Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Josh Luthman]

Tehnika.  I also would have to suggest 3db.  You just turn to them
when you need something and you get it.

On 2/12/10, Randy Cosby  wrote:
> Luke,
>
> You might also want to take a look at the SAF Teknica (sp?) 11Ghz links.
> I think there are a couple distributors who sell them now, including
> 3-db.net.  They are very big in Europe and many other countries, and I
> believe a couple people on the list have some and are quite happy with
> them.  If I recall correctly, 3-db was also offering some extended
> warranties on them that were pretty crazy good.
>
> Ligowave has a new 11ghz unit out too, their second attempt in the
> licensed space.  They are split-units though, and I'll be waiting until
> I hear from other guinea pigs before I order one.  I was disappointed
> last time around when they didn't ship after waiting way too long.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
>> We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
>> looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
>> system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
>> licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
>> experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
>> and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
>> I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
>> however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
>> hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Randy Cosby]

Luke,

You might also want to take a look at the SAF Teknica (sp?) 11Ghz links. 
I think there are a couple distributors who sell them now, including 
3-db.net.  They are very big in Europe and many other countries, and I 
believe a couple people on the list have some and are quite happy with 
them.  If I recall correctly, 3-db was also offering some extended 
warranties on them that were pretty crazy good.

Ligowave has a new 11ghz unit out too, their second attempt in the 
licensed space.  They are split-units though, and I'll be waiting until 
I hear from other guinea pigs before I order one.  I was disappointed 
last time around when they didn't ship after waiting way too long.

Randy


On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
> We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
> looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
> system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
> licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
> experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
> and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
> I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
> however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
> hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.
>
> Thanks all!
>
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Paul Gerstenberger]

It's an RS3000 running ROS 9.1.2.8.

I did try disabling OSPF and set up static routes. The behavior was exactly the 
same. I had inbound connectivity, but not outbound. So our ISP is routing those 
IPs to our gateway, and the riverstone knows where to go with them from there - 
to the mikrotik. But when originating from inside our network, it hits the 
riverstone at 10.0.4.1, but goes no further.

I'm not running HRT.

I appreciate the assistance. I'll be back at it tomorrow morning to try out any 
suggestions...

-Paul

On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

> Which Riverstone Box is it ? RS3000 or RS8000  also what is the ROS version
> you (Paul) are running ?
> 
> 
> If it is an OSPF issue or Routing issue... 
> 
> You should be able to set up the routing (static) and confirm if it is one
> or the other ?
> 
> Are you by any chance running  " hrt enable" command on any of the cards ?
> (temp. comment those commands out).
> 
> I have noticed that with HRT enabled, system does not take new routes into
> the RIB rightaway..
> 
> 
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> On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 23:31 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote: 
>> It's a Riverstone and Mikrotik.  No Cisco from what I caught.
> 
> Yeah...I decided to go back and look in the earlier messages in the thread.
> I had already put my foot in my mouth...thanks for keeping me from chewing
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

[Josh Luthman]

That begs the question - why update the firmware on those things?
Keep it in service for now.  Replace it with Mikrotik as I'm sure
that's cheaper then Valuepoint.

I remember hearing they're well over 500 bucks!!!

On 2/12/10, RickG  wrote:
> Interesting enough, I got a firmware upgrade on my last router well
> after it was out of warranty. But I'm looking for those that dont
> charge. Maybe I'm just stupid but spending additional money on
> electronics after the initial purchase is too expensive due to how
> quickly it becomes obsolete. You may as well purchase a new box.
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>> Cisco charges for software.
>>
>> I'm guessing Juniper may.
>>
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>> that counts.”
>> --- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:43 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree and will probably replace the valuepoints with mikrotik
>>> eventually. I did the the reboot issue with the NC1000s so I stuck to
>>> WC3000's which have worked flawlessly. I just find it hard to believe
>>> that paying for firmware upgrades is customary. So, I'm looking for
>>> examples where it is not.
>>> Thanks! -RickG
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Josh Luthman
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Mikrotik doesn't really.  Anything I've started at 2.8.x can go up to
>>> > 3.x
>>> I
>>> > think.  Maybe 4.x
>>> >
>>> > I quit using Valuepoint because they needed rebooted.  I had a bunch of
>>> > NC1000s
>>> >
>>> > Silver Living (introduced long ago and again at AF this year) has a
>>> monthly
>>> > cost, so probably not.
>>> >
>>> > Never had to research beyond Mikrotik as it works beautifully.
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
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>>> continue
>>> > that counts.”
>>> > --- Winston Churchill
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I've got a few hotspots that use Valuepoint controllers. They are a
>>> >> few years old so I thought I'd check on a firmware upgrade if
>>> >> available. Valuepoint told me I must pay for firmware upgrades for
>>> >> their devices if I want them. I balked but they say that this is
>>> >> customary for "professional grade" equipment. My question is, is this
>>> >> true for hotspot controllers?
>>> >> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

[RickG]

Interesting enough, I got a firmware upgrade on my last router well
after it was out of warranty. But I'm looking for those that dont
charge. Maybe I'm just stupid but spending additional money on
electronics after the initial purchase is too expensive due to how
quickly it becomes obsolete. You may as well purchase a new box.
-RickG

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Cisco charges for software.
>
> I'm guessing Juniper may.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:43 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> I agree and will probably replace the valuepoints with mikrotik
>> eventually. I did the the reboot issue with the NC1000s so I stuck to
>> WC3000's which have worked flawlessly. I just find it hard to believe
>> that paying for firmware upgrades is customary. So, I'm looking for
>> examples where it is not.
>> Thanks! -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > Mikrotik doesn't really.  Anything I've started at 2.8.x can go up to 3.x
>> I
>> > think.  Maybe 4.x
>> >
>> > I quit using Valuepoint because they needed rebooted.  I had a bunch of
>> > NC1000s
>> >
>> > Silver Living (introduced long ago and again at AF this year) has a
>> monthly
>> > cost, so probably not.
>> >
>> > Never had to research beyond Mikrotik as it works beautifully.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>> continue
>> > that counts.”
>> > --- Winston Churchill
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've got a few hotspots that use Valuepoint controllers. They are a
>> >> few years old so I thought I'd check on a firmware upgrade if
>> >> available. Valuepoint told me I must pay for firmware upgrades for
>> >> their devices if I want them. I balked but they say that this is
>> >> customary for "professional grade" equipment. My question is, is this
>> >> true for hotspot controllers?
>> >> -RickG
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Which Riverstone Box is it ? RS3000 or RS8000  also what is the ROS version
you (Paul) are running ?


If it is an OSPF issue or Routing issue... 

You should be able to set up the routing (static) and confirm if it is one
or the other ?

Are you by any chance running  " hrt enable" command on any of the cards ?
(temp. comment those commands out).

I have noticed that with HRT enabled, system does not take new routes into
the RIB rightaway..



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On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 23:31 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote: 
> It's a Riverstone and Mikrotik.  No Cisco from what I caught.

Yeah...I decided to go back and look in the earlier messages in the thread.
I had already put my foot in my mouth...thanks for keeping me from chewing
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

[Josh Luthman]

Cisco charges for software.

I'm guessing Juniper may.

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:43 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I agree and will probably replace the valuepoints with mikrotik
> eventually. I did the the reboot issue with the NC1000s so I stuck to
> WC3000's which have worked flawlessly. I just find it hard to believe
> that paying for firmware upgrades is customary. So, I'm looking for
> examples where it is not.
> Thanks! -RickG
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > Mikrotik doesn't really.  Anything I've started at 2.8.x can go up to 3.x
> I
> > think.  Maybe 4.x
> >
> > I quit using Valuepoint because they needed rebooted.  I had a bunch of
> > NC1000s
> >
> > Silver Living (introduced long ago and again at AF this year) has a
> monthly
> > cost, so probably not.
> >
> > Never had to research beyond Mikrotik as it works beautifully.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> continue
> > that counts.”
> > --- Winston Churchill
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, RickG  wrote:
> >
> >> I've got a few hotspots that use Valuepoint controllers. They are a
> >> few years old so I thought I'd check on a firmware upgrade if
> >> available. Valuepoint told me I must pay for firmware upgrades for
> >> their devices if I want them. I balked but they say that this is
> >> customary for "professional grade" equipment. My question is, is this
> >> true for hotspot controllers?
> >> -RickG
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

[RickG]

I agree and will probably replace the valuepoints with mikrotik
eventually. I did the the reboot issue with the NC1000s so I stuck to
WC3000's which have worked flawlessly. I just find it hard to believe
that paying for firmware upgrades is customary. So, I'm looking for
examples where it is not.
Thanks! -RickG

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Mikrotik doesn't really.  Anything I've started at 2.8.x can go up to 3.x I
> think.  Maybe 4.x
>
> I quit using Valuepoint because they needed rebooted.  I had a bunch of
> NC1000s
>
> Silver Living (introduced long ago and again at AF this year) has a monthly
> cost, so probably not.
>
> Never had to research beyond Mikrotik as it works beautifully.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> I've got a few hotspots that use Valuepoint controllers. They are a
>> few years old so I thought I'd check on a firmware upgrade if
>> available. Valuepoint told me I must pay for firmware upgrades for
>> their devices if I want them. I balked but they say that this is
>> customary for "professional grade" equipment. My question is, is this
>> true for hotspot controllers?
>> -RickG
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Philip Dorr]

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/11/2217239/Windows-Patch-Leaves-Many-XP-Users-With-Blue-Screens

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
> Had the same problem with my windows XP64 workstation.  boot rfrom cd into
> repair consol and roll things back a week
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>
> For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to
> our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or
> safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their
> computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer work.
> Since we supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found no fix but
> a windows reload.
>
> This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.
>
>
> Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Butch Evans]

On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 23:31 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote: 
> It's a Riverstone and Mikrotik.  No Cisco from what I caught.

Yeah...I decided to go back and look in the earlier messages in the
thread.  I had already put my foot in my mouth...thanks for keeping me
from chewing with vigor.  ;-)

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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 16:43 -0800, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: 
> {provider} <---[  static 0.0.0.0/0  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  ]---> {riverstone ASBR} 
> <---[10.0.4.1   OSPF 

> Backbone   10.0.4.2]---> {mikrotik} <--- x.x.x.x/24 public addresses

Ok.  What we need to know:

With the public/24 on the MT "inside" interface:
FROM a machine with another ip in that range (of course attached to the
"inside" MT interface, ping the MT's public/24.  Ping the MT's 10.0.4.2
IP, and ping the Riverstone 10.0.4.1.  ONE of those is likely to fail
(assuming you have a real routing problem).  Which one will give us a
clue as to what the problem actually is.  What would be helpful is an
output of the routing table on both the MT and Riverstone.  

> I can attach those public addresses directly to the riverstone and they 
> work fine. However if I attach them to the mikrotik they get advertised 
> over OSPF and have local connectivity, but they stop at the border router 
> on a traceroute. However, if you ping a device using one of those addresses 
> from an external network, you get a response. So I'm missing something to 
> make the route bi-directional, if that's the right term.

Is either the MT or the riverstone running some sort of proxy arp on any
interface?  It is possible that is giving you a false impression that
the device is responding from outside?

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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

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It's a Riverstone and Mikrotik.  No Cisco from what I caught.

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Butch Evans  wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:20 -0800, Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
> > I'm using one of the new public IPs right now, but I had to attach
> > it to the riverstone (which holds the default gateway to our ISP).
>
> I just caught this thread.  I don't know all of the details, but looking
> through the rest of this message, I am presuming you are having trouble
> with a Cisco<->MT OSPF.  One thing about Cisco (at least some of the IOS
> versions) is that it will/can not do OSPF using a secondary IP on the
> interface.  If I am way off base, having not read the entire thread,
> I'll try to catch up and see if there is something I can do to assist.
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Butch Evans]

On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:20 -0800, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: 
> I'm using one of the new public IPs right now, but I had to attach 
> it to the riverstone (which holds the default gateway to our ISP).

I just caught this thread.  I don't know all of the details, but looking
through the rest of this message, I am presuming you are having trouble
with a Cisco<->MT OSPF.  One thing about Cisco (at least some of the IOS
versions) is that it will/can not do OSPF using a secondary IP on the
interface.  If I am way off base, having not read the entire thread,
I'll try to catch up and see if there is something I can do to assist.

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

[Josh Luthman]

Mikrotik doesn't really.  Anything I've started at 2.8.x can go up to 3.x I
think.  Maybe 4.x

I quit using Valuepoint because they needed rebooted.  I had a bunch of
NC1000s

Silver Living (introduced long ago and again at AF this year) has a monthly
cost, so probably not.

Never had to research beyond Mikrotik as it works beautifully.

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I've got a few hotspots that use Valuepoint controllers. They are a
> few years old so I thought I'd check on a firmware upgrade if
> available. Valuepoint told me I must pay for firmware upgrades for
> their devices if I want them. I balked but they say that this is
> customary for "professional grade" equipment. My question is, is this
> true for hotspot controllers?
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[WISPA] Hotspot firmware upgrades

[RickG]

I've got a few hotspots that use Valuepoint controllers. They are a
few years old so I thought I'd check on a firmware upgrade if
available. Valuepoint told me I must pay for firmware upgrades for
their devices if I want them. I balked but they say that this is
customary for "professional grade" equipment. My question is, is this
true for hotspot controllers?
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Josh Luthman]

Google to me is search, email, calendar, documents and collaboration.  They
also copy a lot of other projects like Microsoft to put themselves in the
"I'm doing it, too!" circle.  Gtalk copies MSN and AIM.  Buzz copied
twitter.  Gmail copied (but greatly improved!) Hotmail and Yahoo Mail.
Really wish they would quit replicating things and do new projects like Maps
and Street View.

I feel they're becoming that marketing company that replicates everything to
stay in the crowd instead of jumping ahead of everyone.

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Luke Pack  wrote:

> I think my "sweet spot" for bandwidth is around 6Mbps.  With that for a
> home there should be good browsing on multiple computers even if there
> is an xbox player in the house and a movie streaming on Netflix.  As for
> google... don't forget Youtube, definitely a very popular medium for
> video content ;).  Unless people really start downloading a lot of
> BlueRay movies... or new things come about that we didn't see coming so
> fast (wouldn't be the first for the tech market) it will be some time
> before someone says ... "Dangit, I can't do that cause I only have
> 10,20,50 Mbps internet!".  So I agree.  Heck, a good number of
> people still use win98 machines.
>
> On another note, I think a large thing would be simply the question
> "What is google to you?".  The further they reach and the more that know
> them, the more opportunities they will have to make money through their
> integration of tons of smaller technologies to provide a platform with
> connections to dozens of resources and conveniences... maybe?
>
> On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 20:06 -0700, Travis Johnson wrote:
> > I can't wait until they get this installed and running... and then
> > people get online and discover it's not any faster than their previous
> > cable/dsl/wireless connection.
> >
> > My office computer sits directly on three fiber connections with 930Mbps
> > of capacity. My home connection is a 2meg wireless. I can't tell any
> > difference between the two (at least in 99% of web activities). The only
> > difference comes when downloading large files or streaming video. The
> > problem is people streaming Netflix or Blockbuster or whatever doesn't
> > make a dime for Google... so they will hook all these people up, and
> > they won't generate a single penny from additional web traffic or
> > searching because of it. Streaming movies is really the ONLY application
> > that is demanding more bandwidth, and that's the one thing that Google
> > has no control over and makes no money from... so this whole project may
> > come to bite them in the end...
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > Scott Carullo wrote:
> > > Yeah hey maybe they are going to try pulling this off in all the
> communities they were going to blanket with WiFi that failed...  Seems that
> didn't go too well.
> > >
> > > Scott Carullo
> > > Brevard Wireless
> > > 321-205-1100 x102
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > From: "Jack Unger" 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:35 PM
> > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
> > >
> > > Sounds a little bit too "dot.com-my" to me too. All PR and too little
> of
> > > real importance.
> > >
> > > I'd need to see which communities they choose. Hopefully they will
> > > choose communities that have NO Internet access today instead of
> > > communities where broadband is already available and a movie can
> already
> > > be downloaded quickly.
> > >
> > > As to all the hoopla about allowing rural health clinics to send
> medical
> > > images quickly, that sounds like a load of bull. Is Google going to:
> > >
> > > 1. Build the fiber network out to the rural, high-cost areas?
> > >
> > > 2. Build "rural medical clinics" for the area(s)?
> > >
> > > 3. Cover the insurance costs for the 40% of the adult population with
> no
> > > medical insurance and who therefore can't afford to go to the clinic
> for
> > > medical treatment?
> > >
> > > If Google is going to do all of the above then I say "Google is GREAT!
> > > More power to 'em". On the other hand, if Google is NOT going to do all
> > > of the above, then I say "Keep your damn Press Release at home until
> you
> > > are able to put more truth into it".
> > >
> > > NOW, on a practical note, what could Google in a partnership with WISPs
> > > that would really bring win-win-win benefits to the public??
> > >
> > > jack
> > >
> > > Marco Coelho wrote:
> > >
> > >> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
> > >>
> > >> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
> > >> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
> > >>
> > >> The search company said Wednesday that its

Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Luke Pack]

I think my "sweet spot" for bandwidth is around 6Mbps.  With that for a
home there should be good browsing on multiple computers even if there
is an xbox player in the house and a movie streaming on Netflix.  As for
google... don't forget Youtube, definitely a very popular medium for
video content ;).  Unless people really start downloading a lot of
BlueRay movies... or new things come about that we didn't see coming so
fast (wouldn't be the first for the tech market) it will be some time
before someone says ... "Dangit, I can't do that cause I only have
10,20,50 Mbps internet!".  So I agree.  Heck, a good number of
people still use win98 machines.

On another note, I think a large thing would be simply the question
"What is google to you?".  The further they reach and the more that know
them, the more opportunities they will have to make money through their
integration of tons of smaller technologies to provide a platform with
connections to dozens of resources and conveniences... maybe?

On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 20:06 -0700, Travis Johnson wrote:
> I can't wait until they get this installed and running... and then 
> people get online and discover it's not any faster than their previous 
> cable/dsl/wireless connection.
> 
> My office computer sits directly on three fiber connections with 930Mbps 
> of capacity. My home connection is a 2meg wireless. I can't tell any 
> difference between the two (at least in 99% of web activities). The only 
> difference comes when downloading large files or streaming video. The 
> problem is people streaming Netflix or Blockbuster or whatever doesn't 
> make a dime for Google... so they will hook all these people up, and 
> they won't generate a single penny from additional web traffic or 
> searching because of it. Streaming movies is really the ONLY application 
> that is demanding more bandwidth, and that's the one thing that Google 
> has no control over and makes no money from... so this whole project may 
> come to bite them in the end...
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> Scott Carullo wrote:
> > Yeah hey maybe they are going to try pulling this off in all the 
> > communities they were going to blanket with WiFi that failed...  Seems that 
> > didn't go too well.
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Brevard Wireless
> > 321-205-1100 x102
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: "Jack Unger" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:35 PM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
> >
> > Sounds a little bit too "dot.com-my" to me too. All PR and too little of 
> > real importance.
> >
> > I'd need to see which communities they choose. Hopefully they will 
> > choose communities that have NO Internet access today instead of 
> > communities where broadband is already available and a movie can already 
> > be downloaded quickly.
> >
> > As to all the hoopla about allowing rural health clinics to send medical 
> > images quickly, that sounds like a load of bull. Is Google going to:
> >
> > 1. Build the fiber network out to the rural, high-cost areas?
> >
> > 2. Build "rural medical clinics" for the area(s)?
> >
> > 3. Cover the insurance costs for the 40% of the adult population with no 
> > medical insurance and who therefore can't afford to go to the clinic for 
> > medical treatment?
> >
> > If Google is going to do all of the above then I say "Google is GREAT! 
> > More power to 'em". On the other hand, if Google is NOT going to do all 
> > of the above, then I say "Keep your damn Press Release at home until you 
> > are able to put more truth into it".
> >
> > NOW, on a practical note, what could Google in a partnership with WISPs 
> > that would really bring win-win-win benefits to the public??
> >
> > jack
> >
> > Marco Coelho wrote:
> >   
> >> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
> >>
> >> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
> >> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
> >>
> >> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
> >> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
> >> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
> >> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
> >> today.
> >>
> >> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
> >> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
> >> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
> >> the Web.
> >>
> >> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
> >> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
> >>
> >> end of article
> >>
> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_network
> >>
> >> sounds very dot commy to me:
> >> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
> >> make money giving it away?
> >>
> >>   
> >> 
> >
> >   
> 
> 
> 

Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Luke Pack]

I really appreciate the responses!

We have 18 pair of the DWs and they are pretty solid for the most part
for us with the exception of 6  returns (one was an immediate return of
a return) thus far for failing transmitters. A couple were about 2-3
months after deployment and a few were about 1yr after deployment.  On
that note, the others have been great.  Definitely low latency- time to
get from one end of the net to the other traveling over 11 hops (some 5
mi links, some 16+ mi links) is great : [rtt min/avg/max/mdev =
8.709/9.292/9.969/0.343 ms].  I also have one Bridgewave link at 60Ghz
and that is great.  It has been up for two years and acts like fiber as
far as I'm concerned.

Another question on the Apex, what kind of dishes are you using for what
distance/signal?  I assume this would, once again, be similar to DW.

Thanks again,



On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 20:21 -0500, Steven G McGehee wrote:
> I agree with Randy, definitely some quirks in the firmware, although 
> I've been told by them that v1.23 is in the works. In terms of actual 
> performance, assuming a solid deployment, etc., the Apexes work great. 
> We have several DW in 11Ghz as well, which in comparison have given us 
> zero problem. But, the Apexes are a lot cheaper and if they didn't have 
> a quirky firmware and some hardware design issues, I'd come extremely 
> close to considering them as solid as a Dragonwave.
> 
> ..and by hardware design issues, I just really disliked the placement of 
> the ports. If you're running direct power or using fiber, the ports are 
> a real pain to get to. They're covered up by the same grommet/weathering 
> as the Atlas/T-Link45 bridges, but the spacing is /really/ tight to try 
> to get anything larger than a 16 awg power cable in, much less that and 
> fiber. It uses the same type of molex power-plug that the Bridgewaves 
> do, but it's much harder to get plugged in. Additionally, the Data and 
> Management (copper) ports are at a 90 degree angle to one another on the 
> actual unit, so one faces down, and the other faces left or right, 
> depending on how you have it attached to the antenna. How you rotate the 
> Apex determines its polarity (like a BW, etc), but due to the hardware 
> design and having a port facing left or right, this means that it's 
> impossible to plug into said port when you're mounting it in such a way 
> that this port faces your mast, because the weathering piece (same type 
> as the DWs come with) is too large. Dragonwave did it right by having 
> both ports next to one another and on a plane of the unit that is free 
> and clear of obstruction.
> 
> Hope that helps -- bottomline, these work great but they still do need 
> some important firmware tweaks and can be a pain during install. If you 
> can get by with that, give them a serious look. Overall, we've been 
> happy with our 4 pairs.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Randy Cosby wrote:
> > The one I have up works fine.  There are quirks in the firmware, but no 
> > show-stoppers.  Inband management is still a work in progress.  Don't 
> > particularly care for the fiber port cover design, but if you're using 
> > copper, it's fine (unless you use extra-large / heavy ethernet that may 
> > not fit).
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
> >   
> >> We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
> >> looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
> >> system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
> >> licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
> >> experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
> >> and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
> >> I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
> >> however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
> >> hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.
> >>
> >> Thanks all!
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] OT - Email Delivery Problems Killing ME - SOS lol

[Josh Luthman]

First thing I would do is ask the recipient admin for a reason why it
was labeled as spam.  Fix that problem and move on with the next.

I'd be willing to bet with just a few site removals a lot of services
get restores - few big ones out there I can't remember what they're
called.

Have you watched the outgoing SMTP to make sure something isn't hijacked?

Send me a message with a new domain, IP, etc and see if it gets marked as spam.

On 2/11/10, Scott Carullo  wrote:
> Ok, Many of our clients we do mail for are having issues and loosing
> patience with their email experiences with us.  The usual everything used
> to work fine now they can't send to lots of people.  I'm getting roasted.
>
> We use Smartermail enterprise, have the latest version and most of the
> extras you can get with it like comtouch, activesync etc...
>
> We have taken the following steps and still customers email gets delivered
> into spam folders of their customers which is causing headaches.
>
> Each has dedicated IP for their email domain
> Checked said IPs in MXtoolbox, amd many rbl blacklist checkers etc...  All
> Green/negative
> Have SPF, DKIM, Domain Keys, reverse DNS etc set for them properly
>
> Basically, everything I know how to do.  Still no luck, its hit or miss
> even on the same sites like gmail.  One email works, one 30 minutes later
> in spam folder, next one toss a coin...  Anyone who has any ideas,
> suggestions or can point me in the right direction would be extremely
> appreciated.  Thanks.
>
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> 321-205-1100 x102
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Travis Johnson]

I can't wait until they get this installed and running... and then 
people get online and discover it's not any faster than their previous 
cable/dsl/wireless connection.

My office computer sits directly on three fiber connections with 930Mbps 
of capacity. My home connection is a 2meg wireless. I can't tell any 
difference between the two (at least in 99% of web activities). The only 
difference comes when downloading large files or streaming video. The 
problem is people streaming Netflix or Blockbuster or whatever doesn't 
make a dime for Google... so they will hook all these people up, and 
they won't generate a single penny from additional web traffic or 
searching because of it. Streaming movies is really the ONLY application 
that is demanding more bandwidth, and that's the one thing that Google 
has no control over and makes no money from... so this whole project may 
come to bite them in the end...

Travis
Microserv

Scott Carullo wrote:
> Yeah hey maybe they are going to try pulling this off in all the communities 
> they were going to blanket with WiFi that failed...  Seems that didn't go too 
> well.
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
>
> 
>
> From: "Jack Unger" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:35 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>
> Sounds a little bit too "dot.com-my" to me too. All PR and too little of 
> real importance.
>
> I'd need to see which communities they choose. Hopefully they will 
> choose communities that have NO Internet access today instead of 
> communities where broadband is already available and a movie can already 
> be downloaded quickly.
>
> As to all the hoopla about allowing rural health clinics to send medical 
> images quickly, that sounds like a load of bull. Is Google going to:
>
> 1. Build the fiber network out to the rural, high-cost areas?
>
> 2. Build "rural medical clinics" for the area(s)?
>
> 3. Cover the insurance costs for the 40% of the adult population with no 
> medical insurance and who therefore can't afford to go to the clinic for 
> medical treatment?
>
> If Google is going to do all of the above then I say "Google is GREAT! 
> More power to 'em". On the other hand, if Google is NOT going to do all 
> of the above, then I say "Keep your damn Press Release at home until you 
> are able to put more truth into it".
>
> NOW, on a practical note, what could Google in a partnership with WISPs 
> that would really bring win-win-win benefits to the public??
>
> jack
>
> Marco Coelho wrote:
>   
>> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>
>> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
>> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>>
>> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
>> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
>> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
>> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
>> today.
>>
>> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
>> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
>> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
>> the Web.
>>
>> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
>> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>>
>> end of article
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_network
>>
>> sounds very dot commy to me:
>> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
>> make money giving it away?
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>   



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[WISPA] OT - Email Delivery Problems Killing ME - SOS lol

[Scott Carullo]

Ok, Many of our clients we do mail for are having issues and loosing 
patience with their email experiences with us.  The usual everything used 
to work fine now they can't send to lots of people.  I'm getting roasted.

We use Smartermail enterprise, have the latest version and most of the 
extras you can get with it like comtouch, activesync etc...

We have taken the following steps and still customers email gets delivered 
into spam folders of their customers which is causing headaches.

Each has dedicated IP for their email domain
Checked said IPs in MXtoolbox, amd many rbl blacklist checkers etc...  All 
Green/negative
Have SPF, DKIM, Domain Keys, reverse DNS etc set for them properly

Basically, everything I know how to do.  Still no luck, its hit or miss 
even on the same sites like gmail.  One email works, one 30 minutes later 
in spam folder, next one toss a coin...  Anyone who has any ideas, 
suggestions or can point me in the right direction would be extremely 
appreciated.  Thanks.

Scott Carullo
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Scott Carullo]

Yeah hey maybe they are going to try pulling this off in all the communities 
they were going to blanket with WiFi that failed...  Seems that didn't go too 
well.

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102



From: "Jack Unger" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:35 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

Sounds a little bit too "dot.com-my" to me too. All PR and too little of 
real importance.

I'd need to see which communities they choose. Hopefully they will 
choose communities that have NO Internet access today instead of 
communities where broadband is already available and a movie can already 
be downloaded quickly.

As to all the hoopla about allowing rural health clinics to send medical 
images quickly, that sounds like a load of bull. Is Google going to:

1. Build the fiber network out to the rural, high-cost areas?

2. Build "rural medical clinics" for the area(s)?

3. Cover the insurance costs for the 40% of the adult population with no 
medical insurance and who therefore can't afford to go to the clinic for 
medical treatment?

If Google is going to do all of the above then I say "Google is GREAT! 
More power to 'em". On the other hand, if Google is NOT going to do all 
of the above, then I say "Keep your damn Press Release at home until you 
are able to put more truth into it".

NOW, on a practical note, what could Google in a partnership with WISPs 
that would really bring win-win-win benefits to the public??

jack

Marco Coelho wrote:
> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>
> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>
> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
> today.
>
> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
> the Web.
>
> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>
> end of article
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_network
>
> sounds very dot commy to me:
> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
> make money giving it away?
>
>   

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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Bob Moldashel]

Tnx


Travis Johnson wrote:
> $9,995 for 18ghz with 2ft dishes and 100Mbps key. I think upgrade to 
> 360Mbps key is $1,000 or something like that...
>
> Travis
>
>
> Bob Moldashel wrote:
>   
>> What is street price on the Trango licensed? 
>>
>>
>> Brad Belton wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Randy makes a couple points that I concur with.  The Apex fiber weather port
>>> is for the birds (IMO), but we like that Trango opted for a SFP port rather
>>> than forcing you to choose Single-Mode or Multi-Mode at the time of order
>>> like BridgeWave does.   Ethernet weather ports work OK, but again not
>>> optimal as they should have been designed to allow for a larger diameter
>>> outdoor CAT5 cable.
>>>
>>> We haven't used the in-band management option as most if not all our PtP
>>> paths have multiple feeds that allow us out-of-band management access to the
>>> radios.
>>>
>>> Trango GigaLINK reliability has been great.  We have Giga 11GHz serial
>>> numbers 0001, 0002, 0005, 0007 among other early units in a
>>> variety of frequencies.  All have performed very well.  In the few cases
>>> where we have needed support Trango has been extremely responsive.  
>>>
>>> The Apex units have also (for the most part) been good.  We had an unusual
>>> cable length (within spec) issue with an Apex radio that we couldn't resolve
>>> other than to move the DC injector closer to the radio.  A nice feature of
>>> the Apex is it allows you to use the fiber port on one side and the copper
>>> port on the other side of a path.  This is useful if the cable run length on
>>> one side requires fiber, but the other side doesn't.
>>>
>>> The Apex hitless modulation functionality appears to work well, however with
>>> ATPC and a properly engineered path we rarely if ever see our Apex paths
>>> change modulation.  If you plan to push the RF limits of a path I would feel
>>> comfortable with the Trango Apex hitless modulation working as advertised.
>>>
>>> Luke, I would be happy to spend some time on the phone with you discussing
>>> in greater detail.  I'd like to bend your ear a bit on a couple questions I
>>> have regarding a DragonWave all ODU radio set we recently inherited.  Not
>>> sure if we should just punt it on EBay or possibly deploy it.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:39 PM
>>> To: lp...@essex1.com; WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-
>>>
>>> The one I have up works fine.  There are quirks in the firmware, but no 
>>> show-stoppers.  Inband management is still a work in progress.  Don't 
>>> particularly care for the fiber port cover design, but if you're using 
>>> copper, it's fine (unless you use extra-large / heavy ethernet that may 
>>> not fit).
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
 We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
 looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
 system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
 licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
 experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
 and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
 I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
 however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
 hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.

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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Travis Johnson]

$9,995 for 18ghz with 2ft dishes and 100Mbps key. I think upgrade to 
360Mbps key is $1,000 or something like that...

Travis


Bob Moldashel wrote:
> What is street price on the Trango licensed? 
>
>
> Brad Belton wrote:
>   
>> Randy makes a couple points that I concur with.  The Apex fiber weather port
>> is for the birds (IMO), but we like that Trango opted for a SFP port rather
>> than forcing you to choose Single-Mode or Multi-Mode at the time of order
>> like BridgeWave does.   Ethernet weather ports work OK, but again not
>> optimal as they should have been designed to allow for a larger diameter
>> outdoor CAT5 cable.
>>
>> We haven't used the in-band management option as most if not all our PtP
>> paths have multiple feeds that allow us out-of-band management access to the
>> radios.
>>
>> Trango GigaLINK reliability has been great.  We have Giga 11GHz serial
>> numbers 0001, 0002, 0005, 0007 among other early units in a
>> variety of frequencies.  All have performed very well.  In the few cases
>> where we have needed support Trango has been extremely responsive.  
>>
>> The Apex units have also (for the most part) been good.  We had an unusual
>> cable length (within spec) issue with an Apex radio that we couldn't resolve
>> other than to move the DC injector closer to the radio.  A nice feature of
>> the Apex is it allows you to use the fiber port on one side and the copper
>> port on the other side of a path.  This is useful if the cable run length on
>> one side requires fiber, but the other side doesn't.
>>
>> The Apex hitless modulation functionality appears to work well, however with
>> ATPC and a properly engineered path we rarely if ever see our Apex paths
>> change modulation.  If you plan to push the RF limits of a path I would feel
>> comfortable with the Trango Apex hitless modulation working as advertised.
>>
>> Luke, I would be happy to spend some time on the phone with you discussing
>> in greater detail.  I'd like to bend your ear a bit on a couple questions I
>> have regarding a DragonWave all ODU radio set we recently inherited.  Not
>> sure if we should just punt it on EBay or possibly deploy it.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:39 PM
>> To: lp...@essex1.com; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-
>>
>> The one I have up works fine.  There are quirks in the firmware, but no 
>> show-stoppers.  Inband management is still a work in progress.  Don't 
>> particularly care for the fiber port cover design, but if you're using 
>> copper, it's fine (unless you use extra-large / heavy ethernet that may 
>> not fit).
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
>>> looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
>>> system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
>>> licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
>>> experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
>>> and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
>>> I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
>>> however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
>>> hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks all!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Bob Moldashel]

What is street price on the Trango licensed? 


Brad Belton wrote:
> Randy makes a couple points that I concur with.  The Apex fiber weather port
> is for the birds (IMO), but we like that Trango opted for a SFP port rather
> than forcing you to choose Single-Mode or Multi-Mode at the time of order
> like BridgeWave does.   Ethernet weather ports work OK, but again not
> optimal as they should have been designed to allow for a larger diameter
> outdoor CAT5 cable.
>
> We haven't used the in-band management option as most if not all our PtP
> paths have multiple feeds that allow us out-of-band management access to the
> radios.
>
> Trango GigaLINK reliability has been great.  We have Giga 11GHz serial
> numbers 0001, 0002, 0005, 0007 among other early units in a
> variety of frequencies.  All have performed very well.  In the few cases
> where we have needed support Trango has been extremely responsive.  
>
> The Apex units have also (for the most part) been good.  We had an unusual
> cable length (within spec) issue with an Apex radio that we couldn't resolve
> other than to move the DC injector closer to the radio.  A nice feature of
> the Apex is it allows you to use the fiber port on one side and the copper
> port on the other side of a path.  This is useful if the cable run length on
> one side requires fiber, but the other side doesn't.
>
> The Apex hitless modulation functionality appears to work well, however with
> ATPC and a properly engineered path we rarely if ever see our Apex paths
> change modulation.  If you plan to push the RF limits of a path I would feel
> comfortable with the Trango Apex hitless modulation working as advertised.
>
> Luke, I would be happy to spend some time on the phone with you discussing
> in greater detail.  I'd like to bend your ear a bit on a couple questions I
> have regarding a DragonWave all ODU radio set we recently inherited.  Not
> sure if we should just punt it on EBay or possibly deploy it.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:39 PM
> To: lp...@essex1.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-
>
> The one I have up works fine.  There are quirks in the firmware, but no 
> show-stoppers.  Inband management is still a work in progress.  Don't 
> particularly care for the fiber port cover design, but if you're using 
> copper, it's fine (unless you use extra-large / heavy ethernet that may 
> not fit).
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
>   
>> We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
>> looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
>> system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
>> licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
>> experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
>> and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
>> I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
>> however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
>> hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Steven G McGehee]

I agree with Randy, definitely some quirks in the firmware, although 
I've been told by them that v1.23 is in the works. In terms of actual 
performance, assuming a solid deployment, etc., the Apexes work great. 
We have several DW in 11Ghz as well, which in comparison have given us 
zero problem. But, the Apexes are a lot cheaper and if they didn't have 
a quirky firmware and some hardware design issues, I'd come extremely 
close to considering them as solid as a Dragonwave.

..and by hardware design issues, I just really disliked the placement of 
the ports. If you're running direct power or using fiber, the ports are 
a real pain to get to. They're covered up by the same grommet/weathering 
as the Atlas/T-Link45 bridges, but the spacing is /really/ tight to try 
to get anything larger than a 16 awg power cable in, much less that and 
fiber. It uses the same type of molex power-plug that the Bridgewaves 
do, but it's much harder to get plugged in. Additionally, the Data and 
Management (copper) ports are at a 90 degree angle to one another on the 
actual unit, so one faces down, and the other faces left or right, 
depending on how you have it attached to the antenna. How you rotate the 
Apex determines its polarity (like a BW, etc), but due to the hardware 
design and having a port facing left or right, this means that it's 
impossible to plug into said port when you're mounting it in such a way 
that this port faces your mast, because the weathering piece (same type 
as the DWs come with) is too large. Dragonwave did it right by having 
both ports next to one another and on a plane of the unit that is free 
and clear of obstruction.

Hope that helps -- bottomline, these work great but they still do need 
some important firmware tweaks and can be a pain during install. If you 
can get by with that, give them a serious look. Overall, we've been 
happy with our 4 pairs.

Thanks.


Randy Cosby wrote:
> The one I have up works fine.  There are quirks in the firmware, but no 
> show-stoppers.  Inband management is still a work in progress.  Don't 
> particularly care for the fiber port cover design, but if you're using 
> copper, it's fine (unless you use extra-large / heavy ethernet that may 
> not fit).
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
>   
>> We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
>> looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
>> system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
>> licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
>> experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
>> and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
>> I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
>> however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
>> hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Brad Belton]

Randy makes a couple points that I concur with.  The Apex fiber weather port
is for the birds (IMO), but we like that Trango opted for a SFP port rather
than forcing you to choose Single-Mode or Multi-Mode at the time of order
like BridgeWave does.   Ethernet weather ports work OK, but again not
optimal as they should have been designed to allow for a larger diameter
outdoor CAT5 cable.

We haven't used the in-band management option as most if not all our PtP
paths have multiple feeds that allow us out-of-band management access to the
radios.

Trango GigaLINK reliability has been great.  We have Giga 11GHz serial
numbers 0001, 0002, 0005, 0007 among other early units in a
variety of frequencies.  All have performed very well.  In the few cases
where we have needed support Trango has been extremely responsive.  

The Apex units have also (for the most part) been good.  We had an unusual
cable length (within spec) issue with an Apex radio that we couldn't resolve
other than to move the DC injector closer to the radio.  A nice feature of
the Apex is it allows you to use the fiber port on one side and the copper
port on the other side of a path.  This is useful if the cable run length on
one side requires fiber, but the other side doesn't.

The Apex hitless modulation functionality appears to work well, however with
ATPC and a properly engineered path we rarely if ever see our Apex paths
change modulation.  If you plan to push the RF limits of a path I would feel
comfortable with the Trango Apex hitless modulation working as advertised.

Luke, I would be happy to spend some time on the phone with you discussing
in greater detail.  I'd like to bend your ear a bit on a couple questions I
have regarding a DragonWave all ODU radio set we recently inherited.  Not
sure if we should just punt it on EBay or possibly deploy it.

Best,


Brad


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:39 PM
To: lp...@essex1.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

The one I have up works fine.  There are quirks in the firmware, but no 
show-stoppers.  Inband management is still a work in progress.  Don't 
particularly care for the fiber port cover design, but if you're using 
copper, it's fine (unless you use extra-large / heavy ethernet that may 
not fit).

Randy


On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
> We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
> looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
> system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
> licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
> experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
> and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
> I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
> however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
> hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.
>
> Thanks all!
>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Broadband Breakfast Club video now posted

[Rick Harnish]

Brian and all,

 

I just watched this video and would like to personally thank you for
participating in this forum.  I would also like to thank you for the many
hours of volunteer service and paid service you have provided to the
Wireless ISP industry.  

 

You were fluent in the discussion and you represented our industry well.
You practiced great clarity in your comments and I thought it was very easy
for the layperson to understand your points of discussion.  

 

It is clear to me that Broadband Data collection is going to become more
precise in the months to come and it is essential that the Fixed Wireless
industry become better represented in these datasets if we have any hope of
being successful.  Fears of providing our business's broadband data need to
be overcome.  We live in a democracy and we compete with other companies in
our market areas.  Our fears of predatory competition needs to be adopted
into our business plans and we need to continue to lower our cost structure
of providing broadband so that we CAN compete long term.  Sticking our heads
in the sand will serve little long term purpose, as sooner or later, a truck
will run over us if we cannot see it coming as we hide with our blinders on.

 

The Form 477 is due March 1st and is required by law for all Broadband
Providers to fill out.  WISPA supports and encourages our members and
constituents in our industry to fill out this form twice per year as
mandated.  Not only will this data be valuable for policy makers and
possibly competition, but we are competitors as well, and we must recognize
that our businesses can benefit with this information to target potential
new areas where we can grow our subscriber base and supply broadband
competitively to many who have few other options.

 

It is also obvious, that policy makers and Government analysts and
politicians are steadfast in their desire to produce a much more accurate
data set of Broadband Services.  This will happen both on the State level
and the Federal level.  In my opinion, we had better get on the train than
to get run over by it.  

 

Besides Brian, the WISP market was also represented by Martha Huizenga, a
WISPA member and Brett Glass.  Both had a chance to speak with different
observations on their participation in our industry.

 

For those who do not know Brian, he is a vendor member of WISPA with his
companies, Brian Webster Consulting and Wireless Mapping.com
 .  Brian has helped many WISPs with their
Form 477 requirements, propagation mapping of their networks, engineering
design and demographic studies of their markets.  We appreciate your
participation in WISPA and the hard work you do.  I encourage our members to
send this type of business Brian's way.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

President

WISPA

 

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Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:07 PM
To: memb...@wispa. org
Cc: WISPA List
Subject: [WISPA Members] Broadband Breakfast Club video now posted

 

Just wanted to let you know that the video from the Broadband Breakfast club
where I participated on the panel has been posted. The topic was collecting
and using data. There were two FCC staffers in attendance as well as one
former FCC economist. It was an excellent discussion and the keynote speaker
had some very surprising statements that indicate there should be a good
change in how the FCC operates.

 

http://broadbandbreakfast.com/2010/02/broadband-breakfast-club-on-collecting
-and-using-data-now-online/


Thank You,

Brian Webster

 

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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Blair Davis]

Had the same problem with my windows XP64 workstation.  boot rfrom cd
into repair consol and roll things back a week

Steve Barnes wrote:

  For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer work.  Since we supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found no fix but a windows reload.

This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.


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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Randy Cosby]

The one I have up works fine.  There are quirks in the firmware, but no 
show-stoppers.  Inband management is still a work in progress.  Don't 
particularly care for the fiber port cover design, but if you're using 
copper, it's fine (unless you use extra-large / heavy ethernet that may 
not fit).

Randy


On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
> We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
> looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
> system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
> licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
> experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
> and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
> I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
> however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
> hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.
>
> Thanks all!
>
>
>
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[WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Luke Pack]

We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.

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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Robert West]

We use ERD commander to boot into the install and then can see the dump file
or roll it back.  ERD has been invaluable to us for years for weird things
like that.

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

Can you get to Safe Mode and Command Prompt?  If so, you may be able to
restore to the previous configuration:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304449

Also, sometimes, you can use the restoration partition or Windows CD and
get to the option to "Repair" rather than wholesale reload and preserve
the file system and installed applications...and, even the desktop.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to
our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or
safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their
computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer
work.  Since we supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found
no fix but a windows reload.

This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.


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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Louis Arsenault]

This has been working for us.


1) Boot off a windows xp setup cd to the recovery console
2) Change directories to the uninstall directory of update in question: 
At the C:\windows prompt, type "CD $NtUninstallKB977165$\spuninst" and 
press Enter.
3) Run in the uninstall script for that update: At the prompt, type 
"BATCH spuninst.txt" and press Enter. This executes the txt file as a 
batch script.
4) Type "exit" and press Enter to reboot.

-Louis

On 2/11/2010 1:19 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to our 
> repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or safe 
> mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their computers did 
> a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer work.  Since we 
> supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found no fix but a windows 
> reload.
>
> This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.
>
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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[WISPA] Looking for BW on Mt. Vaca in Vacaville

[Jerry Richardson]

Looking for 20mbps wholesale bandwidth from virtually any tower on Mt.  
Vaca to a colo. With or without IP.

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Yes, the recovery console, direct from the CD, can do a system restore to
a date before it started acting up.
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=recovery+console+syste
m+restore&aq=4&aqi=g10&oq=recovery+c

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:36 PM
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Thanks Pat you're the bomb


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PCS-WIN
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Behalf Of Pat O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

MS update KB977165 is the culprit.  If you remove that update through the
recovery console the computer will boot and work properly.


Steve Barnes wrote:
> For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in
to our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal
or safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their
computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer
work.  Since we supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found
no fix but a windows reload.
>
> This is for informational purposes only for your tech support
departments.
>
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Steve Barnes]

Thanks Pat you're the bomb


Steve Barnes
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Pat O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

MS update KB977165 is the culprit.  If you remove that update through 
the recovery console the computer will boot and work properly.


Steve Barnes wrote:
> For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to our 
> repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or safe 
> mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their computers did 
> a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer work.  Since we 
> supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found no fix but a windows 
> reload.
>
> This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.
>
>
> Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Pat O'Connor]

MS update KB977165 is the culprit.  If you remove that update through 
the recovery console the computer will boot and work properly.


Steve Barnes wrote:
> For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to our 
> repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or safe 
> mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their computers did 
> a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer work.  Since we 
> supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found no fix but a windows 
> reload.
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Paul Gerstenberger]

I just added the network to the riverstone this morning to double-check it's 
outbound connectivity, it was not attached to both riverstone and the mikrotik 
at the same time.

-Paul

On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Data Technology wrote:

> You said that you have one of the public ip's assigned to the 
> riverstone.  That might be causing the problem.  What netmask did you 
> use on the riverstone for the public ip?  If you used a /24 then the 
> riverstone thinks that whole subnet is attached to it and is probably 
> ignoring the routing for the /24 back to the MT.
> 
> 
> Bret Clark wrote:
>> At this point I think I would just port mirror on a port on the
>> Riverstone and see what Wireshark is showing. I see nothing wrong with
>> the routing statements and I know it works as we have a fair number of
>> Mikrotiks running with RS3000's and RS8000's using OSPF's.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:20 -0800, Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I have public IPs, the 10.0.4.0 network is my OSPF backbone network. I'm 
>>> not trying to go out with those addresses. What I've put down as 
>>> yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 signifies my new public IPs.
>>> 
>>> I'm using one of the new public IPs right now, but I had to attach it to 
>>> the riverstone (which holds the default gateway to our ISP).
>>> 
>>> -Paul
>>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 NAT.  your 10.x is privates, you may need to nat them out. 
 
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 Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:56 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
 
 I have the new network permitted in my ingress and egress ACLs for our
 outbound interface. I've also tried using a smaller subnet of IPs from a
 different pool that we've been using for years. And I briefly disabled
 the ACLs altogether to test.
 
 And when I attach this network direct to the riverstone, everything
 works. That's why I though it was an internal routing misconfiguration.
 
 -Paul
 
 On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Data Technology wrote:
 
 
> Could it be a firewall rule?
> 
> 
> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
> 
>> Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on
>> 
 the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone:
 
>>  ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3
>> 
>> and this in the mikrotik:
>> 
>>  ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1  (pretty
>> 
 sure, I did it from WinBox)
 
>> Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but
>> 
 I time out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics
 from an external network.
 
>> MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1
>> traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
>> 1  yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1)  0.673 ms  0.132 ms  0.165 ms
>> 2  10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1)  0.406 ms  0.365 ms  0.358 ms
>> 3  * * *
>> 
>> -Paul
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 There are a number of blackhole routes  and ACL lines for
 
 unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill.
 
 I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with
 
 some of these IPs.
 
 [ad...@mikrotik] > /routing ospf export
 # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5
 # software id = -
 #
 /routing ospf instance
 set default comment="" disabled=no distribute-default=never
 
 in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \
 
 metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto
 
 metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \
 
 name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no
 
 redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \
 
 redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no
 
 redistribute-static=no router-id=10.0.4.3
 
 /routing ospf area
 set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment="" disabled=no
 
 instance=default name=backbone type=default
 
 /routing ospf interface
 add authentication=none authentication-key=""
 
 authentication-key-id=1 comment="" cost=10 \
 
 dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Data Technology]

You said that you have one of the public ip's assigned to the 
riverstone.  That might be causing the problem.  What netmask did you 
use on the riverstone for the public ip?  If you used a /24 then the 
riverstone thinks that whole subnet is attached to it and is probably 
ignoring the routing for the /24 back to the MT.


Bret Clark wrote:
> At this point I think I would just port mirror on a port on the
> Riverstone and see what Wireshark is showing. I see nothing wrong with
> the routing statements and I know it works as we have a fair number of
> Mikrotiks running with RS3000's and RS8000's using OSPF's.
>
>
> On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:20 -0800, Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>
>   
>> I have public IPs, the 10.0.4.0 network is my OSPF backbone network. I'm not 
>> trying to go out with those addresses. What I've put down as 
>> yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 signifies my new public IPs.
>>
>> I'm using one of the new public IPs right now, but I had to attach it to the 
>> riverstone (which holds the default gateway to our ISP).
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> NAT.  your 10.x is privates, you may need to nat them out. 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
>>> MTCTCE, MTCUME 
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:56 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
>>>
>>> I have the new network permitted in my ingress and egress ACLs for our
>>> outbound interface. I've also tried using a smaller subnet of IPs from a
>>> different pool that we've been using for years. And I briefly disabled
>>> the ACLs altogether to test.
>>>
>>> And when I attach this network direct to the riverstone, everything
>>> works. That's why I though it was an internal routing misconfiguration.
>>>
>>> -Paul
>>>
>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Data Technology wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Could it be a firewall rule?


 Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
 
> Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on
>   
>>> the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone:
>>>   
>   ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3
>
> and this in the mikrotik:
>
>   ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1  (pretty
>   
>>> sure, I did it from WinBox)
>>>   
> Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but
>   
>>> I time out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics
>>> from an external network.
>>>   
> MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1
> traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
> 1  yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1)  0.673 ms  0.132 ms  0.165 ms
> 2  10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1)  0.406 ms  0.365 ms  0.358 ms
> 3  * * *
>
> -Paul
>
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>
>
>   
>> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> There are a number of blackhole routes  and ACL lines for
>>>   
>>> unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill.
>>>   
>>> I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with
>>>   
>>> some of these IPs.
>>>   
>>> [ad...@mikrotik] > /routing ospf export
>>> # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5
>>> # software id = -
>>> #
>>> /routing ospf instance
>>> set default comment="" disabled=no distribute-default=never
>>>   
>>> in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \
>>>   
>>>  metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto
>>>   
>>> metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \
>>>   
>>>  name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no
>>>   
>>> redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \
>>>   
>>>  redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no
>>>   
>>> redistribute-static=no router-id=10.0.4.3
>>>   
>>> /routing ospf area
>>> set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment="" disabled=no
>>>   
>>> instance=default name=backbone type=default
>>>   
>>> /routing ospf interface
>>> add authentication=none authentication-key=""
>>>   
>>> authentication-key-id=1 comment="" cost=10 \
>>>   
>>>  dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0
>>>   
>>> interface=ether1-gateway \
>>>   
>>>  network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1
>>>   
>>> re

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Bret Clark]

At this point I think I would just port mirror on a port on the
Riverstone and see what Wireshark is showing. I see nothing wrong with
the routing statements and I know it works as we have a fair number of
Mikrotiks running with RS3000's and RS8000's using OSPF's.


On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:20 -0800, Paul Gerstenberger wrote:

> I have public IPs, the 10.0.4.0 network is my OSPF backbone network. I'm not 
> trying to go out with those addresses. What I've put down as yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 
> signifies my new public IPs.
> 
> I'm using one of the new public IPs right now, but I had to attach it to the 
> riverstone (which holds the default gateway to our ISP).
> 
> -Paul
> 
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> 
> > NAT.  your 10.x is privates, you may need to nat them out. 
> > 
> > ---
> > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
> > MTCTCE, MTCUME 
> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:56 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
> > 
> > I have the new network permitted in my ingress and egress ACLs for our
> > outbound interface. I've also tried using a smaller subnet of IPs from a
> > different pool that we've been using for years. And I briefly disabled
> > the ACLs altogether to test.
> > 
> > And when I attach this network direct to the riverstone, everything
> > works. That's why I though it was an internal routing misconfiguration.
> > 
> > -Paul
> > 
> > On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Data Technology wrote:
> > 
> >> Could it be a firewall rule?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
> >>> Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on
> > the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone:
> >>> 
> >>>   ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3
> >>> 
> >>> and this in the mikrotik:
> >>> 
> >>>   ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1  (pretty
> > sure, I did it from WinBox)
> >>> 
> >>> Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but
> > I time out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics
> > from an external network.
> >>> 
> >>> MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1
> >>> traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
> >>> 1  yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1)  0.673 ms  0.132 ms  0.165 ms
> >>> 2  10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1)  0.406 ms  0.365 ms  0.358 ms
> >>> 3  * * *
> >>> 
> >>> -Paul
> >>> 
> >>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>  
> > There are a number of blackhole routes  and ACL lines for
> > unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill.
> > 
> > I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with
> > some of these IPs.
> > 
> > [ad...@mikrotik] > /routing ospf export
> > # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5
> > # software id = -
> > #
> > /routing ospf instance
> > set default comment="" disabled=no distribute-default=never
> > in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \
> >  metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto
> > metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \
> >  name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no
> > redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \
> >  redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no
> > redistribute-static=no router-id=10.0.4.3
> > /routing ospf area
> > set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment="" disabled=no
> > instance=default name=backbone type=default
> > /routing ospf interface
> > add authentication=none authentication-key=""
> > authentication-key-id=1 comment="" cost=10 \
> >  dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0
> > interface=ether1-gateway \
> >  network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1
> > retransmit-interval=5s transmit-delay=1s \
> >  use-bfd=no
> > /routing ospf network
> > add area=backbone comment="" disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Here are the relevant routes:
> > 
> > RS-1# ip show routes   
> > 
> > Destination  Gateway  Owner Netif
> > ---  ---  - -
> > default  ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25   StaticHREC-EIA 
> > 10.0.4.0/27  directly connected   - WISP-201 
> > YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE  WISP-201
> > 
> > XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected   - HREC-EIA 
> > 
> > [ad...@mikrotik] > ip route print
> > 
> > Flags: 

Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Josh Luthman]

When you say "And no safe mode works" do you mean you can get in to safe
mode but a rollback doesn't fix it or you can't enter safe mode?  Kind of
confused with the wording.

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that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

> We have tried all we are doing repair installs (over the top) but that
> still has not been successful. And no safe mode works.
>
> Thanks for your reply Jonathan just wanted other to know what we are seeing
> in-case they have the same issues.
>
> I know that this is a WISP forum not a PC repair forum.
>
> Besides many on here literally despise Microsoft and I didn't want to start
> that debate.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:25 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death
>
> Can you get to Safe Mode and Command Prompt?  If so, you may be able to
> restore to the previous configuration:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304449
>
> Also, sometimes, you can use the restoration partition or Windows CD and
> get to the option to "Repair" rather than wholesale reload and preserve
> the file system and installed applications...and, even the desktop.
>
> . . . J o n a t h a n
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death
>
> For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to
> our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or
> safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their
> computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer
> work.  Since we supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found
> no fix but a windows reload.
>
> This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.
>
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Steve Barnes]

We have tried all we are doing repair installs (over the top) but that still 
has not been successful. And no safe mode works.

Thanks for your reply Jonathan just wanted other to know what we are seeing 
in-case they have the same issues. 

I know that this is a WISP forum not a PC repair forum.

Besides many on here literally despise Microsoft and I didn't want to start 
that debate.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

Can you get to Safe Mode and Command Prompt?  If so, you may be able to
restore to the previous configuration:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304449

Also, sometimes, you can use the restoration partition or Windows CD and
get to the option to "Repair" rather than wholesale reload and preserve
the file system and installed applications...and, even the desktop.

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to
our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or
safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their
computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer
work.  Since we supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found
no fix but a windows reload.

This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.


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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Can you get to Safe Mode and Command Prompt?  If so, you may be able to
restore to the previous configuration:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304449

Also, sometimes, you can use the restoration partition or Windows CD and
get to the option to "Repair" rather than wholesale reload and preserve
the file system and installed applications...and, even the desktop.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to
our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or
safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their
computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer
work.  Since we supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found
no fix but a windows reload.

This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.


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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Paul Gerstenberger]

I have public IPs, the 10.0.4.0 network is my OSPF backbone network. I'm not 
trying to go out with those addresses. What I've put down as yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 
signifies my new public IPs.

I'm using one of the new public IPs right now, but I had to attach it to the 
riverstone (which holds the default gateway to our ISP).

-Paul

On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

> NAT.  your 10.x is privates, you may need to nat them out. 
> 
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
> MTCTCE, MTCUME 
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:56 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
> 
> I have the new network permitted in my ingress and egress ACLs for our
> outbound interface. I've also tried using a smaller subnet of IPs from a
> different pool that we've been using for years. And I briefly disabled
> the ACLs altogether to test.
> 
> And when I attach this network direct to the riverstone, everything
> works. That's why I though it was an internal routing misconfiguration.
> 
> -Paul
> 
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Data Technology wrote:
> 
>> Could it be a firewall rule?
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>>> Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on
> the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone:
>>> 
>>> ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3
>>> 
>>> and this in the mikrotik:
>>> 
>>> ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1  (pretty
> sure, I did it from WinBox)
>>> 
>>> Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but
> I time out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics
> from an external network.
>>> 
>>> MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1
>>> traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
>>> 1  yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1)  0.673 ms  0.132 ms  0.165 ms
>>> 2  10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1)  0.406 ms  0.365 ms  0.358 ms
>>> 3  * * *
>>> 
>>> -Paul
>>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
 
> There are a number of blackhole routes  and ACL lines for
> unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill.
> 
> I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with
> some of these IPs.
> 
> [ad...@mikrotik] > /routing ospf export
> # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5
> # software id = -
> #
> /routing ospf instance
> set default comment="" disabled=no distribute-default=never
> in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \
>  metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto
> metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \
>  name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no
> redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \
>  redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no
> redistribute-static=no router-id=10.0.4.3
> /routing ospf area
> set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment="" disabled=no
> instance=default name=backbone type=default
> /routing ospf interface
> add authentication=none authentication-key=""
> authentication-key-id=1 comment="" cost=10 \
>  dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0
> interface=ether1-gateway \
>  network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1
> retransmit-interval=5s transmit-delay=1s \
>  use-bfd=no
> /routing ospf network
> add area=backbone comment="" disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27
> 
> 
> 
> Here are the relevant routes:
> 
> RS-1# ip show routes   
> 
> Destination  Gateway  Owner Netif
> ---  ---  - -
> default  ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25   StaticHREC-EIA 
> 10.0.4.0/27  directly connected   - WISP-201 
> YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE  WISP-201
> 
> XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected   - HREC-EIA 
> 
> [ad...@mikrotik] > ip route print
> 
> Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic, 
> C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme, 
> B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit
> 
> #  DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAY
> DISTANCE
> 0 ADo  0.0.0.0/0  -10.0.4.1   110
> 
> 2 ADC  10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0
> 
> 30 ADC  yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24  zzz.zzz.zzz.1  ether2-local
> 0   
> 44 ADo  xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30  -10.0.4.1   110
> 
> 
> -Paul
> 
>>>

[WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Steve Barnes]

For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to our 
repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or safe 
mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their computers did a 
windows update yesterday and after that they no longer work.  Since we supply 
the internet it must be our fault.  We have found no fix but a windows reload.

This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.


Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service



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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Dennis Burgess]

NAT.  your 10.x is privates, you may need to nat them out. 

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

I have the new network permitted in my ingress and egress ACLs for our
outbound interface. I've also tried using a smaller subnet of IPs from a
different pool that we've been using for years. And I briefly disabled
the ACLs altogether to test.

And when I attach this network direct to the riverstone, everything
works. That's why I though it was an internal routing misconfiguration.

-Paul

On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Data Technology wrote:

> Could it be a firewall rule?
> 
> 
> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>> Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on
the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone:
>> 
>>  ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3
>> 
>> and this in the mikrotik:
>> 
>>  ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1  (pretty
sure, I did it from WinBox)
>> 
>> Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but
I time out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics
from an external network.
>> 
>> MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1
>> traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
>> 1  yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1)  0.673 ms  0.132 ms  0.165 ms
>> 2  10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1)  0.406 ms  0.365 ms  0.358 ms
>> 3  * * *
>> 
>> -Paul
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>>> 
 There are a number of blackhole routes  and ACL lines for
unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill.
 
 I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with
some of these IPs.
 
 [ad...@mikrotik] > /routing ospf export
 # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5
 # software id = -
 #
 /routing ospf instance
 set default comment="" disabled=no distribute-default=never
in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \
   metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto
metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \
   name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no
redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \
   redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no
redistribute-static=no router-id=10.0.4.3
 /routing ospf area
 set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment="" disabled=no
instance=default name=backbone type=default
 /routing ospf interface
 add authentication=none authentication-key=""
authentication-key-id=1 comment="" cost=10 \
   dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0
interface=ether1-gateway \
   network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1
retransmit-interval=5s transmit-delay=1s \
   use-bfd=no
 /routing ospf network
 add area=backbone comment="" disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27
 
 
 
 Here are the relevant routes:
 
 RS-1# ip show routes   
 
 Destination  Gateway  Owner Netif
 ---  ---  - -
 default  ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25   StaticHREC-EIA 
 10.0.4.0/27  directly connected   - WISP-201 
 YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE  WISP-201

 XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected   - HREC-EIA 
 
 [ad...@mikrotik] > ip route print
 
 Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic, 
 C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme, 
 B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit
 
 #  DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAY
DISTANCE
 0 ADo  0.0.0.0/0  -10.0.4.1   110

 2 ADC  10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0

 30 ADC  yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24  zzz.zzz.zzz.1  ether2-local
0   
 44 ADo  xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30  -10.0.4.1   110

 
 -Paul
 
 
>>> Strange...everything looks right to me. Routing tables are as I
would 
>>> expect. You don't happen to have any ACL's being applied to the 
>>> interface that the Mikrotik is attached too? What happen if you 
>>> eliminate using OSPF for now and just setup the configuration using 
>>> static routes? Does it work then?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Paul Gerstenberger]

I have the new network permitted in my ingress and egress ACLs for our outbound 
interface. I've also tried using a smaller subnet of IPs from a different pool 
that we've been using for years. And I briefly disabled the ACLs altogether to 
test.

And when I attach this network direct to the riverstone, everything works. 
That's why I though it was an internal routing misconfiguration.

-Paul

On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Data Technology wrote:

> Could it be a firewall rule?
> 
> 
> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>> Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on the 
>> 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone:
>> 
>>  ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3
>> 
>> and this in the mikrotik:
>> 
>>  ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1  (pretty sure, I 
>> did it from WinBox)
>> 
>> Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but I time 
>> out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics from an 
>> external network.
>> 
>> MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1
>> traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
>> 1  yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1)  0.673 ms  0.132 ms  0.165 ms
>> 2  10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1)  0.406 ms  0.365 ms  0.358 ms
>> 3  * * *
>> 
>> -Paul
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>>> 
 There are a number of blackhole routes  and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, 
 that's why it's so long. Probably overkill.
 
 I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some 
 of these IPs.
 
 [ad...@mikrotik] > /routing ospf export
 # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5
 # software id = -
 #
 /routing ospf instance
 set default comment="" disabled=no distribute-default=never 
 in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \
   metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto 
 metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \
   name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no 
 redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \
   redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no 
 router-id=10.0.4.3
 /routing ospf area
 set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment="" disabled=no instance=default 
 name=backbone type=default
 /routing ospf interface
 add authentication=none authentication-key="" authentication-key-id=1 
 comment="" cost=10 \
   dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0 
 interface=ether1-gateway \
   network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s 
 transmit-delay=1s \
   use-bfd=no
 /routing ospf network
 add area=backbone comment="" disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27
 
 
 
 Here are the relevant routes:
 
 RS-1# ip show routes   
 
 Destination  Gateway  Owner Netif
 ---  ---  - -
 default  ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25   StaticHREC-EIA 
 10.0.4.0/27  directly connected   - WISP-201 
 YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE  WISP-201 
 XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected   - HREC-EIA 
 
 [ad...@mikrotik] > ip route print
 
 Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic, 
 C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme, 
 B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit
 
 #  DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAYDISTANCE
 0 ADo  0.0.0.0/0  -10.0.4.1   110 
 2 ADC  10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0   
 30 ADC  yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24  zzz.zzz.zzz.1  ether2-local   0  
  
 44 ADo  xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30  -10.0.4.1   110 
 
 -Paul
 
 
>>> Strange...everything looks right to me. Routing tables are as I would 
>>> expect. You don't happen to have any ACL's being applied to the 
>>> interface that the Mikrotik is attached too? What happen if you 
>>> eliminate using OSPF for now and just setup the configuration using 
>>> static routes? Does it work then?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Data Technology]

Could it be a firewall rule?


Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
> Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on the 
> 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone:
>
>   ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3
>
> and this in the mikrotik:
>
>   ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1  (pretty sure, I 
> did it from WinBox)
>
> Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but I time 
> out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics from an 
> external network.
>
> MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1
> traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
>  1  yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1)  0.673 ms  0.132 ms  0.165 ms
>  2  10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1)  0.406 ms  0.365 ms  0.358 ms
>  3  * * *
>
> -Paul
>
> On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>
>   
>> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>> 
>>> There are a number of blackhole routes  and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, 
>>> that's why it's so long. Probably overkill.
>>>
>>> I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of 
>>> these IPs.
>>>
>>> [ad...@mikrotik] > /routing ospf export
>>> # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5
>>> # software id = -
>>> #
>>> /routing ospf instance
>>> set default comment="" disabled=no distribute-default=never 
>>> in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \
>>>metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto 
>>> metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \
>>>name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no 
>>> redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \
>>>redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no 
>>> router-id=10.0.4.3
>>> /routing ospf area
>>> set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment="" disabled=no instance=default 
>>> name=backbone type=default
>>> /routing ospf interface
>>> add authentication=none authentication-key="" authentication-key-id=1 
>>> comment="" cost=10 \
>>>dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0 
>>> interface=ether1-gateway \
>>>network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s 
>>> transmit-delay=1s \
>>>use-bfd=no
>>> /routing ospf network
>>> add area=backbone comment="" disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are the relevant routes:
>>>
>>> RS-1# ip show routes   
>>>
>>> Destination  Gateway  Owner Netif
>>> ---  ---  - -
>>> default  ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25   StaticHREC-EIA 
>>> 10.0.4.0/27  directly connected   - WISP-201 
>>> YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE  WISP-201 
>>> XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected   - HREC-EIA 
>>>
>>> [ad...@mikrotik] > ip route print
>>>
>>> Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic, 
>>> C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme, 
>>> B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit
>>>
>>> #  DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAYDISTANCE
>>> 0 ADo  0.0.0.0/0  -10.0.4.1   110 
>>> 2 ADC  10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0   
>>> 30 ADC  yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24  zzz.zzz.zzz.1  ether2-local   0   
>>> 44 ADo  xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30  -10.0.4.1   110 
>>>
>>> -Paul
>>>
>>>   
>> Strange...everything looks right to me. Routing tables are as I would 
>> expect. You don't happen to have any ACL's being applied to the 
>> interface that the Mikrotik is attached too? What happen if you 
>> eliminate using OSPF for now and just setup the configuration using 
>> static routes? Does it work then?
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Paul Gerstenberger]

Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on the 10.0.4.0 
network) put this route in the riverstone:

ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3

and this in the mikrotik:

ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1  (pretty sure, I 
did it from WinBox)

Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but I time out 
when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics from an external 
network.

MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1
traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1)  0.673 ms  0.132 ms  0.165 ms
 2  10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1)  0.406 ms  0.365 ms  0.358 ms
 3  * * *

-Paul

On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote:

> Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
>> There are a number of blackhole routes  and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, 
>> that's why it's so long. Probably overkill.
>> 
>> I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of 
>> these IPs.
>> 
>> [ad...@mikrotik] > /routing ospf export
>> # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5
>> # software id = -
>> #
>> /routing ospf instance
>> set default comment="" disabled=no distribute-default=never 
>> in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \
>>metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto metric-rip=20 
>> metric-static=20 \
>>name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no 
>> redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \
>>redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no 
>> router-id=10.0.4.3
>> /routing ospf area
>> set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment="" disabled=no instance=default 
>> name=backbone type=default
>> /routing ospf interface
>> add authentication=none authentication-key="" authentication-key-id=1 
>> comment="" cost=10 \
>>dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0 
>> interface=ether1-gateway \
>>network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s 
>> transmit-delay=1s \
>>use-bfd=no
>> /routing ospf network
>> add area=backbone comment="" disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Here are the relevant routes:
>> 
>> RS-1# ip show routes   
>> 
>> Destination  Gateway  Owner Netif
>> ---  ---  - -
>> default  ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25   StaticHREC-EIA 
>> 10.0.4.0/27  directly connected   - WISP-201 
>> YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE  WISP-201 
>> XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected   - HREC-EIA 
>> 
>> [ad...@mikrotik] > ip route print
>> 
>> Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic, 
>> C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme, 
>> B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit
>> 
>> #  DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAYDISTANCE
>> 0 ADo  0.0.0.0/0  -10.0.4.1   110 
>> 2 ADC  10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0   
>> 30 ADC  yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24  zzz.zzz.zzz.1  ether2-local   0   
>> 44 ADo  xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30  -10.0.4.1   110 
>> 
>> -Paul
>> 
> Strange...everything looks right to me. Routing tables are as I would 
> expect. You don't happen to have any ACL's being applied to the 
> interface that the Mikrotik is attached too? What happen if you 
> eliminate using OSPF for now and just setup the configuration using 
> static routes? Does it work then?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: isGoogle our next competitor?

[Robert West]

There was a pun?

I missed it.


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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: isGoogle
our next competitor?

Was that pun intended?

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Robert West
wrote:

> The TISP is a good idea but in reality their service is sh*t.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:51 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS:
> isGoogle
> our next competitor?
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> It was a funny April Fools joke 3 years ago too :)
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Philip Dorr
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:14 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS:
> isGoogle our next competitor?
>
> That is almost 3 years old, and I still have not received my
> installation kit.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Glenn Kelley 
> wrote:
> > It is official
> >
> > Google has already started !
> >
> > As shown on the official Google TISP website:
> >
> >
> >
> > Sick of paying for broadband that you have to, well, pay for?
> >
> > Introducing Google TiSP (BETA), our new FREE in-home wireless
> > broadband service. Sign up today and we'll send you your TiSP self-
> > installation kit, which includes setup guide, fiber-optic cable,
> > spindle, wireless router and installation CD.
> >
> >
> > http://www.google.com/tisp/
> >
> > One thing I will say - they sure have a sense of humor !
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[WISPA] Broadband Breakfast Club video now posted

[Brian Webster]

Just wanted to let you know that the video from the Broadband Breakfast club
where I participated on the panel has been posted. The topic was collecting
and using data. There were two FCC staffers in attendance as well as one
former FCC economist. It was an excellent discussion and the keynote speaker
had some very surprising statements that indicate there should be a good
change in how the FCC operates.

http://broadbandbreakfast.com/2010/02/broadband-breakfast-club-on-collecting
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Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: isGoogle our next competitor?

[Josh Luthman]

Was that pun intended?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
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that counts.”
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Robert West wrote:

> The TISP is a good idea but in reality their service is sh*t.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:51 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS:
> isGoogle
> our next competitor?
>
> It was a funny April Fools joke 3 years ago too :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Philip Dorr
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:14 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS:
> isGoogle our next competitor?
>
> That is almost 3 years old, and I still have not received my
> installation kit.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Glenn Kelley 
> wrote:
> > It is official
> >
> > Google has already started !
> >
> > As shown on the official Google TISP website:
> >
> >
> >
> > Sick of paying for broadband that you have to, well, pay for?
> >
> > Introducing Google TiSP (BETA), our new FREE in-home wireless
> > broadband service. Sign up today and we'll send you your TiSP self-
> > installation kit, which includes setup guide, fiber-optic cable,
> > spindle, wireless router and installation CD.
> >
> >
> > http://www.google.com/tisp/
> >
> > One thing I will say - they sure have a sense of humor !
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: isGoogle our next competitor?

[Robert West]

The TISP is a good idea but in reality their service is sh*t.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: isGoogle
our next competitor?

It was a funny April Fools joke 3 years ago too :)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS:
isGoogle our next competitor?

That is almost 3 years old, and I still have not received my
installation kit.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Glenn Kelley 
wrote:
> It is official
>
> Google has already started !
>
> As shown on the official Google TISP website:
>
>
>
> Sick of paying for broadband that you have to, well, pay for?
>
> Introducing Google TiSP (BETA), our new FREE in-home wireless
> broadband service. Sign up today and we'll send you your TiSP self-
> installation kit, which includes setup guide, fiber-optic cable,
> spindle, wireless router and installation CD.
>
>
> http://www.google.com/tisp/
>
> One thing I will say - they sure have a sense of humor !
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: isGoogle our next competitor?

[Andy Trimmell]

It was a funny April Fools joke 3 years ago too :)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS:
isGoogle our next competitor?

That is almost 3 years old, and I still have not received my
installation kit.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Glenn Kelley 
wrote:
> It is official
>
> Google has already started !
>
> As shown on the official Google TISP website:
>
>
>
> Sick of paying for broadband that you have to, well, pay for?
>
> Introducing Google TiSP (BETA), our new FREE in-home wireless
> broadband service. Sign up today and we'll send you your TiSP self-
> installation kit, which includes setup guide, fiber-optic cable,
> spindle, wireless router and installation CD.
>
>
> http://www.google.com/tisp/
>
> One thing I will say - they sure have a sense of humor !
>
>
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[WISPA] Wiki Documents

[Mike Hammett]

I ask other members to contribute documents to the WISPA Wiki.

In particular, I am now searching for a business\government level contract.  
However, more documents of all kinds are needed.  I don't have any, otherwise 
I'd contribute what I have.


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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: (PR) New Lanner Enterprise-Class Net work Appliance Maximizes Ethernet Port Density and Netwo rk Bandwidth by Utilizing the Intel® Xeon® Pro cessor C5500 Series and Intel® 3420 Chipse

[Brad Belton]

That is pretty cool!  Wonder what the price is?  Wonder if you can load MT on 
itlol

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:44 AM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: (PR) New Lanner Enterprise-Class Network Appliance 
Maximizes Ethernet Port Density and Network Bandwidth by Utilizing the Intel® 
Xeon® Processor C5500 Series and Intel® 3420 Chipset


I want this as my router
Sent from my Motorola Startac...


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Lanner Marketing" 
> Date: February 11, 2010 4:20:48 AM GMT-04:00
> To: g...@aeronetpr.com
> Subject: (PR) New Lanner Enterprise-Class Network Appliance  
> Maximizes Ethernet Port Density and Network Bandwidth by Utilizing  
> the Intel® Xeon® Processor C5500 Series and Intel® 3420 Chipset
>

> For Release: 02/11/10 4:01pm
> Press Contact
> Name: James Mainland
> TEL: +886-2-86926060
> FAX: +886-2-86926101
>
> New Lanner Enterprise-Class Network Appliance Maximizes Ethernet  
> Port Density and Network Bandwidth by Utilizing the Intel® Xeon® Pro 
> cessor C5500 Series and
> Intel® 3420 Chipset
> (Taipei, Taiwan – February 11th, 2010 4:01p.m.) Lanner Electronics,  
> Inc., a leading designer and ODM manufacturer of intelligent platfor 
> ms for network communications, today announced the FW-8910, a new 2U 
>  rackmount dual CPU appliance built around two Intel® Xeon® C5500 pr 
> ocessors and supporting up to 40GbE ports.
>
> The Lanner FW-8910 targets the performance segment of the network  
> security, NAC, WAN Acceleration and ADC markets, and offers the  
> latest cutting edge features of Intel’s most advanced processor, suc 
> h as integrated memory controller, integrated PCI-Express Gen2 contr 
> oller and Intel® Quick Path Interconnect technology.
>
> "As a member of the Intel® Embedded Alliance, Lanner strives to lead 
>  the industry in developing the most advanced hardware platforms on  
> the latest Intel technologies such as the Intel Xeon processor C5500 
>  series and Intel 3420 chipset," said Jesse Chiang, Product Planner, 
>  Lanner Network Communications. "Network security and acceleration s 
> olutions demand the highest levels of performance for enterprise-cla 
> ss networks, and performance is what the Lanner FW-8910 delivers."
>
> “The new Intel® Xeon® Processor C5500 Series feature multi-core  
> and multi-threaded processing, allowing for vast improvements in net 
> work packet processing efficiency,” said Frank Schapfel, director of 
>  marketing, Intel Performance Products Division. “Directly connectin 
> g GbE and 10GbE MACs to the integrated PCI-Express controller allows 
>  Network appliance manufacturers such as Lanner, to easily add sophi 
> sticated network connectivity.”
>
>
> A 2U rack mount platform, the FW-8910 includes up to five customized  
> Ethernet modules for a combination of up to 40 LAN ports combining  
> GbE copper, fiber and bypass port options. Furthermore, The FW-8910  
> supports multiple 10Gbps cards, either fiber or 10G Base-T copper.  
> Twelve DIMM sockets support up to 96GB DDR3 memory, and four 2.5” ha 
> rd drives allows for RAID based data protection. High availability f 
> eatures include optional RAID, swappable system fans and redundant 5 
> 00W power supplies. An optional onboard Cavium Nitrox CN1620 securit 
> y processor offloads high-level security commands to dramatically in 
> crease total system throughput.
>
> Lanner’s unique modular design allows for easy replacement of front- 
> facing network port modules, hot-swappable hard drives, rear-accessi 
> ble fan assemblies and power supply units. Lanner also provides comp 
> lete customization and chassis design services to enhance the custom 
> er’s brand image.
>
> Additionally, the  features a front LCM panel, 1GbE management port,  
> dual USB, console port and IPMI 2.0 port for lights out management  
> (LOM). First introduced in 2008, the LOM interface has quickly  
> become a standard feature of our enterprise appliances, enhancing  
> the platform’s usability in field applications.
>
>
> Lanner will be displaying the FW-8910 at the RSA conference, taking  
> place from March 1 – 4, at the Moscone Center in San Francisco, Cali 
> fornia, booth #857.
>
> The FW-8910 is available this quarter for sample orders.  For more  
> information or to request a sample, contact a Lanner representative  
> at sa...@lannerinc.com.
>
> Visit us on the web at: http://www.lannerinc.com/5500/FW-8910
>
> 
> About Lanner
> Founded in 1986 and publicly listed (TAIEX 6245) since 2003, Lanner  
> Electronics, Inc. is an ISO 9001 certified designer and manufacturer  
> of network application platforms, network video platforms and  
> applied computing hardware for first-tier companies. Lanner's  
> expertise also extends to include driver and firmware support,  
> enabling customers to optimize h

Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

[Bret Clark]

Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
> There are a number of blackhole routes  and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, 
> that's why it's so long. Probably overkill.
>
> I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of 
> these IPs.
>
> [ad...@mikrotik] > /routing ospf export
> # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5
> # software id = -
> #
> /routing ospf instance
> set default comment="" disabled=no distribute-default=never in-filter=ospf-in 
> metric-bgp=20 \
> metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto metric-rip=20 
> metric-static=20 \
> name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no 
> redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \
> redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no 
> router-id=10.0.4.3
> /routing ospf area
> set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment="" disabled=no instance=default 
> name=backbone type=default
> /routing ospf interface
> add authentication=none authentication-key="" authentication-key-id=1 
> comment="" cost=10 \
> dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0 
> interface=ether1-gateway \
> network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s 
> transmit-delay=1s \
> use-bfd=no
> /routing ospf network
> add area=backbone comment="" disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27
>
>
>
> Here are the relevant routes:
>
> RS-1# ip show routes   
>
> Destination  Gateway  Owner Netif
> ---  ---  - -
> default  ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25   StaticHREC-EIA 
> 10.0.4.0/27  directly connected   - WISP-201 
> YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE  WISP-201 
> XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected   - HREC-EIA 
>
> [ad...@mikrotik] > ip route print
>
> Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic, 
> C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme, 
> B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit
>
>  #  DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAYDISTANCE
>  0 ADo  0.0.0.0/0  -10.0.4.1   110 
>  2 ADC  10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0   
> 30 ADC  yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24  zzz.zzz.zzz.1  ether2-local   0   
> 44 ADo  xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30  -10.0.4.1   110 
>
> -Paul
>   
Strange...everything looks right to me. Routing tables are as I would 
expect. You don't happen to have any ACL's being applied to the 
interface that the Mikrotik is attached too? What happen if you 
eliminate using OSPF for now and just setup the configuration using 
static routes? Does it work then?



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[WISPA] Fwd: (PR) New Lanner Enterprise-Class Net work Appliance Maximizes Ethernet Port Density and Netwo rk Bandwidth by Utilizing the Intel® Xeon® Pro cessor C5500 Series and Intel® 3420 Chipset

[Gino Villarini]

I want this as my router
Sent from my Motorola Startac...


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Lanner Marketing" 
> Date: February 11, 2010 4:20:48 AM GMT-04:00
> To: g...@aeronetpr.com
> Subject: (PR) New Lanner Enterprise-Class Network Appliance  
> Maximizes Ethernet Port Density and Network Bandwidth by Utilizing  
> the Intel® Xeon® Processor C5500 Series and Intel® 3420 Chipset
>

> For Release: 02/11/10 4:01pm
> Press Contact
> Name: James Mainland
> TEL: +886-2-86926060
> FAX: +886-2-86926101
>
> New Lanner Enterprise-Class Network Appliance Maximizes Ethernet  
> Port Density and Network Bandwidth by Utilizing the Intel® Xeon® Pro 
> cessor C5500 Series and
> Intel® 3420 Chipset
> (Taipei, Taiwan – February 11th, 2010 4:01p.m.) Lanner Electronics,  
> Inc., a leading designer and ODM manufacturer of intelligent platfor 
> ms for network communications, today announced the FW-8910, a new 2U 
>  rackmount dual CPU appliance built around two Intel® Xeon® C5500 pr 
> ocessors and supporting up to 40GbE ports.
>
> The Lanner FW-8910 targets the performance segment of the network  
> security, NAC, WAN Acceleration and ADC markets, and offers the  
> latest cutting edge features of Intel’s most advanced processor, suc 
> h as integrated memory controller, integrated PCI-Express Gen2 contr 
> oller and Intel® Quick Path Interconnect technology.
>
> "As a member of the Intel® Embedded Alliance, Lanner strives to lead 
>  the industry in developing the most advanced hardware platforms on  
> the latest Intel technologies such as the Intel Xeon processor C5500 
>  series and Intel 3420 chipset," said Jesse Chiang, Product Planner, 
>  Lanner Network Communications. "Network security and acceleration s 
> olutions demand the highest levels of performance for enterprise-cla 
> ss networks, and performance is what the Lanner FW-8910 delivers."
>
> “The new Intel® Xeon® Processor C5500 Series feature multi-core  
> and multi-threaded processing, allowing for vast improvements in net 
> work packet processing efficiency,” said Frank Schapfel, director of 
>  marketing, Intel Performance Products Division. “Directly connectin 
> g GbE and 10GbE MACs to the integrated PCI-Express controller allows 
>  Network appliance manufacturers such as Lanner, to easily add sophi 
> sticated network connectivity.”
>
>
> A 2U rack mount platform, the FW-8910 includes up to five customized  
> Ethernet modules for a combination of up to 40 LAN ports combining  
> GbE copper, fiber and bypass port options. Furthermore, The FW-8910  
> supports multiple 10Gbps cards, either fiber or 10G Base-T copper.  
> Twelve DIMM sockets support up to 96GB DDR3 memory, and four 2.5” ha 
> rd drives allows for RAID based data protection. High availability f 
> eatures include optional RAID, swappable system fans and redundant 5 
> 00W power supplies. An optional onboard Cavium Nitrox CN1620 securit 
> y processor offloads high-level security commands to dramatically in 
> crease total system throughput.
>
> Lanner’s unique modular design allows for easy replacement of front- 
> facing network port modules, hot-swappable hard drives, rear-accessi 
> ble fan assemblies and power supply units. Lanner also provides comp 
> lete customization and chassis design services to enhance the custom 
> er’s brand image.
>
> Additionally, the  features a front LCM panel, 1GbE management port,  
> dual USB, console port and IPMI 2.0 port for lights out management  
> (LOM). First introduced in 2008, the LOM interface has quickly  
> become a standard feature of our enterprise appliances, enhancing  
> the platform’s usability in field applications.
>
>
> Lanner will be displaying the FW-8910 at the RSA conference, taking  
> place from March 1 – 4, at the Moscone Center in San Francisco, Cali 
> fornia, booth #857.
>
> The FW-8910 is available this quarter for sample orders.  For more  
> information or to request a sample, contact a Lanner representative  
> at sa...@lannerinc.com.
>
> Visit us on the web at: http://www.lannerinc.com/5500/FW-8910
>
> 
> About Lanner
> Founded in 1986 and publicly listed (TAIEX 6245) since 2003, Lanner  
> Electronics, Inc. is an ISO 9001 certified designer and manufacturer  
> of network application platforms, network video platforms and  
> applied computing hardware for first-tier companies. Lanner's  
> expertise also extends to include driver and firmware support,  
> enabling customers to optimize hardware and software communication  
> to achieve faster time to market. With headquarters in Taipei,  
> Taiwan and branches in the U.S. and China, Lanner is uniquely  
> positioned to deliver custom technical solutions with localized,  
> value-added service. Lanner is an Associate Member of the Intel® Emb 
> edded Alliance, a group of companies committed to developing modular 
> , standards-based solutions based on technologies, processors, produ 
> cts, and services from Intel®.
>
> Intel and Xeon are trademarks

[WISPA] Advertising material

[Kevin Sullivan]

We're working on a new ad campign for the new locations that we can now hit 
that we couldn't before, thanks to several new tower sites. Does anyone have 
any good direct mail material? I hate the stuff we've been using, but I'm 
having trouble coming up with anything better. 
  BTW -- has anyone tried local Dish Network advertising before? I have no idea 
if they would even have that local of a programming list, but it would be a 
good fit to advertise on...

Kevin Sullivan
Alyrica Networks, Inc.



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