Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Tim, I agree, there is risk of not getting covered, if full disclosure is not given. That is something that the WISP should consider in advance. (But doesn't mean it won't be covered, as they'd need to prove that having the bucket was something both parties typical would think relevant to disclose. The insurance company wrote the contract and it would be their responsibility to bring up the things that should or should not be disclosed. I'd not suggest a WISP lie, if there was a question or text referencing wether there was or wasn't a bucket, as that would guarantee not getting covered.) But I think it is also relavent, what a WISPs intent is for use of the truck and bucket. Someone that wants a bucket truck, but only plans to use it once a month for the tough job, should not have to pay the same high rate, as say a Lineman that may use the bucket all day / every day around high voltage lines. Very few insurance companies have provisions for that, as they do not have a way to control what the usage will actually end up being. This means a WISP then needs to make cost versus risk assesments, on what they want to do. I'd also argue, that it would be rare for me to ever justify making an insurance claim, based on the risk of loosing the insurance or no longer being able to afford it, after making the claime. (except for extreme cases like someone falling and breaking their neck). If the owner or a supervisor are the only ones that will be using the bucket, more care can be taken and less risk taken, than if the intent is for the truck to be used by all/any installers frequently. Some people buy insurance for compliance to do business, not necessarilly for the coverage itself. Just like every other type of insurance (health, life, business, etc), one must waiver wether they really need insurance, or can afford to pay to releive the risk or not. Quite honestly, I'd rather take a chance of not getting covered in a bucket, and minimize the risk of someone getting injured because they have the bucket, than have the installer taking risks on a dangerous ladder all day long. I'm not downplaying the risk involved for a bucket truck, I'm jsut saying that Ladders are dangerous to, expecially for single man crew. I know about more personal injury suits in the trades, via falling off ladders, than any other cause. Its not that I don't believe in insurance, or in doing it legitimately. Its just that if a WISP is not careful, there insurance policy costs can put them out of business, just having an uninsured injury. For example, many amusement companies go out of business because they can't afford the insurance and can't jsutify takingthe risk without it. I'd hate to see the same thing destroy wireless companies. I prefer to handle the issue from the other side... Inforce strong safety policies and safety awareness education. The safety training is much less expensive than the insurance and paying claims. Not that that negates the need for insurance, but it will keep the rates down, if WISPs as an industry don't put themselves in the position to be claim happy. For the record, I personally do not have a bucket truck yet. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tim Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom DeReggi wrote: If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket! Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband As an insurance agent for the last 16 years in the state of PA(Besides running a WISP too for the last 5 years), I can tell You that there are some negatives to just Not mentioning the fact that it has a bucket on it. The first one is that when You sign the insurance application(This info. only applies to the state of PA where I am licensed, keep in mind the every state has different insurance laws, but almost ALL of them adopted the laws from the state of NY, as they were one of the first to actually clamp down and adopt them, and this is what PA uses), there is a paragraph that says all of the information You have submitted to the insurance CO is correct and You then sign underneath it. It is a great possibility that by omitting the fact that Your van had a bucket on it, the CO could deny Your claim based on the fact that You chose to omit the information about the bucket on purpose, as You knew this would stop You from securing coverage?. While I do understand that securing the proper insurance is becoming expensive, maybe even out of hand?, I do not want to see You or any other small CO lose everything buy trying to cut corners and get around something by being dishonest?. Almost all insurance have something called Good faith
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Borders on Insurance fraud... and if you have to activate the insurance, they don't have to pay... Tom DeReggi wrote: If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket! Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
In order for us to keep ahead of the LECs and cable companies we need better products not cheaper ones. Well said, but can't we have our cake and eat it to? How about Better radios, Cheaper :-) High priced vendors don;t have high prices because their costs are higher. They have higher prices because they feel the market will pay higher prices based on the benefit of the product. When it becomes beautiful for buyers is when their is enough competition and varietty of high quality gear, that it starts getting sold based on the cost to produce instead. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Hello Tom, Well, that's the point we're trying to make here as to why not all radios are equal. Achieving advertised payloads 24x7 and not up to or best effort regardless of the environment (for the most part) is where the line is drawn. Good example is a TeraBridge 5x45 PtP radio set that costs between $8k - $15k depending on antennas, volume pricing etc. This is a radio that produces 45Mbps FDX period. No auto-rating, no ARQ, no ifs, no ands or buts. That's 90Mbps aggregate using only two 16Mhz wide channels. This radio was originally designed and built probably long before Trango even existed and has changed brand names no less than four times during its life. As the saying goes; They just don't make 'em like that anymore! lol Of course that doesn't mean the radio is immune to interference, but as long as you have enough gain over and above the noise floor they produce 45Mbps FDX. We have several pairs running in arguably one of the noisiest environments in the nation. In two separate cases we tried the Atlas at either side of a TeraBridge and the Atlas just couldn't cut the mustard. The Atlas is truly a toy in comparison to the TeraBridge. Back to the point of this thread...the Exalt radios look promising. I hope we see more products like the TeraBridge and Exalt radios. In order for us to keep ahead of the LECs and cable companies we need better products not cheaper ones. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Brad, I recognize your points and don't deny them. But I get what I get where I get it. What I've been finding is that similar expereince is received with other products.(Meaning they don't always get their speed either). Most of my Atlas Links (above 10 miles) are not running at top modulation, they usually operating optimally (no packet loss and low latency) at the 36mbps modulation level, which pushes real data of significantly less, I forget the exact speeds with IPerf, but it was real close to 30 mbps. I don't have a single Atlas running slower than that in service. But on shorter links, we've gotten full modulation and full speed (45mbps) out of the Atlas. I believe I did post some speed results on the list over the summer. But you are right you can't get it in a very noisy environment, if you have to get the TX and RX power to high. But its not really a distance limit, its a delicate balancing act to get everything just right. (RX signal not to high, TX power not to high, RSSI 20db above noise floor ). Its all controlled by using the right antenna. The Atlas also makes a GREAT 5.3-54 backhaul, for links under 5-7 miles. When it operates at the low power, it runs much cleaner. PS. recognize that my first post, I did not catch that the Exalts were FDX. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios Hello Tom, Yes auto-rate was off and ARQ was on. We tried every combination possible at the direction of Trango. While I agree my experiences with Atlas may be on the worse side of the scale I know many operators that have had the same poor experiences with Atlas as we have. I would venture to guess you are one of very few that has seen 45Mbps out of an Atlas. Just to clarify; we are talking about payload, right? Yes, antenna upgrades are common place with us. Gabriel, RadioWaves and MTi are our antennas of choice. You should know that more than anyone as I was one if not the biggest proponent of better antennas as it relates to Trango! 45Mbps HDX out of an Atlas, eh? Sure would like to see some proof of that...screenshot perhaps? Certainly you're not going to claim an Atlas can produce 45Mbps FDX as well are you? After all, FDX is what this topic is all about. Best, Brad -Original
Re: [WISPA] 750feet FSO
No, but I will, first thing today ... I was actually looking for that link since I remember a few posts related to cablefreesolutions several months ago. Thanks a lot. Mario Brad Belton wrote: Have you spoken with Stephen Patrick at www.cablefreesolutions.com yet? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 750feet FSO Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at ~750feet? A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably. Thanks. Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] star os/sr2----mikrotik/cm9
Differrance between a SR2 and CM9. the CM9 is better at receiving, more sensitive I belive, not to mention, its not yelling all the time. CM9s are a staple, when you don't have trees. Try dropping the power output on your SR2, maybe you can find a happy medium. Have you tried replacing the SR2, we had just replaced two, we were getting -80s on a small backhaul, MT to MT, and after we swapped the radio, we were back at -60 .. Why, got me! Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] star os/sr2mikrotik/cm9 When I use sr2 my ack timing is all over the place, like 300 and the links are crap. I drop in a cm9 and all the ack's fall to 30's where they should be. This is all on MT. Brian Blair Davis wrote: The cm9 is rated for 17db The sr2 is rated for about 26db we are happy with the sr2, sr5 and sr9. all deployed and work well Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I replaced a star os/sr2 with a mikrotik/cm9 setup on an omni. I thought it would help my noise issues to get rid of the amped up sr2. It may have helped a little but now I have signal that I think it quite a bit less at the clients. What level of power is the cm9 at by default in a mikrotik and if I switch it to manual what could I push it to? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
A guy that was helping me out crashed my install truck a month or two ago. He didn't see a stop sign. He t-boned an old couple in their mid-late 70s. The woman more than had enough injuries to qualify for the 100K personal liability/personal disability (PL/PD) I had on the plan. But wait..My truck didn't have commercial insurance. It wasn't even in my name or company name, but I owned the truck. Anyway, the way my lawyer explains it, that 100K coverage it almost automatic for when someone gets hurt. (they also said that within hours after the accident report was filed the insurance lawyers would be all over this couple offering to take the case) Anyway, all the couple has to do is ask (sue) for the 100K and it is theirs. We'll see how it plays out. I hope my coverage wouldn't be denied if they decide to walk to the lotto store and cash in the winning ticket (as my lawyer put it). I have since switched to my own commercial policy, but there is one thing that really ticks me off. the commercial policy is CHEAPER! That is insane. I pay every 6 months. It was like $400 and now it's $350, even though I got a speeding ticket 2 months ago. He says he clocked me at 35 in a 25, but I was in manual 3rd gear and you can feel those RPMs. I looked down and saw 28. I was pissed I went right home stuck the gps on the roof and drove. I had 9 satellites and my speedo was dead nutz. Anyway, because the wreck was my truck I got an at fault on my record, but so did my helper along with a failure to stop and the automatic 3 points for causing a wreck. I went from a clean record single driver on regular insurance to a commercial policy with 2 drivers and a combination of 2 tickets, 2 at faults, and 7 points...and I saved $50. WHERE YOU AT NOW GECKO! The moral of the story is if you are not on commercial insurance you need to go get yourself a few tickets and switch. You will be better protected and have cheaper rates. Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Tim, I agree, there is risk of not getting covered, if full disclosure is not given. That is something that the WISP should consider in advance. (But doesn't mean it won't be covered, as they'd need to prove that having the bucket was something both parties typical would think relevant to disclose. The insurance company wrote the contract and it would be their responsibility to bring up the things that should or should not be disclosed. I'd not suggest a WISP lie, if there was a question or text referencing wether there was or wasn't a bucket, as that would guarantee not getting covered.) But I think it is also relavent, what a WISPs intent is for use of the truck and bucket. Someone that wants a bucket truck, but only plans to use it once a month for the tough job, should not have to pay the same high rate, as say a Lineman that may use the bucket all day / every day around high voltage lines. Very few insurance companies have provisions for that, as they do not have a way to control what the usage will actually end up being. This means a WISP then needs to make cost versus risk assesments, on what they want to do. I'd also argue, that it would be rare for me to ever justify making an insurance claim, based on the risk of loosing the insurance or no longer being able to afford it, after making the claime. (except for extreme cases like someone falling and breaking their neck). If the owner or a supervisor are the only ones that will be using the bucket, more care can be taken and less risk taken, than if the intent is for the truck to be used by all/any installers frequently. Some people buy insurance for compliance to do business, not necessarilly for the coverage itself. Just like every other type of insurance (health, life, business, etc), one must waiver wether they really need insurance, or can afford to pay to releive the risk or not. Quite honestly, I'd rather take a chance of not getting covered in a bucket, and minimize the risk of someone getting injured because they have the bucket, than have the installer taking risks on a dangerous ladder all day long. I'm not downplaying the risk involved for a bucket truck, I'm jsut saying that Ladders are dangerous to, expecially for single man crew. I know about more personal injury suits in the trades, via falling off ladders, than any other cause. Its not that I don't believe in insurance, or in doing it legitimately. Its just that if a WISP is not careful, there insurance policy costs can put them out of business, just having an uninsured injury. For example, many amusement companies go out of business because they can't afford the insurance and can't jsutify takingthe risk without it. I'd hate to see the same thing destroy wireless companies. I prefer to handle the issue from the other side... Inforce strong safety policies and safety awareness education. The safety training is much less expensive than the
Re: [WISPA] 750feet FSO
Sure. It is Peter Schoon at systemsupportsolutions.com based in Minnesota. al Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 750feet FSO This is a neutral place so feel free to share the guy you know so we all know who it is. If you have a vested interest then just say so and we will all pummel you for being a spammer! :-) jk Please do share who you know that can help. Thanks, Scriv Ken Chipps wrote: FSO is rock solid up to 500 meters or so, and very reliable in most cases up to a kilometer. If you need a vendor to help you with this, let me know. I know an excellent, very experienced person in this business. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 750feet FSO Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at ~750feet? A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably. Thanks. Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. And Worker's Comp...
How are you handling worker's comp for the people authorized to use the truck? Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cw Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. You might have your agent try Progressive. Ours is listed as a ladder/bucket truck and they never said that was a problem. It's $2200/yr with collision and a million liability. Seems expensive to me but Florida insurance rates are just that way. - cw Dylan Bouterse wrote: I'd like to hear (on or off list) how other ISPs are handling the insurance demands of owning/operating a lift or bucket truck. Our insurance company has refused to insure a bucket truck or lift because of the operating height above ground level. How are other companies getting insured or are you outsourcing jobs that require lift work? Dylan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Old News -- but can someone patent a mesh network
http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/view_press_release.php?rID=9156 Their patent reads as follows US Patent No 6,249,516 B1 WIRELESS NETWORK GATEAWY AND METHOD FOR PROVIDING SAME A wireless network system includes a server having a server controller and a server radio modem, and a number of clients each including a client controller and a client radio modem. The server controller implements a server process that includes the receipt and the transmission of data packets via the radio modem. The client controllers of each of the clients implements a client process that includes the receipt and transmission of data packets via the client radio modem. The client process of each of the clients intiates, selects, and maintains a radio transmission path to the server that is either a direct path to the server, or is an indirect path or link to the server through at least one of the remainder of the clients. A method for providing wireless network communication includes providing a server imeplementing a server process including receiving data packets via a radio modem, sending data packets via the server radio modem, communicating with the network, and performing housekeeping functions, and further includes providing a number of clients, each implementing a client process sending and receiving data packets via a client radio modem, maintaining a send/receive data buffer, and selecting a radio transmission path to the server. The radio transmission path or link is either a direct path to the server, or an indirect path to the server through at least one of the remainder of the clients. The process preferably optimizes the link to minimize the number of hops to the server. I'm not a lawyer, but this seems a bit ridiculous to me... Thoughts? -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I have out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and a 19 TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get 13 hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My goal is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a sensible price. One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to simply take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of the generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY 1000w generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS is not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance And Worker's Comp...
I would suggest hiring through an ASO or PEO organization. These staff companies provide payroll, benefits and insurance. Construction companies use them. Just a thought. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. MarketingIDEAguy.com (813) (63-5884 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Tom, I do share some of same views that You have. I just thought it would be a good idea to present the pros and cons of omitting information. There are 2 types of insurance customers it seems?. The first one is like Yourself. You buy the insurance because You have to, and the thought of using it doesn't really cross Your mind for all the reasons You mentioned below. If it were possible, I am sure that insurance CO's would love to find a way to discern the quality customers from the irresponsible ones, and charge lower rates based on this fact, and the fact that the bucket is only used once a month?. That sad part is there is no real way to do this, as insurance is based on the law of large #'s, and in order for it to work, everyone must be lumped together in one big pool(for lack of other words?). Your customer profile is fairly common though. I respect the fact that when the truck is in the field, only responsible operators like Yourself will be operating the bucket, being extra cautious as to whats going on around You and whats happening when the boom is moving etc. This is the way it should be at all times. Now lets move on to the second type of customer(The most uncommon, believe it or not?). This person usually does everything they can to cut corners, not only with work ethics and install qualities but also with their level of responsibilties in the day to day operation of their business. This customer will hire the cheapest employee that will work for them, skimp on safety and vehicle maintainence, owe $$ to most of the vendors he or she does business with and they will usually try and call their employees Sub-contractors, trying to avoid paying taxes and workmans compensation to make more $$(This is really an entirely different topic, but I am just using this as an example?). This risk taking carries over to things such as the safe use of a bucket truck. If You remember, I mentioned that the people that work for this person are really only there because they can not find a job anywhere else, and our business owner in question hires them because it is cheap labor. The day comes when the bucket truck is needed for an install, and our employee gets behind the wheel to do the job(Keep in mind that our employee was up half the night boozing with his/her friends, and just found it their spouse is messing with the neighbor). When at the job site, this employee will not have very good safety principles, and will do something really dumb like tear the service head for the electric off the wall of the house and tear down the cable CO's fiber line, along with the local Telco's phone systems. The reason I am mentioning all this is because for the most part, 10% of all insurance customers file 90% of the claims for reasons mentioned above. This same customer will also use their insurance policy as a maintainence contract, and try to get the insurance CO to pay for things that You or I would simply say, OK, this happened, but I will just fix it myself, as it was my fault in the first place. I dropped a 4ft piece of pipe off of the roof last year and it hit the only car parked on the entire street. It was an older car that already had 4000 dents and peeling paint, but the damage to the fender was $430. I just paid it, because it was stupidity in the first place, and I didn't want my rates to go up?. Now, the other side of this: We have an incidence where an individual needed new tires for inspection, so using their really smart brain, they drove it home from the mechanic that failed it, and slashed all the tires themselves. The insurance CO only paid the prorated amount, as the tires were worn out in the first place, so this enterprising individual got pissed, and went and got a set of tires(That didn't match) from the local junk yard that had been slashed in a previous crime, had them mounted on the rims for the van, and then tried to claim a 2nd time that his tires had been vandalized again. I guess You all figured out that this moron is now in jail for insurance fraud?(For every one that is caught, 10 get away with it) The reason I am mentioning all of this is that I am trying to show all of You why and how Your insurance rates have been steadily rising over the last few years. The bad thing is that even though I am an agent, I still pay the same rates that everyone else pays. I also do not have a bucket truck, as I find them useless for over 99% of all the installs I do(I am sure there are some of us who would be lost without one?), and I can not justify the costs for a device that will sit around most of the time. Keep in mind that no matter who operates that bucket truck, and how careful they are, it only takes a split second for something bad to happen, and if that claim is not insured (Or the CO denys it) and it is a large loss, The person without the needed coverage will be the one getting screwed. It really could mean the difference
Re: [WISPA] Old News -- but can someone patent a mesh network
The patent you cite was filed Jan 27, 2000. In general, to challenge a patent you'd have to find publicly available description (publication), prior patent, or public offer of the technology for sale pre-dating the patent's filing date. The patent office has already searched prior patents and found none prior to Jan 27 2000.If you can, there's some attorney's that'd very much like to know what you know. But just being familiar with Mesh for the last-almost-7-years doesn't count. Not knowing that some technology may be subject to Intellectual Property Right does not make it free. The most well known case of this is GIF image encoding. This was used freely on the web, literally for years, before the IPR holder chose to begin asserting their claim (it was apparently years before the IPR holder even knew that they actually held IPR!! ... typical big company syndrome IIRC). Rich - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] Old News -- but can someone patent a mesh network http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/view_press_release.php?rID=9156 Their patent reads as follows US Patent No 6,249,516 B1 WIRELESS NETWORK GATEAWY AND METHOD FOR PROVIDING SAME A wireless network system includes a server having a server controller and a server radio modem, and a number of clients each including a client controller and a client radio modem. The server controller implements a server process that includes the receipt and the transmission of data packets via the radio modem. The client controllers of each of the clients implements a client process that includes the receipt and transmission of data packets via the client radio modem. The client process of each of the clients intiates, selects, and maintains a radio transmission path to the server that is either a direct path to the server, or is an indirect path or link to the server through at least one of the remainder of the clients. A method for providing wireless network communication includes providing a server imeplementing a server process including receiving data packets via a radio modem, sending data packets via the server radio modem, communicating with the network, and performing housekeeping functions, and further includes providing a number of clients, each implementing a client process sending and receiving data packets via a client radio modem, maintaining a send/receive data buffer, and selecting a radio transmission path to the server. The radio transmission path or link is either a direct path to the server, or an indirect path to the server through at least one of the remainder of the clients. The process preferably optimizes the link to minimize the number of hops to the server. I'm not a lawyer, but this seems a bit ridiculous to me... Thoughts? -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9
Has anyone used the SR9's in a RB112? They are a little bigger so will they physically fit? How do you like them? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????
So is it safe to say that one could get one of those $9k Dragon Wave links licensed and ready to go for $12.5 - $15k? It really depends on dish size and licensing situation For example, licensing for a government entity (county, school, etc) is on a different schedule (costs about $1k) vs. licensing for a common carrier (WISP, Telco, etc) Also, w/ multiple links, things can change It gets complicated, but I can explain further if you want -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] wifi with sync
Just got a confirmation from Jeff Beasley @ Wireless Interactive, that the Apollo series of wifi radios support sync via a 3 cable serial interface... Interesting... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9
Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Has anyone used the SR9's in a RB112? They are a little bigger so will they physically fit? How do you like them? We're using them and they seem to work ok. Having the right antenna is a key too. leon Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9
What antenna are you using? Anyone used the 900MHz Rootenna? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9 Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Has anyone used the SR9's in a RB112? They are a little bigger so will they physically fit? How do you like them? We're using them and they seem to work ok. Having the right antenna is a key too. leon Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Shopping for the 18-19 dbi rootenna
I need dependable suppliers of Rotennas that I can get every week, we order about 40-50 a month our average price paid is $40 and the best ones for us are where they have a cat 5 connector and pre-designed for the entire Engenius CB3 bridges with case not removed. We buy them now but the supplier is not dependable on a weekly basis. Thank you, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ATT Muni Wireless
http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/11/att-ma-hypocrisy.html -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9
We have some pac antennas and another one, ca'nt think of what they were, we have not deployed 900mhz rootennas. Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9 What antenna are you using? Anyone used the 900MHz Rootenna? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9 Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Has anyone used the SR9's in a RB112? They are a little bigger so will they physically fit? How do you like them? We're using them and they seem to work ok. Having the right antenna is a key too. leon Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
When you put it that way... It does bring a new perpective to think about. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tim Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom, I do share some of same views that You have. I just thought it would be a good idea to present the pros and cons of omitting information. There are 2 types of insurance customers it seems?. The first one is like Yourself. You buy the insurance because You have to, and the thought of using it doesn't really cross Your mind for all the reasons You mentioned below. If it were possible, I am sure that insurance CO's would love to find a way to discern the quality customers from the irresponsible ones, and charge lower rates based on this fact, and the fact that the bucket is only used once a month?. That sad part is there is no real way to do this, as insurance is based on the law of large #'s, and in order for it to work, everyone must be lumped together in one big pool(for lack of other words?). Your customer profile is fairly common though. I respect the fact that when the truck is in the field, only responsible operators like Yourself will be operating the bucket, being extra cautious as to whats going on around You and whats happening when the boom is moving etc. This is the way it should be at all times. Now lets move on to the second type of customer(The most uncommon, believe it or not?). This person usually does everything they can to cut corners, not only with work ethics and install qualities but also with their level of responsibilties in the day to day operation of their business. This customer will hire the cheapest employee that will work for them, skimp on safety and vehicle maintainence, owe $$ to most of the vendors he or she does business with and they will usually try and call their employees Sub-contractors, trying to avoid paying taxes and workmans compensation to make more $$(This is really an entirely different topic, but I am just using this as an example?). This risk taking carries over to things such as the safe use of a bucket truck. If You remember, I mentioned that the people that work for this person are really only there because they can not find a job anywhere else, and our business owner in question hires them because it is cheap labor. The day comes when the bucket truck is needed for an install, and our employee gets behind the wheel to do the job(Keep in mind that our employee was up half the night boozing with his/her friends, and just found it their spouse is messing with the neighbor). When at the job site, this employee will not have very good safety principles, and will do something really dumb like tear the service head for the electric off the wall of the house and tear down the cable CO's fiber line, along with the local Telco's phone systems. The reason I am mentioning all this is because for the most part, 10% of all insurance customers file 90% of the claims for reasons mentioned above. This same customer will also use their insurance policy as a maintainence contract, and try to get the insurance CO to pay for things that You or I would simply say, OK, this happened, but I will just fix it myself, as it was my fault in the first place. I dropped a 4ft piece of pipe off of the roof last year and it hit the only car parked on the entire street. It was an older car that already had 4000 dents and peeling paint, but the damage to the fender was $430. I just paid it, because it was stupidity in the first place, and I didn't want my rates to go up?. Now, the other side of this: We have an incidence where an individual needed new tires for inspection, so using their really smart brain, they drove it home from the mechanic that failed it, and slashed all the tires themselves. The insurance CO only paid the prorated amount, as the tires were worn out in the first place, so this enterprising individual got pissed, and went and got a set of tires(That didn't match) from the local junk yard that had been slashed in a previous crime, had them mounted on the rims for the van, and then tried to claim a 2nd time that his tires had been vandalized again. I guess You all figured out that this moron is now in jail for insurance fraud?(For every one that is caught, 10 get away with it) The reason I am mentioning all of this is that I am trying to show all of You why and how Your insurance rates have been steadily rising over the last few years. The bad thing is that even though I am an agent, I still pay the same rates that everyone else pays. I also do not have a bucket truck, as I find them useless for over 99% of all the installs I do(I am sure there are some of us who would be lost without one?), and I can not justify
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Hi, There are several other factors to consider here insurance on the vehicle itself is to cover if you damage someone else's property (vehicle) by getting into an accident on the road. You may also have full-coverage insurance to pay to fix the bucket truck itself. However, the other issue is general liability insurance... if you have someone in the bucket and they go thru someone's roof because they aren't paying attention, wouldn't that be covered by your general liability policy, rather than the auto insurance policy? Travis Microserv P.S. In almost 10 years in the wireless business, and well over 1,000,000 miles logged on over 20 wireless vehicles during that time (including several bucket trucks), we have never had an insurance claim... yet my rates continue to go up every year... :( Tom DeReggi wrote: When you put it that way... It does bring a new perpective to think about. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tim Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom, I do share some of same views that You have. I just thought it would be a good idea to present the pros and cons of omitting information. There are 2 types of insurance customers it seems?. The first one is like Yourself. You buy the insurance because You have to, and the thought of using it doesn't really cross Your mind for all the reasons You mentioned below. If it were possible, I am sure that insurance CO's would love to find a way to discern the quality customers from the irresponsible ones, and charge lower rates based on this fact, and the fact that the bucket is only used once a month?. That sad part is there is no real way to do this, as insurance is based on the law of large #'s, and in order for it to work, everyone must be lumped together in one big pool(for lack of other words?). Your customer profile is fairly common though. I respect the fact that when the truck is in the field, only responsible operators like Yourself will be operating the bucket, being extra cautious as to whats going on around You and whats happening when the boom is moving etc. This is the way it should be at all times. Now lets move on to the second type of customer(The most uncommon, believe it or not?). This person usually does everything they can to cut corners, not only with work ethics and install qualities but also with their level of responsibilties in the day to day operation of their business. This customer will hire the cheapest employee that will work for them, skimp on safety and vehicle maintainence, owe $$ to most of the vendors he or she does business with and they will usually try and call their employees Sub-contractors, trying to avoid paying taxes and workmans compensation to make more $$(This is really an entirely different topic, but I am just using this as an example?). This risk taking carries over to things such as the safe use of a bucket truck. If You remember, I mentioned that the people that work for this person are really only there because they can not find a job anywhere else, and our business owner in question hires them because it is cheap labor. The day comes when the bucket truck is needed for an install, and our employee gets behind the wheel to do the job(Keep in mind that our employee was up half the night boozing with his/her friends, and just found it their spouse is messing with the neighbor). When at the job site, this employee will not have very good safety principles, and will do something really dumb like tear the service head for the electric off the wall of the house and tear down the cable CO's fiber line, along with the local Telco's phone systems. The reason I am mentioning all this is because for the most part, 10% of all insurance customers file 90% of the claims for reasons mentioned above. This same customer will also use their insurance policy as a maintainence contract, and try to get the insurance CO to pay for things that You or I would simply say, OK, this happened, but I will just fix it myself, as it was my fault in the first place. I dropped a 4ft piece of pipe off of the roof last year and it hit the only car parked on the entire street. It was an older car that already had 4000 dents and peeling paint, but the damage to the fender was $430. I just paid it, because it was stupidity in the first place, and I didn't want my rates to go up?. Now, the other side of this: We have an incidence where an individual needed new tires for inspection, so using their really smart brain, they drove it home from the mechanic that failed it, and slashed all the tires themselves. The insurance CO only paid the prorated amount, as the tires were worn out in the first place, so this enterprising
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Travis brings up a good point I think. When I purchased insurance on my bucket truck, I specifically asked the agent about possible problems with it being a bucket truck, and he assured me that as far as the automotive liability insurance was concerned, the bucket had no effect, as any mis-haps involving the use of the bucket itself would not fall under automotive insurance policies. It would effect comprehensive insurance as the value of the truck would be increased, but my truck is old enough I just took liability on it. I too think issues with the use of the bucket would more likely be covered under my general liability policy, unless it was a case of employee injury (falling out of the bucket) which would fall under workman's comp. Meanwhile, I use the truck because it is so much safer for me (and any employee's I might hire) than working from a ladder. The holder of my general business liability may well disclaim any responsibility because they think it should be the automotive insurer's. :) I hope I never have to find out. John Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, There are several other factors to consider here insurance on the vehicle itself is to cover if you damage someone else's property (vehicle) by getting into an accident on the road. You may also have full-coverage insurance to pay to fix the bucket truck itself. However, the other issue is general liability insurance... if you have someone in the bucket and they go thru someone's roof because they aren't paying attention, wouldn't that be covered by your general liability policy, rather than the auto insurance policy? Travis Microserv P.S. In almost 10 years in the wireless business, and well over 1,000,000 miles logged on over 20 wireless vehicles during that time (including several bucket trucks), we have never had an insurance claim... yet my rates continue to go up every year... :( Tom DeReggi wrote: When you put it that way... It does bring a new perpective to think about. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tim Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom, I do share some of same views that You have. I just thought it would be a good idea to present the pros and cons of omitting information. There are 2 types of insurance customers it seems?. The first one is like Yourself. You buy the insurance because You have to, and the thought of using it doesn't really cross Your mind for all the reasons You mentioned below. If it were possible, I am sure that insurance CO's would love to find a way to discern the quality customers from the irresponsible ones, and charge lower rates based on this fact, and the fact that the bucket is only used once a month?. That sad part is there is no real way to do this, as insurance is based on the law of large #'s, and in order for it to work, everyone must be lumped together in one big pool(for lack of other words?). Your customer profile is fairly common though. I respect the fact that when the truck is in the field, only responsible operators like Yourself will be operating the bucket, being extra cautious as to whats going on around You and whats happening when the boom is moving etc. This is the way it should be at all times. Now lets move on to the second type of customer(The most uncommon, believe it or not?). This person usually does everything they can to cut corners, not only with work ethics and install qualities but also with their level of responsibilties in the day to day operation of their business. This customer will hire the cheapest employee that will work for them, skimp on safety and vehicle maintainence, owe $$ to most of the vendors he or she does business with and they will usually try and call their employees Sub-contractors, trying to avoid paying taxes and workmans compensation to make more $$(This is really an entirely different topic, but I am just using this as an example?). This risk taking carries over to things such as the safe use of a bucket truck. If You remember, I mentioned that the people that work for this person are really only there because they can not find a job anywhere else, and our business owner in question hires them because it is cheap labor. The day comes when the bucket truck is needed for an install, and our employee gets behind the wheel to do the job(Keep in mind that our employee was up half the night boozing with his/her friends, and just found it their spouse is messing with the neighbor). When at the job site, this employee will not have very good safety principles, and will do something really dumb like tear the service head for the electric off the wall of the house and tear down the cable CO's fiber line, along with the local Telco's phone
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
I disagree with that. Something isn't fraud, if no concious effort was made to hide something or deceive someone. Not being asked, is not being the same thing as hiding something. If you installed a new stereo system in your vehichle or a new ladder rack, would you call your insurance company and say, PLEASE RAISE MY RATES I JUST ADDED SOME MORE EXPENSIVE ACCESSORIES TO MY VEHICHLE. No of course not, and not doing that does not exclude coverage for those items added that are newly attached to the vehichle. If you ask to have a VAN covered, you are covering the VAN. If you didn't ask to have a bucket covered you aren't covering the bucket. There is no fraud because there was never an agreement or intent from either party to cover the bucket. Their was a mutual agreement to jsut cover the VAN. Therefore if the VAN was in a driving colission non-related to the bucket, the fact that a bucket was on it is irrelevent. Plus, the insurance company has an obligation to protect the other party that was hit. If not, uninsured motorists kicks in. The uninsured motorists covering that will then legally fight your insurance company to make them pay it instead, and only cover it themselves if lost battle. I'd never advise someone to lie on an insurance application. If you are asked if it has a bucket or accessories of releveance, then it should be disclosed. Many agents don't ask, and not even sure all applications have a check box for a bucket on a VAN. I know when I ask a bank to finance a VAN with a Bucket, they only appraise the vehichle as a VAN because Bucket isn't an accessory listed on their accessories to include on the VAN for acessing the value. One of the reasons I don;t have a VAN, because I can only get financing on Half the cost I'd pay for the VAN, and Blue book only considers the VAN itself. When a CLAIM is made to the insurance company, asking to cover the value of the VAN, they will go to the Blue Book and use it to define the VAN. Do you think the insurance comapny will add on the value of the Bucket? No way. You can use the insurance company's own standard policy of how they assess the value of the VAN when it would be covered, as the method to define what the VAN is. What makes a Bank's definition of what a VAN is any different than what an insurance company defines a VAN as? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. God forbid the van kills someone in a traffic accident unrelated to the bucket all together. The Insurance Company could and probably would deny the claim due to a falsified application. If an insurance company can find a way out of a claim (especially a costly one) they will. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom DeReggi wrote: If its a standard VAN / Truck body, Don't tell them about the bucket! Call it a VAN, not a Bucket truck! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband As an insurance agent for the last 16 years in the state of PA(Besides running a WISP too for the last 5 years), I can tell You that there are some negatives to just Not mentioning the fact that it has a bucket on it. The first one is that when You sign the insurance application(This info. only applies to the state of PA where I am licensed, keep in mind the every state has different insurance laws, but almost ALL of them adopted the laws from the state of NY, as they were one of the first to actually clamp down and adopt them, and this is what PA uses), there is a paragraph that says all of the information You have submitted to the insurance CO is correct and You then sign underneath it. It is a great possibility that by omitting the fact that Your van had a bucket on it, the CO could deny Your claim based on the fact that You chose to omit the information about the bucket on purpose, as You knew this would stop You from securing coverage?. While I do understand that securing the proper insurance is becoming expensive, maybe even out of hand?, I do not want to see You or any other small CO lose everything buy trying to cut corners and get around something by being dishonest?. Almost all insurance have something called Good faith agreements in them. This Good Faith agreement is based on upon the fact that both You and the insurance CO have been up front and honest with each other about what coverages You are receiving from the CO and what type of risk the CO is actually insuring. They fulfill their half by giving You a policy that specificly states what
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Excellent point Travis. It would be covered under business liabilty insurance and/or workman's comp. Auto insurance is meant to cover the driver or other guy that got hurt in a driving accident. Never once heard of a bucket contributing to a driving accident with another vehichle. Unless of course you were driving down the road and forgot to lower the boom before driving away :-) Your business liabilty insurance is also more appropriate for this, as you classify what type of business you are in. Using it as a lineman, home construction, or Computer Networking can be considered and has required provisions for defining that in the agreement. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Hi, There are several other factors to consider here insurance on the vehicle itself is to cover if you damage someone else's property (vehicle) by getting into an accident on the road. You may also have full-coverage insurance to pay to fix the bucket truck itself. However, the other issue is general liability insurance... if you have someone in the bucket and they go thru someone's roof because they aren't paying attention, wouldn't that be covered by your general liability policy, rather than the auto insurance policy? Travis Microserv P.S. In almost 10 years in the wireless business, and well over 1,000,000 miles logged on over 20 wireless vehicles during that time (including several bucket trucks), we have never had an insurance claim... yet my rates continue to go up every year... :( Tom DeReggi wrote: When you put it that way... It does bring a new perpective to think about. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tim Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom, I do share some of same views that You have. I just thought it would be a good idea to present the pros and cons of omitting information. There are 2 types of insurance customers it seems?. The first one is like Yourself. You buy the insurance because You have to, and the thought of using it doesn't really cross Your mind for all the reasons You mentioned below. If it were possible, I am sure that insurance CO's would love to find a way to discern the quality customers from the irresponsible ones, and charge lower rates based on this fact, and the fact that the bucket is only used once a month?. That sad part is there is no real way to do this, as insurance is based on the law of large #'s, and in order for it to work, everyone must be lumped together in one big pool(for lack of other words?). Your customer profile is fairly common though. I respect the fact that when the truck is in the field, only responsible operators like Yourself will be operating the bucket, being extra cautious as to whats going on around You and whats happening when the boom is moving etc. This is the way it should be at all times. Now lets move on to the second type of customer(The most uncommon, believe it or not?). This person usually does everything they can to cut corners, not only with work ethics and install qualities but also with their level of responsibilties in the day to day operation of their business. This customer will hire the cheapest employee that will work for them, skimp on safety and vehicle maintainence, owe $$ to most of the vendors he or she does business with and they will usually try and call their employees Sub-contractors, trying to avoid paying taxes and workmans compensation to make more $$(This is really an entirely different topic, but I am just using this as an example?). This risk taking carries over to things such as the safe use of a bucket truck. If You remember, I mentioned that the people that work for this person are really only there because they can not find a job anywhere else, and our business owner in question hires them because it is cheap labor. The day comes when the bucket truck is needed for an install, and our employee gets behind the wheel to do the job(Keep in mind that our employee was up half the night boozing with his/her friends, and just found it their spouse is messing with the neighbor). When at the job site, this employee will not have very good safety principles, and will do something really dumb like tear the service head for the electric off the wall of the house and tear down the cable CO's fiber line, along with the local Telco's phone systems. The reason I am mentioning all this is because for the most part, 10% of all insurance customers file 90% of the
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9
I'm just deploying Pacs 900 rootennas with sr9's. Nice and clean. George Mark Nash - Lists wrote: What antenna are you using? Anyone used the 900MHz Rootenna? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik/RB112/SR9 Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Has anyone used the SR9's in a RB112? They are a little bigger so will they physically fit? How do you like them? We're using them and they seem to work ok. Having the right antenna is a key too. leon Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Tom DeReggi wrote: Excellent point Travis. It would be covered under business liabilty insurance and/or workman's comp. Auto insurance is meant to cover the driver or other guy that got hurt in a driving accident. Never once heard of a bucket contributing to a driving accident with another vehichle. Unless of course you were driving down the road and forgot to lower the boom before driving away :-) Your business liabilty insurance is also more appropriate for this, as you classify what type of business you are in. Using it as a lineman, home construction, or Computer Networking can be considered and has required provisions for defining that in the agreement. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom, Wrong answer about the business liability insurance :-) . In most states, the insurance covers ANYTHING that arises due to the vehicle or its use. For instance, in PA, if You close the van door on Your hand(even if the vehicle is parked and not moving) and break it, Your auto insurance has to pay the medical bills. If the operator of the bucket truck sends it through the roof of the house they are working on, then the property damage coverage of Your auto policy(primary) kicks in and pays for the roof. There is a chance that Your business insurance(GL or general liability) policy would cover You on a secondary basis if the coverage on the auto policy was not enough and You were sued for the difference?(Varies by state). The legal term for this is called the proximate cause of the accident or problem, and since the bucket was attached to the van, the auto policy will cover it. This is why Your insurance CO is pitching a fit about the bucket. Here is some more insurance trivia that all of You should be aware of, as I for one hate surprises. Did You know that if at the end of Your employees shift, You ask that person to drop off a check, contract, pick up a part at radio shack etc. and they are involved in an accident, You are going to be sued right along with Your employee and their (employee's)private auto insurer will more than likely deny the claim, as most personal lines policies do not cover any type of business use, period. The idea here is that the accident in question would have never occured if You had not asked the employee to run an errand for You. We also have some of us business owners that do not own any private vehicles. If everything You own is insured commercially?, Do Not EVER rent a vehicle unless Your Business auto policy has drive other car coverage, because if it doesn't?, You will be paying the bill for the accident, as most commercial auto policies only cover the vehicles listed on it, and if it 'aint there?, It 'aint covered. :-( -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Insurance And Worker's Comp...
Hmmm...I don't know either but GOOGLE does a great job with ASO and PEO as the search parameter. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance And Worker's Comp... I hate to admit my ignorance here but my curiosity got the best of me... what does ASO and PEO stand for? Peter R. wrote: I would suggest hiring through an ASO or PEO organization. These staff companies provide payroll, benefits and insurance. Construction companies use them. Just a thought. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. MarketingIDEAguy.com (813) (63-5884 -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] star os/sr2----mikrotik/cm9
I heard Eje telling folks at ISPCON that the chip that selects the antenna port for diversity on that module (I believe) was VERY sensitive to static discharge. Someone mentioned seeing about 20 db of attenuation when it fries. It sounds like you may have seen this first hand? Eje, if you are here can you confirm that this is the same module you said was quite susceptible to this damage? How did you say you have protected against this damage? I am sure it is surge / lightning protection but I think you mentioned a particular product that had given you good protection from this failure issue with these modules and was very cost effective. I assume Eje is on here? Scriv Have you tried replacing the SR2, we had just replaced two, we were getting -80s on a small backhaul, MT to MT, and after we swapped the radio, we were back at -60 .. Why, got me! Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] star os/sr2mikrotik/cm9 When I use sr2 my ack timing is all over the place, like 300 and the links are crap. I drop in a cm9 and all the ack's fall to 30's where they should be. This is all on MT. Brian Blair Davis wrote: The cm9 is rated for 17db The sr2 is rated for about 26db we are happy with the sr2, sr5 and sr9. all deployed and work well Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I replaced a star os/sr2 with a mikrotik/cm9 setup on an omni. I thought it would help my noise issues to get rid of the amped up sr2. It may have helped a little but now I have signal that I think it quite a bit less at the clients. What level of power is the cm9 at by default in a mikrotik and if I switch it to manual what could I push it to? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
