Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Rogelio wrote: Some of the wireless vendors that I deal with have told me some horror stories about VARs / integrators who are extremely bad. I am aware of some of these, but there are not many. It mostly depends on what you want them to do for you. (1) How do you find good wireless VARs, particularly ones with the right mix of networking and RF skills? This is tough. There are several out there that have both, but not sure what your right mix is. If you are looking for engineering services for a specific project, I can certainly help with that. If you are looking for a general answer, then that is much tougher...there are many decent resellers out there. (2) Can you recommend any good ones to me, particularly ones who are willing to travel? Dpending on where the travel leads, I am both willing and knowledgable in both networking and RF planning. I don't sell a particular product, either, so I would be able to assist in ways many resellers would not. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Rogelio wrote: One of the areas I'm now looking at is municipality WiFi implementations, as well as 4.9 public safety networks for, say, police and fire department. Now I'm primarily looking at the mesh players (e.g. BelAir, Firetide, SkyPilot, MeshDynamic, Cisco) and am looking for info on what works (and doesn't work) on each one. I've seen SkyPilot and I can tell you it's not all it is cracked up to be. In fact, I have not seen a truly successful mesh product that gave all the benefits the sales guys claim. I haven't looked in a while, so perhaps that is not as bad as it used to be. Having said that, I have deployed a few networks that can provide most of the capabilities that a mesh network provides without the mess that mesh networks tend to create. I will happily discuss this with you offlist, as this will get dangerously close to advertising, and I don't want to do that onlist. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Jim Patient wrote: www.linktechs.net To be open and fair...this is a company Jim is affiliated with. Why don't you at least answer the question, or provide SOMETHING besides the ad -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: As for RF and networking skills, I don't think that the networking part is that big of a deal. Anyone can handle that part of your network from While this is partly true, there is significant benefit in engineering a network correctly from BOTH the RF side and IP side. In fact, I don't see how they can be separated, given that part of the engineering will involve equipment selection, which will be directly impacted by the needs of the network. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] n00b 802.16 questions
Rogelio Disappointment is only because of the press. People working on the designs, development and working with it day to day will tell you that it works very well based on what the true specs are of both the frequencies and area being testing in. Right now the only option you have for Wimax would be in the 3.65Ghz non-exclusive license which takes a bit more then and ISM band but thus far looks very promising. There are only a few companies that have equipment out right now but this will change in the next few months. Keep in mind that 3.65Ghz is Part-90 so the equipment MUST be FCC certified which is very time consuming! On a side note 99% of the articles I have read are all about Wimax in the 2.3Ghz(US), 2.5Ghz(US) or 3.5Ghz(International) which have nothing to do with most WISP in the US. The 802.16* spec was designed from the ground up for the outdoors use of IP data and to make the most use of the frequencies from 2Ghz to 11Ghz range. Another note is that the spec is was designed to be used in licensed range where interface is not an issues, there are some updates to the spec but non address anything that most WISP see in the real world under the ISM bands. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] n00b 802.16 questions Excuse the ignorance, but two basic questions: (1) Why exactly is wimax such a disappointment? I'm relatively new to the wireless space, and all I really understand is the tone of the articles I read, not really the IEEE specifications that limit it as a technology. AND (2) What is so special about 802.16e? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: As for RF and networking skills, I don't think that the networking part is that big of a deal. Anyone can handle that part of your network from While this is partly true, there is significant benefit in engineering a network correctly from BOTH the RF side and IP side. In fact, I don't see how they can be separated, given that part of the engineering will involve equipment selection, which will be directly impacted by the needs of the network. I've been doing networking stuff for a while, and I still have to pause and think for a second when it comes to IGMP, RSTP, etc. There areas in IP that one has to focus on and become way better on. I wouldn't say that it's easy, per se -- just a little different to what most people were used to. The more things change, the more they stay the same. If you're familiar with the fundamentals, then it's all variations of the same themes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 802.21 / IEEE for WISPA types
Just found out quite recently about 802.21 and what it'll supposedly do for interconnectivity between 802 and non-802 networks. Hate to admit this, but I didn't know that until, like, yesterday! lol How important is this for the WISPA group? And what other new IEEE standards should someone who wants to operate a WISPA start keeping track of? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 802.11 channel - Center Freq [MHz] - band mappings - UNII ?
Until recently, I haven't had to worry about doing anything other than simply specifiying an 802.11 channel on 1,6, or 11. Now, however, I see that there are way more channels available (12/13 in some countries for 802.11b; 53 through 67 / 94 through 175 for 802.11a), and I also see that there are U-NII 2, U-NII 2a, U-NII 3 classifications of this range, and that there are A, B, and C bands in here. Any idea on where I can find out more on this? Ideally, I could find one thing (picture, graph, sheet, etc) that tells me everything in one shot for quick reference. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
This is true. But the networking expertise is much easier done remotely than the RF stuff is. I know you already know that though :-) marlon - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators? On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: As for RF and networking skills, I don't think that the networking part is that big of a deal. Anyone can handle that part of your network from While this is partly true, there is significant benefit in engineering a network correctly from BOTH the RF side and IP side. In fact, I don't see how they can be separated, given that part of the engineering will involve equipment selection, which will be directly impacted by the needs of the network. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.21 / IEEE for WISPA types
I mostly watch actual shipping product. 802.11 and proprietary. Other than that, there are no real products out there these days I'm looking forward to a polling system that will also have good colo properties. But I keep waiting. marlon - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 5:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] 802.21 / IEEE for WISPA types Just found out quite recently about 802.21 and what it'll supposedly do for interconnectivity between 802 and non-802 networks. Hate to admit this, but I didn't know that until, like, yesterday! lol How important is this for the WISPA group? And what other new IEEE standards should someone who wants to operate a WISPA start keeping track of? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true. But the networking expertise is much easier done remotely than the RF stuff is. I know you already know that though :-) marlon True dat! I fire up PuTTY, do my thing, and often don't even where it's geographically located. (Don't suppose I can do this much longer, now that I'm getting into RF more!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.11 channel - Center Freq [MHz] - band mappings -UNII ?
I've not seen one this good that's current. But here's what I have so far. http://odessaoffice.com/wireless/power_levels.html marlon - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] 802.11 channel - Center Freq [MHz] - band mappings -UNII ? Until recently, I haven't had to worry about doing anything other than simply specifiying an 802.11 channel on 1,6, or 11. Now, however, I see that there are way more channels available (12/13 in some countries for 802.11b; 53 through 67 / 94 through 175 for 802.11a), and I also see that there are U-NII 2, U-NII 2a, U-NII 3 classifications of this range, and that there are A, B, and C bands in here. Any idea on where I can find out more on this? Ideally, I could find one thing (picture, graph, sheet, etc) that tells me everything in one shot for quick reference. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
Grin, yeah. That's one of the reasons it's been so hard for the big boys to do unlicensed. It really requires feet, good feet, on the ground. marlon - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators? On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true. But the networking expertise is much easier done remotely than the RF stuff is. I know you already know that though :-) marlon True dat! I fire up PuTTY, do my thing, and often don't even where it's geographically located. (Don't suppose I can do this much longer, now that I'm getting into RF more!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
The magic number is relevent to your region. @$35 per sub and 300sub, that wouldn't even cover the roof right fees in my neighborhood. The magic number depends on at one point your reoccurring costs can stop rising, proportional to your revenue. In my marget it wasn't about profitabilty, it was about capitol. Who could hold out longest until they reach a profitable stage in their growth. Ifyou pay $200/mon for an antenna, whethher its an antenna capable of 10 mb or 30mb or 300mb changes the game on whether the WISP can be profitable. If every time you add a customer you add a tower antenna, each costing/paying $200, adding a subscriber does not help pay for employees. Put up 500 custoemrs, and still can't pay for the employee. I think where key is is What is the physical limit of CPE that can be supported by a single Employee. If a WISP exceeds that, they won't be able to support their own growth. Prices and costs needs to be selected that will enable margin to pay for the Employee. If an employee can support 400 subs, then andthe employeecosts $40K, you better make sure 400 subs can yield a minimum margin of 40K. + what ever is needed to cover other costs. If I can get $2000/mon per sub and 40 subs, and get people to give me roof rights free, I can pay my salary with no employees. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? What are you charging per month? We are at 300 customers per employee and MRC is $35. Owner isn't sweating. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 12:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
Sure 1 person can support 600 subs. The problem is 1 tech can't be in two places at once. It requires a minimum of two techs, and for efficiencies, preferably 3. And what happens when thereis a global outage, and all 600 subs needed responded to at once? These are the factors that startup forget about. Ifyou already have 600 subs, it takes very little to support them, but to build 600 new subs, its a lot more time and work. And you got to pay your guys before thesubscriber count is where it needs to be. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? roflmao ONE person can't take care of 600 subs. Might work ok if you've got thousands and you do 600 per sub. In our case we have 120ish dialups, 60 or 70 fiber to the home and over 400 wireless and I have a gal in the office and I hire part time help when I have installs stacked up. So we're more in line with one body per 200 subs. I figure that a guy that keeps his day job and runs a part time WISP will make more net income than most any of us ever will. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 12:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grin, yeah. That's one of the reasons it's been so hard for the big boys to do unlicensed. It really requires feet, good feet, on the ground. marlon So, which vendors do you feel get it when it comes to addressing WISPA needs, particularly in the unlicensed wimax / wifi space? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
Valemount StarOS. Rogelio wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grin, yeah. That's one of the reasons it's been so hard for the big boys to do unlicensed. It really requires feet, good feet, on the ground. marlon So, which vendors do you feel get it when it comes to addressing WISPA needs, particularly in the unlicensed wimax / wifi space? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GSM - WiFi handover
Nigel Bruin wrote: On 19 Apr 2008, at 09:29, Christopher Orr wrote: Rogelio- I believe T-Mobile has that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the brand. Yup. UMA using Kineto equipment. Handover works well as long as you're not moving too fast. :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GSM - WiFi handover
My wife drove about 70 mph and maintaned a ssh session I was working in for 3 hours. Then I was done working so I turned off the box. Not bad :) -Original Message- From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] GSM - WiFi handover Nigel Bruin wrote: On 19 Apr 2008, at 09:29, Christopher Orr wrote: Rogelio- I believe T-Mobile has that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the brand. Yup. UMA using Kineto equipment. Handover works well as long as you're not moving too fast. :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, Rogelio wrote: I've been doing networking stuff for a while, and I still have to pause and think for a second when it comes to IGMP, RSTP, etc. Yup. There are many times I have to look at the documentation. I've been doing ISP networks since 1993. The more things change, the more they stay the same. If you're familiar with the fundamentals, then it's all variations of the same themes. This is true, however, it misses the point I was making. When engineering a network, one part of that task to to select equipment. There is some gear that is more suited to specific types of tasks than is other gear that can accomplish the same thing. My point was that the networking and RF parts of the engineering cannot be separated because both parts will affect what gear is used. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Future
What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
You forgot satellite which is picking up steam. Honestly. Now is the time to sell! (hence one of the reasons I sold last month.) Unless your servicing very rural area with almost no population. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 5:44 PM To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
I would disagree. We are adding 120-140 new subs every month in an area that has 200,000 population total (25,000 square miles). We have cable, DSL, 2.5ghz licensed WiMax, two other WISPs (using Canopy), etc. We are also not the cheapest service in town. You have to provide some value to your service. We offer local support, symmetrical speeds (upload is the same as download), free wireless firewall/router with install, real static IP address, etc. Travis Microserv Tom Warfield wrote: You forgot satellite which is picking up steam. Honestly. Now is the time to sell! (hence one of the reasons I sold last month.) Unless your servicing very rural area with almost no population. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 5:44 PM To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
I agree, now is not the time to sell. We are now just getting going . Soon everyone will have to have a broadband connection and that means we should be at least able to double our sizes quickly. Dial up is almost dead. Couldn't be soon enough. Travis Johnson wrote: I would disagree. We are adding 120-140 new subs every month in an area that has 200,000 population total (25,000 square miles). We have cable, DSL, 2.5ghz licensed WiMax, two other WISPs (using Canopy), etc. We are also not the cheapest service in town. You have to provide some value to your service. We offer local support, symmetrical speeds (upload is the same as download), free wireless firewall/router with install, real static IP address, etc. Travis Microserv Tom Warfield wrote: You forgot satellite which is picking up steam. Honestly. Now is the time to sell! (hence one of the reasons I sold last month.) Unless your servicing very rural area with almost no population. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 5:44 PM To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
I think this message would best be answered by what the FCC is going to do. They seem to squash or auction everything (i.e. BPL, 700Mhz, DSL line sharing, telcos not having to share fiber, etc...) we can get to compete with the big guys in a real effective way. The guys in the big markets that are doing OK now, might should really think about how the market is moving. Yea, you can compete with speed at the moment, but more and more higher bandwidth applications are coming, and full blast. The wireless equipment operators are not making the equipment we need, nor or we getting the spectrum we need to compete with what cable and telcos are able to offer now and will soon be offering in the tier1 markets. If you are where their is little or no availability of broadband, or where your competition absolutely sucks, we have some time before this will affect us...I am very rural with only 3 meg DSL to compete against. As long as the FCC thinks that Cable and Telcos are enough competition in broadband, I think we have a long uphill battle in store. Just my 2 cents worth. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:44:04 -0500 What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
We are still making money on dial-up... with over 600 accounts still active (at $19.95/month) it still provides a good revenue stream. ;) Travis Microserv George wrote: I agree, now is not the time to sell. We are now just getting going . Soon everyone will have to have a broadband connection and that means we should be at least able to double our sizes quickly. Dial up is almost dead. Couldn't be soon enough. Travis Johnson wrote: I would disagree. We are adding 120-140 new subs every month in an area that has 200,000 population total (25,000 square miles). We have cable, DSL, 2.5ghz licensed WiMax, two other WISPs (using Canopy), etc. We are also not the cheapest service in town. You have to provide some value to your service. We offer local support, symmetrical speeds (upload is the same as download), free wireless firewall/router with install, real static IP address, etc. Travis Microserv Tom Warfield wrote: You forgot satellite which is picking up steam. Honestly. Now is the time to sell! (hence one of the reasons I sold last month.) Unless your servicing very rural area with almost no population. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 5:44 PM To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
So, would the next five years be a viable time to start a WISP, or is the future really set for those already established WISPs? Thanks, Ryan WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
Hmm, one employee, that would be me, I'm also the secretary, janitor, installer, tech support, and the list goes on. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? How many employees you got over there Kurt? Went through your web site, very nice indeed. I like your testimonials and history section. Keep up the good work, I think your a success. George Kurt Fankhauser wrote: What are you charging per month? We are at 300 customers per employee and MRC is $35. Owner isn't sweating. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
Start a WISP now and quick, like someone else said, everyone will need broadband pretty soon even if they don't want it, websites are NOT getting less complex... I've noticed a lot of new installs now just because the kids want to play XBOX live and stuff like that. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future So, would the next five years be a viable time to start a WISP, or is the future really set for those already established WISPs? Thanks, Ryan WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
