Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
I like the NS2loco suggestion... anyone have a handy little desk mount for the radio? Something with a little weight on bottom and small pipe to tie wrap radio to then on desk they can aim it in the direction it works best. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client I am... my guess is when some of these muni-mesh networks went belly up... these things were on the street cheap brand new. So its probably new old stock... that's a great price on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client You referring to this? http://www.wlanparts.com/product/MM2211-DZ?meta=FRGutm_source=GBASEutm_med ium=CPCutm_content=utm_campaign= Looks like it's well under $100. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:28 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Ruckus Metroflex. That is what most Muni-Wifi deployments use. They will be right at the $100 mark or a little bit more Tessco should have good pricing on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot Client So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?
I used to get them from China. Heck, I've got 8-10 of them sitting around still in the box. Want em? -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:15 PM To: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel? Iirc Those were an European knock off of the trango ap antenna enclosure Similar to trango but not an exact copy Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan Wireless years ago. They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but having the ability to switch back and forth is excellent. They look kinda like what Trango was using, I think. Anyone else use them, or know who makes them, or where we could buy a couple more? [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c008fa82282ecattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c008fa82282eczw] [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c00924c58a1f4attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c00924c58a1f4zw] [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c0094cee1f93eattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0094cee1f93ezw] Thanks! Jayson 2.jpg 1.jpg 3.jpg --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
If you find them let me know...I have been keeping an eye out myself. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: I like the NS2loco suggestion... anyone have a handy little desk mount for the radio? Something with a little weight on bottom and small pipe to tie wrap radio to then on desk they can aim it in the direction it works best. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client I am... my guess is when some of these muni-mesh networks went belly up... these things were on the street cheap brand new. So its probably new old stock... that's a great price on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client You referring to this? http://www.wlanparts.com/product/MM2211-DZ?meta=FRGutm_source=GBASEutm_med ium=CPCutm_content=utm_campaign= Looks like it's well under $100. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:28 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Ruckus Metroflex. That is what most Muni-Wifi deployments use. They will be right at the $100 mark or a little bit more Tessco should have good pricing on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot Client So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Frustrating connectivity issues.
24v on a RB532/XR2 @ 200ft Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frustrating connectivity issues. What POE/routerboard is it? If it's a 24v POE on the rb4xx I'm sure you're OK. I run 24v POE on rb433 and rb411 with XR5 cards and a good 250 cat5. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
I am... my guess is when some of these muni-mesh networks went belly up... these things were on the street cheap brand new. So its probably new old stock... that's a great price on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client You referring to this? http://www.wlanparts.com/product/MM2211-DZ?meta=FRGutm_source=GBASEutm_med ium=CPCutm_content=utm_campaign= Looks like it's well under $100. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:28 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Ruckus Metroflex. That is what most Muni-Wifi deployments use. They will be right at the $100 mark or a little bit more Tessco should have good pricing on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot Client So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
You referring to this? http://www.wlanparts.com/product/MM2211-DZ?meta=FRGutm_source=GBASEutm_med ium=CPCutm_content=utm_campaign= Looks like it's well under $100. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:28 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Ruckus Metroflex. That is what most Muni-Wifi deployments use. They will be right at the $100 mark or a little bit more Tessco should have good pricing on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot Client So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?
Are they exactly the same? Do you have a picture? If so, yeah, I'll probably take them. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com wrote: I used to get them from China. Heck, I've got 8-10 of them sitting around still in the box. Want em? -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:15 PM To: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel? Iirc Those were an European knock off of the trango ap antenna enclosure Similar to trango but not an exact copy Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan Wireless years ago. They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but having the ability to switch back and forth is excellent. They look kinda like what Trango was using, I think. Anyone else use them, or know who makes them, or where we could buy a couple more? [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c008fa82282ecattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c008fa82282eczw] [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c00924c58a1f4attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c00924c58a1f4zw] [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c0094cee1f93eattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0094cee1f93ezw] Thanks! Jayson 2.jpg 1.jpg 3.jpg --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?
Hey guys, They already gone, sorry. But, I have some good news, I had 50+ of the enclosures with 900MHz antenna elements, that I dropped off at titanwireless, If you guys want to get those and talk to superpass for antenna elements, there would be a good deal to be had. Also I dropped off 20 ituner mini-box Alix (WRAP boards) outdoor enclosures brand new in the box. Yeah they are the same as the pictures posted on the list. If there is a big demand for these, I can forward your info to my Chinese go-between. btw, I've got some a good qty of 2.4 to 902-928 frequency converters that put out up to 1 watt. now that 900 mhz cards are available, I don't have a use for them and would let them go very easily. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel? Are they exactly the same? Do you have a picture? If so, yeah, I'll probably take them. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com wrote: I used to get them from China. Heck, I've got 8-10 of them sitting around still in the box. Want em? -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:15 PM To: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel? Iirc Those were an European knock off of the trango ap antenna enclosure Similar to trango but not an exact copy Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan Wireless years ago. They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but having the ability to switch back and forth is excellent. They look kinda like what Trango was using, I think. Anyone else use them, or know who makes them, or where we could buy a couple more? [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c008fa82282ecattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c008fa82282eczw] [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c00924c58a1f4attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c00924c58a1f4zw] [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c0094cee1f93eattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0094cee1f93ezw] Thanks! Jayson 2.jpg 1.jpg 3.jpg --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
On a side note... Titan stocked these for a while, and then discontinued them, I think because they got the newer brand of Dual Pol that supported simultaneous use of both Pols. But I was told by Titan that they would likely order more for someone, if they needed them custom ordered. These weren't good for field maintenance, because like trangos had like 12 or so small screws to remove, and internal elements, to get to teh radios boards. But they are great for the purpose to replicate a trango model, where a fix is typically a complete radio replacement. These cases fit a MT 433AH with 2 mPCIs radios perfectly. We'd put the primary radio with both antenna connectors to each of the polarities. Then the Second radio we'd buy one of the mikrotik radios with a SINGLE antenna port. To that we'd plug a pigtail with a bulkhead Nconnetor connected to the case that we drilled. These made great Relay radio cases. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client If you find them let me know...I have been keeping an eye out myself. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: I like the NS2loco suggestion... anyone have a handy little desk mount for the radio? Something with a little weight on bottom and small pipe to tie wrap radio to then on desk they can aim it in the direction it works best. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client I am... my guess is when some of these muni-mesh networks went belly up... these things were on the street cheap brand new. So its probably new old stock... that's a great price on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client You referring to this? http://www.wlanparts.com/product/MM2211-DZ?meta=FRGutm_source=GBASEutm_med ium=CPCutm_content=utm_campaign= Looks like it's well under $100. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:28 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Ruckus Metroflex. That is what most Muni-Wifi deployments use. They will be right at the $100 mark or a little bit more Tessco should have good pricing on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot Client So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?
How many DB were the 900Mhz elements? 10? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel? Hey guys, They already gone, sorry. But, I have some good news, I had 50+ of the enclosures with 900MHz antenna elements, that I dropped off at titanwireless, If you guys want to get those and talk to superpass for antenna elements, there would be a good deal to be had. Also I dropped off 20 ituner mini-box Alix (WRAP boards) outdoor enclosures brand new in the box. Yeah they are the same as the pictures posted on the list. If there is a big demand for these, I can forward your info to my Chinese go-between. btw, I've got some a good qty of 2.4 to 902-928 frequency converters that put out up to 1 watt. now that 900 mhz cards are available, I don't have a use for them and would let them go very easily. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel? Are they exactly the same? Do you have a picture? If so, yeah, I'll probably take them. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com wrote: I used to get them from China. Heck, I've got 8-10 of them sitting around still in the box. Want em? -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:15 PM To: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel? Iirc Those were an European knock off of the trango ap antenna enclosure Similar to trango but not an exact copy Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan Wireless years ago. They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but having the ability to switch back and forth is excellent. They look kinda like what Trango was using, I think. Anyone else use them, or know who makes them, or where we could buy a couple more? [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c008fa82282ecattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c008fa82282eczw] [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c00924c58a1f4attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c00924c58a1f4zw] [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c0094cee1f93eattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0094cee1f93ezw] Thanks! Jayson 2.jpg 1.jpg 3.jpg --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version:
Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?
they were a single element, claimed to be 10 dbi, but I am not sure what they actually were the elements were crap, and I just tossed em -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:38 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel? How many DB were the 900Mhz elements? 10? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel? Hey guys, They already gone, sorry. But, I have some good news, I had 50+ of the enclosures with 900MHz antenna elements, that I dropped off at titanwireless, If you guys want to get those and talk to superpass for antenna elements, there would be a good deal to be had. Also I dropped off 20 ituner mini-box Alix (WRAP boards) outdoor enclosures brand new in the box. Yeah they are the same as the pictures posted on the list. If there is a big demand for these, I can forward your info to my Chinese go-between. btw, I've got some a good qty of 2.4 to 902-928 frequency converters that put out up to 1 watt. now that 900 mhz cards are available, I don't have a use for them and would let them go very easily. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel? Are they exactly the same? Do you have a picture? If so, yeah, I'll probably take them. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com wrote: I used to get them from China. Heck, I've got 8-10 of them sitting around still in the box. Want em? -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:15 PM To: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel? Iirc Those were an European knock off of the trango ap antenna enclosure Similar to trango but not an exact copy Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan Wireless years ago. They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but having the ability to switch back and forth is excellent. They look kinda like what Trango was using, I think. Anyone else use them, or know who makes them, or where we could buy a couple more? [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c008fa82282ecattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c008fa82282eczw] [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c00924c58a1f4attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c00924c58a1f4zw] [image: ? ui= 2v iew= att th= 124c0094cee1f93eattid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_124c0094cee1f93ezw] Thanks! Jayson 2.jpg 1.jpg 3.jpg --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz ch save the day - was - Frustrating connectivity issues.
Now I will definitely file that one where I can find it. I have used cringe Scotch locks in an attic before. Mike At 11:52 AM 11/5/2009, Scott wrote: This cable stretcher is only $2.75. https://www.visionaryweb.com/secure/techdoctor/product_info.php?products_id=323osCsid=935273b7a716937f1b96e6deecf47697 https://www.visionaryweb.com/secure/techdoctor/product_info.php?products_id=323osCsid=935273b7a716937f1b96e6deecf47697 Mike wrote: Don't ask how I learned, but I put a service loop (usually 2 places) on every install. I tried to buy a cable stretcher, but they were way too expensive. At 10:51 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: Then you hope you have enough of a service loop to move it if it already has been installed =) I normally do a good 2-3 foot service loop. I've noticed the Dish installers do around 6 inches. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: No, the black magic is that sometimes really strange things seem to affect links in inexplicable ways. Yes, there is probably some absolute science underlying the results, but they just seem like black magic. I have found sometimes just moving CPE a couple feet or so up/down/left/right can make all the difference in the world. Mike At 10:37 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: I guess the the black magic part was that you couldnt ping yet remain on remote desktop? On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I have been putting up a few horizontal sectors with 10 MHz channels too. That 3 dB increase in signal to noise has made a world of difference. I even put one up high, running a 5 MHz channel, and call it my trouble sector. I have a handful of customers I used knife edge diffraction as a propagation medium from day one. It works 95% of the time at 20 MHz channels, with fades to -83 -84 dBm. This time of year is the 5% they begin to fade. My theory is that as the crops dry (corn, beans) they are no longer lined up in neat little rows but become more randomized and change the dynamics of the signal. I moved 3 of them to my trouble sector and they are working great; I know from experience this is the bottom of the barrel, and they will get steadily better as leaves drop and crops are combined. I'm also convinced horizontal polarization works better with knife edge diffraction than vertical. My trouble sector is even on a fully deployed tower with 3) 120 degree sectors at 2.4, all vertical. Trouble sector is 20 feet below the main ones, horizontal, using a subset of the same channel of the one directly behind it. That 5 MHz sector gives me a 6 dB increase in s/n. Steve, how did you change all the customers over to 10 MHz? I guess I could do that in the middle of the night and open a bunch of windows and change them, then begin saving one after the other. Let us know your trick. Just adds to my belief that this wireless stuff is 80% engineering, 15% black magic, and since I don't believe in luck, 5% good fortune or Karma. Mike At 07:03 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: Mark I have seen this exact same thing. But I bet if you take the radio down the road 1/2 mile it will go away and never cause a problem. When I had the same issue I ended up putting a Mikrotik client in place with the same XR2 board and firmware as the tower. That way I had the ability to do Mtik to Mtik testing and it came down to a multipath or RF issue. I went from hearing from the customer every 4 days to ever month. Then 2 months ago I switched that sector to 10Mhz G and have not heard a word from that customer since. I like no phone calls. 10mhz channels have been saving my life. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. CPQ in router mode and doing the PPPoE, no router behind CPQ. Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. Further, are you using a router (Linksys/D-Link/Netgear/Other) with PPPoE, or the computer with PPPoE, or even DHCP?
Re: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 any real world experience?
Does anyone have any real world experience with Radwin 2000 integrated or prefer connectorized - Actual speed and packets per second. Thanks, Don Renner NetsurfUSA, Inc. French Lick, IN 47432 812-936-4514office 812-521-1876cell dren...@netsurfusa.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz ch save the day - was - Frustrating connectivity issues.
I will find out how well they work. I have one that is in the ground. Homeowner whacked a cable with the weed eater at the ground. It is a 60' buied line, so I dug out a little hole around the wire, patched it, filled the lid with sealant, stuck it together and buried it. Been in the ground 5 weeks with out issue. Mike wrote: Now I will definitely file that one where I can find it. I have used cringe Scotch locks in an attic before. Mike At 11:52 AM 11/5/2009, Scott wrote: This cable stretcher is only $2.75. https://www.visionaryweb.com/secure/techdoctor/product_info.php?products_id=323osCsid=935273b7a716937f1b96e6deecf47697 https://www.visionaryweb.com/secure/techdoctor/product_info.php?products_id=323osCsid=935273b7a716937f1b96e6deecf47697 Mike wrote: Don't ask how I learned, but I put a service loop (usually 2 places) on every install. I tried to buy a cable stretcher, but they were way too expensive. At 10:51 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: Then you hope you have enough of a service loop to move it if it already has been installed =) I normally do a good 2-3 foot service loop. I've noticed the Dish installers do around 6 inches. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: No, the black magic is that sometimes really strange things seem to affect links in inexplicable ways. Yes, there is probably some absolute science underlying the results, but they just seem like black magic. I have found sometimes just moving CPE a couple feet or so up/down/left/right can make all the difference in the world. Mike At 10:37 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: I guess the the black magic part was that you couldnt ping yet remain on remote desktop? On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I have been putting up a few horizontal sectors with 10 MHz channels too. That 3 dB increase in signal to noise has made a world of difference. I even put one up high, running a 5 MHz channel, and call it my trouble sector. I have a handful of customers I used knife edge diffraction as a propagation medium from day one. It works 95% of the time at 20 MHz channels, with fades to -83 -84 dBm. This time of year is the 5% they begin to fade. My theory is that as the crops dry (corn, beans) they are no longer lined up in neat little rows but become more randomized and change the dynamics of the signal. I moved 3 of them to my trouble sector and they are working great; I know from experience this is the bottom of the barrel, and they will get steadily better as leaves drop and crops are combined. I'm also convinced horizontal polarization works better with knife edge diffraction than vertical. My trouble sector is even on a fully deployed tower with 3) 120 degree sectors at 2.4, all vertical. Trouble sector is 20 feet below the main ones, horizontal, using a subset of the same channel of the one directly behind it. That 5 MHz sector gives me a 6 dB increase in s/n. Steve, how did you change all the customers over to 10 MHz? I guess I could do that in the middle of the night and open a bunch of windows and change them, then begin saving one after the other. Let us know your trick. Just adds to my belief that this wireless stuff is 80% engineering, 15% black magic, and since I don't believe in luck, 5% good fortune or Karma. Mike At 07:03 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: Mark I have seen this exact same thing. But I bet if you take the radio down the road 1/2 mile it will go away and never cause a problem. When I had the same issue I ended up putting a Mikrotik client in place with the same XR2 board and firmware as the tower. That way I had the ability to do Mtik to Mtik testing and it came down to a multipath or RF issue. I went from hearing from the customer every 4 days to ever month. Then 2 months ago I switched that sector to 10Mhz G and have not heard a word from that customer since. I like no phone calls. 10mhz channels have been saving my life. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. CPQ in router mode and doing the PPPoE, no router behind CPQ. Mark
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
just use the mounting kit from UBNT. the suction cup works great on desks. Scott Carullo wrote: I like the NS2loco suggestion... anyone have a handy little desk mount for the radio? Something with a little weight on bottom and small pipe to tie wrap radio to then on desk they can aim it in the direction it works best. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client I am... my guess is when some of these muni-mesh networks went belly up... these things were on the street cheap brand new. So its probably new old stock... that's a great price on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client You referring to this? http://www.wlanparts.com/product/MM2211-DZ?meta=FRGutm_source=GBASEutm_med ium=CPCutm_content=utm_campaign= Looks like it's well under $100. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:28 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Ruckus Metroflex. That is what most Muni-Wifi deployments use. They will be right at the $100 mark or a little bit more Tessco should have good pricing on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot Client So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
And I find this 2 minutes later http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/loco2_datasheet.pdf sigh Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:19 PM To: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2 I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
What is not here http://ubnt.com/products/loco.php that you want to know? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
Nick, Don't even stake a portion of your business on USB clients. Too many issues make them unreliable in my opinion. At 12:18 PM 11/5/2009, you wrote: So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
Yeah, I think we settled on the loco2's for this purpose. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:32 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Nick, Don't even stake a portion of your business on USB clients. Too many issues make them unreliable in my opinion. At 12:18 PM 11/5/2009, you wrote: So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard (321) 205-1100 x106 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
I can highly recommend this little known vendor based in Ireland. http://www.stelladoradus.com/dual.tri.band.antennas.php As noted on the web page the US contact is: pspoo...@mindspring.com Best, leb At 5:17 PM -0500 11/3/09, Eric Rogers wrote: Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors? Does anyone know of any that are 120*? I have found some that are 90. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
We have a huge network deployed using these (actually, the Nano Loco 2). They work awesome. We regularly get 18-23Mbps through them. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
Have you compared them to the NS2? I'd be afraid to lose 6dbm and 2dbi...that's nearly 3 times the power! On 11/5/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We have a huge network deployed using these (actually, the Nano Loco 2). They work awesome. We regularly get 18-23Mbps through them. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
The correct list price is $74 for the ECB-3220 set by EnGenius. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=ECB-3220eq=Tp= / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:27 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Engenius. The ECB3220 (you can set them for bridge/router mode and have them ready to go for the customer!) is pretty good and they're $81 list: http://www.tessco.com/products/displayHierarchySkus.do?groupId=591subgroupI d=48showFilterItems=trueeventGroup=4eventPage=1 USB adapter is ok - not a fan of needing drivers on windows. The end of September (or around there) they were $65 for two (so we paid around $30 for each device). Make a Tessco account, make friends with your account rep, make sure he knows you use these and they will contact you when the sale shows up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
All our links are under 3mi. Like I said, we just 18-23Mbps most of the time, so no real need for the extra gain+power. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Have you compared them to the NS2? I'd be afraid to lose 6dbm and 2dbi...that's nearly 3 times the power! On 11/5/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We have a huge network deployed using these (actually, the Nano Loco 2). They work awesome. We regularly get 18-23Mbps through them. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
We used this Vendor's sectors in university deployments. I highly recommend them. Paul Rice -- From: Lawrence E. Bakst m...@iridescent.org Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors I can highly recommend this little known vendor based in Ireland. http://www.stelladoradus.com/dual.tri.band.antennas.php As noted on the web page the US contact is: pspoo...@mindspring.com Best, leb At 5:17 PM -0500 11/3/09, Eric Rogers wrote: Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors? Does anyone know of any that are 120*? I have found some that are 90. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
I recently put up an 11km link of Microtik using Aetheros AR5413 chips on 433AH boards running WDS and NStream. Their connection is -69 and 54MB each way. On the Master side pings average 2-10ms, on the far side its 20-40ms. We're running 6-9MBps throughput on average. During peak usage the far side of the link starts lagging at 40-100ms. What can I do to improve this? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
They make a decent cookie too http://www.stelladoro.com/ Tom S. - Original Message - From: Lawrence E. Bakst m...@iridescent.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors I can highly recommend this little known vendor based in Ireland. http://www.stelladoradus.com/dual.tri.band.antennas.php As noted on the web page the US contact is: pspoo...@mindspring.com Best, leb At 5:17 PM -0500 11/3/09, Eric Rogers wrote: Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors? Does anyone know of any that are 120*? I have found some that are 90. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.50/2481 - Release Date: 11/04/09 19:51:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz ch save the day - was - Frustrating connectivity issues.
The cable strecher I used was the noose I made from the cable wrapped around the neck of the installer who didnt leave a loop :) On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: This cable stretcher is only $2.75. https://www.visionaryweb.com/secure/techdoctor/product_info.php?products_id=323osCsid=935273b7a716937f1b96e6deecf47697 https://www.visionaryweb.com/secure/techdoctor/product_info.php?products_id=323osCsid=935273b7a716937f1b96e6deecf47697 Mike wrote: Don't ask how I learned, but I put a service loop (usually 2 places) on every install. I tried to buy a cable stretcher, but they were way too expensive. At 10:51 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: Then you hope you have enough of a service loop to move it if it already has been installed =) I normally do a good 2-3 foot service loop. I've noticed the Dish installers do around 6 inches. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: No, the black magic is that sometimes really strange things seem to affect links in inexplicable ways. Yes, there is probably some absolute science underlying the results, but they just seem like black magic. I have found sometimes just moving CPE a couple feet or so up/down/left/right can make all the difference in the world. Mike At 10:37 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: I guess the the black magic part was that you couldnt ping yet remain on remote desktop? On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I have been putting up a few horizontal sectors with 10 MHz channels too. That 3 dB increase in signal to noise has made a world of difference. I even put one up high, running a 5 MHz channel, and call it my trouble sector. I have a handful of customers I used knife edge diffraction as a propagation medium from day one. It works 95% of the time at 20 MHz channels, with fades to -83 -84 dBm. This time of year is the 5% they begin to fade. My theory is that as the crops dry (corn, beans) they are no longer lined up in neat little rows but become more randomized and change the dynamics of the signal. I moved 3 of them to my trouble sector and they are working great; I know from experience this is the bottom of the barrel, and they will get steadily better as leaves drop and crops are combined. I'm also convinced horizontal polarization works better with knife edge diffraction than vertical. My trouble sector is even on a fully deployed tower with 3) 120 degree sectors at 2.4, all vertical. Trouble sector is 20 feet below the main ones, horizontal, using a subset of the same channel of the one directly behind it. That 5 MHz sector gives me a 6 dB increase in s/n. Steve, how did you change all the customers over to 10 MHz? I guess I could do that in the middle of the night and open a bunch of windows and change them, then begin saving one after the other. Let us know your trick. Just adds to my belief that this wireless stuff is 80% engineering, 15% black magic, and since I don't believe in luck, 5% good fortune or Karma. Mike At 07:03 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: Mark I have seen this exact same thing. But I bet if you take the radio down the road 1/2 mile it will go away and never cause a problem. When I had the same issue I ended up putting a Mikrotik client in place with the same XR2 board and firmware as the tower. That way I had the ability to do Mtik to Mtik testing and it came down to a multipath or RF issue. I went from hearing from the customer every 4 days to ever month. Then 2 months ago I switched that sector to 10Mhz G and have not heard a word from that customer since. I like no phone calls. 10mhz channels have been saving my life. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. CPQ in router mode and doing the PPPoE, no router behind CPQ. Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. Further, are you using a router
Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz ch save the day - was - Frustrating connectivity issues.
LOL! I'm melting, I'm melting!!! On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Black Magic? That was my theory for awhile but I have a Coven of Witches around me at all times (actually my wife and her sisters) and they haven't brought me any good fortune whatsoever, in fact it's had the opposite effect. Maybe I'm using the wrong witches.. How do you advertise for a Wireless Witch? Now my mind is working If one is Wireless Witching, can you do that like Water Witching with a dowsing rod? I wonder if some good ol' boy could use a dowsing rod to find the correct RF path I'll have to put that in my bag of weird things to say to the customer. Yeah, I'll have my uncle Dale come over with his dowsing rod and see if you can get the service. I once worked with a guy who, after hearing the term RF Glasses take a pair of the orange tint hunting glasses and with a sharpie marker drew site lines on each lens and would use them to mess with customers. Off topic but what the heck. I'm tired. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz ch save the day - was - Frustrating connectivity issues. I guess the the black magic part was that you couldnt ping yet remain on remote desktop? On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I have been putting up a few horizontal sectors with 10 MHz channels too. That 3 dB increase in signal to noise has made a world of difference. I even put one up high, running a 5 MHz channel, and call it my trouble sector. I have a handful of customers I used knife edge diffraction as a propagation medium from day one. It works 95% of the time at 20 MHz channels, with fades to -83 -84 dBm. This time of year is the 5% they begin to fade. My theory is that as the crops dry (corn, beans) they are no longer lined up in neat little rows but become more randomized and change the dynamics of the signal. I moved 3 of them to my trouble sector and they are working great; I know from experience this is the bottom of the barrel, and they will get steadily better as leaves drop and crops are combined. I'm also convinced horizontal polarization works better with knife edge diffraction than vertical. My trouble sector is even on a fully deployed tower with 3) 120 degree sectors at 2.4, all vertical. Trouble sector is 20 feet below the main ones, horizontal, using a subset of the same channel of the one directly behind it. That 5 MHz sector gives me a 6 dB increase in s/n. Steve, how did you change all the customers over to 10 MHz? I guess I could do that in the middle of the night and open a bunch of windows and change them, then begin saving one after the other. Let us know your trick. Just adds to my belief that this wireless stuff is 80% engineering, 15% black magic, and since I don't believe in luck, 5% good fortune or Karma. Mike At 07:03 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: Mark I have seen this exact same thing. But I bet if you take the radio down the road 1/2 mile it will go away and never cause a problem. When I had the same issue I ended up putting a Mikrotik client in place with the same XR2 board and firmware as the tower. That way I had the ability to do Mtik to Mtik testing and it came down to a multipath or RF issue. I went from hearing from the customer every 4 days to ever month. Then 2 months ago I switched that sector to 10Mhz G and have not heard a word from that customer since. I like no phone calls. 10mhz channels have been saving my life. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. CPQ in router mode and doing the PPPoE, no router behind CPQ. Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. Further, are you using a router (Linksys/D-Link/Netgear/Other) with PPPoE, or the computer with PPPoE, or even DHCP? Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday,
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
Especially when Microsoft is sending out updates that kill Windows drivers. I've had several customers loose their drivers to their USB wireless adapters AFTER updating Windows. Has anyone else experienced this? -RickG On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Engenius. The ECB3220 (you can set them for bridge/router mode and have them ready to go for the customer!) is pretty good and they're $81 list: http://www.tessco.com/products/displayHierarchySkus.do?groupId=591subgroupId=48showFilterItems=trueeventGroup=4eventPage=1 USB adapter is ok - not a fan of needing drivers on windows. The end of September (or around there) they were $65 for two (so we paid around $30 for each device). Make a Tessco account, make friends with your account rep, make sure he knows you use these and they will contact you when the sale shows up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
You might be able to convert the window mount unit. Put the sucker (literally) on something heavy. -RickG On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: I like the NS2loco suggestion... anyone have a handy little desk mount for the radio? Something with a little weight on bottom and small pipe to tie wrap radio to then on desk they can aim it in the direction it works best. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client I am... my guess is when some of these muni-mesh networks went belly up... these things were on the street cheap brand new. So its probably new old stock... that's a great price on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client You referring to this? http://www.wlanparts.com/product/MM2211-DZ?meta=FRGutm_source=GBASEutm_med ium=CPCutm_content=utm_campaign= Looks like it's well under $100. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:28 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Ruckus Metroflex. That is what most Muni-Wifi deployments use. They will be right at the $100 mark or a little bit more Tessco should have good pricing on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot Client So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
I use a high powered Picostation. Works great! http://ubnt.com/products/picostation.php -RickG On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
Turn it into an nsteme-dual link, using 2 antennas and radios on each end. 1ms all day long On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I recently put up an 11km link of Microtik using Aetheros AR5413 chips on 433AH boards running WDS and NStream. Their connection is -69 and 54MB each way. On the Master side pings average 2-10ms, on the far side its 20-40ms. We're running 6-9MBps throughput on average. During peak usage the far side of the link starts lagging at 40-100ms. What can I do to improve this? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
for the price you can't beat em. the full ns2 has a connector for external antennas. I've used the little 14db parabolics and get good range Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
We tried the NS2 external connector once. Didn't work worth a crap. Someone said it's because the internal tracer on the board is like 6 long. *shrug* That was a year ago, maybe it's better now. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: for the price you can't beat em. the full ns2 has a connector for external antennas. I've used the little 14db parabolics and get good range Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
Bullet 2hp with a 2.4 mag mount. Any other questions??:) Sent From My PrimeCo Phone --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2 To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 9:35 PM for the price you can't beat em. the full ns2 has a connector for external antennas. I've used the little 14db parabolics and get good range Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
gotta be interference try different channel / polarization if you already did that which i assume then we have to start asking what ROS you have, what wireless card exactly you have ect Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik I recently put up an 11km link of Microtik using Aetheros AR5413 chips on 433AH boards running WDS and NStream. Their connection is -69 and 54MB each way. On the Master side pings average 2-10ms, on the far side its 20-40ms. We're running 6-9MBps throughput on average. During peak usage the far side of the link starts lagging at 40-100ms. What can I do to improve this? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
Do not do this, especially if you are having problems with regular nstream link by itself fix your current problem before you go adding twice the components and 4 times the complexity and twice the spectrum Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik Turn it into an nsteme-dual link, using 2 antennas and radios on each end. 1ms all day long On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I recently put up an 11km link of Microtik using Aetheros AR5413 chips on 433AH boards running WDS and NStream. Their connection is -69 and 54MB each way. On the Master side pings average 2-10ms, on the far side its 20-40ms. We're running 6-9MBps throughput on average. During peak usage the far side of the link starts lagging at 40-100ms. What can I do to improve this? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
Wds and nstreme have all kinds of problems without wireless-test I think. On 11/5/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Do not do this, especially if you are having problems with regular nstream link by itself fix your current problem before you go adding twice the components and 4 times the complexity and twice the spectrum Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik Turn it into an nsteme-dual link, using 2 antennas and radios on each end. 1ms all day long On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I recently put up an 11km link of Microtik using Aetheros AR5413 chips on 433AH boards running WDS and NStream. Their connection is -69 and 54MB each way. On the Master side pings average 2-10ms, on the far side its 20-40ms. We're running 6-9MBps throughput on average. During peak usage the far side of the link starts lagging at 40-100ms. What can I do to improve this? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
2009/11/5 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com: Wds and nstreme have all kinds of problems without wireless-test I think. Doesn't 4.x roll up wireless-test and routing-test from the 4.x betas in to the stable train? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
I have many WDS and Nstreme links running on v3 without wireless-test. Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: Wds and nstreme have all kinds of problems without wireless-test I think. On 11/5/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Do not do this, especially if you are having problems with regular nstream link by itself fix your current problem before you go adding twice the components and 4 times the complexity and twice the spectrum Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: "Jayson Baker" jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:23 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik Turn it into an nsteme-dual link, using 2 antennas and radios on each end. 1ms all day long On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I recently put up an 11km link of Microtik using Aetheros AR5413 chips on 433AH boards running WDS and NStream. Their connection is -69 and 54MB each way. On the Master side pings average 2-10ms, on the far side its 20-40ms. We're running 6-9MBps throughput on average. During peak usage the far side of the link starts lagging at 40-100ms. What can I do to improve this? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
Hey Travis once I moved some 3.28-30 level nstream links to 4.1 I had some issues where it acted like some interference but only thing changed was the ROS on several links. Have you seen anything like this yourself or are you not running v4 yet. lol I just have a problem learning the if it works good leave it alone lesson :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik I have many WDS and Nstreme links running on v3 without wireless-test. Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: Wds and nstreme have all kinds of problems without wireless-test I think. On 11/5/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Do not do this, especially if you are having problems with regular nstream link by itself fix your current problem before you go adding twice the components and 4 times the complexity and twice the spectrum Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik Turn it into an nsteme-dual link, using 2 antennas and radios on each end. 1ms all day long On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I recently put up an 11km link of Microtik using Aetheros AR5413 chips on 433AH boards running WDS and NStream. Their connection is -69 and 54MB each way. On the Master side pings average 2-10ms, on the far side its 20-40ms. We're running 6-9MBps throughput on average. During peak usage the far side of the link starts lagging at 40-100ms. What can I do to improve this? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
Hi, I have several X86 ethernet routers running v4.2, but no wireless links (yet). Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Hey Travis once I moved some 3.28-30 level nstream links to 4.1 I had some issues where it acted like some interference but only thing changed was the ROS on several links. Have you seen anything like this yourself or are you not running v4 yet. lol I just have a problem learning the if it works good leave it alone lesson :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik I have many WDS and Nstreme links running on v3 without wireless-test. Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: Wds and nstreme have all kinds of problems without wireless-test I think. On 11/5/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Do not do this, especially if you are having problems with regular nstream link by itself fix your current problem before you go adding twice the components and 4 times the complexity and twice the spectrum Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik Turn it into an nsteme-dual link, using 2 antennas and radios on each end. 1ms all day long On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I recently put up an 11km link of Microtik using Aetheros AR5413 chips on 433AH boards running WDS and NStream. Their connection is -69 and 54MB each way. On the Master side pings average 2-10ms, on the far side its 20-40ms. We're running 6-9MBps throughput on average. During peak usage the far side of the link starts lagging at 40-100ms. What can I do to improve this? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 23:12 -0500, Scott Carullo wrote: Hey Travis once I moved some 3.28-30 level nstream links to 4.1 I had some issues where it acted like some interference but only thing changed was the ROS on several links. Have you seen anything like this yourself or are you not running v4 yet. I have seen SEVERAL issues with v4.1 and 4.2 running nstreme or not. It does not seem to affect the rb600a boards, whatever is causing it. I have seen great links show HORRIBLE performance on rb532 and several in the RB400 series. Downgrading these to v3.30 brings back the link to stable. I'm not sure the cause, but v4.x is not stable with wireless on the rb400 or rb500 boards, yet. FWIW, I have other customers who had no problem when they upgraded. Not sure the difference. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
Ethernet routers work fine for me, too. On 11/5/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I have several X86 ethernet routers running v4.2, but no wireless links (yet). Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Hey Travis once I moved some 3.28-30 level nstream links to 4.1 I had some issues where it acted like some interference but only thing changed was the ROS on several links. Have you seen anything like this yourself or are you not running v4 yet. lol I just have a problem learning the if it works good leave it alone lesson :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik I have many WDS and Nstreme links running on v3 without wireless-test. Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: Wds and nstreme have all kinds of problems without wireless-test I think. On 11/5/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Do not do this, especially if you are having problems with regular nstream link by itself fix your current problem before you go adding twice the components and 4 times the complexity and twice the spectrum Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik Turn it into an nsteme-dual link, using 2 antennas and radios on each end. 1ms all day long On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I recently put up an 11km link of Microtik using Aetheros AR5413 chips on 433AH boards running WDS and NStream. Their connection is -69 and 54MB each way. On the Master side pings average 2-10ms, on the far side its 20-40ms. We're running 6-9MBps throughput on average. During peak usage the far side of the link starts lagging at 40-100ms. What can I do to improve this? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP - 20dB off? WAS: Candy
FYI... thanks to Chuck and WB this link is up and working. WB sent us a new dish, overnight, at no charge to see if that fixed this link. The new dish DID get the link up. From -85 to -59 now. It was either a bad dish, or mis-aligned. Seems we were aligning with the red marker on the dish (i.e. same as a DISH Network dish), and the WB sticker on the dish is for the BOLT (not the red marker). I thought we checked that, but maybe not. It's been a while now. Either way, thanks very much to Beehive for working with us on this. We'll be buying these dishes going forward for all our links! And thanks to everyone else to had input. Jayson On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Spent another couple minutes on this link today. This is really strange... The 58DP end, when in 802.11a mode actually picks up a few other sites, at decent signal. About what I'd expect to pick up the other sites at. The 58DP w/ shroud end, which is right downtown picks up nothing. At all. It should be picking up a bunch of garbage from everywhere. So that leaves the question... is the shroud so well designed, and the dish so high-performance, that it's not picking up anything because of its design? Is the alignment super-tight on the dish with shroud? Nobody checked the plumb-ness of the arm before sticking the dish on it, maybe that's why the elevation angles are different from both ends? Maybe I should try taking the dish w/ shroud out of the equation, and just stick a rootenna on that end or something, just to test with? Any ideas or help appreciated Jayson On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: I will try that. The link is clear. One end atop a 12-story building. The other end is on the side of a house. Elevation at the building is about 6200', house is probably around 9000' On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: 6 dB difference at the ends? It sounds like the weaker link might be seeing an incidental signal from a reflection source. Have you tried setting the link to 20 MHz or 10 MHz channels? If it is severe multipath a minor change in height may make a big difference. Water tower or big steel building close to the link? At 01:41 PM 10/7/2009, you wrote: Yeah, we flipped polarity. It's an 802.11n link, so shouldn't matter but changed anyway. No difference. Tried chain 0, chain 1, chain 0+1, no difference. Cables came from Tessco, are brand Wireless Solutions I think. 3' long. Times cable, but look like RFI connectors. The bag they came in said professionally assembled and tested - we've used the same on other sites without issue. The feed assembly looks to be in correctly. Not much way to screw that up on these antennas. My concern of one being bad or something is related to the fact that 2-degrees on one end, and 8-degrees on another seems really odd. lol, I don't think the other site is further down than this site is up. Jayson On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: I assume you checked for reverse polarization? Jayson Baker wrote: Got back to both ends of our WB 5.8GHz links today. RadioMobile says it's 10km, we should have 5-degrees up/down tilt, and using the WB dishes see -59dBm. We're seeing only -80dBm on both polarities. Cables are new, professionally made and tested. Pigtails are new, tested. Radios are new, tested. WB dishes... on one end, we have up-tilt of about 2 degrees. On the other end, we have down-tilt of about 8 degrees. Moving a couple degress each way (or, setting both at 5, like RM says) gets almost no signal at all. One is WB 58DP, one is the same, but with the high-performance shroud. Any thoughts? Bad antenna on one end? Jayson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
