[WISPA] Farewell Everyone
Hello Everyone, Well the time has come, I am no longer a WISP owner as my partner and I have sold our company to Rick Gunderson of Compulinx Inc. (d.b.a. Palm Beach Broadband). Rick is a very fine fellow and after spending a large amount of time with him, someone we feel comfortable with acquiring our WISP. We have gone to great lengths to find the perfect fit and we feel we have found it with Rick Gunderson of Compulinx Inc. He has a great deal to offer the WISP community and is very passionate about the wireless industry. So where do I go from here you might ask? Well, let me see... I own a portfolio of online properties, a thriving real estate rental business and I recently diversified into the music industry as co-owner of Gateway Music Festival LLC (http://www.gatewaymusicfestival.com) If you would like to stay in touch with me (I am unsubscribing from this list tonight), you may do so by subscribing to my personal newsletter via the opt-in form located at: http://www.shannondenniston.com I am anxious to continue development of http://www.ispbuddy.com which will offer numerous amenities, not found elsewhere, to ISP's of all sizes. If you are spending more than an hour or two per day managing your ISP then you need an ISP Buddy! You can go to http://www.ispbuddy.com to subscribe to the launch notification list if automating your ISP is of interest to you. Take care everyone, I have learned a lot over the past few years as an ISP and I attribute a large amount of my ISP success to the knowledge I learned from this list and the many friendships I have made along the way. This is one of the greatest WISP lists in the world and I am grateful for finding it so early on in my ISP venture. I wish you all success! Sincerely, Shannon D. Denniston, President Denniston Enterprises, Inc. http://www.DennistonInc.com 859.498.4729 ___ To us, everyday is a dot com day! http://www.DennistonInc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Farewell Everyone
Thanks for letting us know where you are going. I hope your new ventures treat you well! If you don't mind me asking. What did you sell? How many subs? How much? Or at least, what kind of multiplier etc. was used to determine the value of your company? It's always a PITA to work with the bank on what value to place on my company! take care! marlon - Original Message - From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Farewell Everyone Hello Everyone, Well the time has come, I am no longer a WISP owner as my partner and I have sold our company to Rick Gunderson of Compulinx Inc. (d.b.a. Palm Beach Broadband). Rick is a very fine fellow and after spending a large amount of time with him, someone we feel comfortable with acquiring our WISP. We have gone to great lengths to find the perfect fit and we feel we have found it with Rick Gunderson of Compulinx Inc. He has a great deal to offer the WISP community and is very passionate about the wireless industry. So where do I go from here you might ask? Well, let me see... I own a portfolio of online properties, a thriving real estate rental business and I recently diversified into the music industry as co-owner of Gateway Music Festival LLC (http://www.gatewaymusicfestival.com) If you would like to stay in touch with me (I am unsubscribing from this list tonight), you may do so by subscribing to my personal newsletter via the opt-in form located at: http://www.shannondenniston.com I am anxious to continue development of http://www.ispbuddy.com which will offer numerous amenities, not found elsewhere, to ISP's of all sizes. If you are spending more than an hour or two per day managing your ISP then you need an ISP Buddy! You can go to http://www.ispbuddy.com to subscribe to the launch notification list if automating your ISP is of interest to you. Take care everyone, I have learned a lot over the past few years as an ISP and I attribute a large amount of my ISP success to the knowledge I learned from this list and the many friendships I have made along the way. This is one of the greatest WISP lists in the world and I am grateful for finding it so early on in my ISP venture. I wish you all success! Sincerely, Shannon D. Denniston, President Denniston Enterprises, Inc. http://www.DennistonInc.com 859.498.4729 ___ To us, everyday is a dot com day! http://www.DennistonInc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ot OE links
Hi All, My laptop will no longer go to a link when clicked on via email. In OE if I click on a link it won't go there unless I copy and paste the link into a browser. I have a customer with that problem too. I'll be darned if I can find the setting that got changed to cause it. Any ideas? thanks marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC requests .. Bob M. what about FSO
George, i have done very few optical links. I have installed a ton of wireless links to either replace them or back them up over the years. I have not done one in about 2 years so I really can't comment on present new technology, if any. Regards -B- George Rogato wrote: Hey Bob M. Seeing your on list and talking about short PtP sots. What do you think about FSO, Plaintree? Have you installed much and do you like? I'm thinking that I might have to go that way and figured you could advise. George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC requests .. Bob M. what about FSO
Just chiming in here on FSO, FSO is absolutely a great solution typically for anything up to a mile. In many areas you can push it a lot further, some of our users have installations over 4km in some regions. The infrared spectrum is license-free, and there's no risk of interference due to highly directional beams (2-8mRad - i.e. up to 0.5deg), and properly-built products don't suffer scatter/back-reflections. FSO is anything T1 up to 1.25Gbps; full duplex; Anyone interested have a look at some real-world installations: http://www.cablefreesolutions.com/imagelib1.htm (older ones here) http://www.wirelessexcellence.com/cablefree/gallery1.htm more recent enterprise http://www.wirelessexcellence.com/cablefree/gallery2.htm telco installs http://www.wirelessexcellence.com/cablefree/gallery3.htm mobile/broadcast Obviously FSO can't do P2MP, Non-LOS, huge long distances and you can't put them on flexible/narrow masts/monopoles; and there are other technologies that do all those excellently; but for your shorter P2P links on stable structures, it's absolutely ideal. Related to the original thread, FSO isn't using up valuable radio spectrum that can be better used for your longer shots. Regards Stephen Patrick CableFree Solutions www.cablefreesolutions.com -Original Message- From: George Rogato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2007 05:47 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests .. Bob M. what about FSO Hey Bob M. Seeing your on list and talking about short PtP sots. What do you think about FSO, Plaintree? Have you installed much and do you like? I'm thinking that I might have to go that way and figured you could advise. George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/2007 14:31 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA
Anyone cover this location and want to split a customer with me ? 12 Kent Road Aston, PA 19014 I imagine there's a tower on-site...it's a TV station. Let me know asap. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA
Rick - it's only because you're a yankee but what half of the customer are you wanting in this split ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 1:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'Principal WISPA Member List' Subject: [WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA Anyone cover this location and want to split a customer with me ? 12 Kent Road Aston, PA 19014 I imagine there's a tower on-site...it's a TV station. Let me know asap. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA
lol. I don't care if I make nothin off this one - I have to bill them. We're doing three of their stations up here in jersey - their fourth is in aston. they won't do any if we can't do them all. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA Rick - it's only because you're a yankee but what half of the customer are you wanting in this split ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 1:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'Principal WISPA Member List' Subject: [WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA Anyone cover this location and want to split a customer with me ? 12 Kent Road Aston, PA 19014 I imagine there's a tower on-site...it's a TV station. Let me know asap. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] McCaw losing money?
Just a little bit! I was just talking to a local PC reseller and I asked him what ClearWire gave him when he signed up a new customer. 180 bucks! Per sub! It is normally 80 bucks per sub but when he reaches a certain threshold, he gets 180. So what does the next-net equipment cost? and then bandwidth and then tower leases and then spiffs for your resellers WOW! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] US 'no longer technology king'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6502725.stm Nordic crown Denmark is now regarded as the world leader in technological innovation and application, with its Nordic neighbours Sweden, Finland and Norway claiming second, fourth and 10th place respectively. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC begins testing mysterious white space wireless broadband device
FCC begins testing mysterious white space wireless broadband device By Eric Bangeman Earlier this month, a consortium of companies including Microsoft, Intel, Dell, and Google submitted a device to the Federal Communications Commission for approval that would use the so-called white space in the analog television spectrum for wireless Internet access. The FCC is testing the new device and will have results ready in July, according to an attorney for the companies, and the Commission could then adopt final rules for such devices in the fall of this year. Related Stories * Bill would open up TV white space for wireless Internet The analog TV spectrum has been eyed hungrily by a number of parties, including the FCC, wireless providers, and rural dial-up users longing for a low-cost broadband solution. When the US completes its transition to digital television broadcasts in February 2009, much of the spectrum between 54MHz and 698MHz (channels 2 through 51) will become available. It's often referred to as beachfront property because signals in that area of the spectrum travel far and wide, and can easily be received indoors. In the meantime, many people are hoping that the unused white space that exists between the individual channels will be made available for use by unlicensed devices like the prototype developed by the consortium. A bill introduced last week by Rep. Jay Inslee (D-WA) would force the FCC to make a decision about the white space, something that the Commission has already indicated its intent to do. Despite the recent movement towards increasing the amount of wireless spectrum available for broadband access, it appears as though we will have to wait until February 2009 for white-space devices to hit the market. Rep. Inslee's bill sets a hard deadline of February 18, 2009, although it mandates that the FCC make the spectrum available at the earliest technically feasible date. The coalition of companies backing the prototype wireless device has said that they will not go on sale until February 2009. Although little is known about the mysterious device, its implications are far reaching. Should the tests go well, it could have the effect of dramatically changing the broadband landscape in the US. Wireless networks using the spectrum should be relatively easy to deploy, and would provide residents of rural areas easy access to broadband while giving everyone else a third alternative to DSL and cable. David T. Hughes Director, Corporate Communications Roadstar Internet 604 South King Street -Suite 200 Leesburg, VA 20175 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods- For Clint
Clint, Thanks for the great information, in this and your other posts. One of the Linux guys here downloaded the opencalea package and started testing it. It sure is nice seeing the information it generates. And activity is picking up on the mailing list. I feel a glimmer of hope ... Adam - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods- For Clint Ralph, My apologies for the confusion. I think we are more or less on the same page method-wise for gathering that information; I made some assumptions that may have been applicable to your network. Now, as far as the pretty red package and bow for transferring the information to a law enforcement agency (LEA), I'll take a stab at that, although, as I'm not a lawyer, my usefulness is limited. Still, having paid for and read through the spec, it's not all that complicated of a red package. I don't think that it's worth the $10,000+ commercial solutions are going for. However, I've not been able (yet) to track down the actual transmission to the LEA, other than it is over some sort of VPN, so I am missing that piece of the puzzle. But the format itself is seems fairly simple to implement and, indeed, is already at least somewhat implemented with opencalea. Good resources to look at: - OpenCALEA (http://www.opencalea.org/) OpenCALEA is an initiative to create an open source platform to comply with CALEA. The mailing list is a very good resource. The software is rough, but already covers the basic needs of most ISPS to a point except the actual handoff to the law enforcement agency (LEA) OpenCALEA Overview (PDF) (http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0702/presentations/karir.pdf) PDF overview of OpenCalea along with some conceptual network diagrams. Draft Specification (http://contributions.atis.org/UPLOAD/PTSC/LAES/PTSC-LAES-2006-084R8.doc) Reference specification for data portion of CALEA. Is functionally the same as the current (pay required) Baller Herbst Law Group CALEA Page (http://www.baller.com/calea.html) Great page with most of the important links. Look here for legal explanation, especially in the Plain Language Summary section. Cisco CALEA Webinar (http://www.opastco.org/docs/SP_CALEA_Webinar.ppt) CALEA Standards (http://www.askcalea.net/standards.html) Official list of standards CALEA interface. -- Notes from the above 1. The commercial packages are effectively devices that query a radius/authentication server and sniff on the network and then format the information to send to the law enforcement agency. No real magic. 2. OpenCALEA already has the basics of the system, although it doesn't seem to have any support (yet) for the authentication (AAA) portion. Future features will possibly include handoff to the LEA and more complex infrastructure for handling a wide, disparate network. 3. The only real requirements are 1. That the tap happens 2. The tap gathers both authentication/control information AND a complete capture of the session 3. That the output of 2 gets formatted according the the standard 4. That the information be transmitted to the LEA (seemingly through a VPN). 4. Based on 3, most of the equipment/solutions out there are heavily overengineered (see Cisco Webinar for an example). Most of the solutions are geared to a process that can be managed across carrier networks with subscribers into the millions. This is overkill for most WISPS :) On a given WISP of 1,000 subs, how often is a CALEA order actually going to happen? Infrequently enough that having to do some manual work each time is better than a high upfront cost (by manual work, I mean turning on a monitoring port/tap and manually initiating a VPN to the law enforcement agency as necessary). -- Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies 800.783.5753 On 3/27/07, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Clint. You are confusing me. When I mention MT, I said routers, not CPE. We don't use non type accepted CPE and therefore don't have MT in any form at the customer end. However our site routers and even the edge router ARE MT- even the edge router. Those are what I am talking about. I didn't say anything about putting any certain number of units in. And I really don't see how that would turn into hundreds of monitoring nodes. I'd just as soon only have to mess with it at one or two places. Our network is fed from two different points, but from the same provider. This provider told another WISP in the area (that he also upstreams) that he would not be able to do CALEA capture for us, but has now publicly said that he can. We'll have to see how that goes as it develops. If he will, then that makes him an even more valuable provider. Cisco's CALEA solution is at the router level. This seems to be the most logical place to do the tap- especially if the equipment/license/whatever is costly. The
Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
Smart people sometimes do foolish things. However, he isnt the dumbest guy in the world either. So what is his bet? Why would a guy who cut his teeth in cellular come out so hard against the cell carriers with a new wireless product? chris Quoting Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just a little bit! I was just talking to a local PC reseller and I asked him what ClearWire gave him when he signed up a new customer. 180 bucks! Per sub! It is normally 80 bucks per sub but when he reaches a certain threshold, he gets 180. So what does the next-net equipment cost? and then bandwidth and then tower leases and then spiffs for your resellers WOW! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
Hes basically emulating the Cellular Biz ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? Smart people sometimes do foolish things. However, he isnt the dumbest guy in the world either. So what is his bet? Why would a guy who cut his teeth in cellular come out so hard against the cell carriers with a new wireless product? chris Quoting Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just a little bit! I was just talking to a local PC reseller and I asked him what ClearWire gave him when he signed up a new customer. 180 bucks! Per sub! It is normally 80 bucks per sub but when he reaches a certain threshold, he gets 180. So what does the next-net equipment cost? and then bandwidth and then tower leases and then spiffs for your resellers WOW! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
The cellular business was different 2-3 years ago... before number portability... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hes basically emulating the Cellular Biz ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? Smart people sometimes do foolish things. However, he isnt the dumbest guy in the world either. So what is his bet? Why would a guy who cut his teeth in cellular come out so hard against the cell carriers with a new wireless product? chris Quoting Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just a little bit! I was just talking to a local PC reseller and I asked him what ClearWire gave him when he signed up a new customer. 180 bucks! Per sub! It is normally 80 bucks per sub but when he reaches a certain threshold, he gets 180. So what does the next-net equipment cost? and then bandwidth and then tower leases and then spiffs for your "resellers" WOW! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot OE links
There is a reg hack to fix that, but the easiest way I have found is to install or reinstall a browser (thunderbird or opera or whatever). When it finishes, and launches for the first time, it will ask if its the default browser, say yes. You can change back to IE or whatever, but the registry settings that say open http://whatever.whatever; to open in a browser will get rewritten and reset when you do that. pd Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, My laptop will no longer go to a link when clicked on via email. In OE if I click on a link it won't go there unless I copy and paste the link into a browser. I have a customer with that problem too. I'll be darned if I can find the setting that got changed to cause it. Any ideas? thanks marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
Well yeah, he exited the cell biz bout 4 years ago .., and theres no Num portability with internet Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? The cellular business was different 2-3 years ago... before number portability... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hes basically emulating the Cellular Biz ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? Smart people sometimes do foolish things. However, he isnt the dumbest guy in the world either. So what is his bet? Why would a guy who cut his teeth in cellular come out so hard against the cell carriers with a new wireless product? chris Quoting Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Just a little bit! I was just talking to a local PC reseller and I asked him what ClearWire gave him when he signed up a new customer. 180 bucks! Per sub! It is normally 80 bucks per sub but when he reaches a certain threshold, he gets 180. So what does the next-net equipment cost? and then bandwidth and then tower leases and then spiffs for your resellers WOW! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
Yea there is, its call DNS Ryan On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 22:34 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote: Well yeah, he exited the cell biz bout 4 years ago .., and theres no Num portability with internet Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? The cellular business was different 2-3 years ago... before number portability... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hes basically emulating the Cellular Biz ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? Smart people sometimes do foolish things. However, he isnt the dumbest guy in the world either. So what is his bet? Why would a guy who cut his teeth in cellular come out so hard against the cell carriers with a new wireless product? chris Quoting Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Just a little bit! I was just talking to a local PC reseller and I asked him what ClearWire gave him when he signed up a new customer. 180 bucks! Per sub! It is normally 80 bucks per sub but when he reaches a certain threshold, he gets 180. So what does the next-net equipment cost? and then bandwidth and then tower leases and then spiffs for your resellers WOW! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
That's what I meant... back when he did cellular, people were more locked in to their cell numbers... so even outside of contract, most people didn't want to give up their number... but things are different now with cell stuff... it's much closer to how internet access is now... that's what I was saying... He may have done well in the cell business 4 years ago, but the internet business is much different. People switch providers all the time. To pay someone $180 for a customer signup seems foolish. $30/month x 12 months = $360. and he is giving away half of that right to start with... so that customer just became a $15/month customer... that you also had to provide equipment for ($5/month), bandwidth, support, etc. for $10/month. Maybe he's using the same mind-set that one of my competitors was using a few years ago (they are out of business now)... we'll make it up on quantity. :) Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Well yeah, he exited the cell biz bout 4 years ago .., and theres no Num portability with internet Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? The cellular business was different 2-3 years ago... before number portability... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hes basically emulating the Cellular Biz ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? Smart people sometimes do foolish things. However, he isnt the dumbest guy in the world either. So what is his bet? Why would a guy who cut his teeth in cellular come out so hard against the cell carriers with a new wireless product? chris Quoting Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Just a little bit! I was just talking to a local PC reseller and I asked him what ClearWire gave him when he signed up a new customer. 180 bucks! Per sub! It is normally 80 bucks per sub but when he reaches a certain threshold, he gets 180. So what does the next-net equipment cost? and then bandwidth and then tower leases and then spiffs for your resellers WOW! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
Or possibly called BGP... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? Yea there is, its call DNS Ryan On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 22:34 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote: Well yeah, he exited the cell biz bout 4 years ago .., and theres no Num portability with internet Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? The cellular business was different 2-3 years ago... before number portability... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hes basically emulating the Cellular Biz ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? Smart people sometimes do foolish things. However, he isnt the dumbest guy in the world either. So what is his bet? Why would a guy who cut his teeth in cellular come out so hard against the cell carriers with a new wireless product? chris Quoting Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Just a little bit! I was just talking to a local PC reseller and I asked him what ClearWire gave him when he signed up a new customer. 180 bucks! Per sub! It is normally 80 bucks per sub but when he reaches a certain threshold, he gets 180. So what does the next-net equipment cost? and then bandwidth and then tower leases and then spiffs for your resellers WOW! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Hello Marlon, Sure, low power levels may work for those that adhere to the rules. Unfortunately I don't believe this rule change request mentions lowering power levels for smaller antennas. I do believe the band that is best suited for the application should be used and not open up all bands for every application. I can only imagine what a mess that would make of the airwaves. Yes, I agree emissions do not stop at each side of the link and continue beyond, but I'd rather deal with a direct inline issue than one that is several degrees off axis and shouldn't be there in the first place. Again, the point I trying to make is use the correct tool for the job. 11GHz is not the correct tool for a 100' link. Just because you can turn a bolt with a pair of vise grips doesn't mean you are using the right tool for the job. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz And exactly HOW do you suppose that a very low power link will somehow screw up the band? Using higher power kills off everything on BOTH ends of the link. The signal doesn't just stop, it continues on past the rec. antenna. Your argument make no sense to me. Not from a frequency reuse standpoint. Also, what should we be pushing? MAXIMUM utilization for all bands. The rules for 11 gig and 6 gig cut down on the utilization and therefore waste a natural resource. I live on the farm. We use every drop of farmable ground. We plant the crops that grow the best out here and are always looking for new ones. Should be the same for wireless spectrum. Use up every drop. THEN, IF there's a problem, figure out how to deal with it. marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:00 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz Marlon, 11GHz is intended for medium to long range links. That is why they require a relatively larger antenna to keep the beam narrow to increase the freq reuse ability. 6GHz requires a 6' minimum antenna and this is a GOOD thing otherwise there would be fewer 6GHz licenses available in any given geographic area. If you have a 100' link then by all means use an 80-90GHz licensed link or even sub-lease a 38GHz license. Or use FOS or 60GHz or 24GHz for 100' links, but 11GHz for a 100' shot is a waste and not a good use of the band. Opening 11GHz to smaller dishes means more chance the band will be used up by short links that could have been achieved with the same (or even better) results by using a higher freq band. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz I TOTALLY disagree with that. On two fronts. First, what's wrong with a short licensed link? If that's what I want to use that's up to me. Maybe I want to put a link that requires 100% uptime guarantee and has to be licensed but only has to cross the train tracks. Ever try to push a cable across the tracks or freeway? It'll make Jack's $30,000 link look cheap! Second, how would use of smaller antennas screw anything up? I've been blown offline from interference that came from 30 MILES away. It was only an 11 mile link. They had 6' dishes an had the power cranked all the way up. I think I figured it at a 60 dB fade margin. And there was nothing in the rules that said they couldn't do that! Luckily they turned the power way down and my problem went away. With an ATPC requirement that never would have happened. Just because they mandate antenna sizes in no way means that it's the only, or today, even the best way to maximize frequency reuse. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz I don't think you would select 11GHz to go 100'. That's the whole point...let's hope FCC doesn't screw up 11GHz by allowing it's use for short haul applications. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz All due respect right back at ya! grin Anyhow, to
Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
I think it's the money raised from the sale of stock. Because if the 180 doesn't leave any profit, what about all the radio and tv advertizing they do? Travis Johnson wrote: That's what I meant... back when he did cellular, people were more locked in to their cell numbers... so even outside of contract, most people didn't want to give up their number... but things are different now with cell stuff... it's much closer to how internet access is now... that's what I was saying... He may have done well in the cell business 4 years ago, but the internet business is much different. People switch providers all the time. To pay someone $180 for a customer signup seems foolish. $30/month x 12 months = $360. and he is giving away half of that right to start with... so that customer just became a $15/month customer... that you also had to provide equipment for ($5/month), bandwidth, support, etc. for $10/month. Maybe he's using the same mind-set that one of my competitors was using a few years ago (they are out of business now)... we'll make it up on quantity. :) Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Well yeah, he exited the cell biz bout 4 years ago .., and theres no Num portability with internet Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? The cellular business was different 2-3 years ago... before number portability... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hes basically emulating the Cellular Biz ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? Smart people sometimes do foolish things. However, he isnt the dumbest guy in the world either. So what is his bet? Why would a guy who cut his teeth in cellular come out so hard against the cell carriers with a new wireless product? chris Quoting Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Just a little bit! I was just talking to a local PC reseller and I asked him what ClearWire gave him when he signed up a new customer. 180 bucks! Per sub! It is normally 80 bucks per sub but when he reaches a certain threshold, he gets 180. So what does the next-net equipment cost? and then bandwidth and then tower leases and then spiffs for your resellers WOW! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Phone Cos Eye Largest US Government Telecom Contract Ever
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22625.php Four major telephone companies are eagerly eyeing a long-term government contract worth as much as US$48 billion, making it the largest telecom contract ever. The GSA's Networx Universal program will give the winning companies a 10-year contract to provide telecommunications and networking services such as voice, video and data to all federal agencies. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
I've spent much of this year analyzing the financials of Vonage and other companies. I just finished looking at VZ. (http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/03/vz-spending-billions.html) The numbers make no sense. But then under GAAP accounting its all about putting your numbers in the proper silo and never changing. Where does the money come from? Some of it is debt. Some of it is hardware financing. Some of it is IPO money. Some of it is a credit line. Some from investors. A little from revenue. George Rogato wrote: I think it's the money raised from the sale of stock. Because if the 180 doesn't leave any profit, what about all the radio and tv advertizing they do? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Phone Cos Eye Largest US Government Telecom Contract Ever
George Rogato wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22625.php Four major telephone companies are eagerly eyeing a long-term government contract worth as much as US$48 billion, making it the largest telecom contract ever. The GSA's Networx Universal program will give the winning companies a 10-year contract to provide telecommunications and networking services such as voice, video and data to all federal agencies. That means there will be more collusion. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/03/att_verizon_we_.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
The problem with that is eventually all of those income sources (IPO, credit line, investors, etc.) dry up... and then you are left with revenue to try and pay all the others (hardware, long term and monthly debt, etc.). It can work, but I just don't see it in this industry. With $30/month accounts (with little or no add-ons that the cell companies used to have like vmail, long-distance, over-minute usage fees, etc.) there just isn't that much profit. The other difference is most telco's (and even cell companies) operate on a 30 year ROI. That just doesn't work in the internet world. I guess only time will tell. Travis Microserv Peter R. wrote: I've spent much of this year analyzing the financials of Vonage and other companies. I just finished looking at VZ. (http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/03/vz-spending-billions.html) The numbers make no sense. But then under GAAP accounting its all about putting your numbers in the proper silo and never changing. Where does the money come from? Some of it is debt. Some of it is hardware financing. Some of it is IPO money. Some of it is a credit line. Some from investors. A little from revenue. George Rogato wrote: I think it's the money raised from the sale of stock. Because if the 180 doesn't leave any profit, what about all the radio and tv advertizing they do? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tropos
Meanwhile, mesh WiFi vendor Tropos, which supplies EarthLink Inc. with municipal kit, has unveiled a new citywide networking system that can support a number of different radio types -- from 802.11, to WiMax and 4.9GHz public safety systems. Tropos has been working on a multi-radio, multi-mode system for a while. Unstrung first heard about such a product back in July 2006. (See Mesh Mash-Up.) Such a system would allow operators to more easily support public and private access over one platform; as well as possibly providing different levels of speeds and services via WiFi and WiMax. http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=120432 -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For George - just because you were thinking of me.
I wonder if they know what the word multicast measn... John -Original Message- From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 08:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] For George - just because you were thinking of me. Even worse than the Friday night phenomenon is say Saturdays in the fall. Layne Sisk had some pretty nasty things to say about the IPTV solution used in Utah on football saturdays and how the usage would honestly bring the fiber ring to it knees. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, Below is Ken's latest Blog post, still a work in progress, since George brought it up he felt it was appropriate. Regards, Dawn DiPietro According to the A.C. Nielsen Co., the average American watches more than 4 hours of TV each day. http://www.csun.edu/science/health/docs/tvhealth.html Now, I would be the first to admit that there is an unknown percentage of time that the TV is on but not being watched in any given family but even if we assume that percentage is close to 50% (which I would guess is high) we can see that from the estimated five minutes per day the average American spent watching internet video (according to the comScore study) we could very well see a jump of some nearly 50 times that amount once a full palette of subject matter is presented on the Internet for viewing on demand. http://www.comscore.com/press/release.asp?press=1264 And which of society's groups of will be eager to take advantage of free Video On Demand? Why the people who can't afford to pay for these high dollar services or would prefer not to. The next question is, what kind of bandwidth will it take to deliver VoD per user? Let me qualify this question by laying some of the assumptions that will need to be addressed in this answer. First off, on the average Friday night, at 6:00PM, more than 50% of American households have more than one TV set on (read as more than one continuous video stream playing) and I would suggest this trend will continue, if not increase as the net-centric services improve. Secondly, if we are talking about IPTV bandwidth needs, we need to forecast that a 1.25Mbps sustained stream is necessary for one stream. If we move into the realm of high definition we are now looking at a rate of 14Mbps (uncompressed) with perhaps a chance of delivering reasonable quality using a 4Mbps sustained stream - per video is use. That does not take into account any bandwidth for telephone or Internet access, should these services be required. What we can see is that any network that is only capable of delivering sub 1Mbps speeds (as measured in real throughput) is now obsolete - we simply refuse to admit it yet. Of course, we can still continue to bury our heads in the sand and wait for the inevitable crisis. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tropos
http://www.adiengineering.com/php-bin/ecomm4/productDisplay.php?category_id=31product_id=81 Now you see why we like to roll our own. Peter R. wrote: Meanwhile, mesh WiFi vendor Tropos, which supplies EarthLink Inc. with municipal kit, has unveiled a new citywide networking system that can support a number of different radio types -- from 802.11, to WiMax and 4.9GHz public safety systems. Tropos has been working on a multi-radio, multi-mode system for a while. Unstrung first heard about such a product back in July 2006. (See Mesh Mash-Up.) Such a system would allow operators to more easily support public and private access over one platform; as well as possibly providing different levels of speeds and services via WiFi and WiMax. http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=120432 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
