Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing
Whitespaces devices should not need to rely on circles on a map as these never quite reflect the reality of coverage. Hills, buildings, noise levels etc. never show up. I know, we use that method for some of our marketing. It's a good estimate, but signal checks are still the only really effective mechanism for finding coverage zones. The TV contours we are talking about protecting are not just simple circles on a map. They are based on the FCC criteria (for which I can not quote off the top of my head, but it is published) that the broadcasters must submit which then defines that particular TV station contour. I have attached a map image for the state of Washington showing all the combined analog and digital TV contours for ALL channels on file with the FCC. Many of them overlap and some look like circles because if you do an RF propagation at some of these sites using 50,000 watts you will get pretty close to a circle result. These contours are part of the criteria we are proposing to use in the goelocation database. Those contours are already defined by the FCC and we are obligated to protect those licensed users for that particular area. It's not a random choice and it's certainly not just a circle drawn on a map. This comes from years of already established RF engineering principles and rules. Some of those defined by the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) and thus by treaty, the FCC and US government are obligated to obey. You can further drill down on this type of data by channel. I also attached images showing only the UHF contours and one for only channels 31 and 32. Keep in mind these images include the current analog stations. Once they go off the air this picture will change a great deal. The maps are just meant to illustrate that this is a much more complex process than just drawing circles on a map. This also should help illustrate exactly what the white space spectrum potential can be nationwide when looked at channel by channel. H. Interesting. From the looks of that map I should have several channels that will work well over the air. We're within what looks like coverage of at least 4 channels. Problem is, we don't get USABLE signal for more than one. You bring up a good point and I'm glad to learn this. I'll try to figure out some new phrasology. But my point isn't changed by it. *I* still have no TV coverage to speak of here so why not use the spectrum for broadband? The new devices should be held to a high standard for OOB emissions. I think there should be two different standards. In one standard the devices aren't allowed to use the adjacent channels. But if a device is able to limit it's OOB emissions sufficiently to protect the broadcasters the adjacent channels should be allowed to be used. It's also time to start implementing some of the Spectrum Policy Task Force's (SPTF) suggestions for improving the way spectrum is used. TV broadcasting has remained basically static for what, 50+ years now? Same channel sizes, same power output etc. With the change to DTV the commission should follow it's own advice and implement receiver standards instead of only transmitter standards. Whitespaces devices AND TV sets/converters should both be held to a minimum OOB rejection level of some kind. I don't know what the receive sensitivity is on the average TV set but based on performance in my local area it's not very good these days. I think I've run into less than 5 homes using over the air TV in the last 2 or 3 years. When it became possible to get local channels via sat. signals everyone moved to the better picture mechanisms that come with non broadcast services. I don't know if you have tried off the air digital TV yet but you should. First of all the current stations are running a fraction of their concurrent analog station power levels. This is to protect adjacent market analog stations on the same channels. Once February comes around they will be turning those DTV stations up to maximum power. I have used a few devices with ATSC digital tuners in them and I can tell you there is one hell of a difference in DTV over analog. It looks just like satellite quality when it works and if you compare it to the same analog broadcast, I have seen some stations look perfect in DTV where I could hardly make out the picture in analog mode. Another thing the DTV broadcasters have the option of doing is to multiplex up more than one programming channel on their broadcast in digital. I have seen many stations run three or four separate channels on their DTV carrier. That up to a 4 fold increase in spectrum efficiency. You may want to reconsider your point on that subject. I've heard that. But out here, there are NO DTV channels currently available. And we're not likely to cancel our satellite service now anyway. But those are issues that the FCC is paid to deal with.
Re: [WISPA] Pipe mount
www.ronard.com has Vent Pipe mounts. On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: What are you guys using to mount something like a RooTenna to a vent pipe on a roof? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade
There is no channel one. ;-) To do a little more homework... At my house, according to AntennaWeb, I can get channels (now referring to digital only, since after February, that's all that will remain). 12, 13, 16, 19, 23, 27, 29, 31, 36, 38, 41, 42, 43, 45, 50, 51, 52, and 59 and AntennaWeb says that the list is conservative and that I may be able to receive more. Under WISPA's proposal, these channels would be unavailable: 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 58, 59, and 60. These would be my usable channels: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 21, 25, 33, 34, 47, 48, 54, 55, 56, and 57. A total of 114 MHz. Just to mention, someone mentioned channel size. TV channels are 6 MHz wide, but I believe the IEEE plans for the TV whitespaces include channel bonding, allowing us to do something usable with them. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:23 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade To keep things simple, I'll speak to analog channels. Channels 2, 5, 7, 9, 11, 26, 32, 44, and 50 are the major Chicago stations. If I try to use channel 9 around here with sensing, I deserve to get kicked out. Sensing should allow me to be closer to Davenport, IA's channel 6 based on real world measurements than what an extremely conservative database would permit. The database would take into account worst case actions. The sensing would take into account what the radio is actually doing. Under the proposal the following stations will be totally off limits to you in any licensed lite way. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,25,26,27,31,32,33,43,44,45,49,50, and, finally, 51. No technology improvements would give those channels to you without an FCC rule update. And we've been working on this issue for what, 4 years now? Sure takes a big bite out of what you could have done! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] easily importing long/lat into Google Earth
KMZ file? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] easily importing long/lat into Google Earth How do you import longitude and latitude data into google earth? (I'm googling on how to do it, but don't see an easy answer) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How much spectrum will we get with whitespaces?
That's great work Brian! Very cool stuff. To me, that helps to illustrate why adjacent channels are going to be so important to so many markets. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] How much spectrum will we get with whitespaces? I have been digging around the Digital TV transition rules and the Whitespaces data. From what I can tell, the spectrum allocated for whitespaces will be between TV Channels 21 and 51 excluding channel 37 (didn't find out why that is). So that represents 29-6 MHz wide channels or 174 MHz! That's a lot of potential spectrum! Now in my GIS program I was trying to see if I could map out the areas channel by channel to show how much of the US would have whitespaces available. I think I will have to wait for that until after February 2009. It seems that there are provisions for low power and translator stations, that give them the ability to move channels once the transition is complete by the high power broadcast stations. This will more than likely change the current TV contours maintained by the FCC (latest version I have is 7/28/08). It was also worth noting that the DTV stations are required to reduce their power levels and are permitted only one fifth the power they were under analog rules (which helps explain their resistance to unlicensed devices). This should also change the footprint of the TV contours and thus probably open up some geographic areas that right now look to be protected by looking at their analog contour. So, the bottom line I have concluded is that we can't really see what or where some of the RF crowded markets may be able to do with whitespaces. It is certain though that areas that already show to be clear will remain that way, and that more areas of the US may also become clear areas without any TV coverage in them whatsoever (at least in the whitespaces channels). In my research there have been many quotes by people like the New America Foundation as to how many channels will be cleared up by the DTV transition. Fact of the matter is, they are wrong due to the fact that the FCC and station owners have not yet finished all the channel swapping and we won't have a clear picture of that for some time after the February cutover date. This is due to the rules established for the Low Power (LPTV) and translator stations. http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/dtv-tvtx.html I have attached a nationwide map of all the TV contours in the whitespaces range as of July 2008. This is only to illustrate the areas that will undoubtedly have spectrum available. This map does not show an accurate picture channel by channel and still shows the analog stations that may go off the air or reduce their footprints after February 2009. Due to the size of the legend I made that a separate file. Because of station contour overlap you may not be able to see each contour for each station in this map. The colors layered with the highest channels on top. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade
- Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade There is no channel one. ;-) To do a little more homework... Oh good grief. It's just an example! grin At my house, according to AntennaWeb, I can get channels (now referring to digital only, since after February, that's all that will remain). 12, 13, 16, 19, 23, 27, 29, 31, 36, 38, 41, 42, 43, 45, 50, 51, 52, and 59 and AntennaWeb says that the list is conservative and that I may be able to receive more. Under WISPA's proposal, these channels would be unavailable: 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 58, 59, and 60. These would be my usable channels: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 21, 25, 33, 34, 47, 48, 54, 55, 56, and 57. A total of 114 MHz. I had forgotten but Brian's recent email about how many channels fall into the whitespaces issue is right. It does NOT include all TV channels. Sounds like a couple will be reserved for mics. Some are already set for public safety etc. If he's right then you are down to 10 available channels in your example. Or 60 mhz. Even less than we have at 2.4ghz. It's still much better than nothing. But if we had those adjacent channels you'd have a potential for another 120mhz of spectrum! Jack might be right, it may be technically impossible to ever make devices clean enough to use adjacent channels. But I for one am more that happy to say that the rules should allow for it if the technology can ever get the job done. laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How much spectrum will we get with whitespaces?
Keep in mind that many of the contours on this map will go away after February. Most broadcasters have two channels on air to support both analog and digital. They will be turning off their digital stations that go back to the FCC and the DTV stations remaining run at 80% less power than the analog stations. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much spectrum will we get with whitespaces? That's great work Brian! Very cool stuff. To me, that helps to illustrate why adjacent channels are going to be so important to so many markets. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] How much spectrum will we get with whitespaces? I have been digging around the Digital TV transition rules and the Whitespaces data. From what I can tell, the spectrum allocated for whitespaces will be between TV Channels 21 and 51 excluding channel 37 (didn't find out why that is). So that represents 29-6 MHz wide channels or 174 MHz! That's a lot of potential spectrum! Now in my GIS program I was trying to see if I could map out the areas channel by channel to show how much of the US would have whitespaces available. I think I will have to wait for that until after February 2009. It seems that there are provisions for low power and translator stations, that give them the ability to move channels once the transition is complete by the high power broadcast stations. This will more than likely change the current TV contours maintained by the FCC (latest version I have is 7/28/08). It was also worth noting that the DTV stations are required to reduce their power levels and are permitted only one fifth the power they were under analog rules (which helps explain their resistance to unlicensed devices). This should also change the footprint of the TV contours and thus probably open up some geographic areas that right now look to be protected by looking at their analog contour. So, the bottom line I have concluded is that we can't really see what or where some of the RF crowded markets may be able to do with whitespaces. It is certain though that areas that already show to be clear will remain that way, and that more areas of the US may also become clear areas without any TV coverage in them whatsoever (at least in the whitespaces channels). In my research there have been many quotes by people like the New America Foundation as to how many channels will be cleared up by the DTV transition. Fact of the matter is, they are wrong due to the fact that the FCC and station owners have not yet finished all the channel swapping and we won't have a clear picture of that for some time after the February cutover date. This is due to the rules established for the Low Power (LPTV) and translator stations. http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/dtv-tvtx.html I have attached a nationwide map of all the TV contours in the whitespaces range as of July 2008. This is only to illustrate the areas that will undoubtedly have spectrum available. This map does not show an accurate picture channel by channel and still shows the analog stations that may go off the air or reduce their footprints after February 2009. Due to the size of the legend I made that a separate file. Because of station contour overlap you may not be able to see each contour for each station in this map. The colors layered with the highest channels on top. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How much spectrum will we get with whitespaces?
Sorry made a mistake, they will be turning off their analog stations. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:18 PM To: Marlon K. Schafer; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much spectrum will we get with whitespaces? Keep in mind that many of the contours on this map will go away after February. Most broadcasters have two channels on air to support both analog and digital. They will be turning off their digital stations that go back to the FCC and the DTV stations remaining run at 80% less power than the analog stations. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much spectrum will we get with whitespaces? That's great work Brian! Very cool stuff. To me, that helps to illustrate why adjacent channels are going to be so important to so many markets. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] How much spectrum will we get with whitespaces? I have been digging around the Digital TV transition rules and the Whitespaces data. From what I can tell, the spectrum allocated for whitespaces will be between TV Channels 21 and 51 excluding channel 37 (didn't find out why that is). So that represents 29-6 MHz wide channels or 174 MHz! That's a lot of potential spectrum! Now in my GIS program I was trying to see if I could map out the areas channel by channel to show how much of the US would have whitespaces available. I think I will have to wait for that until after February 2009. It seems that there are provisions for low power and translator stations, that give them the ability to move channels once the transition is complete by the high power broadcast stations. This will more than likely change the current TV contours maintained by the FCC (latest version I have is 7/28/08). It was also worth noting that the DTV stations are required to reduce their power levels and are permitted only one fifth the power they were under analog rules (which helps explain their resistance to unlicensed devices). This should also change the footprint of the TV contours and thus probably open up some geographic areas that right now look to be protected by looking at their analog contour. So, the bottom line I have concluded is that we can't really see what or where some of the RF crowded markets may be able to do with whitespaces. It is certain though that areas that already show to be clear will remain that way, and that more areas of the US may also become clear areas without any TV coverage in them whatsoever (at least in the whitespaces channels). In my research there have been many quotes by people like the New America Foundation as to how many channels will be cleared up by the DTV transition. Fact of the matter is, they are wrong due to the fact that the FCC and station owners have not yet finished all the channel swapping and we won't have a clear picture of that for some time after the February cutover date. This is due to the rules established for the Low Power (LPTV) and translator stations. http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/dtv-tvtx.html I have attached a nationwide map of all the TV contours in the whitespaces range as of July 2008. This is only to illustrate the areas that will undoubtedly have spectrum available. This map does not show an accurate picture channel by channel and still shows the analog stations that may go off the air or reduce their footprints after February 2009. Due to the size of the legend I made that a separate file. Because of station contour overlap you may not be able to see each contour for each station in this map. The colors layered with the highest channels on top. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing
On the multiple TV channels on the same RF channel... I believe in that case, it's 1x HD or multiple SD. In the age of HD, you still only get 1 channel. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing Marlon, This is probably one of your best filings to date. Nicely done and well written. I have a few comments and/or suggestions in line. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing Hi All, Here is my first draft of an FCC filing on the 04-186 white spaces issue. To file your own comments go here: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi Enter 04-186 into the blue box. Follow the instructions. The main location for filing docs is: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/ You can search for existing filings there. I'd love to have people's input on this filing. Any and all comments are desired, pro or con. I'll try to file this late on Monday. Dear Ms. Dortch, Odessa Office Equipment is one of the nations first WISP operators. We started our ISP in the spring of 1997 and installed our first wireless system in the winter of 1999/2000. We now cover parts of 4 counties in eastern Washington state. The bulk of our coverage is in western Lincoln and eastern Grant counties. Lincoln county has approximately 10,000 citizens with Grant county coming in at about 40,000. These are also some of the geographically largest counties in the state. We have roughly 6000 square miles of coverage serviced by about 30 transmit sites, most with multiple access points. Due to the low power restrictions in the 5.3 and 5.4 GHz bands we are not able to use those bands to service customers in any meaningful fashion. Almost all of our network has been built using WiFi based devices at 2.4 GHz. This has been mainly due to cost and range considerations. However, as you know the tragedy of the commons has created a huge problem in the 2.4 GHz band. When I first started operations there were a large number of cell phone and public safety backhaul systems in place. Mainly using Western Multiplex (or the older Glenair gear) always on systems that typically used all or most of the band per link. Naturally most of those systems were also located on the higher ground that we also needed to use. Over the years we have gotten quite good at using coverage zone, antenna polarity, and power level tuning to allow us to operate in that environment. But now, most of those systems have been replaced with licensed point to point links. In their place we see a HUGE number of unlicensed devices. In my home town of Odessa a brief scan (about 60 seconds) for WiFI access points done by only one of my AP's shows that it detects around 80 other AP's. This may not seem like many, but please remember that Odessa is in a bowl, nothing is being detected from out of town and there are less than 1000 people living here! In Ephrata, that same test, done from a distance of about one mile and with a 45* sector netted 99 AP's in a one minute scan! We are also seeing a significant problem with system to system interference. Or, self inflicted interference. Due to practical client per AP limitations and interference rejection we often have more than one AP per site. For more info on this problem and how we try to deal with it please see: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3756431 As you can see, a better standard in an outdoor friendly band is desperately needed if we are to meet the next decade's needs in the broadband industry. As the only viable 3rd rail of broadband the FCC should insure that WISPs can continue to service rural un or under served markets as well as force competition in more dense markets. By and large I agree with WISPA's stance on Whitespaces. A licensed lite approach brings several self evident advantages to the table. I fully support the concept. Knowing that almost all WISPs are self funded and often self staffed it's important that care be taken to insure that any licensing mechanism is inexpensive in both dollars and time. I also agree that much higher power levels are needed today in much of the country. If there are trees in the area it takes power to penetrate them in meaningful distances. In open ground long distances are needed (30 to 40 mile cell sizes should be an option). In my area we have rolling hills, tree lines as windbreaks and line of site in the 50 to 60 mile ranges. 30 to 40 mile line of
Re: [WISPA] easily importing long/lat into Google Earth
How do you import longitude and latitude data into google earth? (I'm googling on how to do it, but don't see an easy answer) If you're using Google Earth Pro ($20 a year), you can feed it a spreadsheet with up to 100 individual items. If you do this sort of thing a lot, or have more than 100 items to map at a time, Microsoft MapPoint may be worth looking into as well. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] importing addresses into google maps.
I have MySQL database the has our nogo's, pending surveys and pending installs listed in there. I would like to be able to show them in google maps. Is there an api that will import the addresses from a MySQl database and display those address on a webpage with google maps? Thanks, John Buwa Michiana Wireless WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing
today, yeah. But give it a couple of years. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing On the multiple TV channels on the same RF channel... I believe in that case, it's 1x HD or multiple SD. In the age of HD, you still only get 1 channel. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing Marlon, This is probably one of your best filings to date. Nicely done and well written. I have a few comments and/or suggestions in line. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing Hi All, Here is my first draft of an FCC filing on the 04-186 white spaces issue. To file your own comments go here: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi Enter 04-186 into the blue box. Follow the instructions. The main location for filing docs is: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/ You can search for existing filings there. I'd love to have people's input on this filing. Any and all comments are desired, pro or con. I'll try to file this late on Monday. Dear Ms. Dortch, Odessa Office Equipment is one of the nations first WISP operators. We started our ISP in the spring of 1997 and installed our first wireless system in the winter of 1999/2000. We now cover parts of 4 counties in eastern Washington state. The bulk of our coverage is in western Lincoln and eastern Grant counties. Lincoln county has approximately 10,000 citizens with Grant county coming in at about 40,000. These are also some of the geographically largest counties in the state. We have roughly 6000 square miles of coverage serviced by about 30 transmit sites, most with multiple access points. Due to the low power restrictions in the 5.3 and 5.4 GHz bands we are not able to use those bands to service customers in any meaningful fashion. Almost all of our network has been built using WiFi based devices at 2.4 GHz. This has been mainly due to cost and range considerations. However, as you know the tragedy of the commons has created a huge problem in the 2.4 GHz band. When I first started operations there were a large number of cell phone and public safety backhaul systems in place. Mainly using Western Multiplex (or the older Glenair gear) always on systems that typically used all or most of the band per link. Naturally most of those systems were also located on the higher ground that we also needed to use. Over the years we have gotten quite good at using coverage zone, antenna polarity, and power level tuning to allow us to operate in that environment. But now, most of those systems have been replaced with licensed point to point links. In their place we see a HUGE number of unlicensed devices. In my home town of Odessa a brief scan (about 60 seconds) for WiFI access points done by only one of my AP's shows that it detects around 80 other AP's. This may not seem like many, but please remember that Odessa is in a bowl, nothing is being detected from out of town and there are less than 1000 people living here! In Ephrata, that same test, done from a distance of about one mile and with a 45* sector netted 99 AP's in a one minute scan! We are also seeing a significant problem with system to system interference. Or, self inflicted interference. Due to practical client per AP limitations and interference rejection we often have more than one AP per site. For more info on this problem and how we try to deal with it please see: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3756431 As you can see, a better standard in an outdoor friendly band is desperately needed if we are to meet the next decade's needs in the broadband industry. As the only viable 3rd rail of broadband the FCC should insure that WISPs can continue to service rural un or under served markets as well as force competition in more dense markets. By and large I agree with WISPA's stance on Whitespaces. A licensed lite approach brings several self evident advantages to the table. I fully support the concept. Knowing that almost all WISPs are self funded and often self staffed it's important that care be taken to insure that any licensing mechanism is inexpensive in both dollars and time. I also agree that much higher power levels are needed today in much of the country. If there are trees in the area it takes
Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: These data points would include geographic coordinates, antenna beam width, transmitter power, antenna height, antenna polarization and antenna azimuth, which in turn could be used to calculate D/U (desired/undesired) protection ratios, geographic separation or any other defined measure of interference protection, as determined in this proceeding. After the data entry process, ULS would notify the registrant whether the proposed facilities are predicted to cause interference. If no interference to a primary licensee or a previously registered base station is predicted, the facilities could be placed in operation and, as described below, the Commission's database would be updated to show the new base station. If interference to a primary licensee is predicted, the registration would be rejected and the registrant could then propose alternative facilities. Although previously registered base stations would not be protected from interference from subsequent base stations, if interference to a previously registered base station is predicted, the prospective registrant could then propose alternative facilities so that neither party would suffer actual interference. I'm not sure how else to interperate this section Brian. It clearly says that there can be no new stations that will interfere with an existing operator. Primary or registered base station. You missed the following portion of that paragraph: In the unlikely event that no non-interfering base station facilities could be designed through techniques such as location changes, power reductions, antenna polarity changes or channel selection, the registrant and the incumbent registrant would be obligated to negotiate in good faith to coordinate their facilities for a period of 30 days and keep records of their discussions in case the information is needed by the Commission.. The proposal from WISPA basically says: 1) If you ask to use a completely clear channel, the license-light will be granted. .. If no interference to a primary licensee or a previously registered base station is predicted, the facilities could be placed in operation and, as described below, the Commission's database would be updated to show the new base station 2) If you ask to use a channel which would interfere with a TV station, the license-light will be rejected. If interference to a primary licensee is predicted, the registration would be rejected and the registrant could then propose alternative facilities. 3) If you ask to use a channel which would interfere with another license-light user, then the system will notify you that interference is likely and will give you an opportunity to ask for a different channel. If you can't find one, it will let you register anyways, and you and the incumbent will have to work it out. And the incumbent is required to negotiate with you. if interference to a previously registered base station is predicted, the prospective registrant could then propose alternative facilities so that neither party would suffer actual interference. [OR] In the unlikely event that no non-interfering base station facilities could be designed through techniques such as location changes, power reductions, antenna polarity changes or channel selection, the registrant and the incumbent registrant would be obligated to negotiate in good faith to coordinate their facilities for a period of 30 days and keep records of their discussions in case the information is needed by the Commission. -forrest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Whitespaces take two
Here's version number 2: Odessa Office Equipment is one of the nations first WISP operators. We started our ISP in the spring of 1997 and installed our first wireless system in the winter of 1999/2000. We now cover parts of 4 counties in eastern Washington state. The bulk of our coverage is in western Lincoln and eastern Grant counties. Lincoln county has approximately 10,000 citizens with Grant county coming in at about 40,000. These are also some of the geographically largest counties in the state. We have roughly 6000 square miles of coverage serviced by about 30 transmit sites, most with multiple access points. Due to the low power restrictions in the 5.3 and 5.4 GHz bands we are not able to use those bands to service customers in any meaningful fashion. Almost all of our network has been built using WiFi based devices at 2.4 GHz. This has been mainly due to cost and range considerations. However, as you know the tragedy of the commons has created a huge problem in the 2.4 GHz band. When I first started operations there were a large number of cell phone and public safety backhaul systems in place. Mainly using Western Multiplex (or the older Glenair (sp?) gear) always on systems that typically used all or most of the band per link. Naturally most of those systems were also located on the higher ground that we also needed to use. Over the years we have gotten quite good at using coverage zone, antenna polarity, and power level tuning to allow us to operate in that environment. But now, most of those systems have been replaced with licensed point to point links. In their place we see a HUGE number of unlicensed devices. In my home town of Odessa a brief scan (about 60 seconds) for WiFI access points done by only one of my AP's shows that it detects around 80 other AP's. This may not seem like many, but please remember that Odessa is in a bowl, nothing is being detected from out of town and there are less than 1000 people living here! In Ephrata, that same test, done from a distance of about one mile and with a 45* sector netted 99 AP's in a one minute scan! We are also seeing a significant problem with system to system interference. Or, self inflicted interference. Due to practical client per AP limitations and interference rejection we often have more than one AP per site. For more info on this problem and how we try to deal with it please see: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3756431 As you can see, a better standard in an outdoor friendly band is desperately needed if we are to meet the next decade's needs in the broadband industry. As the only viable 3rd rail of broadband the FCC should insure that WISPs can continue to service rural un or under served markets as well as force competition in more dense markets. By and large I agree with WISPA's stance on Whitespaces. A licensed lite approach brings several self evident advantages to the table. I fully support the concept. Knowing that almost all WISPs are self funded and often self staffed it's important that care be taken to insure that any licensing mechanism is inexpensive in both dollars and time. This may also be a good time to tie the right to use spectrum to the existing reporting requirements. I disagree that the government has any business requiring compliance with the form 477. It's more important that coverage zones be tracked than customer bases. And if the government wishes to know such information they should spend the time and money to gather the data, not pass those expenses onto us. However, I can see a case being made that only those that follow the rules and file their 477's should have access to any possible new bands. I'm not advocating for or against this stance, just tossing out the idea for consideration. I also agree with WISPA, fiber tower and others, that much higher power levels are needed today in much of the country. If there are trees in the area it takes power to penetrate them at meaningful distances. In open ground long distances are needed (30 to 40 mile cell sizes should be a viable option). In my area we have rolling hills, tree lines as windbreaks and line of site in the 50 to 60 mile range. 30 to 40 mile line of site is commonplace. We have to reach out a LONG way and be able to plow through the windbreaks (sometimes several). We also have to have sufficient capacity on those long range networks to use them as feeds to repeaters as we shoot down the canyons in our area. Personally, I'd like to see extremely rural areas allowed to use even more than 20 watts of transmit power at the radio. I'd like to see a scale, something like 200 miles from a top 50 MSO, 40 watts. Less than 200 miles 20 watts. Maybe 10 or 20 miles would be 10 watts or less. I'd also like to see a geolocation and/or sensing mechanism put in place under the rules. Set reasonably high standards of protection
Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing
- Original Message - From: Forrest W Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing Marlon K. Schafer wrote: These data points would include geographic coordinates, antenna beam width, transmitter power, antenna height, antenna polarization and antenna azimuth, which in turn could be used to calculate D/U (desired/undesired) protection ratios, geographic separation or any other defined measure of interference protection, as determined in this proceeding. After the data entry process, ULS would notify the registrant whether the proposed facilities are predicted to cause interference. If no interference to a primary licensee or a previously registered base station is predicted, the facilities could be placed in operation and, as described below, the Commission's database would be updated to show the new base station. If interference to a primary licensee is predicted, the registration would be rejected and the registrant could then propose alternative facilities. Although previously registered base stations would not be protected from interference from subsequent base stations, if interference to a previously registered base station is predicted, the prospective registrant could then propose alternative facilities so that neither party would suffer actual interference. I'm not sure how else to interperate this section Brian. It clearly says that there can be no new stations that will interfere with an existing operator. Primary or registered base station. You missed the following portion of that paragraph: In the unlikely event that no non-interfering base station facilities could be designed through techniques such as location changes, power reductions, antenna polarity changes or channel selection, the registrant and the incumbent registrant would be obligated to negotiate in good faith to coordinate their facilities for a period of 30 days and keep records of their discussions in case the information is needed by the Commission.. I didn't miss that. I tossed it out as unhelpful. Location changes? That's not usually going to be an option out here. I'm not going to abandon a current tower site without a fight. And a 30 day delay PLUS however long it takes the commission to issue a ruling to an unlicensed operator? No thanks. There has to be a better way. The proposal from WISPA basically says: 1) If you ask to use a completely clear channel, the license-light will be granted. .. If no interference to a primary licensee or a previously registered base station is predicted, the facilities could be placed in operation and, as described below, the Commission's database would be updated to show the new base station Right. 2) If you ask to use a channel which would interfere with a TV station, the license-light will be rejected. If interference to a primary licensee is predicted, the registration would be rejected and the registrant could then propose alternative facilities. OK. 3) If you ask to use a channel which would interfere with another license-light user, then the system will notify you that interference is likely and will give you an opportunity to ask for a different channel. If you can't find one, it will let you register anyways, and you and the incumbent will have to work it out. And the incumbent is required to negotiate with you. if interference to a previously registered base station is predicted, the prospective registrant could then propose alternative facilities so that neither party would suffer actual interference. [OR] In the unlikely event that no non-interfering base station facilities could be designed through techniques such as location changes, power reductions, antenna polarity changes or channel selection, the registrant and the incumbent registrant would be obligated to negotiate in good faith to coordinate their facilities for a period of 30 days and keep records of their discussions in case the information is needed by the Commission. This whole section is back assward. We should simply say where we want to put in a system and the licensing mechanism should tell us what channels are available. Why should we have to sit there and fiddle with anything hoping that we can land on an open channel? Sorry but as far as I'm concerned this is a very poorly worded and unworkable solution. marlon -forrest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ****Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments!****
When I search 04-186, I don't get WISPA's current comment. Only one filed 4 years ago. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! Is there a search feature for the comments? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Motorola Canopy User Group' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'WISPA Board Members List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'STEPHEN E. CORAN' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA's FCC Committee' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! Wispa Members and List Users, Yesterday, WISPA filed our Ex Parte Comments for FCC Docket 04-186, Unlicensed Operation in the TV Broadcast Bands Additional Spectrum for unlicensed devices below 900 MHz and in the 3 GHz band. The submission can be found at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520176838 id_document=6520176838. Please review our comments first. Jack Unger, Steve Coran of Rini/Coran and the entire FCC Committee spent hours lobbying, discussing, researching and writing these comments which encourage unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces which will be opened up in Feb. 2009 due to the Digital TV transition. We owe all of these people many thanks and it is our responsibility to support their efforts by submitting our support through individual comments. While reviewing the comments on the FCC website this morning, it became apparent to me that there is stiff competition from the AV industry against this proposal. I reviewed nearly 300 comments from people all over the US in opposition to this FCC proposal. I did see several which supported the use of these bands for Wireless Broadband but we are heavily outnumbered. There are currently over 30,000 comments filed under this docket. Others see how important this is, our industry needs to understand it as well. It is my responsibility to all of the WISP operators to encourage each of you to file your comments in full support of the WISPA Ex Parte Comments or at least partial support with clarification if you oppose some part of our comments. I will be filing my comments as soon as I finish this email. This is a huge opportunity for each of us to help educate the FCC commissioners on the importance of opening up this valuable spectrum to unlicensed (light licensed) operation for wireless broadband. You can review all comments at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts?ws_mode=ret rieve_list http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts?ws_mode=re trieve_listid_proceeding=04-186 id_proceeding=04-186. Please go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1009000856|04-186|TV+White+S paces http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1009000856|04-186|TV+White+ SpacesSend=Continue Send=Continue to file your comments today. The deadline is quickly approaching with the FCC Commissioners set to publicize the rules for these bands on November 4th. It is essential that you take 5-10 minutes out of your busy schedule today or tomorrow to write and file your comments. Rick Harnish President WISPA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] ****Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments!****
I searched for Wireless Internet Service Provider and found 8 records. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! When I search 04-186, I don't get WISPA's current comment. Only one filed 4 years ago. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! Is there a search feature for the comments? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Motorola Canopy User Group' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'WISPA Board Members List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'STEPHEN E. CORAN' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA's FCC Committee' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! Wispa Members and List Users, Yesterday, WISPA filed our Ex Parte Comments for FCC Docket 04-186, Unlicensed Operation in the TV Broadcast Bands Additional Spectrum for unlicensed devices below 900 MHz and in the 3 GHz band. The submission can be found at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520176838 id_document=6520176838. Please review our comments first. Jack Unger, Steve Coran of Rini/Coran and the entire FCC Committee spent hours lobbying, discussing, researching and writing these comments which encourage unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces which will be opened up in Feb. 2009 due to the Digital TV transition. We owe all of these people many thanks and it is our responsibility to support their efforts by submitting our support through individual comments. While reviewing the comments on the FCC website this morning, it became apparent to me that there is stiff competition from the AV industry against this proposal. I reviewed nearly 300 comments from people all over the US in opposition to this FCC proposal. I did see several which supported the use of these bands for Wireless Broadband but we are heavily outnumbered. There are currently over 30,000 comments filed under this docket. Others see how important this is, our industry needs to understand it as well. It is my responsibility to all of the WISP operators to encourage each of you to file your comments in full support of the WISPA Ex Parte Comments or at least partial support with clarification if you oppose some part of our comments. I will be filing my comments as soon as I finish this email. This is a huge opportunity for each of us to help educate the FCC commissioners on the importance of opening up this valuable spectrum to unlicensed (light licensed) operation for wireless broadband. You can review all comments at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts?ws_mode=ret rieve_list http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts?ws_mode=re trieve_listid_proceeding=04-186 id_proceeding=04-186. Please go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1009000856|04-186|TV+White+S paces http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1009000856|04-186|TV+White+ SpacesSend=Continue Send=Continue to file your comments today. The deadline is quickly approaching with the FCC Commissioners set to publicize the rules for these bands on November 4th. It is essential that you take 5-10 minutes out of your busy schedule today or tomorrow to write and file your comments. Rick Harnish President WISPA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] ****Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments!****
I found 8 as well, but only one was for 04-186 and none were done in the last 17 months. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! I searched for Wireless Internet Service Provider and found 8 records. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! When I search 04-186, I don't get WISPA's current comment. Only one filed 4 years ago. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! Is there a search feature for the comments? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Motorola Canopy User Group' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'WISPA Board Members List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'STEPHEN E. CORAN' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA's FCC Committee' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! Wispa Members and List Users, Yesterday, WISPA filed our Ex Parte Comments for FCC Docket 04-186, Unlicensed Operation in the TV Broadcast Bands Additional Spectrum for unlicensed devices below 900 MHz and in the 3 GHz band. The submission can be found at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520176838 id_document=6520176838. Please review our comments first. Jack Unger, Steve Coran of Rini/Coran and the entire FCC Committee spent hours lobbying, discussing, researching and writing these comments which encourage unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces which will be opened up in Feb. 2009 due to the Digital TV transition. We owe all of these people many thanks and it is our responsibility to support their efforts by submitting our support through individual comments. While reviewing the comments on the FCC website this morning, it became apparent to me that there is stiff competition from the AV industry against this proposal. I reviewed nearly 300 comments from people all over the US in opposition to this FCC proposal. I did see several which supported the use of these bands for Wireless Broadband but we are heavily outnumbered. There are currently over 30,000 comments filed under this docket. Others see how important this is, our industry needs to understand it as well. It is my responsibility to all of the WISP operators to encourage each of you to file your comments in full support of the WISPA Ex Parte Comments or at least partial support with clarification if you oppose some part of our comments. I will be filing my comments as soon as I finish this email. This is a huge opportunity for each of us to help educate the FCC commissioners on the importance of opening up this valuable spectrum to unlicensed (light licensed) operation for wireless broadband. You can review all comments at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts?ws_mode=ret rieve_list http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts?ws_mode=re trieve_listid_proceeding=04-186 id_proceeding=04-186. Please go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1009000856|04-186|TV+White+S paces http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1009000856|04-186|TV+White+ SpacesSend=Continue Send=Continue to file your comments today. The deadline is quickly approaching with the FCC Commissioners set to publicize the rules for these bands on November 4th. It is essential that you take 5-10 minutes out of your busy schedule today or tomorrow to write and file your comments. Rick Harnish President WISPA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] ****Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments!****
They don't get posted until they are reviewed. That can take a day or two. I assume that with the volume of what's been done lately it could take much longer. Unless they were filed under something else? Jack? marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! I found 8 as well, but only one was for 04-186 and none were done in the last 17 months. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! I searched for Wireless Internet Service Provider and found 8 records. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! When I search 04-186, I don't get WISPA's current comment. Only one filed 4 years ago. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! Is there a search feature for the comments? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Motorola Canopy User Group' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'WISPA Board Members List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'STEPHEN E. CORAN' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA's FCC Committee' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! Wispa Members and List Users, Yesterday, WISPA filed our Ex Parte Comments for FCC Docket 04-186, Unlicensed Operation in the TV Broadcast Bands Additional Spectrum for unlicensed devices below 900 MHz and in the 3 GHz band. The submission can be found at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520176838 id_document=6520176838. Please review our comments first. Jack Unger, Steve Coran of Rini/Coran and the entire FCC Committee spent hours lobbying, discussing, researching and writing these comments which encourage unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces which will be opened up in Feb. 2009 due to the Digital TV transition. We owe all of these people many thanks and it is our responsibility to support their efforts by submitting our support through individual comments. While reviewing the comments on the FCC website this morning, it became apparent to me that there is stiff competition from the AV industry against this proposal. I reviewed nearly 300 comments from people all over the US in opposition to this FCC proposal. I did see several which supported the use of these bands for Wireless Broadband but we are heavily outnumbered. There are currently over 30,000 comments filed under this docket. Others see how important this is, our industry needs to understand it as well. It is my responsibility to all of the WISP operators to encourage each of you to file your comments in full support of the WISPA Ex Parte Comments or at least partial support with clarification if you oppose some part of our comments. I will be filing my comments as soon as I finish this email. This is a huge opportunity for each of us to help educate the FCC commissioners on the importance of opening up this valuable spectrum to unlicensed (light licensed) operation for wireless broadband. You can review all comments at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts?ws_mode=ret rieve_list http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts?ws_mode=re trieve_listid_proceeding=04-186 id_proceeding=04-186. Please go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1009000856|04-186|TV+White+S paces http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1009000856|04-186|TV+White+ SpacesSend=Continue Send=Continue to file your comments today. The deadline is quickly approaching with the FCC Commissioners set to
Re: [WISPA] importing addresses into google maps.
I have MySQL database the has our nogo's, pending surveys and pending installs listed in there. I would like to be able to show them in google maps. Is there an api that will import the addresses from a MySQl database and display those address on a webpage with google maps? The Google Maps API just runs on JavaScript, so you can take whatever server-side scripting language you prefer, and automate the process easily enough. Most of the good stuff is detailed here: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/services.html Basically, create a page that does the Google Maps equivalent of hello world, then have your favorite server-side language output a bunch of JavaScript commands to create new points on the map, which your browser will then render through Google Maps' API. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ****Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments!****
8 Record(s) Found For Proceeding:04-186 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: CO Date Received/Adopted: 10/22/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 7 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 10/22/08 Complete Mailing Address: P.O. Box 1582 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 Ex http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520176838 Parte Comment Attachment http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520176839 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 19 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036571 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 18 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036568 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 18 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036567 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 18 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036564 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: CO Date Received/Adopted: 02/20/07 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 5 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Provider's Assco. Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 02/20/07 Complete Mailing Address: 1 DR. Park Road Suite H1 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 COMMENT http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6518807834 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 04/25/06 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 4 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Provider's Association Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 04/25/06 Complete Mailing Address: Box 489 Odessa, WA 99159 COMMENT http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6518334305 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: CO Date Received/Adopted: 11/24/04 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 53 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Provider Association, WISPA Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 11/24/04 Complete Mailing Address: P.O. Box 489 - Odessa Wa 99159 Odessa, WA 99159 COMMENT http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6516883245 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! I found 8 as well, but only one was for 04-186 and none were done in the last 17 months. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! I searched for
Re: [WISPA] ****Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments!****
Wow. Have I really been working on this for over 4 years now? Amazing. marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! 8 Record(s) Found For Proceeding:04-186 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: CO Date Received/Adopted: 10/22/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 7 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 10/22/08 Complete Mailing Address: P.O. Box 1582 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 Ex http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520176838 Parte Comment Attachment http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520176839 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 19 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036571 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 18 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036568 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 18 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036567 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 18 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036564 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: CO Date Received/Adopted: 02/20/07 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 5 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Provider's Assco. Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 02/20/07 Complete Mailing Address: 1 DR. Park Road Suite H1 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 COMMENT http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6518807834 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 04/25/06 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 4 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Provider's Association Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 04/25/06 Complete Mailing Address: Box 489 Odessa, WA 99159 COMMENT http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6518334305 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: CO Date Received/Adopted: 11/24/04 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 53 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Provider Association, WISPA Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 11/24/04 Complete Mailing Address: P.O. Box 489 - Odessa Wa 99159 Odessa, WA 99159 COMMENT http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6516883245 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! I found 8 as well, but only one was for 04-186 and
Re: [WISPA] ****Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments!****
The reason I'm asking isn't to question WISPA's efforts, but to make sure that how I told my customers to find my posting actually works. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:03 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! I found 8 as well, but only one was for 04-186 and none were done in the last 17 months. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! I searched for Wireless Internet Service Provider and found 8 records. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! When I search 04-186, I don't get WISPA's current comment. Only one filed 4 years ago. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! Is there a search feature for the comments? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Motorola Canopy User Group' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'WISPA Board Members List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'STEPHEN E. CORAN' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA's FCC Committee' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! Wispa Members and List Users, Yesterday, WISPA filed our Ex Parte Comments for FCC Docket 04-186, Unlicensed Operation in the TV Broadcast Bands Additional Spectrum for unlicensed devices below 900 MHz and in the 3 GHz band. The submission can be found at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520176838 id_document=6520176838. Please review our comments first. Jack Unger, Steve Coran of Rini/Coran and the entire FCC Committee spent hours lobbying, discussing, researching and writing these comments which encourage unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces which will be opened up in Feb. 2009 due to the Digital TV transition. We owe all of these people many thanks and it is our responsibility to support their efforts by submitting our support through individual comments. While reviewing the comments on the FCC website this morning, it became apparent to me that there is stiff competition from the AV industry against this proposal. I reviewed nearly 300 comments from people all over the US in opposition to this FCC proposal. I did see several which supported the use of these bands for Wireless Broadband but we are heavily outnumbered. There are currently over 30,000 comments filed under this docket. Others see how important this is, our industry needs to understand it as well. It is my responsibility to all of the WISP operators to encourage each of you to file your comments in full support of the WISPA Ex Parte Comments or at least partial support with clarification if you oppose some part of our comments. I will be filing my comments as soon as I finish this email. This is a huge opportunity for each of us to help educate the FCC commissioners on the importance of opening up this valuable spectrum to unlicensed (light licensed) operation for wireless broadband. You can review all comments at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts?ws_mode=ret rieve_list http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts?ws_mode=re trieve_listid_proceeding=04-186 id_proceeding=04-186. Please go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1009000856|04-186|TV+White+S paces http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload?hot_docket=1009000856|04-186|TV+White+ SpacesSend=Continue Send=Continue to file your comments today. The deadline is quickly approaching with the FCC
Re: [WISPA] ****Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments!****
Hrm, now I search with the same things, but I use Google Chrome instead (through admittedly quite a bit later) and now I get 61 returns. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Plea for TV Whitespaces Comments! 8 Record(s) Found For Proceeding:04-186 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: CO Date Received/Adopted: 10/22/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 7 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 10/22/08 Complete Mailing Address: P.O. Box 1582 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 Ex http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520176838 Parte Comment Attachment http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520176839 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 19 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036571 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 18 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036568 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 18 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036567 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 08/01/08 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 18 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association Filed By: Rini Coran, PC Attorney/Author Name: Stephen E. Coran Date Posted Online: 08/01/08 Complete Mailing Address: 1615 L Street, NW Suite 1325 Washington, DC 20036 NOTICE http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6520036564 OF EXPARTE Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: CO Date Received/Adopted: 02/20/07 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 5 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Provider's Assco. Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 02/20/07 Complete Mailing Address: 1 DR. Park Road Suite H1 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 COMMENT http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6518807834 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: NO Date Received/Adopted: 04/25/06 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: NOTICE Total Pages: 4 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Provider's Association Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 04/25/06 Complete Mailing Address: Box 489 Odessa, WA 99159 COMMENT http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6518334305 Proceeding: 04-186 Type Code: CO Date Received/Adopted: 11/24/04 Date Released/Denied: Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 53 File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number: Filed on Behalf of: Wireless Internet Service Provider Association, WISPA Filed By: Attorney/Author Name: Date Posted Online: 11/24/04 Complete Mailing Address: P.O. Box 489 - Odessa Wa 99159 Odessa, WA 99159 COMMENT http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_docume nt=6516883245 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, October
[WISPA] Lawmakers urge delay in FCC vote on white spaces.
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Re: [WISPA] Tool to find out if you might have white spaces spectrumavailable in your area.
That's cool Brian. Is there a way to make the contours transparent? I'd like to be able to see through them. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Stephen Coran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:28 PM Subject: [WISPA] Tool to find out if you might have white spaces spectrumavailable in your area. Ok, so the static image maps I have been creating do not show an accurate picture channel by channel of the available white space spectrum. I decided that I would create a tool that all WISP's could use right now and get a good idea of how their own markets may be affected by white space spectrum being released. I used my GIS tools to create data layers channel by channel. From that I exported the results to a Google Earth file. (It's a large one, sorry the file size is large for list distribution, I compressed it as much as possible) Here is how you can use this. Open the file in Google Earth and you will see the folders specified by TV channel number. Zoom to your area of interest. Click on a channel and see if any contours show up in you desired coverage area. If they don't great, but you still need to check adjacent channels. You would do this by checking the boxes for the channel above and below the one you want to use. If no contours from those channels touch your desired area, you have a clean channel for potential use. This will all depend of course on how the final FCC rules are developed. DISCLAIMERS This mapping data was current as of 7-28-08 and only shows what I could best determine as digital channels. This is my best guess as to what will be on the air after the February 2009 cutover date and is by no means the final word. Things could change between now and then and some of these contours could change. This also does not show any current analog stations. There are some provisions for low power and translator stations to stay on the air in analog form and/or move channels after the cutover. This is pretty accurate but I'm not a Broadcast industry expert. Some of the digital stations might be temporary or for testing. I haven't had the time to look in to all the codes from the FCC database to weed that type of stuff out. You can download a free version of Google Earth at http://earth.google.com Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tool to find out if you might have white spaces spectrum available in your area.
You can use the slider bar at the bottom of the places window. Single click on the channel/folder of interest in the places pane, then go down and move the slider bar left or right to change the transparency. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tool to find out if you might have white spaces spectrumavailable in your area. That's cool Brian. Is there a way to make the contours transparent? I'd like to be able to see through them. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Stephen Coran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:28 PM Subject: [WISPA] Tool to find out if you might have white spaces spectrumavailable in your area. Ok, so the static image maps I have been creating do not show an accurate picture channel by channel of the available white space spectrum. I decided that I would create a tool that all WISP's could use right now and get a good idea of how their own markets may be affected by white space spectrum being released. I used my GIS tools to create data layers channel by channel. From that I exported the results to a Google Earth file. (It's a large one, sorry the file size is large for list distribution, I compressed it as much as possible) Here is how you can use this. Open the file in Google Earth and you will see the folders specified by TV channel number. Zoom to your area of interest. Click on a channel and see if any contours show up in you desired coverage area. If they don't great, but you still need to check adjacent channels. You would do this by checking the boxes for the channel above and below the one you want to use. If no contours from those channels touch your desired area, you have a clean channel for potential use. This will all depend of course on how the final FCC rules are developed. DISCLAIMERS This mapping data was current as of 7-28-08 and only shows what I could best determine as digital channels. This is my best guess as to what will be on the air after the February 2009 cutover date and is by no means the final word. Things could change between now and then and some of these contours could change. This also does not show any current analog stations. There are some provisions for low power and translator stations to stay on the air in analog form and/or move channels after the cutover. This is pretty accurate but I'm not a Broadcast industry expert. Some of the digital stations might be temporary or for testing. I haven't had the time to look in to all the codes from the FCC database to weed that type of stuff out. You can download a free version of Google Earth at http://earth.google.com Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
