[WISPA] [Fwd: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smart meter company]
I saw something on the list serve for SkyPilot this weekend. Didn't read it so this might be a repeat. See below about SkyPilot being sold to smart meter company. Original Message Subject:| 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smart meter company Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:36:40 -0700 From: FierceBroadbandWireless edit...@fiercebroadbandwireless.com Reply-To: edit...@fiercebroadbandwireless.com To: mar...@dcaccess.net Having trouble reading this newsletter? View this newsletter on the web http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,jtha,2iyn,c2vj,8xz2MLM_MID=2004841MLM_MLID=11175MLM_SITEID=8121MLM_UNIQUEID=8998f65dfe. FierceBroadbandWireless http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,j9jq,4cq7,c2vj,8xz2 * June 1, 2009* Sign up for free: Subscribe http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,1dt4,jqe5,c2vj,8xz2 | Website http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,j9jq,4cq7,c2vj,8xz2 | Jobs http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,657h,cnh4,c2vj,8xz2 | Mobile http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,fdpp,c38z,c2vj,8xz2 Refer a colleague http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,5h84,96ee,c2vj,8xz2email_address=mar...@dcaccess.net This week's sponsor is Cisco. http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,f2sk,dymr,c2vj,8xz2 *Today's Top Stories* 1. Smart meter company buys mesh WiFi vendor SkyPilot #1 2. Starent wins Cox 3G contract #2 3. LTE: We need help with running these networks, claim operators #3 4. Minneapolis WiFi network still working toward goals #4 5. Gartner: In-vehicle wireless data to become priority by 2010 #5 *Also Noted:* #AlsoNoted /The Business of Backhaul/ *Spotlight On... New report says data traffic big boon to backhaul* HSPA networks accounted for 11.6% of European broadband connections; Qualcomm introduces another device category and *much more...* Sponsor logo http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,dpfs,4bed,c2vj,8xz2 http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,jho4,c0pd,c2vj,8xz2 *Webcast: Provide Smartphone Support that's Outstanding in the Field* - Wednesday, June 17, 2 p.m. ET / 11 a.m. PT Mobile devices are no longer used solely by top executives -- smartphones are now business necessities. Join this webcast where C.J. Katvala, IT Technician at Gemini Bio Products, and Lee Weiner, Director of Product Marketing at LogMeIn, discuss tips for supporting mobile devices and smartphones in the field. *Register Today! http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,dpfs,4bed,c2vj,8xz2* *Sponsor: Embedded Wireless Devices: An Interactive Executive Summit #intsponsor* *FierceLive! Webinars* The Battle for the $50 per month rate plan - Wednesday, June 24, 2 pm ET/ 11 am PT #N100E4 New Webinar Series: The Business of Backhaul - June 11th, 18th, and 25th, 2 pm ET #N100F0 Making It Simple: Bringing Communications to Web-Based Applications - June 23, 1 pm ET / 10 am PT #N100FC LTE and Evolving 3G Networks - Wednesday, June 10th, 2pm ET/ 11am PT #N100C0 The 3G Lifestyle - Can Your Network Keep Up? - Wednesday, June 17, 2 pm ET / 11 am PT #N100CC Making a Better Mobile Browser - June 18th, 11am ET/ 8am PT #N100D8 *Events* WiMAX Forum Global Congress 09 - 2nd - 3rd June 2009 - RAI, Amsterdam #N10112 Embedded Wireless Devices: A FREE Interactive Executive Summit. - June 9 #N1011E *Marketplace* NEW! WiMAX in Emerging Markets: Report Excerpt Available #N10158 Fixed broadband: the next chapter #N10164 Mobile broadband operator case studies #N10170 Report: The role of mobility in unified communications #N1017C Report - Femtocells: analysing the business case #N10188 Reduce Network Costs by Optimizing Bandwidth Utilization #N101A0 The Service Provider's Guide to 3-Dimensional Content Security #N10134 Managing Voice and Data Convergence: How MSPs Can Increase Profits and Drive New Business #N10140 MARAVEDIS 4GCounts Global Operator Deployment Tracking Service #N1014C Oracle Whitepaper - Mobile Advertising: Buy In or Lose Out #N10194 Final Interview in Series on Mobile Broadband Features T-Mobile #N101AC *Jobs* Wireless Product Development Manager - Cox Communications #N101CE Wireless Provisioner/Traffic Analyst - Cox Communications #N101DA Wireless DBA Engineer (WL) - Cox Communications #N101E6 Need a job? Need to hire? Visit FierceWirelessJobs #N101C2 * Post a classified ad: Click here http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,k95a,6lez,c2vj,8xz2. * General ad info: Click here http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,9jan,e4hw,c2vj,8xz2 Today's Top News 1. Smart meter company buys mesh WiFi vendor SkyPilot http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,mdn4,6iyq,c2vj,8xz2 By Lynnette
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Thank Mac (and everyone else who replied). I'll have to get a couple of these to check out. Neato.. Randy Mac Dearman wrote: This generally happens on the lower portion (or section) of the tower and is caused by freezing water inside the tower leg. Make sure there are weep holes on each leg at the base and that they aren't stopped up with rust. You would be better off to place a water pipe clamp (http://www.plumbingsupply.com/pipe-repair.html) over the entire fracture than to hire a welder. Mac From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? Get a proff. welder out there. He should be able to fix it. Randy Cosby wrote: http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=142 0 g2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=141 8 g2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/27/09 18:21:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: Printers
I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
Nothing but the midrange and higher HP lasers here. As sad as it is to say, anything lower end is a gamble. On 6/1/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
Why would you use inkjet? Switch to laser or LED. You want to use a single pass system instead of a multi-pass. OKI MFCs are my first choice, as the print quality is unsurpassed and consumables are inexpensive. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Kristi Fundu IT-NTS dooel www.it-nts.mk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
Avoid any MFP unless you get extended warranty is a high end unit. To much that can and will go wrong. And as with any ink jet you need to print to them daily or risk having ink dry up and clog the heads. Stay laser. Had good luck with any HP laser model we use or I used in the past and the Xerox color lasers I have used. Xerox solid ink ones are pretty good as well costs to operate is little higher then laser but quality is better then laser and don't suffer from the ink jet problems. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:26:00 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Printers I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
www.freecolorprinters.com We have a C2424, which I don't think they offer anymore. Printer, Copy, Scan, etc. Scans to a hard drive, you download from the internal web interface. Very handy. Prints fast, really not much warm-up time. Wax-based ink, IMHO looks better than laser. They basically send you the printer for free, so long as you buy the ink from them. We look at it as paying the same amount as leasing a good $3000 unit, and getting free ink. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smart metercompany]
Skypilot had some innovative antenna-switching technology, but had also raised nearly $80M in VC funding to develop it. The VCs, on average, probably lost 95% of their investment. It shows what all too often happens when investors become enamoured with the sexiness of a technology, without taking a close look at whether that enhanced technology really matters to the day-to-day operations of end-users. In Skypilot's case, IMO it clearly did not. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smart metercompany] I saw something on the list serve for SkyPilot this weekend. Didn't read it so this might be a repeat. See below about SkyPilot being sold to smart meter company. Original Message Subject: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smart meter company Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:36:40 -0700 From: FierceBroadbandWireless edit...@fiercebroadbandwireless.com Reply-To: edit...@fiercebroadbandwireless.com To: mar...@dcaccess.net Having trouble reading this newsletter? View this newsletter on the web http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,jtha,2iyn,c2vj,8xz2MLM_MID=2004841MLM_MLID=11175MLM_SITEID=8121MLM_UNIQUEID=8998f65dfe. FierceBroadbandWireless http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,j9jq,4cq7,c2vj,8xz2 * June 1, 2009* Sign up for free: Subscribe http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,1dt4,jqe5,c2vj,8xz2 | Website http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,j9jq,4cq7,c2vj,8xz2 | Jobs http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,657h,cnh4,c2vj,8xz2 | Mobile http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,fdpp,c38z,c2vj,8xz2 Refer a colleague http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,5h84,96ee,c2vj,8xz2email_address=mar...@dcaccess.net This week's sponsor is Cisco. http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,f2sk,dymr,c2vj,8xz2 *Today's Top Stories* 1. Smart meter company buys mesh WiFi vendor SkyPilot #1 2. Starent wins Cox 3G contract #2 3. LTE: We need help with running these networks, claim operators #3 4. Minneapolis WiFi network still working toward goals #4 5. Gartner: In-vehicle wireless data to become priority by 2010 #5 *Also Noted:* #AlsoNoted /The Business of Backhaul/ *Spotlight On... New report says data traffic big boon to backhaul* HSPA networks accounted for 11.6% of European broadband connections; Qualcomm introduces another device category and *much more...* Sponsor logo http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,dpfs,4bed,c2vj,8xz2 http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,jho4,c0pd,c2vj,8xz2 *Webcast: Provide Smartphone Support that's Outstanding in the Field* - Wednesday, June 17, 2 p.m. ET / 11 a.m. PT Mobile devices are no longer used solely by top executives -- smartphones are now business necessities. Join this webcast where C.J. Katvala, IT Technician at Gemini Bio Products, and Lee Weiner, Director of Product Marketing at LogMeIn, discuss tips for supporting mobile devices and smartphones in the field. *Register Today! http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,dpfs,4bed,c2vj,8xz2* *Sponsor: Embedded Wireless Devices: An Interactive Executive Summit #intsponsor* *FierceLive! Webinars* The Battle for the $50 per month rate plan - Wednesday, June 24, 2 pm ET/ 11 am PT #N100E4 New Webinar Series: The Business of Backhaul - June 11th, 18th, and 25th, 2 pm ET #N100F0 Making It Simple: Bringing Communications to Web-Based Applications - June 23, 1 pm ET / 10 am PT #N100FC LTE and Evolving 3G Networks - Wednesday, June 10th, 2pm ET/ 11am PT #N100C0 The 3G Lifestyle - Can Your Network Keep Up? - Wednesday, June 17, 2 pm ET / 11 am PT #N100CC Making a Better Mobile Browser - June 18th, 11am ET/ 8am PT #N100D8 *Events* WiMAX Forum Global Congress 09 - 2nd - 3rd June 2009 - RAI, Amsterdam #N10112 Embedded Wireless Devices: A FREE Interactive Executive Summit. - June 9 #N1011E *Marketplace* NEW! WiMAX in Emerging Markets: Report Excerpt Available #N10158 Fixed broadband: the next chapter #N10164 Mobile broadband operator case studies #N10170 Report: The role of mobility in unified communications #N1017C Report - Femtocells: analysing the business case #N10188 Reduce Network Costs by Optimizing Bandwidth Utilization #N101A0 The Service Provider's Guide to 3-Dimensional Content Security #N10134 Managing Voice and Data Convergence: How MSPs Can Increase Profits and Drive New Business #N10140 MARAVEDIS 4GCounts Global Operator Deployment Tracking Service #N1014C Oracle Whitepaper - Mobile Advertising: Buy In or Lose Out #N10194 Final Interview in Series on Mobile Broadband Features T-Mobile #N101AC *Jobs* Wireless
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
I've used inkjet due to the low volume. 3k pages in almost 2 years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kristi Fundu fu...@it-nts.mk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers Why would you use inkjet? Switch to laser or LED. You want to use a single pass system instead of a multi-pass. OKI MFCs are my first choice, as the print quality is unsurpassed and consumables are inexpensive. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Kristi Fundu IT-NTS dooel www.it-nts.mk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
We tried our luck with a Dell laser about 2 years ago. Not bad, but still has a few bugs to work out. Tends to overheat / curl papers more than the HP we had last did. No repair issues or anything though. Randy e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Avoid any MFP unless you get extended warranty is a high end unit. To much that can and will go wrong. And as with any ink jet you need to print to them daily or risk having ink dry up and clog the heads. Stay laser. Had good luck with any HP laser model we use or I used in the past and the Xerox color lasers I have used. Xerox solid ink ones are pretty good as well costs to operate is little higher then laser but quality is better then laser and don't suffer from the ink jet problems. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:26:00 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Printers I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
I got a HP 6122 deskjet that has printed over 20,000 pages in the last 8 years without a problem. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Printers I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
If your looking for a MFP then Xerox got one think it's their 6180 can scan direct to e-mail, windows file share or ftp server. Works great. Very good color laser as well. They makes some of the best quality color lasers out there. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:34:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers I would love to find a scanner that will store the images to either a local media or a networked server... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I got a HP 6122 deskjet that has printed over 20,000 pages in the last 8 years without a problem. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Printers I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
That's close to my home volume for laser. I've had an hp5m/n laser for 9 years at home. It was probably $300 when I bought it. I put toner in it about every 3-4 years. It's still going strong. At work we use an hp8150n laser printer, which is about 6 years old now, and you can get them for less than the cost of shipping on Ebay. A very reliable workhorse that's cheaper to replace than fix. This does about 5000 copies/month of printing. If you're looking for new, I'd suggest a cheap laser or LED printer preferably with postscript emulation for good multiplatform compatibility. That should be $100-300. Brother, Samsung, Oki, etc... On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:22:06PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I've used inkjet due to the low volume. 3k pages in almost 2 years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kristi Fundu fu...@it-nts.mk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers Why would you use inkjet? Switch to laser or LED. You want to use a single pass system instead of a multi-pass. OKI MFCs are my first choice, as the print quality is unsurpassed and consumables are inexpensive. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Kristi Fundu IT-NTS dooel www.it-nts.mk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
HP 9200 series will do that. You can even write flows to send jobs to external programs for faxing, ocr, filing, etc. On 6/1/09, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I would love to find a scanner that will store the images to either a local media or a networked server... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I got a HP 6122 deskjet that has printed over 20,000 pages in the last 8 years without a problem. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Printers I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
I can tell you right now that the HP5M/N was not $300 nine years ago... probably closer to $2,000 brand new. Travis Microserv jp wrote: That's close to my home volume for laser. I've had an hp5m/n laser for 9 years at home. It was probably $300 when I bought it. I put toner in it about every 3-4 years. It's still going strong. At work we use an hp8150n laser printer, which is about 6 years old now, and you can get them for less than the cost of shipping on Ebay. A very reliable workhorse that's cheaper to replace than fix. This does about 5000 copies/month of printing. If you're looking for new, I'd suggest a cheap laser or LED printer preferably with postscript emulation for good multiplatform compatibility. That should be $100-300. Brother, Samsung, Oki, etc... On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:22:06PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I've used inkjet due to the low volume. 3k pages in almost 2 years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Kristi Fundu" fu...@it-nts.mk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:54 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers Why would you use inkjet? Switch to laser or LED. You want to use a single pass system instead of a multi-pass. OKI MFCs are my first choice, as the print quality is unsurpassed and consumables are inexpensive. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Kristi Fundu IT-NTS dooel www.it-nts.mk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
I love my HP LaserJet 4 and 5 4 still runs today 5 I gave away after a few years Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I can tell you right now that the HP5M/N was not $300 nine years ago... probably closer to $2,000 brand new. Travis Microserv jp wrote: That's close to my home volume for laser. I've had an hp5m/n laser for 9 years at home. It was probably $300 when I bought it. I put toner in it about every 3-4 years. It's still going strong. At work we use an hp8150n laser printer, which is about 6 years old now, and you can get them for less than the cost of shipping on Ebay. A very reliable workhorse that's cheaper to replace than fix. This does about 5000 copies/month of printing. If you're looking for new, I'd suggest a cheap laser or LED printer preferably with postscript emulation for good multiplatform compatibility. That should be $100-300. Brother, Samsung, Oki, etc... On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:22:06PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I've used inkjet due to the low volume. 3k pages in almost 2 years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kristi Fundu fu...@it-nts.mk fu...@it-nts.mk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers Why would you use inkjet? Switch to laser or LED. You want to use a single pass system instead of a multi-pass. OKI MFCs are my first choice, as the print quality is unsurpassed and consumables are inexpensive. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Kristi Fundu IT-NTS dooelwww.it-nts.mk WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
I have a 4 running as well and have printed hundreds of pages since I got it with zero problems. 1) It doesn't do color. 2) It doesn't scan, fax, copy, etc. I'm reluctant to spend $500 on a better printer when the $200 ones I've been getting have been garbage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers I love my HP LaserJet 4 and 5 4 still runs today 5 I gave away after a few years Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I can tell you right now that the HP5M/N was not $300 nine years ago... probably closer to $2,000 brand new. Travis Microserv jp wrote: That's close to my home volume for laser. I've had an hp5m/n laser for 9 years at home. It was probably $300 when I bought it. I put toner in it about every 3-4 years. It's still going strong. At work we use an hp8150n laser printer, which is about 6 years old now, and you can get them for less than the cost of shipping on Ebay. A very reliable workhorse that's cheaper to replace than fix. This does about 5000 copies/month of printing. If you're looking for new, I'd suggest a cheap laser or LED printer preferably with postscript emulation for good multiplatform compatibility. That should be $100-300. Brother, Samsung, Oki, etc... On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:22:06PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I've used inkjet due to the low volume. 3k pages in almost 2 years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kristi Fundu fu...@it-nts.mk fu...@it-nts.mk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers Why would you use inkjet? Switch to laser or LED. You want to use a single pass system instead of a multi-pass. OKI MFCs are my first choice, as the print quality is unsurpassed and consumables are inexpensive. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Kristi Fundu IT-NTS dooelwww.it-nts.mk WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
I really really really wanted a laser MFP. But budget said I had to get an injet. I really did not want to support the HP/Gillette-the-printer-is-cheap-we-make-it-up-on-ink/razors business model. So we got an HP 7500 series MFP Inkjet. Sucker ROCKS. Print, Scan, Email, PDF-ize and it sips the ink! Just a hair more expensive in the long run than a laser based system. Oh, and it has a built in print-server so no USB sillyness ryan Mike Hammett wrote: I have a 4 running as well and have printed hundreds of pages since I got it with zero problems. 1) It doesn't do color. 2) It doesn't scan, fax, copy, etc. I'm reluctant to spend $500 on a better printer when the $200 ones I've been getting have been garbage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers I love my HP LaserJet 4 and 5 4 still runs today 5 I gave away after a few years Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I can tell you right now that the HP5M/N was not $300 nine years ago... probably closer to $2,000 brand new. Travis Microserv jp wrote: That's close to my home volume for laser. I've had an hp5m/n laser for 9 years at home. It was probably $300 when I bought it. I put toner in it about every 3-4 years. It's still going strong. At work we use an hp8150n laser printer, which is about 6 years old now, and you can get them for less than the cost of shipping on Ebay. A very reliable workhorse that's cheaper to replace than fix. This does about 5000 copies/month of printing. If you're looking for new, I'd suggest a cheap laser or LED printer preferably with postscript emulation for good multiplatform compatibility. That should be $100-300. Brother, Samsung, Oki, etc... On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:22:06PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I've used inkjet due to the low volume. 3k pages in almost 2 years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kristi Fundu fu...@it-nts.mk fu...@it-nts.mk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers Why would you use inkjet? Switch to laser or LED. You want to use a single pass system instead of a multi-pass. OKI MFCs are my first choice, as the print quality is unsurpassed and consumables are inexpensive. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Kristi Fundu IT-NTS dooelwww.it-nts.mk WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smartmetercompany]
Well, Id argue a different point. Once again, a very important technology that could have really helped WISPs, never really got used by WISPs, because VC's got involved, and let their greed drive them to build a business model for the big pie-in-the-sky ROI, that was not realistic, instead of building a business model that would guarantee that the technology would actually get used by teh majority of WISPs. It doesn't take $80 million to develop the technology. To this day, the FCC gave us one of teh largest advantages to help WISPs survive the noise of consumer wifi devices. That was the High-power rule of smart antennas, giving us an extra 8db of transmit power. Every one of us wishes we legally had 8db more in our Link budgets. But, its been five years now, and how many manufacturers have given us teh options? The problem wasn't the technology concept or the deamnd from the buyer's side. The problem was the business models of the sellers. I'd argue the same for Vivato. It was a great product, but few will ever afford to use it, (or I should say with their bankruptcy, they are no longer around to sell it.) In SkyPilot's case, all I read is that they sold their company. For all I know they will continue selling their product commercially? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smartmetercompany] Skypilot had some innovative antenna-switching technology, but had also raised nearly $80M in VC funding to develop it. The VCs, on average, probably lost 95% of their investment. It shows what all too often happens when investors become enamoured with the sexiness of a technology, without taking a close look at whether that enhanced technology really matters to the day-to-day operations of end-users. In Skypilot's case, IMO it clearly did not. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smart metercompany] I saw something on the list serve for SkyPilot this weekend. Didn't read it so this might be a repeat. See below about SkyPilot being sold to smart meter company. Original Message Subject: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smart meter company Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:36:40 -0700 From: FierceBroadbandWireless edit...@fiercebroadbandwireless.com Reply-To: edit...@fiercebroadbandwireless.com To: mar...@dcaccess.net Having trouble reading this newsletter? View this newsletter on the web http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,jtha,2iyn,c2vj,8xz2MLM_MID=2004841MLM_MLID=11175MLM_SITEID=8121MLM_UNIQUEID=8998f65dfe. FierceBroadbandWireless http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,j9jq,4cq7,c2vj,8xz2 * June 1, 2009* Sign up for free: Subscribe http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,1dt4,jqe5,c2vj,8xz2 | Website http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,j9jq,4cq7,c2vj,8xz2 | Jobs http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,657h,cnh4,c2vj,8xz2 | Mobile http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,fdpp,c38z,c2vj,8xz2 Refer a colleague http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,5h84,96ee,c2vj,8xz2email_address=mar...@dcaccess.net This week's sponsor is Cisco. http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,f2sk,dymr,c2vj,8xz2 *Today's Top Stories* 1. Smart meter company buys mesh WiFi vendor SkyPilot #1 2. Starent wins Cox 3G contract #2 3. LTE: We need help with running these networks, claim operators #3 4. Minneapolis WiFi network still working toward goals #4 5. Gartner: In-vehicle wireless data to become priority by 2010 #5 *Also Noted:* #AlsoNoted /The Business of Backhaul/ *Spotlight On... New report says data traffic big boon to backhaul* HSPA networks accounted for 11.6% of European broadband connections; Qualcomm introduces another device category and *much more...* Sponsor logo http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,dpfs,4bed,c2vj,8xz2 http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,jho4,c0pd,c2vj,8xz2 *Webcast: Provide Smartphone Support that's Outstanding in the Field* - Wednesday, June 17, 2 p.m. ET / 11 a.m. PT Mobile devices are no longer used solely by top executives -- smartphones are now business necessities. Join this webcast where C.J. Katvala, IT Technician at Gemini Bio Products, and Lee Weiner, Director of Product Marketing at LogMeIn, discuss tips for supporting mobile devices and smartphones in the field. *Register Today! http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,dpfs,4bed,c2vj,8xz2*
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
I sell (and use) HP PSC printers. The white with light grey, not the dark gray ones (I do not knwo why the dark ones are such POS's). Never touch a Lexmark (or Dell Home/SOHO AIO series, same brand). Lately I have been pushing the Brother HL-2170W. Fast PPS with inexpensive refills. BW only (they have a color version). Ethernet and Wireless built in, $130 NIB. Mike Hammett wrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
Josh Luthman wrote: I love my HP LaserJet 4 and 5 4 still runs today We had an HP Laserjet 4, until it sent someone to the hospital. (Our Printer Guy was replacing something, maybe the drum, and got overzealous with balancing the printer's substantial bulk in a funny way. He got distracted, something sharp inside the printer cut him, gravity kicked in, et cetera.) I think it was at about 350,000 pages when it left us. Its replacement is an HP Laserjet 2430tn, which we've had for over three years and 185,000 pages, with no problems. It's just a black-and-white printer (no fax or copy, no color, no frills except the built-in network print server), and it cost around $1000 at the time, but it does its job (mainly printing invoices for customers) quite well. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold tosmartmetercompany]
Your point wrt to the unrealistic ROI's demanded by VC's certainly has validity - many promising VC funded ideas end up crapping out because the nature of the funding forces management to swing for the fence and take unreasonable risks rather than pursue a more balanced, realistic, and flexible approach to the market. However, I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of smart-antenna advantages - especially as utilized in the Skypilot product. The FCC smart antenna power limits are no higher than that allowed on any one link in a standard ptp setup (the 8db increase applies only to the *aggregate* power between all the beams), so if you can figure out how to aim an individual 5.8 Ghz panel antenna at the next down or upstream node, you can legally run the same power as the Skypilot system, at a fraction of the cost. Now I would agree that a switched-antenna array (like Vivato) might be helpful for the 2.4 Ghz client-access part of the system - but afaik Skypilot didn't use smart-antenna technology there. The client-access radios fed a standard 7db omni with a stated range of 500 meters. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold tosmartmetercompany] Well, Id argue a different point. Once again, a very important technology that could have really helped WISPs, never really got used by WISPs, because VC's got involved, and let their greed drive them to build a business model for the big pie-in-the-sky ROI, that was not realistic, instead of building a business model that would guarantee that the technology would actually get used by teh majority of WISPs. It doesn't take $80 million to develop the technology. To this day, the FCC gave us one of teh largest advantages to help WISPs survive the noise of consumer wifi devices. That was the High-power rule of smart antennas, giving us an extra 8db of transmit power. Every one of us wishes we legally had 8db more in our Link budgets. But, its been five years now, and how many manufacturers have given us teh options? The problem wasn't the technology concept or the deamnd from the buyer's side. The problem was the business models of the sellers. I'd argue the same for Vivato. It was a great product, but few will ever afford to use it, (or I should say with their bankruptcy, they are no longer around to sell it.) In SkyPilot's case, all I read is that they sold their company. For all I know they will continue selling their product commercially? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smartmetercompany] Skypilot had some innovative antenna-switching technology, but had also raised nearly $80M in VC funding to develop it. The VCs, on average, probably lost 95% of their investment. It shows what all too often happens when investors become enamoured with the sexiness of a technology, without taking a close look at whether that enhanced technology really matters to the day-to-day operations of end-users. In Skypilot's case, IMO it clearly did not. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smart metercompany] I saw something on the list serve for SkyPilot this weekend. Didn't read it so this might be a repeat. See below about SkyPilot being sold to smart meter company. Original Message Subject: | 06.01.09 | WiFi vendor SkyPilot sold to smart meter company Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:36:40 -0700 From: FierceBroadbandWireless edit...@fiercebroadbandwireless.com Reply-To: edit...@fiercebroadbandwireless.com To: mar...@dcaccess.net Having trouble reading this newsletter? View this newsletter on the web http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,jtha,2iyn,c2vj,8xz2MLM_MID=2004841MLM_MLID=11175MLM_SITEID=8121MLM_UNIQUEID=8998f65dfe. FierceBroadbandWireless http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,j9jq,4cq7,c2vj,8xz2 * June 1, 2009* Sign up for free: Subscribe http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,1dt4,jqe5,c2vj,8xz2 | Website http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,j9jq,4cq7,c2vj,8xz2 | Jobs http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,657h,cnh4,c2vj,8xz2 | Mobile http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,fdpp,c38z,c2vj,8xz2 Refer a colleague http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?rtr=ons=69l,16yy1,8mf,5h84,96ee,c2vj,8xz2email_address=mar...@dcaccess.net This week's sponsor is Cisco.
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
Other than sipping the ink, that sounds like my 6310. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers I really really really wanted a laser MFP. But budget said I had to get an injet. I really did not want to support the HP/Gillette-the-printer-is-cheap-we-make-it-up-on-ink/razors business model. So we got an HP 7500 series MFP Inkjet. Sucker ROCKS. Print, Scan, Email, PDF-ize and it sips the ink! Just a hair more expensive in the long run than a laser based system. Oh, and it has a built in print-server so no USB sillyness ryan Mike Hammett wrote: I have a 4 running as well and have printed hundreds of pages since I got it with zero problems. 1) It doesn't do color. 2) It doesn't scan, fax, copy, etc. I'm reluctant to spend $500 on a better printer when the $200 ones I've been getting have been garbage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers I love my HP LaserJet 4 and 5 4 still runs today 5 I gave away after a few years Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I can tell you right now that the HP5M/N was not $300 nine years ago... probably closer to $2,000 brand new. Travis Microserv jp wrote: That's close to my home volume for laser. I've had an hp5m/n laser for 9 years at home. It was probably $300 when I bought it. I put toner in it about every 3-4 years. It's still going strong. At work we use an hp8150n laser printer, which is about 6 years old now, and you can get them for less than the cost of shipping on Ebay. A very reliable workhorse that's cheaper to replace than fix. This does about 5000 copies/month of printing. If you're looking for new, I'd suggest a cheap laser or LED printer preferably with postscript emulation for good multiplatform compatibility. That should be $100-300. Brother, Samsung, Oki, etc... On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:22:06PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I've used inkjet due to the low volume. 3k pages in almost 2 years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kristi Fundu fu...@it-nts.mk fu...@it-nts.mk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers Why would you use inkjet? Switch to laser or LED. You want to use a single pass system instead of a multi-pass. OKI MFCs are my first choice, as the print quality is unsurpassed and consumables are inexpensive. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Kristi Fundu IT-NTS dooelwww.it-nts.mk WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 15:27 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm reluctant to spend $500 on a better printer when the $200 ones I've been getting have been garbage. ?? This is complete nonsense. What makes you think that the quality of a $500 would be equivalent to a $200 printer? Certainly, there are some things are just simply pricey for the sake of price or because they have a certain name stamped on the device (Cisco vs ImageStream for example). However, it is USUALLY true that the more expensive products/devices are higher because they are better quality than the lower priced device (Kia vs BMW for example). P.S. I'm NOT trying to start a flame war over Cisco... :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DVR experience
I am using Mobotix for cameras. The DVR software is free. Or the cams can perform the DVR function. Hit me offlist and I can give you a link to 2 I just put up out of 22 for a small city. ryan On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:16 PM, George Rogato wrote: Anyone working with dvr's and cameras that they really like? I'm looking for advice on what is good and what is not. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
The $200 ones have a monthly duty cycle of what I've printed in 2 years and fail. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 15:27 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm reluctant to spend $500 on a better printer when the $200 ones I've been getting have been garbage. ?? This is complete nonsense. What makes you think that the quality of a $500 would be equivalent to a $200 printer? Certainly, there are some things are just simply pricey for the sake of price or because they have a certain name stamped on the device (Cisco vs ImageStream for example). However, it is USUALLY true that the more expensive products/devices are higher because they are better quality than the lower priced device (Kia vs BMW for example). P.S. I'm NOT trying to start a flame war over Cisco... :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] equipment cooling?
I finally have new fiber on order and getting rid of the T1's (hooray!). The fiber connection will be at a new location and I'll be redirecting traffic. One of the costs I'd like to either loose or lower is my AC bill. The new location will consist of much less equipment: a fiber/ethernet router, a couple of switches, and a Mikrotik Firewall. My current Mikrotik firewall is PC based which is obviously heat sensitive. I'm considering an RB1000 if it makes sense. The question is: Can I run these units on little or no AC? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax
What kind of throughout are you getting on 3.65? -RickG On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, We have two small 3.65 repeaters (serving only other small WiPOPs). The 3.65 does work, but our experience was that it did not do any better in NLOS than 2.4ghz would already do (when comparing the same type of radio systems). There are several other radio features and tricks that the higher-end WiMax companies are doing to get better NLOS, but it is still not comparable to 900mhz. In our area, there is a provider using 2.5ghz licensed WiMax and they still have NLOS issues where our 900mhz Trango system will work just fine. YMMV. Travis Microserv Jeremie Chism wrote: Several months ago I paid the small fee for the 365 license but have not used it. We are looking to deploy something that has a little less interference since there is quite a bit of 900mhz and 5.8ghz equipment deployed where we are. Has anyone tested any of this equipment and how has it worked. Also does it possess any NLOS capabilities (I know all the manufacturers claim they do). Thanks Jeremie Chism Triton Communications WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] clues for vendors
The Dilbert effect lives on at many companies! -RickG On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Tracy Tippett tracytipp...@swiftwireless.com wrote: God Morning All, There is another side to this story. Having been on the manufacturing side, I can tell you it is fairly common place for upper management to send sales on Fact Finding missions to explore what our Customers really want? The usual result is that the customers want things like good products, real support, functional return procedures, value for their money, predictable product delivery schedules etc. Since most of these things would require the company to invest some money and affect real changes, the results go to a decision considerer who then decides either to implement or not implement or more likely further consider the suggestions. The result, in some companies - real tangible efforts are made to improve. In most companies the decision considerers got there by kissing butt in the first place and when a real decision needs to be made their primary role is to cover their own backside, result - time for another Fact Finding Mission. --Original Mail-- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:50:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] clues for vendors HHFFF... You mean this magic secret society decoder ring is worthless? I dunno if I've been wiser or dumber, but anyone who requires me to give them every detail about me before they'll tell me about their product has NEVER had the chance to sell it to me. I get some of the same stuff you apparently get, and have nearly the same reaction. If you want me to invest lots of my time on decisions I already know how to make, then you're just out of luck. I second your notion. Vendors: Tell me what it does. Tell me what it costs. Tell me how it does it. And then tell me why I'd want to buy from you rather than the other guy. Be direct, concise, accurate. Don't waste my time. I'll do my best to not waste yours. Deal? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] clues for vendors Names have been changed to protect the ignorant. I want to vent for a minute on a marketing practice with some wireless equipment vendors that really just doesn't work for me, or maybe I just don't get it. I get emails all the time inviting me to be a SuperAirPlusExtremeMax Partner from one vendor or another. Apparently, without becoming a Partner I cannot really learn useful information about their products (like price). I can read through their marketing fluff on their web site, and can sometimes download spec sheets on the products (some require partnership registration to even do this). In order to become a partner I usually have to sit through a webinar to have more marketing fluff pushed at me. Just give me the meat. I pretty much know what I can get Canopy, Dragonwave, Tranzeo, Trango, etc. for. I can freely read forums on many of these more open vendor sites as I investigate where I want to invest. I don't need a partnership commitment and a marketing guy to push his spiffed products on me. I can ask for information if I need it, and be enticed into partnership programs that offer me better discounts after I narrow my choices down. To make matters worse, on one particular site, I have signed up at least twice to be a partner and still have no clue why I would choose that company as a vendor vs another. I got one call from a marketing guy ( who no longer works there ) who never returned later emails or phone calls with specific questions about the products. Guess I wasn't worthy of their time or partnership. Just open up the information, answer our questions publicly, and let us scrutinize them and compare stories. I'll never buy your products otherwise. I don't care to be part of a secret society just to get the information I need to make sound business decisions. Am I alone? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] equipment cooling?
I would think all of that equipment could sit in a closet in a normal office environment and be just fine (even the PC based firewall). You are really generating very little heat with only 3-4 devices. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: I finally have new fiber on order and getting rid of the T1's (hooray!). The fiber connection will be at a new location and I'll be redirecting traffic. One of the costs I'd like to either loose or lower is my AC bill. The new location will consist of much less equipment: a fiber/ethernet router, a couple of switches, and a Mikrotik Firewall. My current Mikrotik firewall is PC based which is obviously heat sensitive. I'm considering an RB1000 if it makes sense. The question is: Can I run these units on little or no AC? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax
With Mikrotik, throughput is all the same regardless of frequency. So, here is the throughput chart: 5mhz channel = 7Mbps 10mhz channel = 15Mbps 20mhz channel = 30Mbps 40mhz channel = 50Mbps So, with 3.65ghz, the fastest you could get it 30Mbps because there is only 25mhz of spectrum available. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: What kind of throughout are you getting on 3.65? -RickG On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, We have two small 3.65 repeaters (serving only other small WiPOPs). The 3.65 does work, but our experience was that it did not do any better in NLOS than 2.4ghz would already do (when comparing the same type of radio systems). There are several other radio features and "tricks" that the higher-end WiMax companies are doing to get better NLOS, but it is still not comparable to 900mhz. In our area, there is a provider using 2.5ghz licensed WiMax and they still have NLOS issues where our 900mhz Trango system will work just fine. YMMV. Travis Microserv Jeremie Chism wrote: Several months ago I paid the small fee for the 365 "license" but have not used it. We are looking to deploy something that has a little less interference since there is quite a bit of 900mhz and 5.8ghz equipment deployed where we are. Has anyone tested any of this equipment and how has it worked. Also does it possess any NLOS capabilities (I know all the manufacturers claim they do). Thanks Jeremie Chism Triton Communications WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment cooling?
We have a couple RB1000s and Dell managed switches in areas without environmental control and they've held up fine. The RB1000s get so hot you can't touch them. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I would think all of that equipment could sit in a closet in a normal office environment and be just fine (even the PC based firewall). You are really generating very little heat with only 3-4 devices. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: I finally have new fiber on order and getting rid of the T1's (hooray!). The fiber connection will be at a new location and I'll be redirecting traffic. One of the costs I'd like to either loose or lower is my AC bill. The new location will consist of much less equipment: a fiber/ethernet router, a couple of switches, and a Mikrotik Firewall. My current Mikrotik firewall is PC based which is obviously heat sensitive. I'm considering an RB1000 if it makes sense. The question is: Can I run these units on little or no AC? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment cooling?
Well, I left that part out - this will be in a garden shed sitting next to the water tank. Without cooloing, I expect the temperature could reach around 100. -RickG On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I would think all of that equipment could sit in a closet in a normal office environment and be just fine (even the PC based firewall). You are really generating very little heat with only 3-4 devices. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: I finally have new fiber on order and getting rid of the T1's (hooray!). The fiber connection will be at a new location and I'll be redirecting traffic. One of the costs I'd like to either loose or lower is my AC bill. The new location will consist of much less equipment: a fiber/ethernet router, a couple of switches, and a Mikrotik Firewall. My current Mikrotik firewall is PC based which is obviously heat sensitive. I'm considering an RB1000 if it makes sense. The question is: Can I run these units on little or no AC? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment cooling?
Thats encouraging. How long have they been like that and what is the highest ambient temperature they see? -RickG On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: We have a couple RB1000s and Dell managed switches in areas without environmental control and they've held up fine. The RB1000s get so hot you can't touch them. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I would think all of that equipment could sit in a closet in a normal office environment and be just fine (even the PC based firewall). You are really generating very little heat with only 3-4 devices. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: I finally have new fiber on order and getting rid of the T1's (hooray!). The fiber connection will be at a new location and I'll be redirecting traffic. One of the costs I'd like to either loose or lower is my AC bill. The new location will consist of much less equipment: a fiber/ethernet router, a couple of switches, and a Mikrotik Firewall. My current Mikrotik firewall is PC based which is obviously heat sensitive. I'm considering an RB1000 if it makes sense. The question is: Can I run these units on little or no AC? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] equipment cooling?
It's been in since they came out with the RB1000. Here is a graph of the temperatures. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:20 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats encouraging. How long have they been like that and what is the highest ambient temperature they see? -RickG On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: We have a couple RB1000s and Dell managed switches in areas without environmental control and they've held up fine. The RB1000s get so hot you can't touch them. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I would think all of that equipment could sit in a closet in a normal office environment and be just fine (even the PC based firewall). You are really generating very little heat with only 3-4 devices. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: I finally have new fiber on order and getting rid of the T1's (hooray!). The fiber connection will be at a new location and I'll be redirecting traffic. One of the costs I'd like to either loose or lower is my AC bill. The new location will consist of much less equipment: a fiber/ethernet router, a couple of switches, and a Mikrotik Firewall. My current Mikrotik firewall is PC based which is obviously heat sensitive. I'm considering an RB1000 if it makes sense. The question is: Can I run these units on little or no AC? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ attachment: graph_image.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
