. The reason is that, the Hype of Wireless is more valuable to a large publically traded ISP, in stock holder perception, than the network and revenue that they are buying. The average consumer doesn't understand jack about what wireless's capabilty is, they just know Wireless is the next big thing, and the providers that own the major markets have the best chance to win in the long run. As much as perception drives Wall Street, customers and revenue still matter. With licensed spectrum it is easy to talk about future opportunity and sell based on that. With unlicensed spectrum you can't do that; you must sell on actual results. There won't be a bidding war for WISPs because there are hardly any worth fighting over. That's not to say that folks won't be bought, but I think people need to get their expectations more in line with where the market is. Unless your company has built sufficient barriers to entry then it is hard to demand top dollar. Without that then it becomes a simple build vs buy decision. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/478 - Release Date: 10/17/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Introduction
Thanks dude! :) Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Introduction welcome to the best list on the net Dennis! Good to have ya hear. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Introduction Hi all, I was told to hop on over to this WISP List also, if you monitor the MikroTik or WISP lists from part-15, then you may already know of me. I am Dennis Burgess, from 2K Wireless. We are located in Festus, MO, just south of St. Louis. We have been operating for almost 3 years now, still small and underdeveloped! I have a number of certifications and do work for a number of private companies including holding a full time job as Director of IT for a group of local dealerships in and around St. Louis.I am MT certified and do provide after hours MT consulting and TCP/IP network design. All of the relevant info is below! Hope to learn a lot more and give out some of what I have learned here on the WISPA list. Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Are you making money?
Awesome post Tom, to bad many folks won't get the meaning of it. It goes along with the old belief I bought it because it's a tax write off. In my book if you can't write it off dollar for dollar spent you just wasted money. If you only get a 30% write off then you just wasted 70% of the money you spent. Now if you needed the item anyway then that's OK, but how many folks will buy the new service truck because they need the write off...I just love that one. I'd rather pay the 30% tax and keep the other 70% in my pocket, but what do I know. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are you making money? The problem with Leasing, is that you ahve to keep your clients longer than your leases. Historically, WISPs make logrithmic growth with each year having more growth than the year before. Usually the profit from old business (subs with paid off leases), rarely covers costs of growth, as the growth in later years is so much grander. Sure leasing helps growth and makes the books look good. But what happens in your last year? The one where you potentially could loose all your subs? The year that you just had your largest growth, and largest amount of dollars on Leases for reoccuring liabilities. Will your business then last 3 more years to pay off those leases? The problem with Finance, is it gives people a fake sense of success, and while deferring payment, it allows upfront moneys to be spent more wastefully because it is there to spend. There is always a grand plan of how that money will be used to improve business, but do things always work the way they are planned, and do you ghet your money's worth? There is something to be said for the business man that believes in old fasion values of a dollar earned and a dollar that can be spent, apposed to spending tommorrows dollar today and deferring todays liabilties to tommorrow. It order not to loose your butt leasing, one must predict accurately the date of their end came, so they know when the leases have to be paid off. What if you aren't bought, as predicted at the end game? One of the things I've learned is that when you are eating fat (money available), people get lazy. When you are hungry and wondering how you are going to pay tommorrow's bill, all a sudden their is an urgency to succeed that not only is urgent but essential. Its amazing what a person can accomplish when they are backed against the wall and have no choice but to do it. Its amazing how much someone can save when they ahve a tight budget to conform to, and they know when the money is gone the money is gone. Wether it makes sense to lease is not the golden question. The golden question is, how will you spend the money that becomes available because you leased. That is what will seperate the winners from the loosers. One of the most basic concepts there is in accounting is, its much more beneficial to reduce your costs $100, than to make $100 more income, because the $100 income have additional costs that grow with it. I think leasing makes sense if you get good terms, and are short on cash flow, but if you are not frugal in spending along the way, one is just deffering their death by leasing. Whats important is that the money spent, has something tangible and of value (holds its value on a reoccuring basis). Things like high salaries that are spent and gone, or technology greater than one's need in a business with falling prices and rapid advancement, are monies spent that have little value after the fact. Disclaimer, this comment does not negate the importance to determine the amount of capitol (cash) that will be needed and securing it before progressing with a business plan. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Are you making money? exactly the mistake my company made. Shoulda, woulda, coulda leased... 'cept in NJ, it's $125 contract labor, and $244 for installation (199 install / 45 first month), oh and no free towers, they're all (16 of them) $500 / month / each at LEAST No free lunch. So to answer the previous question #3, no you will not be making tons of money - you will be eating your shirt :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are you making money? Hi, Although he has spent some time and efforts, many of his numbers are WAY off: $50 installs (contract labor) customers paying $360 for installation $40 per month ARPU (for a startup WISP is not realistic today with $15 DSL)
Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?
Tom, The idea is that you lease the CPE equipment. It costs you $5 per month per sub (using $149 CPE), and you are breaking even on the install. So from day one I am making money on the sub (and generating positive cash flow). I can then use that money to grow the business (more bandwidth, bigger routers, more towers, etc) and continue over and over and over. Also, because I can lease 250 CPE at a time, I am getting a better price. Let's run some numbers: Trango 2.4ghz CPE = $475 in single quantity 36 month lease on same CPE = $12/month = $432 total cost So, even though I am paying interest for 36 months, the actual cost of the radio is less, but I don't have to come up with money for each sub that I install. Instead I am able to run the business from day to day without having to get over the next hurdle. I can pay good salaries, have nice office space, etc. because the business runs cash flow positive from day one with EVERY customer. Plug the numbers into that spreadsheet that started this discussion and see which business model you would rather own in 2-3 years. There is nothing wrong with debt... you just have to manage it correctly. Each lease becomes an operating expense, just like bandwidth, tower rent, etc. The best part is in 3 years, you own the CPE. Even if only 80% of them are still operating, that's 80% new CPE you don't have to buy. ;) For what it's worth, the tax write-off thing always gets me too. People almost talk like it's free money or something, instead of the 70% expense it really is. :) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: The problem with Leasing, is that you ahve to keep your clients longer than your leases. Historically, WISPs make logrithmic growth with each year having more growth than the year before. Usually the profit from old business (subs with paid off leases), rarely covers costs of growth, as the growth in later years is so much grander. Sure leasing helps growth and makes the books look good. But what happens in your last year? The one where you potentially could loose all your subs? The year that you just had your largest growth, and largest amount of dollars on Leases for reoccuring liabilities. Will your business then last 3 more years to pay off those leases? The problem with Finance, is it gives people a fake sense of success, and while deferring payment, it allows upfront moneys to be spent more wastefully because it is there to spend. There is always a grand plan of how that money will be used to improve business, but do things always work the way they are planned, and do you ghet your money's worth? There is something to be said for the business man that believes in old fasion values of a dollar earned and a dollar that can be spent, apposed to spending tommorrows dollar today and deferring todays liabilties to tommorrow. It order not to loose your butt leasing, one must predict accurately the date of their end came, so they know when the leases have to be paid off. What if you aren't bought, as predicted at the end game? One of the things I've learned is that when you are eating fat (money available), people get lazy. When you are hungry and wondering how you are going to pay tommorrow's bill, all a sudden their is an urgency to succeed that not only is urgent but essential. Its amazing what a person can accomplish when they are backed against the wall and have no choice but to do it. Its amazing how much someone can save when they ahve a tight budget to conform to, and they know when the money is gone the money is gone. Wether it makes sense to lease is not the golden question. The golden question is, how will you spend the money that becomes available because you leased. That is what will seperate the winners from the loosers. One of the most basic concepts there is in accounting is, its much more beneficial to reduce your costs $100, than to make $100 more income, because the $100 income have additional costs that grow with it. I think leasing makes sense if you get good terms, and are short on cash flow, but if you are not frugal in spending along the way, one is just deffering their death by leasing. Whats important is that the money spent, has something tangible and of value (holds its value on a reoccuring basis). Things like high salaries that are spent and gone, or technology greater than one's need in a business with falling prices and rapid advancement, are monies spent that have little value after the fact. Disclaimer, this comment does not negate the importance to determine the amount of capitol (cash) that will be needed and securing it before progressing with a business plan. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Are you making money? exactly the mistake my
Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?
I believe you are applying a very simplistic view on a very complex subject. Leases are a financial tool and like any other tool must be used correctly in order to provide benefit. The CAPEX associated with wireless is a serious cash flow issue that operators must deal with. Leases provide a means of solving the cash flow issue, but don't address the actual capital needs of the business. Tom's post seems to make the assumption that the term of the lease is long term and that it is possible to lose customers prior to the end of the lease term. There are several problems with these assumptions. First, leases can be structured in many different ways including the length. On a cash basis we generally plan on a CAPEX ROI of 6 months for customers signing 36 month contracts. As a growing company even this kind of ROI would destroy our cash flow. By leasing the equipment on a term shorter than the contract e.g. 18 months we are able to be cash flow positive on the customer immediately even including the debt service on the lease. This leads to the next point, which is that the lease term is less than the customer's contract. This ensures that we won't lose the customer before the lease term ends. The other important thing to consider is that even if we did lose the customer prior to their contract ending we still have the equipment, which we can redeploy to another customer. Assuming a fixed amount of capital one can grow at a faster rate with leasing than without. However, that isn't the end of the story as growth can lower your capital requirements. This is because there are many cost thresholds in our industry that must be considered. For example, it is well understood that bandwidth is cheaper the more of it you commit to. Of course, it is foolish to commit to too much bandwidth simply to reduce the cost per meg only to pay in total beyond what you can justify. You can only justify more bandwidth by selling more bandwidth i.e. customer growth. Therefore, the simple act of growing can reduce your costs on a per customer basis. Unfortunately, that isn't the whole story on even this one small point because of the physical aspect of bandwidth, the circuit. Each circuit has a fixed cost and a fixed capacity regardless of the amount of bandwidth you commit to on it. Therefore, you must attempt to get the most efficient use of your circuit by maximizing its capacity. This means that you will need to buy a larger capacity circuit you can grow into, which means that every month you aren't selling customers hurts. The above can be shown with any number of overhead items, I just happened to use bandwidth. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: The problem with Leasing, is that you ahve to keep your clients longer than your leases. Historically, WISPs make logrithmic growth with each year having more growth than the year before. Usually the profit from old business (subs with paid off leases), rarely covers costs of growth, as the growth in later years is so much grander. Sure leasing helps growth and makes the books look good. But what happens in your last year? The one where you potentially could loose all your subs? The year that you just had your largest growth, and largest amount of dollars on Leases for reoccuring liabilities. Will your business then last 3 more years to pay off those leases? The problem with Finance, is it gives people a fake sense of success, and while deferring payment, it allows upfront moneys to be spent more wastefully because it is there to spend. There is always a grand plan of how that money will be used to improve business, but do things always work the way they are planned, and do you ghet your money's worth? There is something to be said for the business man that believes in old fasion values of a dollar earned and a dollar that can be spent, apposed to spending tommorrows dollar today and deferring todays liabilties to tommorrow. It order not to loose your butt leasing, one must predict accurately the date of their end came, so they know when the leases have to be paid off. What if you aren't bought, as predicted at the end game? One of the things I've learned is that when you are eating fat (money available), people get lazy. When you are hungry and wondering how you are going to pay tommorrow's bill, all a sudden their is an urgency to succeed that not only is urgent but essential. Its amazing what a person can accomplish when they are backed against the wall and have no choice but to do it. Its amazing how much someone can save when they ahve a tight budget to conform to, and they know when the money is gone the money is gone. Wether it makes sense to lease is not the golden question. The golden question is, how will you spend the money that becomes available because you leased. That is what will seperate the winners from the loosers. One of the most basic concepts there is in accounting is, its much more
Re: [WISPA] Are you making money?
We will lease (usually borrow from the bank but I've done both) hardware for my end. Never for the customer end though. Other than my line of credit that is. Has it hurt our growth? Sure. We were already deep in debt though. I already know what a loosing battle that can turn into and how fast it can get there. If you work really smart and have little or no bad luck, leasing can be a good thing. So can owning the cpe. What are you gonna do when it's time to forklift upgrade 500+ subs though? Or what are you gonna do with the guy that comes in and offers $20 service against your $50 service? Especially when that happens (as it most likely will) when you are just getting ready to put new hardware out there. You know, the faster cheaper stuff. In another year and a half almost everything we have will be paid for. And we'll have good loyal customers. And we'll be in a position to ward off all but the most idiotic competitor's price wars. Things are still more than tight here. We're still trying to kill off debt that predates the wireless business. But it's all coming along. We're able to cashflow larger and larger network upgrades. And we've been getting the cc cards paid down (oh so slowly though). Another 24 months and it'll be a bright new day here. With NO need to run out and borrow more money for the next upgrades! life is good Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are you making money? The problem with Leasing, is that you ahve to keep your clients longer than your leases. Historically, WISPs make logrithmic growth with each year having more growth than the year before. Usually the profit from old business (subs with paid off leases), rarely covers costs of growth, as the growth in later years is so much grander. Sure leasing helps growth and makes the books look good. But what happens in your last year? The one where you potentially could loose all your subs? The year that you just had your largest growth, and largest amount of dollars on Leases for reoccuring liabilities. Will your business then last 3 more years to pay off those leases? The problem with Finance, is it gives people a fake sense of success, and while deferring payment, it allows upfront moneys to be spent more wastefully because it is there to spend. There is always a grand plan of how that money will be used to improve business, but do things always work the way they are planned, and do you ghet your money's worth? There is something to be said for the business man that believes in old fasion values of a dollar earned and a dollar that can be spent, apposed to spending tommorrows dollar today and deferring todays liabilties to tommorrow. It order not to loose your butt leasing, one must predict accurately the date of their end came, so they know when the leases have to be paid off. What if you aren't bought, as predicted at the end game? One of the things I've learned is that when you are eating fat (money available), people get lazy. When you are hungry and wondering how you are going to pay tommorrow's bill, all a sudden their is an urgency to succeed that not only is urgent but essential. Its amazing what a person can accomplish when they are backed against the wall and have no choice but to do it. Its amazing how much someone can save when they ahve a tight budget to conform to, and they know when the money is gone the money is gone. Wether it makes sense to lease is not the golden question. The golden question is, how will you spend the money that becomes available because you leased. That is what will seperate the winners from the loosers. One of the most basic concepts there is in accounting is, its much more beneficial to reduce your costs $100, than to make $100 more income, because the $100 income have additional costs that grow with it. I think leasing makes sense if you get good terms, and are short on cash flow, but if you are not frugal in spending along the way, one is just deffering their death by leasing. Whats important is that the money spent, has something tangible and of value (holds its value on a reoccuring basis). Things like high salaries that are spent and gone, or technology greater than one's need in a business with falling prices and rapid advancement, are monies spent that have little value after the fact. Disclaimer, this comment does not negate the importance to determine the amount of capitol (cash) that will be needed and securing it before progressing with a business plan. Tom
[WISPA] Good Tower Climbers / Installers Needed
I have equipment that I need installed on about 20 towers throughout Central Michigan and Northeast Wisconsin. We have one tower company that we really, really like, but they are booked up solid for months (we've already waited a month in hopes something would open up, but no luck). Does anyone have recommendations? I have 6 new towers where 5.7 GHz backhauls and 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz APs need to be installed, and 14 towers needing augmenting, where new 900 MHz APs need to be installs. The 900 MHz antennas we are using are MTi Horizontally-polarized Omnis, which are pretty big (at least compared to anything we've used before). Ideally, a company that can fabricate mounts on-site (which our preferred company, St. Paul Tower, does) would be ideal, as we are installing on towers, as well as water towers, grain elevators, and smokestacks. All recommendations are very welcome. My contact info for any tower people on this list is mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and phone 989-837-3790 ext 151. My apologies if solicitations of this nature are inappropriate for this list. Thanks, Dave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam
Hi Marlon- We use ASSP. It works great, but it fails a bit at the stock spam that has been coming out lately. It is almost entirely a graphic with no readable text. I figure that the 300+ it kills from just my business and personal Email accounts is justification for deleting 1-2 graphical ones a day. How does postini filter the graphical spam? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam our postini is doing a pretty good job. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] lightning
Yep- We look at Hamfests for any inductor with a "big hole" and pass the Ethernet or COAX through with as many turns as we can cram in the hole. Ralph From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco WirelessSent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:42 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] lightning DigiKey lists a standard inductance for each core and the frequencies they filter. Its been awhile since I researched them, but my primary focus was the FM interference and my secondary was just to get as much inductance as possible for lightning suppression. - the more times you loop the cable through it, the greater the inductance. I go for as many loops as I can possibly get. A lot of times, I buy the inductor mostlybased an the physical size that will work for my application. I use them on just about everything, even my RF pig-tails (with no looping). Brad Hagstrom On 10/17/06, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you compute the total amount of inductance? Based on the length/properties of the Cat5 alone? Would you mind posting the formula or, better, a spreadsheet like that posted for solar? Best,-- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam
Just use spamAssassin with an OCR plugin it does wonders :) On 10/17/06, rwf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marlon- We use ASSP. It works great, but it fails a bit at the stock spam that has been coming out lately. It is almost entirely a graphic with no readable text. I figure that the 300+ it kills from just my business and personal Email accounts is justification for deleting 1-2 graphical ones a day. How does postini filter the graphical spam? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam our postini is doing a pretty good job. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trying to block Stock Spam
rwf wrote: How does postini filter the graphical spam? I can't speak for Postini, but Barracuda Networks' Spam Firewall (I hate that name) recently added OCR features. Basically, they read the graphics, which amuses me. It wouldn't surprise me if Postini were doing something similar. David Smith -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Tower Climbers / Installers Needed
Hey Dave, I don't know how much people know about what's goin on in JohnnyO's life these days, but he's completely switched himself around to tower crew mode. He's got all the gear, all the people, and all the time in the world to be doin cross-country trips to install stuff for WISPs, at a good price, and a good clip. As for manufacturing mounts on-site, I don't think there's any other way with Johnny. I'd hire him in a second to raise a tower of any height. I'd love to pitch in - even in the design, etc... I live in NJ, but could make my way to MI as I've been looking at movin out that way lately.I've got about 20 vertical miles on my legs, it seems :) R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Good Tower Climbers / Installers Needed I have equipment that I need installed on about 20 towers throughout Central Michigan and Northeast Wisconsin. We have one tower company that we really, really like, but they are booked up solid for months (we've already waited a month in hopes something would open up, but no luck). Does anyone have recommendations? I have 6 new towers where 5.7 GHz backhauls and 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz APs need to be installed, and 14 towers needing augmenting, where new 900 MHz APs need to be installs. The 900 MHz antennas we are using are MTi Horizontally-polarized Omnis, which are pretty big (at least compared to anything we've used before). Ideally, a company that can fabricate mounts on-site (which our preferred company, St. Paul Tower, does) would be ideal, as we are installing on towers, as well as water towers, grain elevators, and smokestacks. All recommendations are very welcome. My contact info for any tower people on this list is mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and phone 989-837-3790 ext 151. My apologies if solicitations of this nature are inappropriate for this list. Thanks, Dave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lightning
It's the simple method - but it works ! Brad H On 10/17/06, rwf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep- We look at Hamfests for any inductor with a big hole and pass the Ethernet or COAX through with as many turns as we can cram in the hole. Ralph From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jenco WirelessSent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:42 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] lightning DigiKey lists a standard inductance for each core and the frequencies they filter. Its been awhile since I researched them, but my primary focus was the FM interference and my secondary was just to get as much inductance as possible for lightning suppression. - the more times you loop the cable through it, the greater the inductance. I go for as many loops as I can possibly get. A lot of times, I buy the inductor mostlybased an the physical size that will work for my application. I use them on just about everything, even my RF pig-tails (with no looping). Brad Hagstrom On 10/17/06, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you compute the total amount of inductance? Based on the length/properties of the Cat5 alone? Would you mind posting the formula or, better, a spreadsheet like that posted for solar? Best,-- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Tower Climbers / Installers Needed
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Rick Smith wrote: As for manufacturing mounts on-site, I don't think there's any other way with Johnny. I'd hire him in a second to raise a tower of any height. JohnnyO is likely to be good at creating custom solutions. :-) I heard he's doing a LOT of tower work lately. He called me (from New Mexico) a couple weeks ago to look in on his network. My understanding is that he is dropping AND raising towers. Likely that he has a good bit of tower on the ground, too. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
