RE: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles

2006-11-30 Thread Charles Wu
Tom,

Contact me offlist -- I know someone who can probably help you (he does
custom work for University astronomy arrays)
Cheap is a relative term =/

-Charles

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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:51 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles


Tom,
I would try and look up something from the ham radio realm. They
have remote control systems for remote mounted radios. My idea would be is
you can find something with a software package that can remotely control a
rotor. This rotor would have your AP and camera mounted to the short section
of mast on top of the rotor. This could be an inexpensive TV antenna rotor.
Off the top of my head I can't think of anything that I know does this but
that's because I don't play with remote controlled radios much.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:21 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles


For the longest time, I wanted to build a solution to do the following, from
each of our Master Cell Sites

1) Rotate a IP Camera 360 deg (remotely over an IP connection)
2) Rotate a Pole with a Trango Fox 5800SU on it 360 deg (remotely over IP
connection).

The purpose is two fold

When Link quality severally degrades for a short period, either packet loss
or rssi,

1) To discover/view when there is a third party worker working on the roof
of our cell site.
  (Who may be standing in front of antennas periodically or testing gear
that interfers without getting pre-approved)

2) To do a spectrum site survey, on the fly in any direction, to find the
least noisy channel, WITHOUT taking the primary sector antenna down
(offline).

By having the radio and the camera on the same pole, it would help confirm
which direction we were pointing exactly when doing the survey. One of the
other requirements is that it won't turn more that 360 in one direction to
prevent cable CAT5 breaking, and to ahve a refference of the starting point
in deg, calibrated to a known direction (north 0 deg?).   What would REALLY
be cool, is if it had a speaker out put on the camera, so I could yell at
the worker standing in front of my antenna :-).   I'm aware that some camera
may have an output for controlling a relay or servo motor, as some
solutions/platforms exist to mount and rotate a single camera attached.
Preferably, I'd like a solution that could rotate the pole itself.
Everything of course would need to be outdoor survivable, and strong enough
that the pole would stay errect and safe at 200-300 feet up.  My thought is
that maybe the controls could be initiated from the IP Camera connections,
If I found a rotating platform/pole mount.

Are there any mechanical hobbyists out there, that might suggest the most
cost effective way to accomplish this? (My goal is lowest cost, lowest cost,
lowest cost, so I can afford to replicate the solution at about 20
locations)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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RE: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

2006-11-30 Thread Charles Wu
Not that this is a good practice...but 

Wmux radios are extremely sensative to interference on the Rx size (a wiff
of anything takes it down)
Figure out the Tx/Rx spread (may be 5.3 GHz on that particular site), and
shut them down on the Rx side -- maybe then they'll talk =)

-Charles

P.S. -- if it's a short range shot, they can probably go licensed now for
the same price as unlicensed, and they'd get out of your hair completely

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Ireton
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:28 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 yeppers.  something like that.
 
 Triangulate in on where it's coming from and ask the folks that own 
 the
 structure the antenna is on.
 
 It might be cheaper to pay them to change polarities than it is to 
 reset
 your plan.
 

I think the concensus - western multiplex - makes sense. And probbly a 
cell carrier. I do totally understand legacy equipment and such, but 
dammit I could get a few hundred mbps out of that same chunk and have 
channel space left over... but again that's using moden equipment.

I know I probbly have zero chance of sucess, but would anyone think 
(provided I can find the operator) that we could work something out - 
either like a polarity change as marlon suggested, or just buy them some 
more spectrally effecient gear...? I understand they may need to have an 
actual T1 electrical interface, but there are a few players that can 
actually do this job with much much less spectrum. I know of ceragon and 
their fiberair, as well as redline can do this. I've never heard of a 
deal like this but it would be helpful. Otherwise I'm going to have to 
change plans and that's gonna be a little expensive. Sort of wish I'd 
done an SA first but it's in the middle of nowhere and I just assumed 
based on past experience it wasn't going to be a problem... WRONG!

Mike-

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Re: [WISPA] HIPAA

2006-11-30 Thread John Scrivner
If I get a sit-down with the HIPAA compliance officer for the hospital 
here I am going to need to get someone else on the phone with them who 
is knowledgeable about HIPAA compliance who can help me sell the idea 
that wireless can be used in HIPAA compliant data transmission systems. 
Would yo be that person? If so then send me the best number to reach you 
at. I will let you know when I will have this meeting to make sure it is 
a time when you could talk if needed.

Thanks,
Scriv


Peter R. wrote:

A HIPAA consultant was at my luncheon yesterday. He pulled all this 
info for you:


pulled a couple things below as background as well as the actual 
regulation. The one that pertains to this discussion is the last 
paragraph below. There is no strict rule as to how to secure and in 
actual fact, switched or dial-up networks are deemed more secure due 
to the random nature of the connection.


http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2003_registerdocid=fr20fe03-4.pdf 



The HIPAA Security Rule establishes specific requirements for securing 
all electronic protected health information (EPHI) -- while at rest 
(in servers or storage) or in motion (in transmission, wireless or 
wired).


‘‘Transmission security (refers to)… electronic protected health 
information is transmitted from one point to another, it must be 
protected in a manner commensurate with the associated risk.”



§ 164.312 Technical safeguards.

A covered entity must, in accordance with § 164.306:

(a)(1) Standard: Access control. Implement technical policies and 
procedures for electronic information systems that maintain electronic 
protected health information to allow access only to those persons or 
software programs that have been granted access rights as specified in 
§ 164.308(a)(4).


(2) Implementation specifications: (i) Unique user identification 
(Required). Assign a unique name and/or number for identifying and 
tracking user identity. (ii) Emergency access procedure (Required). 
Establish (and implement as needed) procedures for obtaining necessary 
electronic protected health information during an emergency. (iii) 
Automatic logoff (Addressable). Implement electronic procedures that 
terminate an electronic session after a predetermined time of 
inactivity. (iv) Encryption and decryption (Addressable). Implement a 
mechanism to encrypt and decrypt electronic protected health information.



(b) Standard: Audit controls. Implement hardware, software, and/or 
procedural mechanisms that record and examine activity in information 
systems that contain or use electronic protected health information.


(c)(1) Standard: Integrity. Implement policies and procedures to 
protect electronic protected health information from improper 
alteration or destruction. (2) Implementation specification: Mechanism 
to authenticate electronic protected health information (Addressable). 
Implement electronic mechanisms to corroborate that electronic 
protected health information has not been altered or destroyed in an 
unauthorized manner.


(d) Standard: Person or entity authentication. Implement procedures to 
verify that a person or entity seeking access to electronic protected 
health information is the one claimed.


(e)(1) Standard: Transmission security. Implement technical security 
measures to guard against unauthorized access to electronic protected 
health information that is being transmitted over an electronic 
communications network. (2) Implementation specifications: (i) 
Integrity controls (Addressable). Implement security measures to 
ensure that electronically transmitted electronic protected health 
information is not improperly modified without detection until 
disposed of. (ii) Encryption (Addressable). Implement a mechanism to 
encrypt electronic protected health information whenever deemed 
appropriate.



Daniel L. Ruggles
CISSP, CISM, CMC, IAM, PMP

Principal
Liaison Technologies, LLC



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RE: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

2006-11-30 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
Funny you mention that, But you are right. We are located on a tower with a
2.4 WM and a 5ghz WM. We put our stuff up, ran the SA and went holy S***. We
were able to move around them. But I forgot about them when I moved some
channels around, and sure enough about 3 months later I was taking to the
area tech and I asked how everything was working... They never could
figure out why their t-1 radios kept dropping until I asked what channels
they were running.

Canopy gave them some problems, but we never saw anything. So now I have
those channels blocked out..

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:49 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

Not that this is a good practice...but 

Wmux radios are extremely sensative to interference on the Rx size (a wiff
of anything takes it down)
Figure out the Tx/Rx spread (may be 5.3 GHz on that particular site), and
shut them down on the Rx side -- maybe then they'll talk =)

-Charles

P.S. -- if it's a short range shot, they can probably go licensed now for
the same price as unlicensed, and they'd get out of your hair completely

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Ireton
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:28 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 yeppers.  something like that.
 
 Triangulate in on where it's coming from and ask the folks that own 
 the
 structure the antenna is on.
 
 It might be cheaper to pay them to change polarities than it is to 
 reset
 your plan.
 

I think the concensus - western multiplex - makes sense. And probbly a 
cell carrier. I do totally understand legacy equipment and such, but 
dammit I could get a few hundred mbps out of that same chunk and have 
channel space left over... but again that's using moden equipment.

I know I probbly have zero chance of sucess, but would anyone think 
(provided I can find the operator) that we could work something out - 
either like a polarity change as marlon suggested, or just buy them some 
more spectrally effecient gear...? I understand they may need to have an 
actual T1 electrical interface, but there are a few players that can 
actually do this job with much much less spectrum. I know of ceragon and 
their fiberair, as well as redline can do this. I've never heard of a 
deal like this but it would be helpful. Otherwise I'm going to have to 
change plans and that's gonna be a little expensive. Sort of wish I'd 
done an SA first but it's in the middle of nowhere and I just assumed 
based on past experience it wasn't going to be a problem... WRONG!

Mike-

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Re: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

2006-11-30 Thread Mike Ireton


Charles, I'm suprised!

	In general I would advocate cooperation and it sounds like perhaps 
there would be some options here if this does turn out to be a cell 
carrier or such. We would certainly like to continue earning our 
reputation as good guys - even with competitors who otherwise would not 
do likewise - I simply didn't expect this situation here. On a 
commercial tower we'd be screwed I know. But I think this goes both ways 
- since I'm going canopy here and going to do 5.8, it's going to hurt 
them and unintentionally so unless we figure something out. I do have 
sectorization as an option, as well as 5.2 and 2.4 and 900 if I really 
want. And cross polarization probbly won't be enough due to the high 
rssi already.


Mike-



Charles Wu wrote:
Not that this is a good practice...but 


Wmux radios are extremely sensative to interference on the Rx size (a wiff
of anything takes it down)
Figure out the Tx/Rx spread (may be 5.3 GHz on that particular site), and
shut them down on the Rx side -- maybe then they'll talk =)

-Charles

P.S. -- if it's a short range shot, they can probably go licensed now for
the same price as unlicensed, and they'd get out of your hair completely




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Re: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

2006-11-30 Thread Tom DeReggi
Also remember, its not only about doing the spectrum analsys upfront, but 
also an issue of choosing a broadcast site, where the management is savy 
enough to manage the spectrum use correctly at the site.  Whether or not you 
interfere with colocated equipment should have been caught before any gear 
was ever even turned on, or a dollar spent in onsite time.  Thats the 
advantage of paying for the use of spectrum from a site.  Many people will 
install unlicensed gear, without contractually having the right to deploy it 
in the first place.  Many Licensed carrier don;t understand its the 
appropirate practice to.  So often, if you've paid for it, and they haven;t, 
you can make them take it down.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?


Funny you mention that, But you are right. We are located on a tower with 
a
2.4 WM and a 5ghz WM. We put our stuff up, ran the SA and went holy S***. 
We

were able to move around them. But I forgot about them when I moved some
channels around, and sure enough about 3 months later I was taking to the
area tech and I asked how everything was working... They never could
figure out why their t-1 radios kept dropping until I asked what channels
they were running.

Canopy gave them some problems, but we never saw anything. So now I have
those channels blocked out..

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:49 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

Not that this is a good practice...but

Wmux radios are extremely sensative to interference on the Rx size (a wiff
of anything takes it down)
Figure out the Tx/Rx spread (may be 5.3 GHz on that particular site), and
shut them down on the Rx side -- maybe then they'll talk =)

-Charles

P.S. -- if it's a short range shot, they can probably go licensed now for
the same price as unlicensed, and they'd get out of your hair completely

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Ireton
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:28 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

yeppers.  something like that.

Triangulate in on where it's coming from and ask the folks that own
the
structure the antenna is on.

It might be cheaper to pay them to change polarities than it is to
reset
your plan.



I think the concensus - western multiplex - makes sense. And probbly a
cell carrier. I do totally understand legacy equipment and such, but
dammit I could get a few hundred mbps out of that same chunk and have
channel space left over... but again that's using moden equipment.

I know I probbly have zero chance of sucess, but would anyone think
(provided I can find the operator) that we could work something out -
either like a polarity change as marlon suggested, or just buy them some
more spectrally effecient gear...? I understand they may need to have an
actual T1 electrical interface, but there are a few players that can
actually do this job with much much less spectrum. I know of ceragon and
their fiberair, as well as redline can do this. I've never heard of a
deal like this but it would be helpful. Otherwise I'm going to have to
change plans and that's gonna be a little expensive. Sort of wish I'd
done an SA first but it's in the middle of nowhere and I just assumed
based on past experience it wasn't going to be a problem... WRONG!

Mike-

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[WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-11-30 Thread Rick Smith
Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ?
 
What kind of pricing per CPE
 
I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each for a
rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112
 
Anyone see anything different ?
 
R

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Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-11-30 Thread Butch Evans

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Rick Smith wrote:


Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ?

What kind of pricing per CPE

I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each 
for a rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112


Anyone see anything different ?


While I am not purchasing these today (being that I am no longer an 
ISP), I can't tell you where you can purchase them, but I'd expect 
$300-400 for a complete system.


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Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-11-30 Thread cw

http://www.star-v3.com/store/

$262 ea in ten packs + roo.

Rick Smith wrote:

Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ?
 
What kind of pricing per CPE
 
I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each for a

rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112
 
Anyone see anything different ?
 
R



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Re: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

2006-11-30 Thread Tom DeReggi
Some unscrupulous operators also may use them Tsunamis to kill/squat on 
the spectrum to prevent new commers.
This is a large part of the advantage of using sectorized, is you find out 
where the noise sources are and engineer around them.  If you are in their 
direct path and close, it may mean changing cell site locations or frequency 
range. The good news is its probably a very directional antenna, and 
feasible that you could not interfere with them by moving your cell site 
location.  There are several other brands other than Tsunmai that also allow 
use of all the channels. Its usually the outcome of older legacy gear that 
attempted 45mbps or higher links.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?



Sounds like and old western multiplex tsunami used by cell carriers for
tower backhaul

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Ireton
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:25 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

While installing a new canopy accesspoint today, in an unserved
community with no other wireless isps and little else, I discovered that
I have about a -56 avarage across the entire swath of 5750mhz thru
5845mhz... what the hell?!?!? It's a small area deployment and we had
planned on a simple low gain omni, but not now... I don't know who or
what but 100mhz, is that really necessary? I'm going to take an sm later
and see if I can get a better picture and determine the direction of
these signals and see if there's going to be any way to make this work.
Out in the middle of nowhere. But does anyone have any idea what in gods
name could occupy this much continuous spectrum in 5.8?

Mike-

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RE: [WISPA] Winter Cleaning

2006-11-30 Thread Charles Wu
I have the following Alvarion equipment that needs a home (all unopened new
in box)

Q3 AUE-NI-900
Q13 SU-I-D-900

Anyone interested?

-Charles

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[WISPA] Re: [equipment-l] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-11-30 Thread Justin Wilson

$287 plus antenna and shipping is what we figure.

Justin
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Rick Smith wrote:


Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ?

What kind of pricing per CPE

I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each for a
rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112

Anyone see anything different ?

R



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[WISPA] Killer new white paper on advanced antenna tech, etc.

2006-11-30 Thread Patrick Leary
Complex concepts like MIMO, beam-forming, SOFDMA, etc. very well
explained with rich, clean graphics. Not product promotion. I think it
is our best technology paper ever. Who wants a copy? (HIT ME OFFLIST
with WHITEPAPER in the subject line)

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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Re: [WISPA] illegal CPE installs

2006-11-30 Thread Rick Kunze
I would imagine they're counting on the FCC making some changes in 
5.2, but maybe they're just risking it.  After all, the customer base 
is the only value they're looking for.  The FCC fine might be 
minuscule in comparison, I don't know.


Rk

At 02:58 PM 11/27/2006, you wrote:

Hi,

Curious to everyone's thoughts about a regional WISP installing 
illegal CPE units? They are using Last Mile Gear 120degree Canopy 
120 degree sectors (5.2GHz) and then putting the Canopy 5.2GHz SM in 
dishes at customer locations. I am talking about thousands of CPE 
installed this way and doing more every day. This company covers 
several western states (Idaho, Utah, Nevada, etc.) and also does 
Dish Network satellite TV installs.


Is this OK? What are everyone's thoughts?

Travis
Microserv
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